Chris Kyle (American sniper) claimed he mass murdered dozens of Americans in New Orleans

[Cali_Democrat]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/

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Years after those alleged killings, Kyle had another story to tell. This one referred to the vacuum of authority in New Orleans following Katrina, when the city slipped into chaos. According to the New Yorker and several military publications, Kyle and a few other SEALs drank late in San Diego late one night in early 2012. “The SEALs began telling stories, and Kyle offered a shocking one,” the New Yorker reported. “…He and another sniper traveled to New Orleans, set up on top of the Superdome, and proceed to shoot dozens of armed residents who were contributing to the chaos.” The magazine said one conversation participant said Kyle “claimed to have shot thirty men on his own,”

So Chris Kyle summarily executed dozens of Americans in New Orleans? He apparently saw himself as judge, jury and executioner in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Whatever happened to the Constitution? Folks like him claim to be defending it.

This is a man who's being portrayed as a hero by our sick and twisted society.

[whathehell]

1. OMG..Please tell me he's in jail.

[Nay]

3. He's dead. Killed on a gun range by another vet. nt

[whathehell]

5. "friendly" fire? n/t

[atreides1]

4. Actually

He's dead...playing amateur psychologist finally caught up with him!

[whathehell]

6. I'm sorry, I don't have the time to read the entire article right now, so

can you tell me what you mean by his playing 'amateur psychologist'?

[Action_Patrol]

18. He was attempting to help

Returning soldiers with PTSD. One of those people turned the gun on him.

[whathehell]

36. That's sad, but

if he really shot all those people for bullshit reasons, then I'm not so sad.

[Action_Patrol]

38. I wasn't defending him

Just stating a fact. I think he was deplorable for the shit he was bragging about.
I won't shit on his life, I also won't celebrate it.

[whathehell]

40. Oh, I know that.

and I feel about the same.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

25. His idea of therapy for someone with violent suicidal thoughts was to bring them to a gun range.

[whathehell]

34. OMG.

Unfortunate.

[uponit7771]

95. +1

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. Don't worry: DU now has a brigade of "Stolen Valor" fact checkers who will clear this up presently

[tkmorris]

17. Why are you being so mocking towards DUers?

Is this how you normally interact with people or what?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. Yeah. No shit.

[Orrex]

39. It's always interesting when people are more upset at the fact-checkers than at the liars.

What does that tell us?

[alcibiades_mystery]

44. Who's upset?

Not me.

I love when people find friends.

[Union Scribe]

85. They've likely dispersed back to the cave

to brag about how through laborious cyber stalking they "got" another DUer.

[tkmorris]

87. That dude was not a DUer

He was just some random bullshit artist who showed up here telling lies. Why on earth would you defend that?

[Union Scribe]

91. I'm not, I'm talking about the "fact-checkers"

who all signed up on the same day--and we all know from where--because it's their life's work to take down anyone on DU they can. They spend all their time trying to glean personal data on posters here so they can try to get them in trouble at work, etc. That's a hell of a lot more pathetic than making up a story to communicate a moral, in my opinion.

[PeoViejo]

7. " Now this ain't no shit."

[Adrahil]

28. Yeah, sounds like bullshit to me too. n/t

[Dawson Leery]

8. Mr. Kyle was a typical ignorant redneck.

I would be ashamed if this were my son.

[riderinthestorm]

9. Despicable.

I literally feel sick to my stomach.

[helpmetohelpyou]

10. I'm pretty sure all these tales were shown to be lies

[Sheldon Cooper]

11. He also claims to have killed two would-be carjackers who tried to steal his truck at a gas station.

When police were summoned, they ran Kyle's name and were told he had some sort of special clearance from the military, so he was sent home with no charges filed. None of the sheriffs in the three surrounding counties ever heard of this incident. As far as they're concerned, it never happened.

He also claims to have beat up Jesse Ventura in a bar fight. Ventura denied the incident altogether, and in fact sued Kyle for defamation. He continued the suit even after Kyle died, and won his claim against Kyle's estate.

I think Kyle was full of shit and talking out of his ass in all three of these stories.

[Gormy Cuss]

27. ^^^This^^^n/t

[Logical]

47. True, another total unverified story. That story would be front page news!! nt

[Cleita]

12. Looks like the typical white asshat with a gun. n/t

[Fred Sanders]

13. "American Sniper" is a Clint Eastwood movie production, I would rather talk to an empty chair than

watch a minute of Clint's ode to gun fetishes, and would rate it, unseen, as 5 itchy trigger fingers down.

[BeyondGeography]

29. It's a must miss for me as well

Naked Hollywood money grab, imo. Not playing.

[belzabubba333]

14. national embarrassment

anyone who brags about the amout of people they killed ...smh

[d_b]

15. Oooooh such a badass!

and when he wasn't scaling the super dome to shoot looters, he was beating the shit out of jesse ventura for being a commie, and racking up 100000 sniper kills just like in call of duty, and winning arm wrestling matches against the ghost of John Wayne, and all sorts of other bullshit I'm sure we never heard about.

He was a liar, and a piece of shit. At least he's dead.

[Throd]

16. Sounds like the office blowhard who "fucked lots of chicks" back in the day. Not buying it.

[Ink Man]

19. I call BS.

The superdome was filled with thousands of people and hundreds of reporters were at the dome. Somebody would have seen something or heard a firing.

[dembotoz]

23. my thought to

[uponit7771]

80. +1, Even if they heard nothing 30 bodies would've brought some attention

[alarimer]

20. He was mostly full of shit and I can't believe he got the hero treatment in a movie.

Gonna avoid that particular piece of propaganda.

[Initech]

32. According to George Carlin, he's all three.

Stupid, full of shit, and fucking nuts! I will definitely avoid this propaganda puff piece, but at the same time I want to find out more of the real backstory.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

21. Jesse Ventura won a $1.8 million defamation lawsuit against Kyle for being a liar. NT

[geardaddy]

57. Yep.

I'm not a Ventura fan, but good for Jesse.

[uponit7771]

81. whoa.... That's horrible, would hate for my name to be attached to liar like that

[tularetom]

22. Not sure of the circumstances surrounding his death

But it wouldn't surprise me that the guy who shot him just got fed up with listening to his bullshit.

I don't doubt that he fantasized about shooting a bunch of black people from the top of the Superdome and I guess he got to the point where he started believing his own lies.

Oh well, live by the sword...

[MadDAsHell]

37. You don't doubt?

"I don't doubt that he fantasized about shooting a bunch of black people"

1) What the hell does race have to do with anything in the OP and 2) what evidence are you using to be doubtless about this soldier wanting to shoot black people? Is there some interview transcript you've seen that the rest of us haven't?

[tularetom]

59. No, I don't doubt

You got a problem with that?

You should probably look up the definition of "doubt". If I had evidence it wouldn't be a question of doubting or not doubting.

Do you have evidence that he didn't fantasize about shooting black people?

[Doctor_J]

62. The nola residents he claims to have killed were undoubtedly black

So the op ties into that pretty directly

[MadDAsHell]

64. "Undoubtedly black"

40% of New Orleans residents are a race besides African-American.

So there's nothing "undoubtedly" about it. The poster clearly was trying to create racial divide in the thread with his/her post. "Undoubtedly" disappointed that someone hadn't already brought race into the discussion...

[JonLP24]

77. A "racial divide"?

I'm white and wasn't bothered by it. There are a lot of racists out there.

[uponit7771]

82. I wouldn't doubt that most of the people surrounding the dome were black

[question everything]

24. This should be easy enough to verify

Were "dozens of armed residents" were shot during the Katrina chaos?

Yes, I know "you are doing a heck of a job Brownie" was supposedly taken place. Still, with so many reporters and the national guards and others - this should be easy enough to verify. Or not.

[Lochloosa]

35. I only heard of one mass shooting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings

The Danziger Bridge shootings were police shootings that took place on September 4, 2005, at the Danziger Bridge in New Orleans, Louisiana. Six days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, members of the city's police department killed two people: 17-year-old James Brissette and 40-year-old Ronald Madison. Four other people were wounded. All victims were unarmed. Madison, a mentally disabled man, was shot in the back. New Orleans police fabricated a cover-up story for their crime, falsely reporting that seven police officers responded to a police dispatch reporting an officer down, and that at least four people were firing weapons at the officers upon their arrival.[2]

[Initech]

30. Holy crap! Even Bruce Banner would have a hard time competing with this guy's anger management issue

[LordGlenconner]

31. Live by the sword, die by the sword

You don't kill the number of people he did without it having a huge impact on your mental state, which probably was dodgy. You've got to be a special kind of fucked up to WANT to do that kind of work to begin with.

He's also quite stupid. What a great idea to take a veteran with combat induced PTSD to a shooting range.

Dumber than dirt, this one. Dumber than dirt.

[MFM008]

33. don't believe it

Some one would have noticed all the bodies with bullet holes laying around.

[Victor_c3]

46. First thing that popped into my head too n/t

[uponit7771]

83. +1, the dome wasn't full with water either... someone would've noticed something

[MadDAsHell]

41. Let's hope this thread gets locked/deleted and doesn't make it into Google search...

Is anyone else realizing how bad some of the comments in this thread about a honorably discharged US soldier are going to make DU look? Or are you more concerned with your own personal vendettas?

1) "Mr. Kyle was a typical ignorant redneck. I would be ashamed if this were my son."
2) "Looks like the typical white asshat with a gun."
3) "national embarrassment"
4) "He was a liar, and a piece of shit. At least he's dead."
5) "Stupid, full of shit, and fucking nuts!"
6) "Dumber than dirt, this one. Dumber than dirt. "

[lolly]

43. An honorably discharged soldier who bragged about killing Americans?

Let the search engines find what they will.

No, I don't believe he actually did it--but what kind of person would think this was something to brag about?

And, yes, bragging about killing "dangerous people" in NOLA after Katrina is all about killing black people.

[LordGlenconner]

45. I'll say it again

FUCK CHRIS KYLE.

[MadDAsHell]

50. Well this'll be interesting..

I'm sure FoxSnooze and Breitbart won't be all over this...don't worry about a thing, the media is so fair to us and this all worked out so well with the "earthquake weapons" posts regarding the 2004 tsunami.

[LordGlenconner]

52. Zero

That's the number of shits I give about Breitbart or Fox News.

Or your opinion for that matter.

[JustAnotherGen]

60. +100

And Faux and Breit**** are too busy reporting on FEMA camps still to care what goes on here. They aren't going to shut down DU - because to do that they would have to give the owners free advertising.

[Sheldon Cooper]

72. Do you actually think any of us here give a good shit about what fox and breitbart say?

Really?

[MrScorpio]

98. Yeah, right. About Fox and Breitbart by the way...

[Logical]

49. Alert it?? nt

[ThoughtCriminal]

53. Nope I am kicking and rec

Mr Kyle was a dangerous nut case and a liar. His military service does not change that.

[tularetom]

66. Is that you, Clint?

You should STFU. All this controversy is just going to drive more dumbasses into theaters to watch this movie and make you a ton of money.

[elehhhhna]

67. oops you're on the wrong site, silly

[Cali_Democrat]

73. You think I should self-delete?

[wildbilln864]

84. fuuuuuukim! n/t

[Union Scribe]

86. Thanks for your concern for DU.

But what are your thoughts on someone who either murdered a bunch of US citizens or is sick enough to lie about doing so?

[tkmorris]

89. Are you his brother or something?

Every single thing you listed there as comments that, in your mind, should embarrass DUer's is absolutely true. This clown was a liar, a braggart, a bigot, and an asshole. I served with more than one like him. Getting an honorable discharge from the military does not guarantee that the dischargee is not a terrible human being.

[ecstatic]

94. If the allegations are true, then he deserves every

insult lobbed at him. "Honorable discharge" or not.

[Initech]

99. Did you read the article?

There's lots of things that stick out like a sore thumb that prove he's full of shit:

1. If he did kill all those people outside the Superdome, how come we're just now hearing about this? You would think that a story like this would make headlines around the world.

2. Suppose that he did get through the National Guard, how did he have access to that kind of rifle?

3. Let's not forget that he got sued by Jesse Ventura for $2 million for defamation.

4. The journalist named in this article found zero evidence that proved his claim about getting car jacked at the gas station that he named in the book. Not a single employee of the gas station could not verify that this happened, and there were no witnesses.

Full of shit? I say most definitely.

[whatchamacallit]

103. Lol, you must have missed the FR off ramp n/t

[Ilsa]

42. I suspect Bradley Cooper will get an Oscar for

His performance, but I won't watch them glorify this murderer.

[LordGlenconner]

48. Meh...not necessarily

His accent is BAD as in B-A-D and it's going to be a competitive field.

[Ilsa]

70. Thanks for that. I didn't

Know if there was anything good out there until you and other reply mentioned it.

[maryellen99]

54. I don't think so

I think the front runner is Benedict Cumberbatch for The Imitation Game.

[Ilsa]

69. I hope you're right.

I'm waiting for The Imitation Game to arrive somewhere near me, not just in "limited theaters."

[lpbk2713]

51. Too bad for him ... This reminds me of the old Western movies.

Now some young buckaroo is gonna be looking for the meanest baddest hombre in town.

[spanone]

55. a lying killer...'I only wish I had killed more' sick fuck.

[itsrobert]

56. This guy seems to tell some tall tales

While I served in the military there were a few guys that will embellish stories. And they would gain some admirers who ate it up. As their legend grew they would be picked up for "special assignment". However, their tales would get bigger as their admirers would want more and more. Eventually they would crash and burn getting caught in their lies.

Ransom Stoddard: You're not going to use the story, Mr. Scott?
Maxwell Scott: No, sir. This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.

[airplaneman]

58. But he was only killing the bad guys.

[herding cats]

63. He was a bald-faced liar.

I'm not doubting he had some pretty messed up fantasies and told more than a couple of tall tales, but I don't believe this story for one second.

Think about it; if what he says is true wouldn't someone have mentioned people that many people being shot around the Superdome? Wouldn't' there have been bodies and at least is some cases witnesses to these "armed residents" spreading "chaos" suddenly falling down dead from a gunshot themselves? It's a tall tale from a disturbed man, that's all.

You can't have done what he did for a living and be mentally pure. His lies about the death he inflicted when he was not a US sanctioned sniper aren't all that surprising, really. Killing was what he had done, he was very good at it and he began to associate that with his worth as human being, at least that's my guess. It's all pretty sad when you stop and think it.

[OldRedneck]

65. One vet's opinion

I'm 70 years old; 28 years in the Army including two tours as an infantry soldier in Vietnam. I have all the patches, tabs, wings, badges, and the beret with a full flash -- Special Forces, Ranger, Airborne (I jumped out of perfectly good airplanes), various awards and decorations.

I'm very turned off -- contemptuous even -- by stories like "American Sniper" and the recently-released tale by the guy who claims to have shot Osama Been Forgotten.

Most of us grunts in Vietnam, or any other war for that matter, took lives -- if you add up the grenades we threw, thousands of rounds we fired, Claymores we detonated, artillery and mortar fire we called for, gunships and fast movers we directed, we likely took a lot more lives than one sniper. It's not something I'm proud of nor is any other combat-experienced vet I know. We were young lads, ten feet tall and bulletproof, and The Best And The Brighest told us we had to go kill commies. You won't see us in movies, we don't have book signings. When we get together we talk about our grandchildren and our knee replacement surgery . . . then we lift a glass to our buddies who did not come back alive and who will never have any grandchildren.

As for his New Orleans story, I doubt it.


Just my $.02 worth.

[csziggy]

71. Thank you for your service and your comments

Every time I read about this guy what comes to mind is that not one of the veterans I've known over the years that actually saw combat ever wants to talk about what they did. To a person, they are very quiet about what they did and dislike discussing it - just like you say.

The braggarts I've met have been proven to be posers that never did what they claimed - and some of them never got close to combat.

So when I read about someone like this self claimed "sniper" I seriously doubt his veracity on any subject, especially when he brags about killing people. From what little I have read of what he claims, and from what I've seen of the movie based on his tales, I think he was a loathsome human being.

[Boreal]

92. Sorry you were in that war

Glad you lived to have grandchildren.

Thanks for mentioning that other liar telling his phony Bin Laden tales. I, too, think he's just like Kyle. Funny how all those SEALS died in the helicopter crash (and took the truth with them).

I never bought the Bin Laden baloney. Shocked anyone with two brain cells to rub together did.

[question everything]

101. Thank you for a touching story (nt)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

68. Sociopathic, narcissistic, blowhard.

[delta17]

74. Sounds like a tall tale.

Especially because it was told while drinking in a bar. Are there any other reports of Navy SEALS killing people during Katrina?

[rppper]

75. Good read about Kyle, his book and Ventura here...

http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle

[wildbilln864]

90. Thanks for the link. n/t

[uponit7771]

97. Freakin WOW!!!

[Cali_Democrat]

100. Great article

Thanks!

[chickenfairy]

76. Utter nonsense

I doubt he even said it never mind did it

[Initech]

79. Here's something I want to know about this story.

If he really was on the roof of the Superdome, how did he have access first of all, and second of all, if he really did murder 30 people how did this not make global headlines and why was he not prosecuted for the events?

[Cali_Democrat]

88. Yup...

You should also read the New Yorker article referenced by the OP.

All kinds of WTF.

[1styadayada]

105. easy to answer

Kyle never made the claim in public. someone else said he said it, and the story took on a life of its own.

[wildbilln864]

93. obviously a psychopath! n/t

[JI7]

96. the good thing is because he is a proven liar, usually to try to make himself appear tough

there is a chance many of his stories about killing people are fake.

[whatchamacallit]

102. He was a piece of shit

who embodied the worst of America.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/06/real-american-sniper-hate-filled-killer-why-patriots-calling-hero-chris-kyle

[1styadayada]

104. did he do it?

the story of the snipers killing people in the aftermath of katrina cannot be attributed to Kyle from any source I've found. the genesis of the story is actually attributable only to a different former sniper, Brandon Webb.
Webb made the claim (2 months after Kyle's death!) that Kyle told him the story while they were both drunk.

believe whatever you want about the man, I cannot verify anywhere that Chris Kyle ever bragged about killing people in N' Orleans.

I have googled around and dug around through a hundred articles, and can only find articles that reference the story, but that only lead back to the same source.

I admit that I haven't read his book, but I've seen several posts that claim Kyle wrote about it somewhere. so if any of you have read it, could you please tell me where in the book it says so?