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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs it now the norm
to test only the victim for drugs and not the shooter? If I
remember correctly Zimmerman was not tested either.
I have wondered whether in both cases this was omitted on purpose.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)Simply because you used a firearm in a (hopefully) defensive action. For police I would think so due to them being public servants. But a civilian?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and not the shooter, in the Zimmerman case? both of them were civilians. on edit: i see you are asking that same question.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)For a living person who is initially presumed to be innocent is obviously a different ballgame.
NutmegYankee
(16,204 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)in the case of Zimmerman, he wasn't arrested that night, there was no indication of any impairment, cops could have asked and Zimmerman would be well within his rights to refuse and there's nothing the cops can do about it.
To get a warrant for a drug/alcohol test, cops would need probable cause to force a test.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Whites not so much.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)Now that is a stretch.
I've never heard that before. The only stereotyping I've seen is the drug of choice, and route of administration.
Drugs are a universal vice....
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Those rose colored glasses must keep you very happy. Maybe I'll try a pair!
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)the majority of drug arrests are overwhelming of black people. it seems we have new contingent.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)Because I disagree that drug abuse is exclusively a black stereotype, I am disqualified from all stereotype discussion?
Breaking Bad was a whole series based on a stereotype.
Pharmaceutical abuse is generally viewed as a suburbia problem.
Powdered cocaine is associated with guys in suits in the office bathroom doing a line.....
Club drugs are seen as a teenage asian/white suburban issue...
Am I off? I have been known to be wrong.....what am I missing?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)What the masses perceive are drug crazed black gang members rampaging through their law abiding neighborhoods. Only the holy cops can protect them from certain disaster. Maybe I exaggerate, but not by much.
malaise
(269,278 posts)for a few hours
heaven05
(18,124 posts)a normal stereotype for black males, young black males especially. Has been for decades now.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)however, in the case where the shooting ends in a death, the deceased normally has a toxicology report done which includes, but is not restricted to, drugs and alcohol as part of the autopsy.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)a damn deer while driving a company truck. You'd think they would drug test a cop after shooting someone.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)Darren Wilson Toxicology Report: http://ksdk-download.edgesuite.net/data-files/reports/Darren%20Wilson%20Toxicology%20Report.pdf
They only tested for cocaine, amphetamines, marijuana, opiates and phencyclidine (PCP), not for steroids or the full panel that Michael Brown's body was tested for.
Michael Brown Autopsy Toxicology Report: http://ksdk-download.edgesuite.net/data-files/reports/2014-5143%20Toxicology%20Report.pdf
Scuba
(53,475 posts)k2qb3
(374 posts)I doubt steroids were the issue.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Or are you just trying to defend a killer even if you have to just make shit up?
BobbyBoring
(1,965 posts)In my 40+ yrs. of THC that would be detected, I've never been impaired to the point of charging a cop with his gun drawn believing he was too much of a pussy to shoot me!
world wide wally
(21,760 posts)Apparently there is no rule #2
NutmegYankee
(16,204 posts)Sometimes they are found to have contributed to a death. I remember the case of a young woman who fell from a balcony and died - tests showed she had been given a date rape drug, and that caused her to get disoriented and sick to the stomach and fall. Police then knew it was a case of manslaughter and found the guy who had spiked the drink.
In the case of a living person, normal Search rules apply and probable cause has to be demonstrated.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Oh look! He smoked pot at some time in the last six months according to his hair sample.
saintsebastian
(41 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 30, 2014, 07:35 PM - Edit history (1)
It's not so much the performing of toxicology tests on victims that gets people, like myself, riled up. It's what the pundits and, unfortunately, the media at large will do with the results of these toxicology tests that's disgraceful. They may try to drag out the old drug-crazed negro cliché. In this scenario the victim, in a crack-fueled rage, becomes 10 foot tall and impervious to bullets. The media may also try to use the victim's drug usage to paint a larger picture about the victim. "Well, he was no angel" -as though the punishment for drinking alcohol, smoking pot or even robbing a convenience store is public execution.
Both of these tactics were deployed, more or less, to justify the murder of Mike Brown.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)plus there wasn't any indication that he was impaired, cops certainly could have asked him to take a drug/alcohol test, but they couldn't force him to take one.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Killing an unarmed Black kid is not considered a likely crime in too many areas of country.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)aggression.