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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:24 PM Jan 2015

Forbidden Love: The Sex Scandal behind a Renaissance masterpiece

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Madonna and Child with Two Angels by Filippo Lippi, 1465, Uffizi, Florence.

Matched in sweetness and humanist rendering of the Madonna in a natural setting only by Leonardo’s Virgin of the Rocks (London version), and an elegant representation of a woman’s veil that would later be so admiringly adopted by Botticelli, this painting also features one of the most engaging angels in Renaissance art. So much invites the eye of the viewer, it is surprising for us to see the Christ child presented with the face of an adult (a style common for its time, but abandoned later in the Renaissance).

Lippi, an orphaned child, was admitted into a Carmelite order of monks at age 16. Safe to say that Lippi was bad at being a monk. He defied the vow of celibacy, indulging his considerable appetite for sex, upsetting the moral strictures of his order and, most worrisome, distracting him from producing his wondrous religious art. So much so that Cosimo de’Medici (very strongly his patron) found it necessary to lock him in a studio so that he would finish his work.

Although he was permitted to leave the monastery in order to work, he was forbidden to leave the order. But money spent on prostitutes and other amorous expenses left Lippi broke and constantly seeking commissions.

In 1453, another Florentine monk, Fra Angelico, turned down the commission to paint frescoes in the Duomo at Prato. The work was offered to and accepted by Lippi, and he relocated from Florence to nearby Prato to undertake the assignment.

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Frescoes in the Duomo, Prato. Fra Lippo Lippi. 1452-1465

It was in Prato that Lippi encountered Lucrezia Buti. At the time she was a beautiful 17 year old novitiate in the Convent of Santa Margherita, placed there by her family due to financial woes and her lacking a dowry. Lippi, who had been ensconced as the Convent’s chaplain, convinced the mother superior to allow Lucrezia to model as the Virgin Mary for another commission he was painting (and for his duomo frescoes as Salome). He then abducted her and refused to return her to the convent. She became pregnant and a scandal ensued. But since the pope knew of Lippi’s great talent in producing beautiful art to enhance the Church’s status, he granted dissolution of their religious vows (a kind of papal “Va bene!” as long as he continued painting.). They had two children together. Their son, Filippino Lippi, would become a great painter in his own right.

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detail of fresco of Salome

The current structure of the Duomo dates from the Romanesque period of the 12th century. Prato’s duomo is remarkable for its facing of white albarese stone and green marble (typical materials of Prato until the 15th century) and its signature external balcony created by Donatello and Michelozzi between 1428 and 1438.

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Cathedrale di Santo Stefano

The balcony is on the exterior of the Capella della Sacra Cintola, Chapel of the Holy Sash, the green belt of the Virgin, said to have been handed to St. Thomas at the moment of her assumption into heaven. Every September 8, the feast day of the Virgin, crowds gather at the Duomo’s piazza where the bishop displays the tightly preserved sash from the balcony.

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The façade has a single central portal with a lintelled doorway surmounted by a Gothic arch. In the lunette over the door is a glazed terracotta sculpture by Andrea della Robbia depicting the Madonna with Saints Stephen and Lawrence.

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Madonna col Bambino e i Santi Stefano e Lorenzo (1489) by Andrea della Robbia

Although only about one-half hour by train from Florence, Prato is a city few Americans visit and it is a shame. But I think they don’t for the same reason I didn’t when I was there for an art intensive in 2010: there is simply not enough time to see the staggering volume of masterpieces of Florence to afford a day trip to Prato.

So I guess this means I will just have to return to Italy and do so....and also eat some of the fabled Pratese almond cantuccini...

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Forbidden Love: The Sex Scandal behind a Renaissance masterpiece (Original Post) CTyankee Jan 2015 OP
Thank you! CherokeeDem Jan 2015 #1
You are so welcome! Glad I can help feed your art interest. CTyankee Jan 2015 #2
+1000 catbyte Jan 2015 #9
Many colleges and universities okasha Jan 2015 #33
My dear CTyankee! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #3
Yep, well, who knows what that Pope was up to...but I'm glad he was so, um, gracious CTyankee Jan 2015 #4
Great stuff... annabanana Jan 2015 #5
Thank you! What a delight to read...all this was news to me. n/t radhika Jan 2015 #6
This is why I love art history...full of such great stuff! CTyankee Jan 2015 #14
Robert Browning: panader0 Jan 2015 #7
Thank you. I will go back and read that. Another aspect of this marvelous art! CTyankee Jan 2015 #12
I heard about that in Art History class in college. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #8
what school was this? If it was religious, it might have been a problem, altho I CTyankee Jan 2015 #10
It was a large state school. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #11
I atually love those Gothic cathedrals! I really got into them for a bit. What a great CTyankee Jan 2015 #20
Thanks for yet another wonderful art history lesson. Skidmore Jan 2015 #13
Oh, the Pratese are really proud of their cantucci! It's like "you can't get this anywhere CTyankee Jan 2015 #16
That Madonna (first picture) is so transcendentally modern. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #15
well, there's the early Renaissance for you. More humanistic renderings of the Madonna CTyankee Jan 2015 #17
well this was just a damn fine post... dhill926 Jan 2015 #18
Hey, thank YOU for stopping by! CTyankee Jan 2015 #19
yes I do…. dhill926 Jan 2015 #28
I second that! calimary Jan 2015 #23
thanks so much! Yes, art always saves you! But you knew that, didn't you? CTyankee Jan 2015 #27
Yes indeed! calimary Jan 2015 #29
Thank you. blogslut Jan 2015 #21
It is said that art always saves you and I think that is true. CTyankee Jan 2015 #22
After an extraordinary difficult day, your post is food for the soul. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #24
Oh, it makes me feel good that you are helped by this thread...I am sorry you have CTyankee Jan 2015 #25
Peace and love to you, too. Thanks for the kind words. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #26
Sounds like the "artist's date" that Julia Cameron endorsed so vigorously in "The Artist's Way." calimary Jan 2015 #36
I started doing art research as an act of desperation. CTyankee Jan 2015 #39
Great stuff, yank! elleng Jan 2015 #30
thanks for dropping by! CTyankee Jan 2015 #34
Got here late, elleng Jan 2015 #48
I really want to see Selma... CTyankee Jan 2015 #53
It is a fine movie, yank, elleng Jan 2015 #59
Fascinating. I saw this painting in Florence 13 months ago and didnt know the back story stevenleser Jan 2015 #31
The panel painting is in the Uffizi which is where you saw it... CTyankee Jan 2015 #35
I love Florence and Rome. I had done the trip three years ago and my current SO stevenleser Jan 2015 #38
Let me know about any trip to Florence...I developed a little chart of where some of CTyankee Jan 2015 #40
Wow, thank you! If we do it again I will definitely reach out! stevenleser Jan 2015 #41
Book me now! And many thanks. JohnnyLib2 Jan 2015 #32
Well, hope all is well with you... CTyankee Jan 2015 #37
Sorry, I had clicked the wrong thumb! JohnnyLib2 Jan 2015 #49
I may have to go back to Italy too after reading your post! Avalux Jan 2015 #42
Meet you there and we'll go eat cantucci with our espresso... CTyankee Jan 2015 #43
It's a date! Avalux Jan 2015 #44
Oh, so many Italians make their own wine from a litle vinyard they tend in the back of their house. CTyankee Jan 2015 #45
I thought you were going to say that puckish little angel holding up the podgy little Jesus... Hekate Jan 2015 #46
I love that story about you in the Getty! Isn't it a marvelous place? CTyankee Jan 2015 #54
are you familiar with browning's poem about lippo lippi? NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #47
wonderful. Thank you so much. I hope you do this again. :D roguevalley Jan 2015 #50
I do these art essays a couple of times a month, on Fridays at 5 pm EST... CTyankee Jan 2015 #52
I'll have to remember to check back in. Frank Cannon Jan 2015 #60
I cannot tell you how many people have said what you did about your art history CTyankee Jan 2015 #68
Kick! burrowowl Jan 2015 #51
Fantastic! Thanks! Nt PCIntern Jan 2015 #55
Next up is Goya. Lots of people are big fans of his works and his fascinating back CTyankee Jan 2015 #56
What a romantic story! Demeter Jan 2015 #57
They never married. I wonder why they didn't... CTyankee Jan 2015 #58
I looked it up Demeter Jan 2015 #61
There is a historical novel about their affair entitled The Miracles of Prato by CTyankee Jan 2015 #64
Thank you, CTyankee !! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #62
This is lovely, Tuesday Afternoon! I like the warmly lit heart of this painting and its detail. CTyankee Jan 2015 #65
Fascinating story Generic Other Jan 2015 #63
Well, we have to come together about something, don't we? CTyankee Jan 2015 #66
Dude was a real horndog, eh? tabasco Jan 2015 #67
Sounds kinda like that, doesn't it? CTyankee Jan 2015 #69
It just struck me that artists and musicians were the athletes back when... stevenleser Jan 2015 #70
well, the artists were in the employ of the church which is why the pope didn't want CTyankee Jan 2015 #72
Thank you so much for this post. Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #71
Thanks! I enjoyed it. Please let me know if you have any questions...I'm no expert CTyankee Jan 2015 #73

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
1. Thank you!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jan 2015

This art is stunning and the story behind the artist fascinating. I love art but know little of its history, I was a science major and took music appreciation instead of art appreciation. I need to take a class.

I love your posts and look forward to them!

Thanks again.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
2. You are so welcome! Glad I can help feed your art interest.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jan 2015

I very much love the early Italian Renaissance. I got hooked on that period first and then couldn't stop with my art addiction.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,615 posts)
3. My dear CTyankee!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jan 2015

Ah, it must be Friday!

And here is your wonderful post on these amazing works and the artists. I always enjoy your posts so much, and today is no exception.

How lucky for us that the Pope allowed this amazing painter to continue painting and having sex! The world benefits when artists get to make their art.

K&R

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
4. Yep, well, who knows what that Pope was up to...but I'm glad he was so, um, gracious
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jan 2015

about the whole thing!

Lippi had a major influence on Botticelli, who actually was one of his apprentices. That head piece on the Madonna is exquisite and you can now look at Botticelli's wispy fabrics in a new light!

panader0

(25,816 posts)
7. Robert Browning:
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 07:45 PM
Jan 2015

Fra Lippo Lippi (poem)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Fra Lippo Lippi is an 1855 dramatic monologue written by the Victorian poet Robert Browning. Throughout this poem, Browning depicts a 15th-century real-life painter, Filippo Lippi. The poem asks the question whether art should be true to life or an idealized image of life. The poem is written in blank verse, non-rhyming iambic pentameter.

A secondary theme of the dramatic monologue is the Church's influence on art. Although Fra Lippo paints real life pictures, it is the Church that requires him to redo much of it, instructing him to paint the soul, not the flesh. (Paint the soul, never mind the legs and arms!). Aside from the theme of the Church and its desires to change the way holiness is represented artistically, this poem also attempts to construct a way of considering the secular with the religious in terms of how a "holy" person can conduct his life. Questions of celibacy, church law, and the canon are considered as well by means of secondary characters

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
12. Thank you. I will go back and read that. Another aspect of this marvelous art!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jan 2015

I love the way it keeps on creating other art, in this case literature!

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
8. I heard about that in Art History class in college.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jan 2015

The professor, Dr. Peter Wolfgang Guenther, explained about Fra Filippo Lippi and the beautiful young nun who was his model, and they produced Fra Filippino Lippi, who was also a great painter. We only heard the bare bones of the story. He didn't tell us that Fra Filippo, uh, liked women a whole lot in the first place.

Thanks, CTYankee, for filling in with more details!!! Fascinating!!!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
10. what school was this? If it was religious, it might have been a problem, altho I
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jan 2015

didn't have a problem with my Roman Catholic College with frank discussions of religion when I was getting my Master's.

I just love the back story on these two. It's a great tale. It shows up the folly of committing kids at a young age to religious orders because the families couldn't support all of them...the church had a place for them...kinda convenient...

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
11. It was a large state school.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:16 PM
Jan 2015

University of Houston, with about 25,000 students when I went there. We discussed a lot of Gothic cathedrals. No doctrinal discussions.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
13. Thanks for yet another wonderful art history lesson.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jan 2015

Wonderfully detailed and packed with information, as usual. Now I'm off to see if I can find a recipe for those tasty looking sweets.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
16. Oh, the Pratese are really proud of their cantucci! It's like "you can't get this anywhere
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jan 2015

else!" But do try to find cantucci. If you have an Italian market (we have several in New Haven...I am blessed), you will probably be able to find them. If not, well, try for the recipe. Good luck...you are brave...!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
17. well, there's the early Renaissance for you. More humanistic renderings of the Madonna
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jan 2015

and the saints. They become real people in real time, not static and frozen as with the Gothic era that preceded them.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
19. Hey, thank YOU for stopping by!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:39 PM
Jan 2015

Hope you'll look for my essays again. I do a few each month on whatever art subject I'm engrossed in at the time. It's fun!

Do you like art?

calimary

(81,264 posts)
23. I second that!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:15 PM
Jan 2015

Studio art major - so I spent most of my college years either "painting" crazy "process pieces" (we had a pretty wild and iconoclastic art department and some real rebels among the painterly class) or playing radio at the campus FM station - where students ran the whole operation from janitorial to prime time jock to general manager-type. I LOVE these journeys into the "behind the canvas" back-stories, if you will. It just so magnificently enriches the image. Gives it life! Pumps the bloodstream of that piece, sparks its heartbeat, and inflates its lungs. F-A-S-C-I-N-A-T-I-N-G!!!! Reminds me of this fellow who founded "Artforum" magazine, Phil Leider and his art history class that was The BEST. So glad I was an art major because then I HAD TO be able to take the class, and it was so popular you'd wind up on a waiting list more often than you'd actually get in. My favorite! Especially when you got a chance to consider the "other" back-story - what was going on historically, culturally, economically, including conquests, invasions, migrations, and whatever else might have impacted that time.

http://www.baroquepotion.com/2008/03/partial-recall-phil-leider/

Everything this guy says - I second that, too! Damn, I loved that art history class. Even though I sometimes dozed off in the dark theater hall during slide presentations. Usually had spent way too much time up too late at the radio station the night before. It was this huge hall, and it was always standing room only. And there weren't THAT many visual arts majors on campus at the time. But that place was always packed. He brought two-dimensional art ALIVE! Blew it up like a blow-up doll that you could have mental orgasms with! (sorry...)

And so does CTYankee, here - once again! Huzzah! DAYUM we need stuff like this, CTYankee. What a much-needed break. Particularly on a day as grim as this one! Thank you sincerely!!! I feel like celebrating - even if only for a moment!



I guess humankind can't be all bad - if it comes up with stuff like this, 'eh? Our art can be our salvation, AND our redemption - both the creating and the describing of it. Maybe there's STILL reason enough not to lose hope.

Crap, CTYankee - and then you follow it all up with that biscuit of great beauty! Mustn't forget that last photo, either! That, too, is a work of art and I'll bet it tastes like one!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
27. thanks so much! Yes, art always saves you! But you knew that, didn't you?
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:27 PM
Jan 2015

Never, ever forget that. I have found that when I am at my lowest point I hear a little voice that says "Go to your art" and I do and all is well.

Funny, that, isn't it?

calimary

(81,264 posts)
29. Yes indeed!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:34 PM
Jan 2015

And at the moment I hear my beads calling. But I love writing too damn much to get off my lazy backside tonight. It's been quite a day.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
22. It is said that art always saves you and I think that is true.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jan 2015

This is a moment in time. And it is good.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
24. After an extraordinary difficult day, your post is food for the soul.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:17 PM
Jan 2015

I look forward to stopping in on Fridays to see what loveliness you've come up with. Thanks!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
25. Oh, it makes me feel good that you are helped by this thread...I am sorry you have
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jan 2015

had such trouble!

I'll have another soon...maybe two weeks. I'm feeling creative. Plus, I've just been to a great art museum, the MFA in Boston. Talk about food for the soul.

Thanks for reaching out. I am sorry you had such a difficult day.

Peace and love...

calimary

(81,264 posts)
36. Sounds like the "artist's date" that Julia Cameron endorsed so vigorously in "The Artist's Way."
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jan 2015

Subtitled "A Spiritual Path to Higher Creativity."

http://juliacameronlive.com/books-by-julia/the-artists-way-a-spiritual-path-to-higher-creativity/

Hey, guys - especially on this kind of day that ended this kind of week - maybe we all need an "artist's date." To feed and quench and renew and reinvigorate the soul. Seriously. After THIS particular day. We'll need that re-start for the battles ahead. Do something artsy-fartsy, or crafty, or whimsical, or luxurious and impractical, or downright hilarious. Do something nice for yourself, something pretty, something tasty, something soothing, something indulgent. For me, a good cream pie in the face sounds good. Maybe some of it will get into the mouth, too, to double the pleasure! Or a cup of hot cocoa. Even if it's only for the spirit.

Besides, if it weren't the terrorism in France this week, it would be all-republi-CONS-all-the-time. I turned to my husband at one point, marveling rather sardonically at the profoundly horrific events, and said "gee, the magnitude of this story means nobody's had time to keep dumping on President Obama?!" It's just been such a heavy lift.

I just savor threads like this. It's like a little mini-vacation.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
39. I started doing art research as an act of desperation.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jan 2015

My husband had just had back surgery and I suddenly became a caregiver. When he was napping in the afternoon, I went to the library and decided I needed a project to occupy my mind. I decided on the early italian renaissance and then started pulling art books out of the shelves and reading them. It became a bigger obsession and I branched out to other eras and styles of art. It has been my dearest obsession ever since.

elleng

(130,901 posts)
48. Got here late,
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 11:05 PM
Jan 2015

saw Selma today so am happy to have this with which to absorb myself.

(Weird to think of what's happened in Paris, isn't it?)

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
53. I really want to see Selma...
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jan 2015

sounds like a very fine movie and one I'd enjoy.

Paris right now is just tragic. I understand it in terms of the politics of rage, but it appalls and sickens me...so I go back to great art...

I finally saw the Goya exhibit at the MFA this past week in Boston! Outstanding! I took careful notes and will be doing an essay which I will post here, probably in a couple of weeks. Goya is fabulous. Went with my dtr and 19 year old granddaughter! I gave her a little tutorial in the car on the way to the museum and she was pretty receptive. I told her that now she could "sit at the big girls' table." She actually liked the exhibit and made some interesting comments! I was so pleased!

elleng

(130,901 posts)
59. It is a fine movie, yank,
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jan 2015

and wrenching.

Happy to hear your pleasure at your granddaughter's interest. I'm happy to hear of my grandsons' 'playing' 'piano,' and enjoying songmaking of favorite Irish singer of his parents! (1 year old, and 6 months old!)

Here's an image of Toledo, by El Greco, with Goya 'view,' as I recall him and it in 1957.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
35. The panel painting is in the Uffizi which is where you saw it...
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:44 PM
Jan 2015

I remember the Sala so well. I had planned my trip to Florence (10 day intensive) and made a list of what I wanted to see and where it was in the Uffizi (I had a book that listed everything I needed to know!).

Don't worry. I was well armed with my research and ready to go!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
38. I love Florence and Rome. I had done the trip three years ago and my current SO
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jan 2015

hadn't been so... I happily did it again! I could do it again every 2-3 years for 500 years if I lived that long and never get sick of it!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
40. Let me know about any trip to Florence...I developed a little chart of where some of
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jan 2015

the lesser know stuff in Florence is located, near to what all the tourists see. It's great stuff...hidden treasures a lot of tourists don't know about and miss. I walked all over Florence, so happy and free. Some places had no one in them and I was all alone...remarkable art that you never hear about in the travel guides...I tell people it's good for "bragging rights" if for nothing else. But do it for yourself. You'll be so happy...

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
42. I may have to go back to Italy too after reading your post!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jan 2015

I love the story, and how you put it all together. Thank you for a nice treat!

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
44. It's a date!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jan 2015

I know I've only visited, but I am homesick for Italy right now. Remind me to tell you about Ferdenando, the little old man with the corner food shop who made his own wine. Best time ever!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
45. Oh, so many Italians make their own wine from a litle vinyard they tend in the back of their house.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jan 2015

So charming and dear!

Hekate

(90,683 posts)
46. I thought you were going to say that puckish little angel holding up the podgy little Jesus...
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jan 2015

....was the love child of Lippi and Lucrezia. He's so full of life, and Baby Jesus is so...podgy. Lucrezia as the Madonna is absolutely gorgeous. Why anyone would immure her in a convent is beyond me, dowry or no. Yet she and he would never have met if both their parents had not done so. History is full of ironies.

Thank you for yet another wonderful episode in Art History, with emphasis on both Art and History.

Yesterday 3 friends and I drove down to the Getty Museum in Los Angeles (2 hours each way) to view the magnificent Reubens tapestries on the theme of the Triumph of the Eucharist. Those things are enormous. The informational plaques were good, but they skipped over some of the iconography. Medusa being run over by a chariot was defined as representing Heresy, but though I saw two representations of the Snake biting its tail (one as a hoop in a joyful scene and one as Ourobouros encircling the globe) I still don't know what it meant to Roman Catholics in Reuben's era.

Then my librarian friend and I peeled off to look at the illuminated manuscripts and I practically had to be asked to leave due to excessive drooling (joke, joke). I so want those in my library. I mean really -- we are talking about a lifelong fantasy.

Have a happy new year, CTYankee!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
54. I love that story about you in the Getty! Isn't it a marvelous place?
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 08:33 AM
Jan 2015

My daughter lives in West Hollywood and I literally re-planned a visit there so I wouldn't miss the Getty's exhibition of the bust of Costanza by Bernini, a rare loan from the Bargello! What a great back story to that piece of sculpture (I did an essay on it here a few months ago (another tale of forbidden love and its tragic consequences). Here it is from last May http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024902041

As fate would have it, I got to see her again when I was on my art intensive to Florence, altho she was locked in a closet due to a guard being out sick that day. I wheedled (in the best Italian I could muster!) the floor guard into opening the closet and letting us peek inside and she opened it for us! We kinda attracted some others nearby who were curious as to what on earth was going on. I kinda laid it on thick...so I can understand your situation in the Getty perfectly!

edit to add: some art historians believe the Christ child in the painting is little Filippino, or at least him with a more solemn face. It makes for a cool story...

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
47. are you familiar with browning's poem about lippo lippi?
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 10:38 PM
Jan 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fra_Lippo_Lippi_(poem)

The Prior and the learned pulled a face

And stopped all that in no time. "How? what's here?

Quite from the mark of painting, bless us all!

Faces, arms, legs, and bodies like the true

As much as pea and pea! it's devil's-game!

Your business is not to catch men with show,

With homage to the perishable clay,

But lift them over it, ignore it all,

Make them forget there's such a thing as flesh.

Your business is to paint the souls of men—

Man's soul, and it's a fire, smoke . . . no, it's not . . .

It's vapour done up like a new-born babe—

(In that shape when you die it leaves your mouth)

It's . . . well, what matters talking, it's the soul!

Give us no more of body than shows soul!

Here's Giotto, with his Saint a-praising God,

That sets us praising—why not stop with him?

Why put all thoughts of praise out of our head

With wonder at lines, colours, and what not?

Paint the soul, never mind the legs and arms...!

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/poem/173011

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
52. I do these art essays a couple of times a month, on Fridays at 5 pm EST...
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 08:01 AM
Jan 2015

I'm starting to write my next one now so I can do further research and let them cook in my brain a bit...the process is a lot of fun for me...

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
60. I'll have to remember to check back in.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jan 2015

Thanks for doing this. This was fun.

I loved and miss the Art History courses I took in college. Never failed to be fascinating.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
68. I cannot tell you how many people have said what you did about your art history
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jan 2015

course. My husband, who was in the social sciences, still reminisces about a paper he did as a sophomore in such a class he took as an elective and wound up loving. His paper was about the differences in Florentine and Siennese painting. That was in the 1960s! But he still talks about it...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
56. Next up is Goya. Lots of people are big fans of his works and his fascinating back
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jan 2015

story. Just went to an exhibit at the MFA that included some of privately owned Goyas, which goes back to the owners after the show closes...so I knew I had a tight window to see them. I feel grateful.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
61. I looked it up
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jan 2015

the historians think one of her angry relatives poisoned him before the Pope's permission arrived...

Although, given the state of public health and food, he could have died from not-intentional causes....

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
64. There is a historical novel about their affair entitled The Miracles of Prato by
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jan 2015

Laurie Albanese and Laura Morowitz. I think one was an art historian and the other a fiction writer and they collaborated on this book. I did read it when it came out 7 or 8 years ago. Worth a read since it moves fast. But I'm not sure they mentioned his death.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
62. Thank you, CTyankee !!
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jan 2015

regarding frescoes ... Not anywhere nearly as splendid but, you might find interesting ...

Treasures for the Ages
During the 1970s, internationally renowned fresco artist Ben Long created magnificent enduring works in two small antique churches in Ashe County. Each is significant to the Christian community. His first frescoes were done in Saint Mary’s Episcopal Church on the southwestern edge of West Jefferson. There you can see his images Mary Great with Child, John the Baptist, and The Mystery of Faith. This was followed a few years later with a life-size depiction of The Last Supper at Holy Trinity Episcopal Church in Glendale Springs.


The Last Supper


more at link =
http://ashefrescoes.org/

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
65. This is lovely, Tuesday Afternoon! I like the warmly lit heart of this painting and its detail.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jan 2015

It shows you that there is a hunger for art and that people will come to experience it spiritually, which is why there is such great art of the early Italian Renaissance in the first place.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
63. Fascinating story
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:31 PM
Jan 2015

I really enjoy how you elevate the conversation around here!

What a scandalous story. Imagine being sent to a convent because your family couldn't come up with a dowry to properly provide for you! Sounds like both of them got lucky to escape the clutches of the church.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
66. Well, we have to come together about something, don't we?
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jan 2015

It might as well be art.

As for the convent situation, it wasn't all bad. For some women it was a good thing because childbirth was such a perilous ordeal and so many women didn't survive. They lived much longer and many studied and were able to use their minds in scholarly pursuits. And many were religious to begin with. And they wanted to be kept safe and to have a community of other women around them.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
69. Sounds kinda like that, doesn't it?
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 04:44 PM
Jan 2015

He wasn't the best looking guy, either. You might be interested in seeing this, a detail of another of his paintings where he paints himself into he picture

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
70. It just struck me that artists and musicians were the athletes back when...
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jan 2015

Basically pro athletes seem to get a pass on all the rules nowadays, before sports came on the scene, it was artists and classical musicians.

The more things change...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
72. well, the artists were in the employ of the church which is why the pope didn't want
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:14 PM
Jan 2015

to piss off Lippi. I find it pretty hypocritical of the Pope to do this but I get it, just like I get the hypocrisy today with all the shenanigans going on in Wall St. and Congress.
It seems that Lippi had no choice but to join a monastery and then violate every rule of chastity that they had. He would have been happier as a married guy with a family. What he got was kind of a mess, but a good mess for him (not for Lucrezia who had to deal with it all).

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
71. Thank you so much for this post.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jan 2015


You have put Florence and Prato on my travel to-do list, and I adored the love story!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
73. Thanks! I enjoyed it. Please let me know if you have any questions...I'm no expert
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:16 PM
Jan 2015

but I have studied Renaissance art in Florence extensively...

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