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Protesting the death of Michael Brown is not a political act, no matter what the pundits say. These are five men who dont want to die for being black. This is personal"
Before their Sunday NFL game against the Oakland Raiders, five players from the St Louis Rams walked onto the field, their hands raised in a now-familiar gesture of support Hands Up, Dont Shoot for Michael Brown, the 18-year-old who was killed by by the police officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson, Missouri, and whose grieving family was denied justice last week when a grand jury declined to prosecute Wilson.
Later that same evening, the St Louis Police Officers Association issued a statement denouncing the nonviolent act of protest as tasteless and inflammatory. The cops called for the players involved to be disciplined, they demanded an apology, and they seemingly took particular offense to the players unwillingness to accept that the grand jurys decision not to indict Brown means that justice was somehow served.
The next day, conservative pundits framed the players act as political and the very word, political, was an accusation. "
But protesting the death of Michael Brown was not a political act at least, not in the way it is being framed by political pundits. It was the act of black men who are or may someday parent black children. They are men with significant others and parents and siblings who also know the challenges of living and breathing while black. They are men who dont want to die for being black. They dont want their children to die for being black. I cannot think of a more personal act. "
*But those five football players may have offered us a glimpse of the way forward. They committed a personal act. They made a clear and concise statement that they would not stand, silently, in the face of injustice. They forced us all to look at the things from which we all too often choose to look away. They reminded us of the precarious nature of black life in America, and how that nature needs to change. "
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/03/st-louis-rams-ferguson-protesting-death-michael-brown
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Oh, they indicted Brown all right. It was Wilson they failed to indict.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Instead of the grown man with a gun.
Zen_fighter
(19 posts)My hope is this does encourage dialogue about race. However, their actions imply that Michael Brown was standing defense waiting to surrender to police. This just not appear to be true. Therefore, it concerns me that this drives a wedge between the two sides that are most passionate about the situation.... which are also the sides that really can work to remedy our racial divide.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)He was trying to surrender. That is what all the fuss is about.
Zen_fighter
(19 posts)Granted I was not there. I read many of the grand jury testimony documents and I do not get the impression that he had his hands up and was surrendering. There were certainly people that made that claim as well as claims that he was shot in the back. This illustrates my point perfectly, the discussion that we are having is about our interpretation of what may or may not have happened. If we want to build a better world our collective efforts should be geared toward a solution the underlying causes of the outrage. I read the testimony and see one thing, you read the testimony and see another. If I thought Mr. Brown was trying to surrender I would be screaming for Mr. Wilson's indictment.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)except some jaundiced perspective given you by this GJ testimony documents. 2 said his hands were down, 10 said his hands were up. Mcullock guided this process, beginning to end, he defended wilsonthepig and purposefully muddied the water with confusion about statues and law with the pithy, scheming answer "let's not have a law class" or something like that when asked about the law by the GJ. That GJ which just let him frame the case as all wanted it framed......this continued 'confusion' is not laudable or admirable. The legal process for Michael Brown ended with Michael Brown being shot at while running away, killed while having his hands up in surrender. It is a fact that this GJ and the witnesses were 'guided' in their statements. You can and are entitled to your conclusion. Don't need you screaming anything in Michael Browns favor. He has millions of people on the other side of your millions that know what the truth is because we live with the fear every day that we will end up laying dead, bullet riddled and bleeding in the street for 5 hours for no more of an offense than jaywalking while black, in front of a cowardly, racist police person like wilsonthepig......
Zen_fighter
(19 posts)I don't know what is like to live the way many people in the world live. Clearly this is my opinion. It may be wrong and I would be willing to admit that I was wrong. Would you be willing to admit you were wrong? I have been fooled before and maybe this is an instance where I am wrong. I certainly believe I am at least partially biased by the fact that Mr. Brown appeared to be confrontational. That does not constitute him being killed. Is it possible that Mr. Wilson shot him out of anger? Racism? Sure. Is it possible that Mr. Wilson shot him because he genuinely felt like his life was in danger? If you unequivocally say no way then perhaps there also some biases at play in your interpretation of the event. Once again, this distracts from the task that we to our children to help solve.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)looking for way to blame the victim or imply things that blame the executed for their own murder. The last 3+ months have filled an 800 page novel with these type of responses. I UNEQUIVOCALLY say it was a murder by a cowardly racist. Period. And pray tell, what task must we help our children solve related to this travesty?
Like I said, I do believe Mr. Brown actions created a particular bias in my thought process. Not saying it is right or just. People's actions don't occur in a vacuum. Like it not how ANYONE reacts to a police officer will determine how things unfold. This does not make it just. This does not guarantee that something horrific won't happen. It is clear I don't share your life experiences and therefore I can't really understand much of what has gone on in this situation. However, I believe we are allowing this to serve as a distraction when progress could be made in our society.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)back to a time I remember my grandparents having to deal with. I sat in her huge kitchen, my favorite place, and listened to she, my grandfather and others talk about racist incidents going on then. Progress? I dream, but it is tinged with generations of cynicism. It is a fact that certain people, afraid of losing their privilege, don't want progress in race relations and they are legion. Just business as usual with subservient brown masses, with a few example that can be pointed to, see, see, he/she made it. Even a POTUS can be pointed to, yet how much has he really been able to accomplish with the racism and stupidity he has faced in Congress, from SCOTUS? And it's not even January 2015. This is a racist culture and if people really had wanted change, as voiced, voted in the numbers necessary to make change, change would have already transpired. Glimmer of hope still alive, but fading, especially with all the murders in the last 3+ months of persons of color, both male and female.
Zen_fighter
(19 posts)I am glad for passionate people like yourself that keep people talking. Progress is not at the speed we need. I believe there is some progress. I talk with my children about race and injustice. My children are only 9, 7, and 4. I work to ensure they are critical thinkers, passionate, empathetic, and are free of prejudice. They too will have children some day and hopefully instill that in their children. Hatred, racism, and bigotry is known throughout history and perhaps never eradicated. However, the more people we can bring to the side of oneness the better off we all can be. It has and will continue to be a messing process with harrowing setbacks and perhaps only slight gains. The killings need to stop today. Unfortunately, they will not. Can we as a society pull together as one? I hope. I will teach my children to fight for that.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)is needed today. You are gracious.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Not my understanding..."
That's very, very surprising.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)...except one that was 300 feet away
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I have been shaking my head at the police wanting an apology from the football players. Seems what people do is seen as right or wrong, good or bad, depends on the point of view of the people seeing the action.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)want to get killed.
What we need to understand is this has never been just about Michael. We have been hearing about one after another killing of some person who did not even have a chance to survive.