Was there just a major overnight shift on the DU?

[Omaha Steve]

PETA hasn't exactly been a favorite organization of DUers. Be sure to read both responses.

http://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/petas-response-sarah-palins-facebook-post-son-stepping-family-dog/

PETA’s Response to Sarah Palin’s Facebook Post of Son Stepping on Family Dog

For Immediate Release:
January 2, 2015

It’s odd that anyone—let alone a mother—would find it appropriate to post such a thing, with no apparent sympathy for the dog in the photo. Then again, PETA, along with everyone else, is used to the hard-hearted, seeming obliviousness of this bizarrely callous woman, who actually thought it appropriate to be filmed while turkeys were being slaughtered right behind her in full view of the camera.

For more information, please visit PETA.org. http://www.peta.org/


http://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/petas-response-sarah-palins-second-facebook-post/

PETA’s Response to Sarah Palin’s Second Facebook Post

For Immediate Release:
January 3, 2015

PETA simply believes that people shouldn’t step on dogs, and judging by the reaction that we’ve seen to Sarah Palin’s Instagram photo, we’re far from alone in that belief. Palin’s Facebook response shows us that she knows PETA about as well as she knows geography. Yes, we campaign against the Iditarod because when the dogs aren’t being driven—sometimes to death—most live chained or inside cages for their entire lives. And we’re a vegan organization, so we sit on pleather couches, wear stylish vegan kicks, and consider fish friends, not food. (Also, by the way, we just sent a case of vegan caviar to Vladimir Putin—and no, you can’t see his house from yours, Ms. Palin.) We have no reason to believe that the Palin companion animals aren’t ordinarily pampered, and we wish the entire family a peaceful and humane 2015.

For more information, please visit PETA.org. http://www.peta.org/

[cwydro]

1. Vegan caviar?

What?

[Omaha Steve]

5. Decimated Caspian Sea Nets President Putin a Vegan Caviar Present From PETA

http://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/decimated-caspian-sea-nets-president-putin-vegan-caviar-present-peta/

PETA Encourages President to Protect Animals, the Environment and Citizens' Health by Promoting Plant-Based Delicacies

For Immediate Release:
December 31, 2014

Contact:
Alexis Sadoti 202-483-7382
Moscow – Prompted by reports that the decimated Caspian Sea has led Russia to turn to Vietnamese aquaculture farms to satisfy its citizens’ hunger for caviar, PETA is rushing a case of mouth-watering vegan Cavi-Art to Russian President Vladimir Putin as well as a note pointing out that as a historic exporter of caviar, Russia could bolster its faltering economy and protect depleted sturgeon populations by producing plant-based – and therefore sustainable – versions of the delicacy.

“PETA is encouraging Putin to set Russia on the path to a more secure environment and economy and improved human health in 2015?, says PETA President Ingrid E Newkirk. “With so many healthy and delicious vegan delicacies to choose from, it’s the perfect time to celebrate with fish-friendly food.”

Decimated by over-fishing, sturgeon populations in the Caspian Sea – the natural home of these sensitive, intelligent fish – have dipped dangerously low, prompting some caviar producers in Russia and around the world to switch to industrialised aquaculture farms, which are often filthy, enclosures in which fish are condemned to swimming through their own waste and can suffer from rampant parasites and diseases. Female sturgeon, who feel pain and fear as all animals do, are often cut open while they are still alive so that the eggs can be ripped from their ovaries.

PETA, whose motto reads, in part, that “animals are not ours to eat, … use for entertainment, or abuse in any other way”, is also calling on Putin to prohibit the capture of orcas in Russian waters and work with marine-mammal experts to rehabilitate and release the orcas caught and held captive in recent years.

For more information, please visit PETA.org. http://www.peta.org/

[cwydro]

7. But

how can there be such a thing as vegan caviar?

It's fish eggs.

[Omaha Steve]

8. Black Seaweed Caviar, etc....

http://www.rakuten.com/prod/black-seaweed-caviar-2-oz/242093451.html?listingId=244980120&sclid=pla_google_Pastacheese&adid=29963&ds_e_ad_type=pla&gclid=CjwKEAiA5qOlBRDAn8K5qen65joSJADRvlbqODGqnbSu_doACKv-FtbOtWCFzL624QJkwu2TUgYKmRoCtHTw_wcB

[cwydro]

9. Ok,

blech...

[NuclearDem]

20. Just about everything can be simulated with vegan ingredients.

[Ms. Toad]

22. simulated, being the key word.

Regardless of what they call those black seaweed balls, they aren't caviar.

[Enthusiast]

25. All of the sudden they will wonder where the sturgeon went.

Oops, too late.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. It is really hard to argue with "people shouldn’t step on dogs".

Whatever else you might think about PETA, they are simply right about this issue.

Palin revels in being a disgusting grotesque person.

[aikoaiko]

3. People, even small kids, shouldn't step on dogs, but I'm also glad he didn't eat the dog.

PETA are still asshats for the most part.

[Lex]

19. They haven't eaten the dog YET

to be more precise.

[Terra Alta]

4. I don't like PETA, but they are right about this.

Kids shouldn't be stepping on dogs. Period. And Palin is a huge asshat.

[Rex]

6. She is raising that child to be one fine example of a real republican!

Instead of making the dog move, climb up on it's back instead. So when Little Twig is Big Twig and he steps up on a dog and crushes it's ribcage...will Momma Fuckup show that cutsie pie picture too? Because she is all about wisdom and knowledge donchaknow!

I bet she will blame the dog.

[Trillo]

29. I was thinking something similar, though the Republican truth hadn't yet occurred.

Basically, as a mother, she is teaching her child that cruelty to animals is okay. Since humans are also animals (Kingdom:Animalia), she is teaching her child to be cruel to humans.

It's amazing and saddening to watch the cruelty of one generation get passed to the next, and to in turn, mess all the rest of us up through the chaotic node of the flapping of butterfly wings.

[Warpy]

10. The stupid woman just lacks both filters and boundaries

A photo like that one might be cute to other family members who know both the kid and the incredibly patient doggy, but it will always be interpreted differently by complete strangers.

This could be the first time he problem solved, trying to see over that counter. It could be a milestone and that dog is likely the best member of that family.

Palin still doesn't know any of this stuff. She's a walking, babbling PR disaster, as the McCain people found out just a little too late on the campaign trail.

PETA's response is uncharacteristically mild.

[Stardust]

34. As John Cleese says, She's too stupid to know how stupid she is.

[cwydro]

11. He needs to get off the damn dog!

Period.

[peacebird]

12. The child is using a dog as a step stool?? Really?

I am at a loss for appropriate words.... Except John McCain foisted this grifter and her family on the American people and gave them prominance there is no way they earned simply because the old fool liked her looks.

[riqster]

13. Stopped clocks and all that.

[PowerToThePeople]

14. Even in Alaska, the kid should be able to find one of these

[Jim Beard]

33. Or pull out a drawer LOL

My younger sister got tired of us older ones to get her a drink so she figured out how to pull out the drawers closest to the sink and get her own drink. I think there was an issue with dirt scraped from her shoes in those drawers but we were farm kids and grew up on dirt and cow manure.

[Art_from_Ark]

44. Or one of these

[Warren DeMontague]

15. PETA sometimes has a point. Treating all life decently and with compassion is important.

...on some issues they are spot-on, and for all their terrible PR they have some good PR too.



However, sometimes- like everyone particularly overcommited to a particular belief system, ideology, or lens through which to view reality, they or some of their membership sometimes has a tendency to go overboard, and see the universe in black and white instead of shades of grey.

When PETA is more worried about the rats in Manhattan than the people, they have a problem. And not everyone agrees that viruses=chickens=dogs=people, from an ethical standpoint.

That said, on issues like the circus (above) and factory farming, etc. they are often correct and do a useful service in bringing such matters to light.

[Omaha Steve]

17. She has a great part in The Newsroom

And her guy is my favorite quarterback.





Aaron Rodgers and Olivia Munn
Photo: GC Images

[Warren DeMontague]

18. She's awesome. A lot of my favorite Hollywood peeps are PETA people.

My problem is when they (PETA) go into black and white thinking. And it is in those areas that I think their PR can be counterproductive, even if it gets attention- sort of how greenpeace didnt do themselves any favors by mucking up the nazca lines.

I actually LIKE tofurkey, for one, but it is never going to universally replace actual turkey at thanksgiving. Etc.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

16. I was a paid member in the past. Long since lapsed,

but I've never been as averse as most of DU. I do think PETA has a lot of messaging issues, relying on 'shock' tactics that often turn off those who would otherwise be useful allies in their causes, and leave them open to having their message turned into mockery by the media. I think they do their best work when they're more educational, rather than confrontational.

[Jim Beard]

31. This is what I have been saying about the tactics being used and

used against my party. To further explain, I want to cite the current demonstrations about the police and their assault on the disadvantaged. What we need to see more of is the protesters STOPPING the looters like I have heard of on one occasion. I have recollections of the 1960's riots that marred civil rights demonstrations with the burning of Detroit, Waytts and others. The thugs got the press coverage and they multiplied. After that Nixon won the Democratic south for 8 years with Ford serving 4, Carter only 4 with Reagan & Nixon netting the next 12 years. The Democrats only had 4 years of the next 30 years after the riots.

You bet we need to correct what is wrong but lets do it so we will win all the way around.


I feel the same way about the Police Union. I'm Democrat and want to help unions because I feel they help the average worker. Now they are biting the hand that feeds them, the Democratic voter. If they lose the Democratic Union supporters, they only have the republican anti union people left. They need to understand that.

So does the other side.

Be aware that FOX News is waiting around every corner to get the perfect framing on their lead photo to use against us.

Lets not give them any more propaganda material that necessary!

[NuclearDem]

21. I'm vegan, and I still find PETA to be too often tasteless in their messaging.

They're absolutely right on this, though.

[Ms. Toad]

23. Seriously? We're supposed to change our belief

that using a dog as a stool is a bad things merely because an organization much of DU doesn't like agrees with us?

[Jackpine Radical]

30. Now, if we can get Putin & Netanyahu to diss dog standing,

Twig's stock will shoot up around here like a Roman candle.

[Enthusiast]

26. I understand your points.

[Tom Ripley]

27. ???

[trumad]

35. you don't stand on a fucking Dog...

That's my point of view....what I should be nice to you because you have a different view?

Fuck that.

[LeftyMom]

39. Special needs kids generally need MORE consistency

because they can't generally get a good handle on subtleties and exceptions.

But when any kid does something stupid and dangerous (and standing on even the most patient dog is stupid and dangerous,) you don't laugh or take pictures, you correct the dangerous situation calmly, firmly and absolutely immediately.

[liberal_at_heart]

40. My autistic son was around 7 yrs old when my husband brought home his guide dog.

The guide dog was still getting to know where he fit into our "pack" and thought he could play really rough with our son. The dog thought he out ranked our son. We had to teach the dog he did not out rank our son, but we also taught our autistic son how to behave around the dog so he could be safe. It does take patience, but you are right. When we saw our son doing something dangerous we would immediately correct the situation even if the only thing we could do was separate him from the dog. Palin should have at the very least gently removed her son from the dog and certainly should not have posted a photo.

[doc03]

28. Oh for christsake dogs are tough if it was hurting him he would have gotten

up or bit the kid.

[Jim Beard]

32. Not to mention that the kid has special needs with Down Syndrome.

It is very very rare that I get that usual mischievous grin that you get almost all the time with little boys from my Autistic son. I try cherish these moments and the one and only time he has on his own put his arms up to give me a hug.

So please, special needs is a fine line.

I hate Rick Santorium but he was a key sponsor of Autisum legislation in the senate that created more funds and special programs for the disadvantaged.

There are pleanty of other things we can argue about.

[trumad]

36. oh Fuck Rick Santorum

I don't care if he cured cancer. The Mother Fucker can burn in hell.

[MadDAsHell]

41. You seem like a pleasant individual. nt

[trumad]

45. oh I'm very pleasant...

Except when it comes to homophobic, science denying, douchebags like Santorum.

Fuck Santorum.

[Jim Beard]

43. Didn't say I liked him but he did do good in this area.

Ted Kennedy co sponsored legislation all the time.

I think Santorum is a turd head but he did sponsor some things that I am grateful for.

[trumad]

37. really

Stepping on an animal is ok with you.

[Jim Beard]

42. Like another person said

the dog will teach the boy when he it has gone too far. Dogs very definitely treat children differently. I can remember a few times of me or my sibilings playing with our dogs but they let us know when to stop. A growl , snarl or a snap is all it takes to send the message. It does depend on the age of the child too.

Did I say it was OK to step on a dog? But have you ever had someone walk on your back for medical reasons? Why do you think it is OK to step on dogs?

I was commenting on the boy having Down Syndrome and you need to treat them differently from other kids. With Autism, there are some things you have to let slide or you will be constantly scolding the child. Also they have a problem communicating because to them facing us and our talking is confusing because they see us as watching a poorly dubbed movie. They have difficulty understanding emotion.

The Autism spectrum is wide. Some are simply loners but can speak without any problems, my grandson is partially verbal.

You really are an inconsiderate person. Maybe a good nights rest will give good results.

[trumad]

46. what are you a dog whisperer?

You comparing someone walking on my back to a human walking on a dogs back.

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch!

[LadyHawkAZ]

38. the fact that they had a broken clock moment

doesn't make PETA relevant.