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pa28

(6,145 posts)
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:30 PM Dec 2014

Where is the compromise from Republicans in this "compromise" bill?

President Obama seemed to have finally learned his lesson in dealing with Republican extortion demands over continuing funding. He refused to deal with the extortionist last time by holding their demands up to public scrutiny. The extortionist folded.

Now we're back to negotiating and compromise. We're told that's the nature of politics in a divided government, that's how sausage is made in Washington and we all need to suck it up and deal with the result.

The problem is I don't see what we're "getting" in return for the massive giveaways to the lobbies of Wall Street and corporate America. At least not in any kind of scale normally considered a fair trade.

We're "giving" potentially hundreds of billions or even trillions in guaranteed bailouts that WILL be needed one day. We're making it legal to raid pensions and cut guaranteed earned benefits for working people and we're raising pentagon spending back to Iraq war levels. Levels that saddled us with trillions in debt.

I hear we're "getting" funding for the ACA. Huh? That was already a law. We already have that. If the Republicans want to choke the ACA to death make them explain their actions in public. As the party now responsible for governing MAKE Republicans be accountable.

Quietly giving what we already have in exchange for continued funding reminds me of some bullied schoolyard kid "giving" his lunch money in exchange for not "getting" a black eye. That's a losers way of thinking.

We "got" a couple of other relatively small tokens too. Great, but In no way can they be measured against the years of hard won progress and legislation we just gave away. With over a million dollars a day being spent on lobbying activities We're never going to win back ground on pensions or wall street regulation. At least not until after the next disaster that we are now culpable for.

There is another way of looking at this disaster. Maybe, to the Democrats who supported this bill, the massive giveaways were not something traded away. Maybe they were politically inconvenient policy objectives just waiting for an opportune moment to be quietly passed. Maybe it was time to re-pay Jamie and Lloyd.

Watching this fiasco unfold over the past few days I can't decide if we're hopelessly corrupt as a party or merely feckless and out of touch.

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Where is the compromise from Republicans in this "compromise" bill? (Original Post) pa28 Dec 2014 OP
"compromise" seems to often mean "giving them what they want" arcane1 Dec 2014 #1
They didn't defund ACA in this bill, old guy Dec 2014 #5
Yep. They got permanent tax cuts and we got 6 more months of not having to fight for ACA Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #14
Obama is a thinking, caring human being (way too much influenced by Wall Street, but still decent) NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #2
Whose signing the bill again? Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #3
The man being assailed by his own party on the torture issue is the one who ended the torture Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #10
Ummmmmm.... 99Forever Dec 2014 #4
Elections have consequences. So stop fucking losing them. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #6
A Democratic Senate will pass the measure and a Democratic president will sign. pa28 Dec 2014 #7
Because a Republican Senate in January would extort far worse. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #8
Why not make them answer publicly for their extortion demands? pa28 Dec 2014 #12
Answer to whom? It's two years until the next election. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #13
Exactly but that matters not to those who need to blame this President for everything. Dems stayed Cha Dec 2014 #15
Some people find an excuse more comforting than a win. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #16
They "let" the Democrats vote for it. hifiguy Dec 2014 #9
In the Republican Dictionary COLGATE4 Dec 2014 #11
They "compromised" by not filibustering it to death jmowreader Dec 2014 #17
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. "compromise" seems to often mean "giving them what they want"
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:37 PM
Dec 2014

Though I suppose they'll say we should be grateful they didn't include defunding the ACA in there

old guy

(3,283 posts)
5. They didn't defund ACA in this bill,
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 05:14 PM
Dec 2014

but rest assured they will do something to defund ASAP. There is nothing good in that bill that can't be undone when they have time and believe me they will find time.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
2. Obama is a thinking, caring human being (way too much influenced by Wall Street, but still decent)
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:38 PM
Dec 2014

Teaparty are not, they do not function the same way a mature, intelligent adult does.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. The man being assailed by his own party on the torture issue is the one who ended the torture
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 05:40 PM
Dec 2014

program his second day in office and has released Gitmo torture victims because of compassion, th released prisoners say so themselves.....which is he then, an evil on par with Cheney or a compassionate man, can not be both?

pa28

(6,145 posts)
7. A Democratic Senate will pass the measure and a Democratic president will sign.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 05:34 PM
Dec 2014

When the banks line up to collect billions or trillions in taxpayer funded bailout money Republicans will point to this bill and blame Democrats.

And you know what? They'll be right.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
8. Because a Republican Senate in January would extort far worse.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 05:36 PM
Dec 2014

Again, elections have consequences. Stop fucking losing them.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
12. Why not make them answer publicly for their extortion demands?
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 07:42 PM
Dec 2014

They will be the party of government in the new year. Why not make them accountable for cuts in the ACA, bank bailouts codified by law and stolen pensions?

We've given two of those things without an argument. How is this a consequence of losing the election? To me the Democratic party's feckless and out of touch behavior is the reason we lost in the first place.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
13. Answer to whom? It's two years until the next election.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 07:49 PM
Dec 2014

Two years.

And I agree that Democratic fecklessness lost the election, but here's the thing - we are the Democrats, not the handful of people who hold office.

Cha

(296,989 posts)
15. Exactly but that matters not to those who need to blame this President for everything. Dems stayed
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:24 PM
Dec 2014

home in 2010.. and in 2013 the repigs shutdown the gov to the tune of $24 Billion$$ and they still stayed fucking home in 2014.

And, whined afterwards they saw no reason to vote and were supported by the usual crowd.

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