republican sen. john barrasso says keystone pipeline will provide 42,000 new jobs...the lies continue

[spanone]

first video....again, no one challenges him....least of all chuckie todd

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-bill-president-congress-keystone-xl-n279281

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. 42,000 new jobs? Yeah........fixing the fucking leaks and spills!

This guy is deluded or a liar or both.

[spanone]

2. says the keystone pipeline is the first bill they will send to the President.

[onecaliberal]

3. Hopefully POTUS will veto

[deminks]

4. Senator Pushes Keystone XL Pipeline With Egregiously Misleading Statistic

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/04/3607728/barrasso-keystone-xl-42000-jobs/

(snip)

Speaking on Meet the Press on Sunday, Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) told host Chuck Todd that a bill to approve Keystone XL — the pipeline proposal that would send up to 830,000 barrels of Canadian tar sands oil per day down to Gulf Coast refineries — would be the first legislation sent to President Obama’s desk in 2015. And Obama should sign it, Barrasso said, noting that the pipeline would mean 42,000 new jobs.

“Obama’s own State Department said it’s 42,000 new jobs,” Barrasso said. “He’s going to have to decide between jobs and the extreme supporters of not having the pipeline.”

(snip)

Problem is, Barrasso left out all the caveats that the State Department laid out regarding how many jobs Keystone XL would create. The State Department did not say the Keystone XL pipeline would create 42,000 new jobs. Instead, it said the project would “support” 42,000 direct, indirect and induced jobs, 99 percent of which would be temporary, not lasting more than the two years it would take to construct. Once the project is completed, the State Department estimates that the pipeline would only create 35 full-time jobs, and 15 temporary contractors.

(end snip)

Egregiously misleading statistic = lie

[spanone]

5. yep. he lied. it's the only offense the republican party seems to have. lie, lie and then lie again

and mr. todd just let it go right by....cause, as you know, it's not chuck's job to tell us when republicans lie.

[safeinOhio]

6. No problem then

In requiring 20,000 jobs for 3 years in the bill?

[Igel]

10. Provided that this is the case for all infrastructure bills.

If you want to have an infrastructure project that supporters claim will create 500 new jobs in putting in a new bridge or dam or solar plant, be sure to stipulate that the jobs have to continue for 3 years.

We had this fight in 2009 with the jobs from the stimulus. "This will create x thousand of jobs." Then the stink was over how many of them lasted for a few weeks or a few months, with the numbers inflated in some cases because a contractor would formally hire a worker for each contract--and had 2 or 3 contracts, in series, so that one worker would be counted as 2 or 3 jobs. Or each partial job was counted.

We had our number, and really objected to having it claimed to be fictitious, when they said "we" were lying. We had the true way of counting jobs created--the temp jobs created, any jobs created as a result of economic priming, any jobs that would be created from the consequences of new infrastructure. They had theirs: permanent jobs funded by the projects themselves.

Now they use our "true way" of counting and we use theirs. It's the same with CBO analyses: "Between 25,000 and 350,000 jobs were created" becomes either "only 25,000 jobs were created" or "up to 350,000 jobs were created," paraphrased as "350,000 jobs were created" a few days later--depending whose interests are served by the number.

It's like a Monty Python sketch. But one of the not-so-funny ones. It deprives people of information needed to make reasonable, well-informed opinions and decisions.

All such projects should be presented in the way that HR folk would probably look at them: In terms of total man-hours or in terms of FTE + duration of jobs. Anything less is, IMHO, a lie or its father.

[Wellstone ruled]

7. Wow,this guy is for real.

Notice ever time his yap opens out comes the sewage of ALEC or some over paid Lobbyist. This will really stir the SLC Du'ers. All one has to do to see what this Heavy Bitumus Crude does for your local environment,go to Salt Lake City,Utah in the dead of Winter. You just don''t go out doors during one of their so called temperature Inversions. Been there done that,and it isn't pretty. There are four Refineries on the North end of SLC and they now are refining the Heavy Tar Sand Crude coming from the Green River area. Back to Barasso,this guy appears to be another Alan Simpson on the usual Stupid Pills,typical of a State that is under total Rethug control. Always refer to Wyoming as a EPA disaster clean up site. Thankfully Yellowstone and the Teton's are protected areas.

[Fred Sanders]

8. They lie because they know the mass media lets them.

[blkmusclmachine]

9. I don't believe him. Nope.