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Bernie Sanders: Here's why Americans don't feel good about the economy: (Original Post) Playinghardball Nov 2014 OP
President Bernie aspirant Nov 2014 #1
Bernie needs to sponsor a bill in the Senate for an increase in the minimum wage, this should be a Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #2
Hate to burst your bubble but he has. You can look them up. Autumn Nov 2014 #10
LOL BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #11
Did Hillary ever sponsor one in her time in the Senate? I don't remember, Bernie sure has Autumn Nov 2014 #13
I'm not sure BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #15
Yes she did in 2006 and tried to tie it to salary increases in Congress. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #17
Did it pass in the Senate and House? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #12
You said "Bernie needs to sponsor a bill in the Senate" He has Autumn Nov 2014 #14
Yes, she has and wanted it tied to Congressional lay raises. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #18
Funny how no one talks about the elephant in the room fasttense Nov 2014 #22
Did you miss this story? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #39
People look at their paychecks . . . Brigid Nov 2014 #3
With GOP In Control U Will Get - Lower Taxes On Rich/Higher Taxes On Rest/Shredded Safety Net. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2014 #4
You mean no TPP? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #6
Yes that too. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #38
K&R. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #5
K&R cantbeserious Nov 2014 #7
Rick Scott yelled that "Job Creation" crap all through the race for Governor. BlueJazz Nov 2014 #8
Exactly. A part time minimum wage job may "count" for a politician, but it does nothing for people Wella Nov 2014 #16
It just shows you the massive brain washing that has been going on for 34 years . I remember life geretogo Dec 2014 #45
It's more than a feeling . We are living in the after math of 34 years of Reagenomic ,Thathernomic, geretogo Nov 2014 #9
YES Maineman Nov 2014 #19
Plus one a whole bunch. "civilization destroying policies" Enthusiast Nov 2014 #23
To say the least . geretogo Dec 2014 #44
We need more than jobs. We need broad ownership of wealth producing assets. Maineman Nov 2014 #20
You're free to open up a brokerage account and buy stocks and bonds taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #41
Even Still,, Cryptoad Nov 2014 #21
Interesting. Net compensation, 2013: Median: $28,031, Average: $43,041 progree Nov 2014 #24
Looking forward to Sanders sponsoring a bill to fix it and convincing the senate to pass it... stevenleser Nov 2014 #25
Come off of it. Our President didn't do anything in the Senate but ride Lugar's coattails TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #26
Nope. If he is going to complain and imply he could do it better, let's see him lead. stevenleser Nov 2014 #28
Yep, Obama and Clinton as Senators claimed to be able to do better and hadn't done shit. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #31
I've been told Bernie should lead by sponsoring bills and passing them. Autumn Dec 2014 #37
Congress considered a bill to raise the minimum wage which would raise all wages at least JDPriestly Dec 2014 #40
One Bill is not going to fix the economy One_Life_To_Give Dec 2014 #43
The "middle class jobs" train left the station 30 years ago. cheapdate Nov 2014 #27
Well that is obvious but what has the Democratic party done in the last doc03 Nov 2014 #29
also war, and war , and more war, demigoddess Nov 2014 #30
K&R liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #32
I would love to see Bernie santroy79 Dec 2014 #33
+9000000000000000000000 dotymed Dec 2014 #35
Professor Richard Wolff has always maintained that we are not in recovery no_hypocrisy Dec 2014 #34
He already has my vote. Javaman Dec 2014 #36
Don't forget our crippling debt. nt clarice Dec 2014 #42
I love Bernie, but I wish we would stop using the term "middle class". Avalux Dec 2014 #46

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Bernie needs to sponsor a bill in the Senate for an increase in the minimum wage, this should be a
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:36 PM
Nov 2014

Starter. Next he needs to contact other members to get the necessary votes to pass the bill and do the leg work to get the House on board with the increase. Those who are taking the minimum wage jobs knows there us not enough. It is time for Congress to step up and do some work.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
15. I'm not sure
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 05:09 PM
Nov 2014

But I think it's funny when people blast Senator Sanders, of all people, for not fighting for the working class.

Autumn

(45,079 posts)
14. You said "Bernie needs to sponsor a bill in the Senate" He has
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 04:59 PM
Nov 2014
Just so you know, the republicans blocked them. Did Hillary sponsor any?

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
22. Funny how no one talks about the elephant in the room
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 08:32 PM
Nov 2014

Yes a half decent minimum wage would help a little. But good paying jobs would be better. So since corporations won't provide those jobs then the government should. The government should be hiring at high wages to make up for the failures of capitalism. Just like the government was the lender of last resort to save the banksters so they should be the employer of last resort to save the American middle class.

Funny how no one dare introduce a bill like that.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
39. Did you miss this story?
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 01:51 PM
Dec 2014

The Senate voted on Wednesday against going ahead on a bill that would gradually increase the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $10.10 an hour, another rejection for legislation that has been a major focus of the Democrats' 2014 midterm campaign.

The final vote count was 54 to 42, with Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), who supports the legislation, taking the procedural step of voting against the bill so that he can reintroduce it at a later time.

In a news conference following the vote, top Democrats vowed to reintroduce the bill this year.

"Soon," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer, (D-N.Y.), as he ducked into an elevator following the vote. "Sometime soon."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/30/senate-republicans-block-minimum-wage-increase-bill/

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
4. With GOP In Control U Will Get - Lower Taxes On Rich/Higher Taxes On Rest/Shredded Safety Net.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 03:13 PM
Nov 2014

And even lower wages. They support the Reaganomic trickle down business model. Obama cannot change that by themselves. And we must change our trade policies.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
8. Rick Scott yelled that "Job Creation" crap all through the race for Governor.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 04:17 PM
Nov 2014

I got into MANY arguments with the right-wingers down here about "Jobs" does not equal "make a living"

Some of them wanted to actually hit me. I'm not kidding.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
16. Exactly. A part time minimum wage job may "count" for a politician, but it does nothing for people
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 05:11 PM
Nov 2014

I've really had it with their disingenuousness on this matter.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
45. It just shows you the massive brain washing that has been going on for 34 years . I remember life
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:56 PM
Dec 2014

before Reagen . The Right wing owns and controls radio , TV , magazines , news papers and then they
tell you you should hate government and the " Liberal Media " and then put all your trust in Ayn Rand and
a hand full of Oligarchs to govern you . They are modern pied pipers leading the the sheep over the cliff .

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
9. It's more than a feeling . We are living in the after math of 34 years of Reagenomic ,Thathernomic,
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 04:27 PM
Nov 2014

and Ayn Randian completely insane and civilization destroying policies that will continue until there are
millions in the streets threatening to bring the corrupt system down if there is no repudiation of these policies .

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
23. Plus one a whole bunch. "civilization destroying policies"
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 08:46 PM
Nov 2014

Republican policies completely neglect the General Welfare of the American people.

Maineman

(854 posts)
20. We need more than jobs. We need broad ownership of wealth producing assets.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 05:34 PM
Nov 2014

For several years now, many new businesses have made a small number of people very rich (Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and many others (you know many of them). Most are internet based and require relatively few workers. The only way to deal with this new paradigm is for many people to become part owners. Of course, many have no way of buying stock, so there needs to be a mechanism for creating broad ownership, probably government based processes and programs. Ownership that produces dividend payments would be good. Currently all the money in the economy is going to a few at the top. That needs to change. THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE!

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
41. You're free to open up a brokerage account and buy stocks and bonds
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:02 PM
Dec 2014

thereby owning equity shares of any public company in the United States. Many even have dividends too! Commissions are extremely low. However, it might take about an hour of your time or so, though.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
21. Even Still,,
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 05:56 PM
Nov 2014

the SSA says the Median yearly income of wage earners is $28 K for 2013. That is alot of poor working folks, but heh,,,, the Corps don't mind sharing some those record breaking profits with upper management executives.

progree

(10,907 posts)
24. Interesting. Net compensation, 2013: Median: $28,031, Average: $43,041
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:23 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:48 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/central.html

and the median to average ratio is falling -- an indicator of growing inequality.



It would be interesting to see the above adjusted for inflation.

This shows the actual distribution of net compensation (the top of it also defines what "net compensation" is -- it includes deferred compensation employer contributions, but doesn't include any benefits other than that, from what I can tell):

http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2013
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
25. Looking forward to Sanders sponsoring a bill to fix it and convincing the senate to pass it...
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:03 PM
Nov 2014

... through his leadership.

I like Bernie. I think he has the right take on the issues most of the time. I think he would bring something to the table in a Presidential run.

But this kind of attempt by him to offer some oblique criticism of the President doesn't work because as a sitting senator, it's just as much up to Bernie to try to fix it.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
26. Come off of it. Our President didn't do anything in the Senate but ride Lugar's coattails
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:28 PM
Nov 2014

on non proliferation and run for President. Clinton, about the same.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
28. Nope. If he is going to complain and imply he could do it better, let's see him lead.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:47 PM
Nov 2014

Being a senator is a powerful position. Let's see it.

Autumn

(45,079 posts)
37. I've been told Bernie should lead by sponsoring bills and passing them.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:11 AM
Dec 2014

Because it's up to him to fix ya know, stuff. Yeah I got a big kick out of that one. The democrats in the house and senate get a pass, a democratic president gets a pass. Yeah Bernie can't lead and has done nothing that shows he could president his way out of a paper bag. I haven't seen Fox in a decade but the tactic seems familiar. I often wonder where do they get this shit to pass around.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
40. Congress considered a bill to raise the minimum wage which would raise all wages at least
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 01:54 PM
Dec 2014

for the time being. Here is what happened.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/30/senate-republicans-block-minimum-wage-increase-bill/

Sanders does not need to introduce a bill. It was already introduced and defeated by Republicans. One Democratic senator was absent at the vote.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
43. One Bill is not going to fix the economy
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:18 PM
Dec 2014

There is no magic bullet that will fix the economy. Atleast not one less than 1000 pages and then you don't want to know what the lobbyists would hide in there. Providing several million $30/hr + benefit jobs is not going to happen without change in multiple area's. From H1B/Immigration programs, education, code compliance, to Corporate culture and tax structure. Creating an environment favorable to the generation of such jobs will take alot of work. Too many parts of the current structure favor the status quo.

doc03

(35,332 posts)
29. Well that is obvious but what has the Democratic party done in the last
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:49 PM
Nov 2014

40 years to save middle class jobs? The Democratic party has totally abandoned its Union base and has done all it could to
eliminate manufacturing jobs.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
35. +9000000000000000000000
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:53 AM
Dec 2014

we the people would have to work our asses off. Maybe then we would see if elections count.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
46. I love Bernie, but I wish we would stop using the term "middle class".
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 07:00 PM
Dec 2014

It's an outworn term that really doesn't exist in the present economy. What does a middle class wage look like anyway?

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