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MOBILE, Alabama --
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According to police, Owens fussed at some kids playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive about 8:30 Saturday night. They say the kids left and a group of adults returned, armed with everything but the kitchen sink.
Police tell News 5 the suspects used chairs, pipes and paint cans to beat Owens.
Owens' sister, Ashley Parker, saw the attack. "It was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed." Parker says 20 people, all African American, attacked her brother on the front porch of his home, using "brass buckles, paint cans and anything they could get their hands on."
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What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon." Trayvon Martin is the unarmed teenager police say was shot and killed February 26 by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in Samford, Florida.
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/
Police are asking for help to find those in the "mob."
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Rex
(65,616 posts)Fussed?
Enrique
(27,461 posts)wtf does fussed mean is just one of the questions it left me with.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)it means "criticized", "reprimanded" "hollered at".
What DU often characterizes as "Get off my lawn" speech.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)You don't "fuss" in media, there was an "argument" or "verbal altercation"
And don't get me started on the "kitchen sink" line...Real professional....
obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)I think they may also be protesting the topic 
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)That is a local story, and written no worse, and no better, than any other local stories down here.
You ought to see what the weekly paper comes up with!
I have to bite my tongue a LOT around here, believe me.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)(esp. here on DU) I have to admit that our local newspaper and the Mobile paper are often sources of unintended
humor.
OTOH, since colloquialisms are used so much, they also provide an education into local language useage.
npk
(3,660 posts)Journalism has been replaced by crime blotters on the evening news. Most producers just have a police scanner on their desk these days and simply cover what the police respond to. That's it. That is what journalism in America has become. It's no wonder that these reporters cannot construct a decent paragraph to save their lives, there is little expectation put on them that they should.
butterfly77
(17,609 posts)know one will need to march or protest to get an arrest in this case.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)when ten or twenty people beat up one person,
it does tend to draw attention.
butterfly77
(17,609 posts)no one should have to march and protest for weeks to get an arrest for a murder..
uponit7771
(90,344 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)and that has NOTHING to do with the injustice in the Martin case.
butterfly77
(17,609 posts)when the victim is white,justice is swift..
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Find someone else to try and bait...You're schtick is obvious.
butterfly77
(17,609 posts)I know,I'm right..
whathehell
(29,067 posts)People who are truly secure in their opinions don't feel
the need to badger others into agreement.
Good night and good luck. 
.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)And where the hell do people get brass knuckles nowadays? Why not straight-razors and black-jacks, if we are going all colorfully retro with the implements....
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)And I just bought a straight razor the other day at the antiques shop for $1. It still has an edge on it. 
Fla_Democrat
(2,547 posts)but, they are available almost anywhere...
http://www.amazon.com/Replica-WW1-1918-Trench-Knife/dp/B000UU7WME
Remove the blade, a few minutes with a grinder on the hand guard, and it's pocket portable. 
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Book-weights, two lead weights encased in leather and joined by a leather strap, can be found wherever you find legal or cooking supplies. From the former they cost $20; the latter, $5-$10.
Sometimes I actually do use it for its intended purpose. Some sandwiches require two hands. And I like to read at lunch.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Hell of a thing to break silence over.
"What was your name in the States? Was it Wilson, or Johnson, or Bates?"
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)We used to view such a profile as a probable stealth troll or sock-puppet, especially when it popped up with imflammatory material....
On edit: I think I see what caught your eye, and have fixed it. Bad form to botch a jest, however serious it is meant. Working in a lap-tip, and the cursor jumps about sometimes without my noticing.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)I dunno...
The post links to an actual news article.
I see no need to go after the poster.
(btw, I like your use of the language, tho I must admit I don't quite get what you're saying sometimes...)
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)And that is a fact that seemed to me worth pointing out at the start. We used to have rules against flame-bait, too.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)be posted here?
Are you not condemning violence from all sectors however related or non-related to the Zimmerman case?
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Pointing out this fact does not excuse the fact of the heinous assault committed.
An accurate headline would have run along the lines of 'Neighborhood feud erupts in mob assault: man beaten by crowd in critical condition'. The body of the story would then proceed to lay out facts and background, and perhaps include 'the victim's sister claims one assailant called out 'That's for Trayvonn!' when leaving the scene.'
obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)Response to Skip Intro (Reply #24)
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hack89
(39,171 posts)Response to The Magistrate (Reply #2)
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whathehell
(29,067 posts)I'm afraid I have to agree with you.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)but people on DU have been know to "bend over backwards" on the side of PC,
would you not agree, Sir?
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Which means you own it.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)What I INFERRED from the post was not that he thought
you were "racist against white people", but that that he thought you
were "bending over backwards" in the interests of Political Correctness,
which is not, in my view, the same thing.
THAT is what I "agreed" with and THAT is what I "own".
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)And my command of it is pretty good.
Here is the post, for people who do not bother to click 'show', and for refreshment of your recollection:
"Funny how defensive you are about these threads.
On two of them now, where a white person is allegedly the victim of a racially-motivated crime, you've sprained everything in your body to jump in and start deflecting, hijacking, calling out posters, etc. Why is it you can't accept that there has been some backlash with the Martin killing and that some dumb people have taken it upon themselves to act on violent impulses? Is that just a white trait to you?"
The poster is clearly claiming it is my belief that only white people behave in a certain, morally deficient way. That is accusing me of holding a racist view of white people.
The poster's reference to previous comments of mine is as bogus as the rest. There was one incident some weeks back, bruited about as blacks attacking a white in vengeance for Mr. Martin. People who bothered to click through the link and read the story learned that the group of youths who beat the person up were equally mixed between black and white, and that the person attacked had brought up the subject of Mr. Martin near the commencement of the attack, saying something like 'remember Trayyvon' evidently in an appeal to them not to harm him for no reason. It is hardly 'spraining everything in your body' to lay out the facts of an incident as recounted in a newspaper article.
One other incident comes to mind, of a casual robbery in Chicago near Oak Park, a thing so trivial and routine it easily slips the mind. A poster cited an imflammatory 'Tea Party Report' in the Washington Times for his account of the matter, which spent paragraph after paragraph denouncing calls for the arrest of Zimmerman and accusing everyone from President Obama to the dog next door of creating race hate, where of course in 'Tea Party' eyes none exists at all, except for evil civil rights agitators. A perfectly straightforward local account of the thing, without all the Sturm und Drange was readily available. The assailant here did say it was 'payback for Trayyvon', but the charge sheet and high bail make it clear he is a repeat offender; only a very small proportion of arrestees receive bonds that actually will confine them in County jail, owing to serious over-crowding, and the working criterion is not severity of charge but likelihood of offending again before trial.
My comments in this thread pointed out that the O.P. matches a 'profile' that has always been considered very suspicious to moderators and administrators here, and probably is to the inheriting M.I.R.T. people as well. It is true enough that I mis-read, in the late night hour, one word of this account, and so provided some low humor to a few people. But it remains a fact that the account at the head of this thread is both embellished and lacking important detail, and slanted to a degree that cannot fail to be intentional towards presenting a distorted picture of the event.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and my command of it is rather good as well.
My reading ability alone, for instance, tells me that the words "racist against white people"
are not contained in the poster's message. I also know that "implication"
can be most subjective and that its meaning is not synonymous with the word "fact".
"The poster is clearly claiming it is my belief that only white people behave in a certain, morally deficient way. That is accusing me of holding a racist view of white people".
This is where we disagree, Sir. I see the poster's question to you about white people
as reflective of nothing more than sarcastic exasperation. I do not view it as "literal".
Now, I am done here, Sir...You may continue to beat what seems a
decidedly dead horse, but you may have to do it alone,
as I feel NO further need to defend myself.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)"Children make the best opponents at Scrabble, as they are both easy to beat and fun to cheat."
whathehell
(29,067 posts)You disappoint me. 
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)You have lost to preparing pork chops and home-fries for my grand-kids tonight....
"No time left for you...."
whathehell
(29,067 posts)It is you who has "lost" and I who first bid you "adieu". 
Rex
(65,616 posts)The fact that they are doing what a lot of trolls do is pathetic beyond words.
To everyone saying, 'you want to hide this, because it is a white person' what the fuck is wrong with you? We all want justice for those hurt through violence. The fact that some people question the original story, is only considered by trolls, to be a question asked out of racism.
So please people, don't help the trolls.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)...greatly influences their pov on things like this. We interpret it to conform to what we already believe. Conservatives do this as well, maybe even worse than we do. In the real world, however, sometimes people - regardless of their race, ethnicity, economic condition, gender, etc... - are just stupid assholes. Things tend to make more sense once this is recognized.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)but not to everyone, it seems.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)emilyg
(22,742 posts)I couldn't agree more.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)You know how dumb the average person is.
Half of the people are dumber than that.
flvegan
(64,408 posts)If what has been stated is true, in Florida, on my porch, that's around 20 dead idiots. This has nothing to do with Treyvon Martin. This is about violence and misdirected hostility.
And potentially, on my porch, many funerals in the making.
Flame away.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)It's rather common vernacular, frequently
heard in the Black community.
When a gang of people of WHATEVER race, attacks
one person, of whatever race, it's a criminal act. Period.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)And think it is vague and also has no place in a news article.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)hyper-specific reference to 'justice for Trayvon' that caught my eye and registered on my bullshit meter.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)might be that it's not "politically correct"...Lots of us here,
rightfully angry at the Trayvon Martin case, are all hyped
up at White on Black crime, and I understand that.
Unfortunately, many seem emotionally unprepared to "accept"
an instance of its opposite -- Black on White crime,
hence that all-important "smell test".
Frankly, that's bothersome: One crime doesn't make up for another.
The knee jerk Political Correctness here can get a bit heavy at times.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)readers deserve to know exactly what the 'fussing' entailed. If, for instance, Owen threatened black children if they failed to leave the street, why then the ensuing reference to Trayvon starts to acquire an entirely new meaning in context. And if Owens' fussing included use of the N-* word, why then that's also a whole different ball game.
See why the vague word 'fussing' is so problematic?
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I'm still not buying that it's "that" problematic for people here,
and I stand by my initial "take" on many of the reactions.
That being said, specificity is certainly warranted.
cali
(114,904 posts)and yes, even if he used the N word.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)behind the article cited and linked to in the OP (and a certain sort of linguistic racism, having the white utter a vaguely innocuous 'fuss' while the black utters a highly specific taunt).
obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)same for my siblings.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)but I'm starting to get an inkling.
Bake
(21,977 posts)I got fussed at. Probably deserved it, too! I suspect you did too (got fussed at, that is)!
Bake
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)do you believe that if he said some vile racist shit, that justifies or even mitigate the beating?
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)I can certainly see how that would cause the beating.
A person can certainly understand the reason for a situation happening without agreeing with that situation.
I often wonder why a person would offer me a choice of option A or B and leave out the obvious C. But that's just me, fussing.
Rex
(65,616 posts)of the people in this thread. Curious ain't it?
cali
(114,904 posts)MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)Let me turn it around on you: do you believe that if those children lost their ball on his property, that justifies or even mitigate him pulling knives on the children?
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)the kids went to get their parents tells me he said something very serious. which would have PROVOKED the beating. not justified it.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)that surprised.. people are at a boiling point. there have been 4 or 5 unprovoked murders of black men recently all over the country.
if he "fussed', different story.
i'm not saying it is ok to beat someone up, but if he called them any sort of racial slur, people are going ot react violently.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)but I don't think it makes a twenty person difference, or even a ten or fifteen.
I'm sorry...If he shouted out racial slurs, he's a racist prick, for sure, but
IMO, it STILL doesn't justify that kind of a crowd beating on one person.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)It's a southern term.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)wanted to say its good to see you again!
flvegan
(64,408 posts)
one_voice
(20,043 posts)involved in the beating should be charged accordingly.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It will be interesting to see them catch all 20 suspects.
LAGC
(5,330 posts)Works almost every time.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)and then again maybe he did not. I will wait and see these 20 suspects first. And 'fuss' can mean a lot of different things imo.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Why pretend to?
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)the list.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Sorry, but, you're not close enough to "smell" or "feel" it.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Are you a alpha tester for somebody? DigiScents maybe?
Here's the latest I have seen on the subject, please fill us in!
Creating a Virtual Stink
Can you imagine a world with no smells? Think of some of the smells that you would never be able to enjoy, like homemade cookies, flowers or that scent that follows a summer rain. Smell adds so much to our experiences. Of course, without smell there is also no taste, since our sense of taste is almost completely dependent on our sense of smell. This world without smell exists on the Internet -- but that is about to change. You will soon have your choice of two computer peripheral devices that will make your nose as involved in your Web experience as your eyes and ears. Let's take a look at these devices.
iSmell Personal Scent Synthesizer
In Oakland, Calif., DigiScents, Inc. is developing a digital scent device, called the iSmell. They are fully aware of how people will respond to the device's tongue-in-cheek name. Mentioning the iSmell to a friend is likely to provoke instant laughter. The company hopes the device's name will grab consumers' attention and help to sell this gadget designed to transmit digitized smells through your computer.
http://www.howstuffworks.com/internet-odor1.htm
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)concerned, I'll save the dough, as I don't need it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)did I use the Castle Laws, course language nor did anyone come back with a MOB and want to beat my ass into the pavement.
You know in south Texas 'fuss' can mean anything from a simple shout out at a car...to a beer bottle getting cracked over ones head. Articles that start with such vagueness leave me a little cynical.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)And the fact you ingore it even clearer.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I am sitting on the fence, like so many net nannies have told me to do. You should to and not be so judgmental imo.
obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)I think there was a dustup and the gentleman got beat up. His attackers should be arrested. I do not think anyone said anything about Trayvon.
Lilyeye
(1,417 posts)However, those assholes need to be punished fully!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)They're extremely clear when it comes to the Trayvon quote. They're extremely vague when it comes to what the guy said before the beating.
Rex
(65,616 posts)that.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)my guess is that those parents didnt show up coz their kids were being "fussed" at but perhaps threatened with a little "u know what happened to Tayvon. Right?" kind of thing.
That makes more sense to me.
Still doesnt justify mob brutality but I suspext they were reacting to a bit more than "fussing"
one_voice
(20,043 posts)20 people are beating on anyone where I live and no one get involved to break it up. No one except the sister saw anything? No neighbors heard the noise? You're not beating someone like that and it's quiet.
It will be interesting to see what turns up. Hopefully it's not another backward "B". This kind of shit will set things in motion that will be hard to contain.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)
Igel
(35,317 posts)I watched a group of teenagers go after a teenage Latina neighbor. Beat on her door with a brick, bashed up the car parked in her driveway.
She called the police. The teens' parents stood there and watched the police talk at them. The police were the enemy, trying to take away their innocent little girls--who 20 minutes before were trying to break down the door and shouting for the Mexicans to all go home.
The car belonged to a friend of the family.
The police made lots of threats, issued lots of verbal warnings, but there was only one side of the story from one person.
emilyg
(22,742 posts)
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Stay tuned, there is more here.
obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)He snarked at the kids (I, too, rolled my eyes at "fussed at"
, and I would like to know exactly what was said. I do believe there was a confrontation and he got beat up. His attackers should be arrested for that. I do not think anyone mentioned Trayvon Martin.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)in the red zone.
For one thing, the sole source for the story is WKRG5, presumably a Mobile, AL televsion news channel. Link lists the company as a Media General property, about which I know very little. My point is that one would think there are other news sources servicing the Mobile, AL area. Why are NONE OF THEM reporting this story??????
Do we have any DUers from the Mobile area who could weigh in on this?
npk
(3,660 posts)It's been all over the news pretty much since Monday. Lots of neighbors being interviewed and some are suggesting that a couple of the men in the "mob" were overheard saying something about "justice for Trayvon". But a lot of the neighbors are refusing to talk and the media has been basically talking to the sister and a couple of the more outspoken people in the neighborhood.
I can tell you I know this area. Delmar Drive is a pretty poor area of town, as much of Mobile proper is pretty poor. It's just south of downtown and lies on the other side of the bay. It is a very mixed racial area of Mobile. There are a lot of very old residents of many races that have probably lived in those homes for more than a couple generations. The street is very old and was only recently paved. Before that it was an old clay road that was pretty hard to play basketball in. So a lot of the neighborhood kids would have to play ball in the more even areas of the street or in yards that had a dead patch of grass. But since the road was paved, the kid tend to play in the street. My Uncle used to live near Hank Aron Stadium, which is about 5 miles or so from Delmar Drive. Most of this area is mixed with very old industrial sites, ship building or oil rigs to the east.
The thing is this is an area of Mobile that has alway suffered a lot of violent crime in general. Though the funny thing I was born very close to this section of Mobile. I lived in Jackson for much of my youth. It was almost non-existent to hear of a black person harming a white person. I even remember when I was a kid me and a few of my friends yelled at what we thought was a homeless man in the area of 90% black neighborhood. What is funny is that several young (mid 20's) black males just stared at as us and basically told us that we were acting "foolish". I never once feared for my safety. And I was 15 or so at this age, and I talked a lot of trash as most kids do. But I never feared anything other than fist fight. yet I was never hassled with a fist fight even when I definitely deserved one.
I can tell you straight up that it would have taken a lot and I do mean a lot for a group of black people in this area of Mobile to attack a white person in this manner. Reading a bit more from the article I was able to discover that the victim Mr. Owens has had a lot of altercation with kids in the neighborhood. I am not blaming the victim, but I can tell you that it would either take a very long history of racial language or a very vile verbal racial assault for any black person to respond like this.
Just my .02 cents.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)this material.
Turns out Owens' 'fussing' may have included brandishing butcher knives at one or more of the children.If true, kind of changes the complexion of the story as originally reported.
On edit: forgot to say a hearty "thank you" for your take.
npk
(3,660 posts)I have mixed feeling about my hometown. Parts of Mobile of very beautiful and quite peaceful to spend time around, other parts not so much. There are a lot of very older, very set in their ways people, that can be quite racist pretty much toward anyone that doesn't look and think the way they do. It s sad. When I go home to visit my family, I hear a lot of "coded talk" about how the area is changing and not for the better. Funny thing is when I go out and talk to many of the people that live in my grandparents neighborhood, many older and younger black families that have moved into the area, they always smile at me and take me in and offer me whatever is on their table. I talk for hours with many people and they have never once made me feel uncomfortable or unwelcome.
The sad thing about Mobile is that it is literally a city that has changed very little over time. The city is not very progressive and they shunned many companies that have tried to establish themselves in the area in hopes of bringing jobs and actually reviving what is actually a terrible economy. But these people that run the city just give contracts and permits to "Good Ol Boys" they have known for years, and they have really in some ways run the city and the economy even farther into the ground.
Sometimes when I go home I see things that give me hope, but most time I leave more depressed. It's sad when you see how things could be so much better, but the people in power just want take themselves out of the way.
Back to the story of this OP. I have heard more of the details and I believe this is more of a case of a man in this neighborhood who just couldn't get along with anyone. He may have said and done things that precipitated this altercation. He still didn't deserve to get beat up, but sometimes people go out of their way to not get along with people and sometimes that can lead to problems. If it's true this man brandished a knife, then it changes the complexion a lot. Like I said it takes a lot to get your ass kicked in your own neighborhood, so who really knows.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)by Go Vols downthread). Thought you would profit from reading\seeing.
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/mayor-addresses-matthew-owens-assualt
Taverner
(55,476 posts)This has the strong smell of cow droppings...
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)Did you also call bullshit on the Trayvon shooting?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)whatever happened should not have resulted in 20 adults beating the hell out of one man.
That said, I really doubt anyone said: "Now thats justice for Trayvon." I suspect that a bit of embellishment.
Quixote1818
(28,941 posts)Also, based on the racial tensions between the two groups, this had nothing to do with the Trayvon Martin case. It might have been said as an after thought by one of the kids but this fight occurred because both sides already hated one another and evidently this fellow did or said something to the kids that really pissed them off. Not that what they did was justified at all because it wasn't.
Zookeeper
(6,536 posts)into downright insulting, physical violence is not an appropriate response.
The story doesn't give much information, though. 'Hard to believe there wouldn't have been a lot of neighbors, at least, calling the police.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)twenty people did all of that butt kicking and the guy is still alive, he actually looks almost better then zimmerman. I bet when they get down to the bottom of this it will not be twenty but a couple of people and the victim will have had a hand in getting this all started by doing more then just fussing at kids playing in the street.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)They usually are, but coming from local media almost makes it certain. Twenty bucks says that this story changes dramatically once they get a hold on the actual facts.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)or call the police sooner. They claim to have heard him yelling. They couldn't get the deadbolts off in time? Really?
from the article:
On the other side of that door was Matthew Owen, who, police and neighbors say, was being beaten by a group of people. The weapons? Bricks, bats, even a paint can.
At first, when he heard his friend at the door, the man thought it was a joke. "Then I saw about 10 to 15 people from little kids and women with dresses to adult men, just flooding onto the property, surrounding the car, hollering and screaming," he says. "And then I heard Matthew saying, ' I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.' And then, the next thing, before I could get to the door, because we have it all deadbolted and everything, and before I could get it open, I heard all the beating and banging."
Meanwhile, the incident has left some who live on this street troubled and nervous including Owens' friend. "Oh, my God" he says. "He was laying on the ground full of blood. I mean, it was horrible. His head, everything. Blood was pouring from his head, both sides. And his whole body was drenched in blood."
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)beating.
but the story makes more sense now. i expect further changes.
on edit: i see some of the 10-15 are now "little kids". ok, what next.
obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)Not that that is an excuse for beating up someone.
It was probably two or three people, but an out of control mob of angry black men sounds soooo much "better."
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)because i don't think so.
no.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Sometimes things just happen.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The point/question is:
Are we how going to be subjected to any and all instances of Black on white violence?
whathehell
(29,067 posts)"Are we now going to be subjected to any and all instances of Black on white violence"?,
as in "Are we now going to read news stories of black on white violence"?...Well, I think
the answer would be "yes" insofar as ANY act of violence, especially one with the
unique circumstances of a Trayvon Martin case, or the unique circumstances
of twenty people beating on one person, is newsworthy, regardless of the
race of the victim or perpetrator.
Maraya1969
(22,480 posts)Zimmerman was arrested and indited? I hope if it is true whoever is responsible is brought to justice.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Hopefully they will decrease or cease all together.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Ugh.
I have to go to bed, but will do some google work for you now since I did open it up.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Just give me a few to look and I will edit.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)'This is for Trayvon. Kill that white'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126003/Trayvon-Martin-case-6-youths-beat-man-78-twisted-racial-revenge-attack.html
‘Trayvon' shouted as group attacks Good Samaritan
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120412/ARTICLES/120419865/1002/news?Title=-8216-Trayvon-shouted-as-group-attacks-Good-Samaritan
I Beat Up White Man Because I Am Mad About Trayvon Martin Case
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/crime/alton-hayes-trayvon-martin-white-man-attacked-black-racist-racism-maywood-chicago-suburb-20120420
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Prometheus Bound
(3,489 posts)That is so weird. Empty or full?
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)The introduction to the "story:"
White Reference is designed for the dissemination of news of interest to the White Nationalist community as well as others interested in such information. This includes reports of crime and oppression against White people worldwide, as well as accounts of White resistance. Display optimized for Firefox.
Monday, April 23, 2012
Diversity Watch: Mob Of Up To 30 Blacks Attack Matthew Owens In His Own Yard In Mobile, Alabama, Calling It "Justice For Trayvon"
Diversity breaks out in Mobile, Alabama. The Mobile Press-Register and Fox10TV simply reported that a 40-Year-old man was severely beaten on his front porch at the 1000 block of Delmar Drive by a mob of up to 15 men on Saturday April 21st, 2012. According to police, the victim went outside and had words with a group of boys who were playing basketball in the street. The boys left, but shortly afterward a group of adults arrived and confronted the man. They beat him with a variety of objects, including paint cans, literally busting his head open. The victim was beaten so severely that police said he has still not been able to identify or describe who the men were. He said it is not known when the man will be able to say anything about the incident.
A friend of the victim who was present described the scene. "I seen all these people just rushing, it was like, I seen at least 15 children, women, men. It was horrible before I could ... I was paralyzed," said the friend, who did not want to be identified.
More:
http://whitereference.blogspot.com/2012/04/diversity-watch-mob-of-up-to-30-blacks.html
No doubt the KKK would say 300. Gee...what does the White Nationalist community represent again, I forget? 
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)This story is either an exaggeration or straight up BS, but we shall see. White power folks are notorious for trying to pimp these stories and exaggerating for maximum impact. I also noticed how the story is changing. First it was 10 people, then 15, then 20 and now it's a mob of 30 people beating this guy.
Prometheus Bound
(3,489 posts)15 men in paragraph 1
15 children, women and men in paragraph 2
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)little kids, women in dresses...
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)...asking where the outrage is for Matthew Owens?
The same one that posted a picture of President Obama reading "The Post-American Century" by Fareed Zakaria and went on a tear about how it scared her? Maybe!
Sigh.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)
alp227
(32,025 posts)Now that the "gays spread STDs" talking point has been beaten down hard, the bigots' new talking point to flap around is "diversity causes crime".
sarisataka
(18,655 posts)Would those involved be charged with a hate crime?
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)If he was specifically attacked because he's white and not because of "fussing" then yes. Initial attack had to be motivated by race and not something else.
Someone allegedly shouting justice for Trayvon or something racial AFTER the alleged beating doesn't constitute a hate crime. Especially considering the fact that it appears this spat started out because of kids playing basketball in the street.
Now the Oklahoma shooters? Definite hate crime because blacks were targeted at random because of their race.
sarisataka
(18,655 posts)do you believe a the issue of race and hate would come up.
I am not defending or justifying anything as I think there is a lot more to the story than what has been told. I just wonder if a group of whites put a black man in the hospital would some jump on that wagon?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Just like some are jumping on this wagon. There are 300 million people in America. A lot of opinions.
sarisataka
(18,655 posts)It seems this neighborhood had some history. It will be interesting to see what does, or does not, come out
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)the prejudice and double standard of some on DU with their jumps to conclusions before anything is really known about the story, including whether it's true or not, simply depending on whether it messes up their world view or reinforces it.
kctim
(3,575 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)After all, as Andrew Breitbart taught us back when folks were shouting racial slurs at members of Congress, if you don't have something on videotape, it didn't happen. Right?
vaberella
(24,634 posts)
greyl
(22,990 posts)...
Even family and friends of Matthew Owens admit there was some tension on this street before Saturday night's event. And they say a lot of this has to do with basketball. Relatives of the victim, who live on the street, say local kids often block Delmar Drive when they play basketball. They say it's lead to some confrontations. Racial comments from both sides may have made the confrontations more toxic.
It all bubbled over Saturday night, putting Owens in critical condition with severe head wounds.
...
http://www.local15tv.com/news/local/story/Delmar-Attack-Over-Possible-Racial-Slurs/cclWJ4ZQz0-RH_KwjFZRRQ.cspx
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)But we were told that Matthew Owens was just fussing at those kids in the road!
Not that he deserved to be beaten by anyone for being a racist asshole, if that's what he was. But the WKRG story in the OP is certainly only telling one side of the story.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)"hey, you kids, it's late, go play somewhere else!"
nah, that's not normally something your parents would come out to beat up the neighbor for.
unless you believe that black people are just violent nuts ready to bloody someone at the drop of a hat. which i guess is either what part of the news outlet's readership believes, or what the news outlet *wants* their readership to believe.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)in that neighborhood. Almost getting to the point of racial slurs, but not quite.
Lots more to this story than the OP article.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)greyl
(22,990 posts)That word choice of "fussing" is definitely some euphemistic editorializing.
Quixote1818
(28,941 posts)
DianaForRussFeingold
(2,552 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:54 PM - Edit history (1)
Thank You!dkf
(37,305 posts)I had a feeling it would start up a firestorm.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=602855
It appears both sides were saying racially charged things.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Right now there are conflicting stories. We still don't know all the facts. It's not okay for anybody to beat up anybody as far as I'm concerned. But just because a guy got his ass kicked, it doesn't mean he was an innocent victim.
For example...I was in Palmdale a few years ago. Some drunk guy began harassing people. He got his ass totally kicked and had to be hospitalized. Did he deserve it? Not IMO, but he clearly started the fight from what I saw. I was right there.
We still need more facts.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)the confrontation.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The article is going by the account of the family and friends of the person who was beaten. Again, you can't definitively say he didn't start the confrontation based on the article. The article is poorly written as well with spelling mistakes.
AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,850 posts)There is a reunion in Sept. but I doubt I'll go. First my folks but bars on all their windows and doors to prevent breakins, then they sold and moved out. They would drive around the block to get home, because if they came direct they would have to stop at a stop sign and folks on the corner would ask if they wanted to buy drugs. They would walk the dogs and pick up bottles and cans, but one day walking home someone was pointing a gun at them from a front porch. Someone fed their dogs poison, possibly hamburger with lye or something. I left town five days after graduation.
(edit, wrong word)
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)The town worked hard to fix that up to bring in some business and it is beautiful. It is such a beautiful town and it is a shame that it is such an unsafe place to live. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Sanford-Florida.html
We had looked a couple of years ago at houses on Lake Monroe and thought of moving there. I hope the terrible Martin incident will inspire community leaders to address some of the problems in the town for the good and I hope they step up soon.
edited to change us to up
AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,850 posts)That is in the Antelope Valley, California.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)People did, and rightly, call 'bullshit' on the picture of the event given in the story linked to by the O.P., which was light on fact and heavy on imflammatory claims.
If the matter is an eruption of a long simmering neighborhood quarrel, already involving racial tensions and verbal altercations, which seems likely, and is a not uncommon circumstance, claiming this is an emblem of some sort of wave of mob violence against white people by blacks triggered by calls for the arrest and trial of Zimmerman for murdering young Mr. Martin, cannot be taken seriously, and cannot be taken seriously even if one is inclined to believe a relative's claim that something invoking Mr. Martin was shouted by one of the attackers departing the scene.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I'm just sad that the case may have inflamed relations. We are a country divided by race, class, and wealth.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Understand, if any 'inflaming' has been done, it owes to the killing without just cause of Mr. Martin, and the intention of the local authorities to leave Zimmerman go without let or hinderance. Hue and cry to compel the authorities to do their job and arrest Zimmerman and charge him with murder is proper use of free speech to petition for redress of grievances; what democracy in this country is supposed to be about: it is not 'inflaming racial tensions.'
Racial tensions have been inflamed by a deliberate political policy of the party, appealing to white racism for votes since the campaign of Sen. Goldwater in 1964. The root of this is the refusal of many white people to accept blacks as equals, whether regarded as citizens, as legal persons, or just as human beings, and white resentment at the removal of open and unassailable social constructs reflecting white superiority and black inferiority.
dkf
(37,305 posts)That is where I am stuck, trying to reconcile the SYG laws.
I wonder what you see that makes you so certain of your pov.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)That was view of the department's own senior investigator on the scene. He should not have been over-ruled. Why he was over-ruled certainly has more to do with local institutional mores and politics than any consideration of law.
dkf
(37,305 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)As someone once said, "To be a policeman is to be lied to for a living." His story was and is so obviously self-serving as to raise the eyebrows of any experienced policeman.
There is not a bit of evidence in the hands of the special prosecutor today that was not in the hands of the police that night, or that could not have been in their hands within forty-eight hours.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I need more to be convinced arresting him that night was the proper thing to do. I still don't see it.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)"It is hard to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
dkf
(37,305 posts)All these things could work for me. I am perfectly willing to be reasonable. I just think your standard of evidence is pretty thin.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Do you seriously imagine that when an armed man is found on the scene, standing over a corpse, with no other weapon in sight but his, that arrest waits on x-rays and an autopsy?
Give it a rest. You cannot honestly believe that drivel, and clearly you need a break. I am up because I promised the wife an all-nighter at getting the kitchen all Sir Garnett ( hard to get anything done when the grand-kids are up and about ), and I have to sit down periodically; why you are still at this by this hour I have no idea....
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)There has ben some questioning in these threads about why a member might be characterized by some as a 'Zimmerman defender' or a 'Zimmerman apologist.'
This is why. And it's not an anomaly--the poster's history on this issue is available to anyone who wants to find it.
Some here may not be aware of how trolls bring RW and Neo-nazi talking points here because they don't visit those objectionable sites, and don't see how that BS is repeated here--often verbatim, and usually (but not always) by low-post count trolls.
Thankfully our MIR Team is on the job and and will sort things out and take action on trolls like this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002598597
And this thread, in which the OP and other trolls were PPRoni'd:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002598597
But I think my favorite--mainly because I made sure to specifically lay out in the second link, below, the subtle RW connections that might easily be missed here--is this one (LoTechGuru) :
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002572795
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002556986
LoTechGuru PPR notice
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=282369&sub=trans
LoTechGuru was a troll from Conservative Cave who, I believe, was either their chief moderator, Frank Solich, or another member there who goes by the username, 'JakeStyle.'
Those here who may be tempted to defend against our attacks against trolls whom we characterize as Z defenders or apologists may be unaware of of the history and RW connections of these posters.
The 'tells' for those who truly are Z apologists and defenders, as opposed to DUers seeking fair trial and justice, include:
• Repetition of RW/white supremacist talking points, sometimes verbatim.
• Taking Zimmerman's claims as gospel, while ignoring contradictory evidence.
• Disclaimers about 'fair trial;' 'presumption of innocence;' interest in justice, opposing 'mob rule' and 'trial by media,' etc. Concern trolls, by definition, seek to fit in in by mimicking the valid positions and concerns of DU members.
Trolls and moles, oh my! LOL! We DO have them. They're real. And before anyone jumps to the conclusion that their fellow members are merely a mob with pitchforks and torches looking to string up Zimmerman because they confront these trolls, it helps to look a little deeper into what's really going on.
And may I salute you, Sir, The Magistrate, for all your fine work in upholding civil rights and human values and opposing those who would seek to undermine those values. 
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)in full 100% accord. I hope you will seriously consider amplifying on your thoughts here and creating an OP around this topic of how these 'inflamed racial tensions' began and who began them. That story needs to be told over and over again, imho.
Thanks again for your siimple eloquence.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)the blacks utters a very specific line: "That's justice for Trayvon."
Here's a what-if: what if Owens' "fussing" involved threatening the black kids in the street?
Man, does this story stink.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)It's never "okay" for multiple people to beat up a single person,
and had the races been reversed, I think there would
be a bit less "skepticism", shall we say.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)
I've read the word racist used, but not white racist.
No? Nothing?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Quixote1818
(28,941 posts)"This was for Trayvon". Clearly there is no excuse for anyone beating someone up and the people who did this need to be punished big time, but if there were racial tensions here that go way back, this has ZERO to do with Trayvon Martin and a lot to do with the two sides going back and forth for a long period of time and whatever was said that escalated things. It's very possible someone did say "This was for Trayvon" but is that really relevant here if both sides already hated one another? Does it bring anything constructive to the story and is it possible the guys sister was angry at "Black People" since there clearly was some racism on both sides and she clearly has a right to be angry based on what happend to her brother and so she said the one thing she thought would get back at blacks at this moment? Not saying she lied but I do think it's possible.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)If not 30 witnesses. No one misses 20 people.
kctim
(3,575 posts)Contrary to popular belief on here, an investigation will be conducted, charges will be filed from evidence gathered and an arrest, if warranted, will be made.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)Although I can't imagine women and children participating in this.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--why not? That scenario makes the involvement of kids at least possible.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I'm picturing 5 year olds and even 9 year olds. If I were a kid...I'd be too worried an adult would step on me or hurt me in the process. Especially if there were more adults, and there were a lot more adults than kids.
eridani
(51,907 posts)But wouldn't the kids be more of a cheering section?
vaberella
(24,634 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)From that perspective, "Involved" could mean following on behind the adults.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)But apparently she could see the whole thing. I was surprised from her vantage point or her being in the house she didn't call the cops right away when she saw 30 or so Black people coming onto her property...Who did make the 911 call?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Sorry, but it does. Even if the race of the people was reversed and a mob of white people supposedly beat a black man it's not very believable. At least not with the facts which are presented.
If 20 people beat on you with belt buckles and chairs and paint cans would you even be alive to tell the story? Or did the mob know exactly when to stop beating on him in order not to kill him?
The sister didn't recognize a single one of the 'mob' when the kids were playing in the street close enough to get 'fussed at'? Wouldn't that mean the kids were from the neighborhood?
Police didn't find anyone even after canvasing the area?
Holes everywhere.
edited for spelling
cali
(114,904 posts)and yes of course people live after horrific beatings. It's amazing what people can survive.
here's a black news source.
http://newsone.com/2004070/mob-beats-white-man-unconscious-thats-justice-for-trayvon-martin/
alp227
(32,025 posts)I'll wait for more details to come out before commenting about this case. I've been reading throughout this thread and think some media sensationalism is going on here. Maybe some prejudices in the newsroom at Alabama?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I remember when a group of black youths carved a "B" on the forehead of a young, female Caucasian college student. That was very scary too-- until it wasn't.
I wonder if the assailants arrived in an old jalopy, and wore knickers and beanies to better serve the "brass knuckles" style...
Erose999
(5,624 posts)I'm sure the altercation stemmed from a dispute involvong handlebar moustaches and Pabst Blue Ribbon.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)take every story with a "grain of salt."
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)This can go on forever
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Translation: He said some racist shit to them and they reacted. Not wise of them, but they reacted.
cali
(114,904 posts)it was criminal and disgusting. Horrific. Unjustifiable.
There is no other way to look at it.
Sometimes I find DU more than a little disturbing.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)that said, whatever he said to the kids doesn't justify a mob beating him into critical condition.
I hope every person who took part in this attack is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
http://newsone.com/2004070/mob-beats-white-man-unconscious-thats-justice-for-trayvon-martin/
-..__...
(7,776 posts)waiting/expecting any witnesses to come forward and identify/name the perps involved.
Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)whereas on the original case the consensus was "string him up".
/this sounds pretty terrible, but I will be consistent and wait on more information.
cali
(114,904 posts)troll to me.
first of all NO ONE here wanted to "string up" George Zimmerman. We wanted him arrested, genius. that was the consensus.
Secondly, I don't need to wait. This is terrible. No matter what this guy said, even if he's a racist pig, it doesn't justify a mob beating.
Now go away.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)that he should be given a fair trial free of jury tampering.
I was told to cut out the kumbaya BS.
So yeah . . .
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:29 AM - Edit history (1)
You claim that "NO ONE here wanted to 'string up' George Zimmerman." If by "string up George Zimmerman" you mean what the poster to whom you were replying probably meant, namely, "see George Zimmerman convicted and sentenced for murder," then lots of people here wanted to "string up" George Zimmerman.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Also funny is how the valid case under judicial review in FL is responded to with false moral equivalencies.
"this sounds pretty terrible..." So did the case of Ashley Todd, the McCain campaign volunteer who claimed she was robbed, pinned to the ground and had the letter 'B' scratched on her face by a Barack Obama supporter.
Sometimes, the obvious can actually be seen with clarity-- but only if we open our eyes...
B2G
(9,766 posts)It is pretty terrible.
All of this violence makes me ill. No matter the color of the perpetrator or the victim.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I dislike violence also.
I also dislike a false moral relevancy being invented do minimize an innocent teenager's death.
One dislike does not deny the other.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Kinda proves my point.
cali
(114,904 posts)Hugabear
(10,340 posts)Figures that we're going to see all sorts of exaggerated stories in the media now.
cali
(114,904 posts)don't want to believe it, doesn't mean it isn't true. what appears to be true is that this guy was very badly beaten. And I don't give a flying rat's turd what the color of a mob is. Mobs SUCK. They are the very worst of humanity. Pink, White, Black Rainbow hued, they all suck.
http://newsone.com/2004070/mob-beats-white-man-unconscious-thats-justice-for-trayvon-martin/
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)when I pointed out that a lot of people didn't believe this you called me a shit stirring troll.
And here you are, pointing out that "over half the people on this thread don't want to believe it".
cali
(114,904 posts)Why yes. I do believe that's it.
I've been a member for years. You've been one for 2 weeks.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)not by . . . the actual validity of that statement.
Weird.
cali
(114,904 posts)not rocket science
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)And I will do the same for you.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Spot on....
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)This was linked on Drudge. Drudge and other right-wing sites routinely love to publish these 'Black-on-White' stories. This should be a local story. The police are looking into this. There isn't any hint of a police coverup here. That is why the Trayvon murder got so much national attention - it wasn't so much the crime itself. If Zimmerman had been arrested and processed through the system, doubtful the story would have made much of a national splash.
cali
(114,904 posts)Sorry, I misinterpreted your post.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Well there's a surprise. Not!
Even more evidence that it's an exaggeration IMO. Drudge has very little credibility, especially when it comes to things like this.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)a group of whites are accused of assaulting and hospitalizing a black man for what they claim was racial justice.
Should that be a national story or quietly dealt with behind the scenes?
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #200)
devilgrrl This message was self-deleted by its author.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth.
And yes, I do think single instance of this sort of thing should get national attention not because it is some horrifying trend that we need to deal with but because it is news that should be covered.
You seem to be looking at the media as being tasked with pushing some narrative. So when I say this ought to be covered you interpret that as "4th law thinks the media should try to convince everyone black people are evil and violent".
When that is clearly not the case.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)Racial violence happens all the time in this country - black-on-white, white-on-black, etc. Very, very few of those cases get national attention, except when those with an agenda decide to make it an issue. The vast majority of these cases are handled at the local level, and rightly so.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Really? You think this sort of thing should be censored because it doesn't fit the narrative you want to push?
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)For example, if someone knocks off a bank or shoots a police officer - those are pretty serious crimes, but rarely make national news.
Who said anything about censorship? You know as well as I do that the media picks and chooses which crimes they want to cover and hype.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)not trivial local crimes like this.
Real crimes, real stories that get to the heart of what this generation is all about.
Stories like moms using facebook to humiliate their daughters: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/newsnation/47162222/
Or one mom's struggle with cubscout pack 109: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/24/opinion/granderson-gay-den-leader/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
Or someone in Brazil accidentally hanging himself: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57420357/brazilian-actor-playing-judas-accidentally-hangs-himself-on-stage/
Ah, real news.
Not some silly little assault that didn't even lead to a death.
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #208)
devilgrrl This message was self-deleted by its author.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)Because THAT is why the Zimmerman case got a lot of national attention. He killed an unarmed black teenager, and if the Sanford Police had their way, the whole thing would have been swept under the rug.
Lilyeye
(1,417 posts)Once again, people MISS the point of why the Martin case became national news. Instead they whine about white people not getting coverage when a black person does something to them. In most of those cases, the person is caught and charged as they should be. I think Cali's original comments about you were spot on.
npk
(3,660 posts)The Trayvon Martin case got mishandled for almost a month before it got national attention. This case in this OP is very different. I agree that if the Zimmerman arrest had come in a reasonable amount of time, as it should have, this case also would have largely remained a local case or at best a regional headline.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)shitty journalism (as in the case of the article cited in the OP) leads to retaliation, prompting more shitty journalism and more retaliation. I'm not sure how realistic that fear is - hope I'm just the "Nervous Nellie" type.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)How lovely.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)I never excused anything.
This was a local story that was hyped by right-wing propaganda sites.
randome
(34,845 posts)All that detail about the weaponry used during a sudden, unprovoked attack. I don't think it happened -at least not the way it's being written.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Turns out she did it herself.
B2G
(9,766 posts)I can't believe this place sometimes.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)by comparing that case of self inflicted injury to this one? Do enlighten me, because I've seen that case referrenced multiple times in this thread.
It would be more honest for people to come right out and say they think he deserved it, rather than to compare it to a situation where severe bodily injury was not inflicted.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The article is very thin on facts. We don't know exactly what happened. When the b-girl story came out, Drudge and other conservative sites were screaming bloody murder....turned out to be total bullshit. Drudge is also pimping this story.
We need more facts to emerge before jumping to conclusions.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)How is that not the parallel being drawn?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)but nobody said he beat himself up and put himself into critical condition. That's totally absurd and a complete misrepresentation.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)between a woman who completely faked an assault on herself and a guy who was assaulted by others and left in the ICU?
Feel free to be specific.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Careful.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)you defended the comparison.
Now justify it.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)This story is also a hoax IMO. Guy got his ass kicked, but it had nothing to do with Trayvon.
Got it?
Now...please do try to hide that slip.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)that is what made it a hoax.
Are you saying this guy did this to himself?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I'm saying the notion that they shouted "this is for Trayvon" is bullshit IMO. It sounds bogus to me, but that's my opinion. You're entitled to your opinion.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)other that both stories seemed "bogus" to you at some point.
Obviously the reason that story was chosen for comparison was to imply this whole thing was fake.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)
Remember to cover that slip!
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Anyway you seem to fall in to the camp of people who have decided this either must be false or if true is acceptable due to the races of those involved.
I really can't get on board with that kind of thinking.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Build 'em up...blow 'em down.
uponit7771
(90,344 posts)...doign nothing to him
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)I'm not buying that.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)first thing I thought of after reading the story was the B girl. I realize the two stories are different, but something about the story about the white guy getting beat up by black guys made me think of it. I think it was that one of the black men supposedly said "Now that's justice for Trayton," which reminded me of the B for Barack Obama the imaginary black guy supposedly carved onto the McCain volunteer's face.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)The Watts and LA riots will look like child's play.
jpak
(41,758 posts)Hence the fairy tale mob of vigilante negros with paint cans and Tavyon justifyingness.
and they prolly inscribed him with a "backwards B" as well.
Bladian
(475 posts)And you're laughing that he's in the hospital in critical condition? God, disgusting.
jpak
(41,758 posts)and enraged parents responded in kind.
and laughing at race baiting BS is OK in my book.
yup
cali
(114,904 posts)that you think that's rofl says lots about you.
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
Codeine
(25,586 posts)This place.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)it means you know exactly what happened. I wonder if you would still be laughing if the races were reversed in this case. It seems violence is acceptable only when it suits your view of the world.
jpak
(41,758 posts)according to reports - he grabbed some "butcher knives" in a "rage" during the confrontation.
Looks like some parents went All Vigilante on him in return.
I hope they all end up in Court.
yup
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Parents are usually protective of their kids, especially when people try to wield butcher knives at them.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)that's the point. I'm not the one laughing at the guy just because i think i know what happened. This case is no laughing matter, regardless of who said what.
jpak
(41,758 posts)and I laugh at race baiting threads
yup
uponit7771
(90,344 posts)...I don't believe that crap for a second.
That in and of itself sounds like he was being the agitator in this situation and I'll take everything else from that perspective.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)Its about time. I mean, if some white dude didn't get beat up by some African Americans in Alabama after as yet not fully disclosed circumstances, who knows if Trayvon would have ever gotten justice for his murder by a white Hispanic male in a Florida. If indeed that phrase was actually uttered, of course.
I mean, the odds are just so astronomically high that justice for a Florida murder would happen without an unrelated Alabama beating of an entirely unrelated person, it just doesn't bear thinking about.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)A white guy gets the crap beaten out of him by a group of AA, but the story is somehow "fishy". Nope, it couldn't have happened. Although the guy is in critical condition in the hospital and there were witnesses who saw the attack.
When are people going to view others beyond the color of their epidermis? There are good and bad people in all races. I don't get this attitude that white people are somehow inherently evil and other races are just too good to do something heinous.
Trayvon Martin was shot by a cop wannabe who should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But how about facing the reality that most AA youths are being killed by other AA youths. That's the real tragedy, a whole generation of young people (mostly young men) are being killed in their teens and 20s.
Where is Obama, Sharpton, Congress, etc. on this issue? Forty young people were shot in Chicago during the course of one weekend in March. Ten of them died, including a 6 year old child. Couldn't they have been Obama's children too? I didn't hear one of them mention the wave of violence that is killing so many young people, particularly in Chicago.
Politicians pander, but where are the real solutions?
SpencerShay
(72 posts)Shorter OP: "Leave George Zimmerman alone! White people are the REAL victims! Black people are WORSE!"
Fuck this racist crap!
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)It's so typical..."Lookee here, a story about BLACK people attacking an innocent white man! How come Al Sharpton ain't protesting this? Where is the NAACP on this?"
How's come there's not a White History Month?
Why ain't there a White Entertainment Channel?
blah blah blah
cali
(114,904 posts)and that appears to be the case, then he is indeed a victim- even if that's uncomfortable for you.
Mobs suck. they always suck. they suck just about more than anything. No matter what fucking color they are.
Hadn't seen the report yet. Yes, he definitely seems like a man who's taken a serious beating.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)There's another story in this thread which details more, but yet doesn't reveal the whole story.
It's possible he wasn't even beaten by a mob and he's just a guy who lost a brutal fight. I'm also highly skeptical of the Trayvon reference, but you're certainly entitled to believe what you want to believe.
We still need more facts at this point. Stop pretending like you were there because you weren't.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)They were acting in self-defense.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)next time he should insist on having a racially diverse group put him in the hospital.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Nobody should be targeted because of their race.
Marr
(20,317 posts)That's how this one feels. Lots of weirdly ambiguous terminology stringing together a very odd narrative.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)but instead of just outrightly saying the story is BS because it involves a white guy allegedly being beaten by a group of black guys, can we at least wait for an investigation? It seems everyone here knows what happened simply because they would like to think that things like this never happen.
Marr
(20,317 posts)It's being pushed by conservative outlets because they see a useful political narrative in it. I'm not saying it didn't happen at all-- he looks like he's been seriously beaten by someone, alright-- and it may well have been exactly they way his sister described it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You and others here are so desperate to tell other posters how they think and feel. Really getting old and boring. This is NOT a trial! It is a discussion board, but the same old garbage keeps getting posted and everyone wants justice to be done. No one is saying what you and a few others are saying.
Sorry, but keep trying!
Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:02 PM - Edit history (1)
There's another link in LBN about this story.
This guy was a piece of work. Seems there has been a lot of trouble in the neighborhood and he's behind some of it.
Before someone accuses me of saying "he deserved it"; I'm saying there is way more to this story than originally reported.
Here's the link from al.com: http://blog.al.com/live/2012/04/tensions_leading_to_beating_of.html
Here's the part about the butcher knives:
“He ran in here and got 2 butcher knives. I said, ‘What are you doing with these?’” he said. “He was in a rage.”
The neighbor said he does not know what Owens did with the knives but added that he does not believe they were a factor in the confrontation with the children or the subsequent beating.
The neighbor said he has friendly relations with black neighbors. But he added that several of the youths have caused problems, defying requests to move their portable basketball goals for motorists.
Quite a bit more at the link. Including the fact that a couple of neighbors closed their doors to what was happening.
edit for typo in the damned subject line. I hate when I do that!
varelse
(4,062 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)story, which includes some comments from the Mayor. Police expect 'one suspect' to turn himself in. But if you listened to the right-wing echo machine, it was a mob of 30.
Still, thanks for posting.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)He addressed the situation in a public statement at the link.
Tuesday, Mayor Jones urged the public to be patient.
"Wait for the facts as far as we’re concerned right now. But, I would caution people to not jump to conclusions right now. This is really very divisive in communities throughout the country, and I don't think we have any reason to be divisive here because I don't see any evidence of that," said Jones.
Jones said he is shocked with the national attention this crime has gotten.
“It’s really been blown out of proportion, and I would just caution people not to be a part of threat,” said Jones.
The only reason it was a Fox link is someone up thread claimed only one media outlet in Mobile was reporting on this.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)was covering this, based on a search I had done on Google at the time. I was subsequently corrected by both you and others, for which I am grateful.
I only meant that the link you provided was not solely the Mayor's response but that his response was part of a larger story. My wording should have been far more precise. Please accept my apologies for my late-nite ramblings.
Thanks again for posting the Fox link. I credited you upthread somewhere in a subsequent post 
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)butcher knives at the children. But, hey, it's just harmless 'fussing' (in case it's needed)
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Why didn't someone do that?
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)on circumstances, can be an imminent threat. Police have on many occasions shot and killed knife brandishers.
I hold no warrant for vigilantism, nor for violations of due process (as my numerous posts about the extra-judicial executions of the Obama regime and the Bush Junta before it make clear).
I think, however, that anyone who was initially just fine with the original report's word choice of Owens' 'fussing' needs to understand that not all 'fussing' is created equal. And that the word choice may clumsily mask a racist, right-wing agenda.
obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)Including mine.
You will get at least two felony charges: brandishing and aggravated assault. I'm sure there's something extra tacked on if it's done to minors, and, depending on the length of the knife, maybe even another felony!
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)And fleshed out a few more details, all those participants would be heroes.
obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)You can't threaten anyone with knives, especially minors, and expect to get away with it. The cops should have been called, but this certainly puts a different spin on the "evil black mob" trope.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts) Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)Sorry about your banning, dude.
