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Over 60% of fatal dog attacks in 2014 by pitbulls (Original Post) fbc Jan 2015 OP
Ok. Annnnnnddddd? GGJohn Jan 2015 #1
Education and extermination fbc Jan 2015 #5
Horrible people want to extermine a dog for the crime of being the wrong looking dog JonLP24 Jan 2015 #7
"There's no such thing as an assault rifle" fbc Jan 2015 #8
LOL - you use something as flawed as "assault rifle" JonLP24 Jan 2015 #9
How unsurprising. Person against sensible gun control is also against sensible dog control. fbc Jan 2015 #10
Sensible gun control? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #11
exactly - same argument - I have often wondered which group first DrDan Jan 2015 #27
I'm not interested in keeping AWB from returning JonLP24 Jan 2015 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Jan 2015 #39
I just want to be sure I can bookmark your "extermination" post. flvegan Jan 2015 #49
The hateful, racist Dr. Laura thinks the same thing. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2015 #68
+1000 narnian60 Jan 2015 #84
go crawl back under your rock easychoice Jan 2015 #2
Lol! darkangel218 Jun 2015 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Jan 2015 #3
Over 60% of flamebait posts include pit bulls or Olive Garden. Hekate Jan 2015 #4
I was circumcised as a kid and ended up fine. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #44
ibreastfeed pitbulls elehhhhna Jan 2015 #64
Thanks for my first belly laugh of 2015! Also the post right before yours! Divernan Jan 2015 #79
60% of reported dog attacks JonLP24 Jan 2015 #6
I would be fairly surprised if bobGandolf Jan 2015 #18
I'm lost - double negative JonLP24 Jan 2015 #25
That sentence was not a double negative kcr Jan 2015 #34
If you try harder you... bobGandolf Jan 2015 #46
It was a reply to me JonLP24 Jan 2015 #47
Ahhhh, that explains everything. ;) bobGandolf Jan 2015 #50
Not to me, unfortunately JonLP24 Jan 2015 #61
Wow Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #103
Lol rjsquirrel Jan 2015 #21
First, I would ask what kind of town it is JonLP24 Jan 2015 #23
funny how easy it is to identify a pb when it's a cute little story DrDan Jan 2015 #26
I didn't post a cute story JonLP24 Jan 2015 #29
I wasn't speaking of you specifically - but those cute little stories put out by the pb propaganda DrDan Jan 2015 #33
Speaking for myself JonLP24 Jan 2015 #36
I'm pretty sure the bottom picture ... LannyDeVaney Jan 2015 #40
American Pit Bull Terrier is an actual gbreed JonLP24 Jan 2015 #42
Thank you for your well written, informative posts. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #60
Thank you for support JonLP24 Jan 2015 #62
You're getting through, I heard you loud and clear. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jan 2015 #95
100% of the 2014 deaths occurring from water intoxication involved water... bluesbassman Jan 2015 #12
Most attacks were on breast feeding mothers at Olive Garden. Atman Jan 2015 #13
You are totally ignorant. dballance Jan 2015 #14
ah, the No True Scottish Terrier fallacy foo_bar Jan 2015 #17
You are cracking me up. dballance Jan 2015 #20
Laugh at those yappy little dogs if you want, but one of them nearly killed my dog! pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #22
Pitbulls were trained in Benghazi Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #15
Only the high capacity pits. Packerowner740 Jan 2015 #52
26 Lighting Fatalities in the US in 2014 LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #16
And pitbulls are overbread and trained for fighting Hari Seldon Jan 2015 #19
yeah, chicken and egg problem fbc Jan 2015 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author B Calm Jan 2015 #24
Self-selection. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #28
Dogfighters, the ones who do it more than a 'hobby' JonLP24 Jan 2015 #31
a better predictor for fatal attacks is: Male + unneutered GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #32
+1 LWolf Jan 2015 #35
Finally, a reliable statistic from the result of an extensive study JonLP24 Jan 2015 #37
Good post. bigwillq Jan 2015 #38
+ whatever. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2015 #74
What the hell is a "pit bull"? LannyDeVaney Jan 2015 #41
"American Pit Bull Terrier" is the United Kennel Club nomenclature. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #43
I dont think its just the "Pit Bull" but related dogs in the Bull Dog spectrum. luke102938 Jan 2015 #45
You alleged a factual statement without much to back it up. flvegan Jan 2015 #48
Like you really care! Nice shit stirring you got going on here! Rex Jan 2015 #51
Both of my dogs said you can kiss their asses. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #53
How many people will kill pit bulls this year? roody Jan 2015 #54
Yes. narnian60 Jan 2015 #85
If pit bulls were so innocuous, SheilaT Jan 2015 #55
They pretend to be dog lovers, but pit bulls kill many more dogs than they kill humans fbc Jan 2015 #56
Oh, dear. SheilaT Jan 2015 #59
in response to post about the handmade34 Jan 2015 #88
Horseshit. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2015 #69
So the children who are killed every year by family pets are asking for it? XemaSab Jan 2015 #70
Irresponsible owners are to blame. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2015 #72
What did the 84-year-old man taking down his Christmas tree do to provoke the dog? XemaSab Jan 2015 #73
The Frederick case is under investigation. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2015 #86
YES! Fear the mighty Chihuahua!!! EX500rider Jan 2015 #77
Error. 100% caused by bad owners ( I don't actually know that, but seems likely) on point Jan 2015 #58
You mean the kind of people that choose murder dogs may not be the best of owners? fbc Jan 2015 #65
No, the way they raised and trained them is a better indicator of problems than breed itself. on point Jan 2015 #66
"Murder dogs"? Did you coin that yourself... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2015 #71
murder dogs ... beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #75
I don't support killing pit bulls XemaSab Jan 2015 #76
Gee then I guess I wasn't talking about you. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #78
You got that right. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2015 #87
just this past week there was a $37M award to a girl attacked by a pit DrDan Jan 2015 #67
Thank you for starting this very important thread unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #80
This is one of the few pit bulls I find scary Revanchist Jan 2015 #81
90% of all asshole driving done in Mercedes. Marr Jan 2015 #82
I hate those ugly dogs Reter Jan 2015 #83
They're beautiful. I bet you hate people that don't look good to you too. nt benz380 Jan 2015 #89
Even Handsome Dan? WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2015 #91
Here you go: bobclark86 Jan 2015 #90
Wow. Pit bulls killed 11 toddlers on that list. Do they eat the babies Zorra Jan 2015 #92
Don't you know that they're nanny dogs? XemaSab Jan 2015 #93
from yesterday - add this little 2-year old to the 2015 list DrDan Jan 2015 #94
Who identified the dogs as "pit bulls"? (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #96
Good point. All related breeds should be eliminated since it's so difficult to exactly identify. fbc Jan 2015 #99
Ban the breed. nt. LexVegas Jan 2015 #97
Exposure to secondhand smoke causes nearly 42,000 deaths each year among adults in the United States wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #98
Whitehouse.gov petition to ban these dogs! BukLao1969 Jun 2015 #100
what? gopiscrap Jun 2015 #104
I looked so you don't have to. 1/100,00099,999 gotten so far. And seriously, wtf? uppityperson Jun 2015 #105
It's the people HassleCat Jun 2015 #102
 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
5. Education and extermination
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:58 AM
Jan 2015

We have a self perpetuating problem here that is just going to keep getting worse.

Horrible people want the breed of dog that murders the most people and other canines. Horrible people often don't care for the dogs and abandon them or have them taken away from them, so shelters fill up with pit bulls. More pit bulls get adopted than other breeds and more pit bulls mean more fatal attacks on people and other dogs.

Unsuspecting owners with their hearts in the right place believe the nonsense that pit bulls are no more dangerous than other breeds. This is an obvious fallacy that is contradicted both by readily available statistics and many articles in respected scientific journals.

The situation is very much like the anti-vaccine movement. People buy into lies that they want to believe, and others around them die because of their ignorance.

So, the solution is education, and a policy of destroying pit bulls first before other breeds when shelters fill up and dogs are put down.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. Horrible people want to extermine a dog for the crime of being the wrong looking dog
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:04 AM
Jan 2015

and is using biased & incomplete data to justify it. My opinion and if your solution is education, you're already failing miserably at that.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
8. "There's no such thing as an assault rifle"
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:10 AM
Jan 2015

Your argument is the same as that used by gun nuts.

I don't want to quibble over the exact definition of an assault rifle or a pit bull.

We all know what they are, and we all know they kill people.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. LOL - you use something as flawed as "assault rifle"
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:15 AM
Jan 2015

Ban assault rifles for all I care which are` a relatively tiny number of guns based on cosmetic features while guns with more range & power are still available.

Frankly I'm more concerned about US gun control policy outside our borders, how many fighter jets, tanks, carbine rifles do they sell to governments who fund terrorists groups that share the same religious doctrine? Hell, background checks are unnecessary since it appears there are no regulation, no loopholes(because there would have to be a law for a loophole to exist)

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
10. How unsurprising. Person against sensible gun control is also against sensible dog control.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:27 AM
Jan 2015

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. Sensible gun control?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:30 AM
Jan 2015

I said go ahead ban them. You seem interested in going after a tiny number of guns while allowing guns that are more capable of killing people.

I'm against this

$60B arms deal with Saudi Arabia goes through
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/nov/19/60b-arms-deal-saudi-arabia-goes-through/

Is that not sensible?

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
27. exactly - same argument - I have often wondered which group first
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:15 AM
Jan 2015

came up with this approach . . . and who decided to copy it.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
30. I'm not interested in keeping AWB from returning
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:40 AM
Jan 2015

I frankly couldn't care less about the issue but people who oppose based on very good logical reasons confirm their biases, to someone who knows guns, proponents of AWB either shows they aren't serious about the issue and/or they're clueless about the issue. My view is go ahead ban it, I really don't care. Meanwhile, what? 18 guns are banned, there are still guns available that have more range or power (can you dispute this?)

The PWB is much of the same thing, facts are presented you can't dispute you insult the argument. I call it the George Costanza approach.

Response to fbc (Reply #5)

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
68. The hateful, racist Dr. Laura thinks the same thing.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jan 2015


RIP sweet Hector. And fuck Michael Vick and dog fighters everywhere.

Response to fbc (Original post)

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. 60% of reported dog attacks
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:00 AM
Jan 2015

When you collect & analyze data you have account for factors mainly what level of trust you can gain from the data collected. That is just for "reported dog attacks". News often report stories that have a sensational factor pit bulls qualify--they're more likely to report a fatal dog attack if it is a pit bull than a dog that isn't, a thread like this is a reason why but I'm sure most reasonable people would agree.

Also "pit bull" is often used for a Molosser breed. An American Pit Bull Terrier is one of those breeds. Breeds that are often mistakenly labeled "pit bulls" American Staffordshire Terrier & Staffordshire Bull Terrier. So you have to verify the dog in the story, what breed is the dog specifically and start recording the data that way or back to the level of trust thing.

The American Pit Bull Terrier can range as small as 30-35 pounds and is a companion dog. (Affectionate, cuddle a lot) The breed that has the "pit bull" is actually probably the less likelier one to be the one responsible for a fatal dog attack with main one being they're too small to kill. (I owned one who couldn't last 1 second in a fight against a 50 pound dog)

Without going into what is missing the final question is what information can be gained from this data? There were 21 reported fatal dog attacks for 2015 which is lower than most cities murder rate but other than that jack shit. No one would invest into a hedge fund with data like this so what should we do and why should it be based on "reported fatal dog attacks"?

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
18. I would be fairly surprised if
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:20 AM
Jan 2015

A fatal dog attack wasn't reported because it wasn't done by a pit bull.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
47. It was a reply to me
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:07 AM
Jan 2015

so I wasn't sure if you were contrary or in agreement, or saying you would find it unlikely a dog fatality would be reported if it was done by any other breed. The sentence was hard to understand because of the two wasn't but English was always one of my worst subjects so after a poster telling me it wasn't a double negative and you telling me I found your "mistake" I'm even more confused over what my reply said.

Double negative probably wasn't the reason for my criticism, "aint gonna rain no more" makes sense but "how did the old folks know" was confusing and made no sense but I didn't put deep thought into the lyrics, I can be pretty dense sometimes due to multiple bumps on the head + hypogyclemia (confusion - http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/diabetes-hypoglycemia)

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
61. Not to me, unfortunately
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:12 AM
Jan 2015

I'd give up my legs to replace the current problems. At-least people would understand why I couldn't walk or criticize me for being unable to me.

It is easy to find articles that bring awareness to the hidden mental scars of war and its easy for me to point to a deployment in a MOS with highest injury risk for injury or death for a men & women MOS (MP would be higher if so much of their job also didn't include jail & paperwork police) but combat is the reason why. It is, finding smoking gun proof that the only reason I was doing why I was doing all this for cheated on my 2 months prior before deployment on the 2nd night left of my R&R which based on the information available plus her value as a person overall. To spare you the rest I had to go through the 5 stages of grief alone in the unforgiving, hard ass, 24+ hour days which were worse in garrison where I was always the easy target within my squad for mindless details.

To help understand the personality of my squad is one soldier (a specialist who had ranked on me by a couple of months which the unit made a push to enforce lower level enlisted chain of command which led to the power trip of hell but he was always clean shaven & uniform clean w/ little to no scuff marks on boots) who asked out of a South Korea unit who wasn't too happy to him by his extra duty admission and I found universal agreement that extra duty in South Korea is hands down the worst. To his defense his mother died shortly before this but out of the blue while I was on my a phone call with my wife he started choking me against the wall which caused me to lose my damn mind which led him to report my underage drinking (I was under 21 by 2 months at-the-time) which the following the morning our team leader told me he didn't give a damn what he did because of my underage drinking but little did he know he was the same one that provided me the alcohol that night which which led to the soldier spreading snitch claims around the barracks. During deployment he would often drag me off the top bunk which squad members would tell affectionate stories of times where I continued to sleep which also happened to be times I didn't remember being dragged off the bunk.

That doesn't even bother me, more funny or ironic than anything else just painting the picture because when I was in the "anger" stage I remember a phone call where I was hung up on & I was at CSC Scania w/ next stop BIOP (which was a risky route in-itself) with the cargo drop at Al-Asad which was in the Anbar province but not the danger (which was a rival to Tampa checkpoints 58-60. If you heard of Taji (further north of BIOP) you heard of the attacks which mainly took place outside the walls the exception of the occasional mortar lobbed over (more common occorence). To summarize immediately following the phone call (worried about the last words & inability to handle personal problems 10 time zones away) I punched a basketball due to frustration of those things as well as playing poorly, constantly boxed out for rebounds--good friend that was so it wasn't a who they are frustration which the arrogant, full of himself gloating which the growth of which the main team leader encouraged (not out of bitterness because all things considered, he ended up being one of my better friends--especially in the judgmental department, plus I could see what kind of issues they must face to volunteer for another round) which eventually set off a train reaction that led to the unit armorer (who our unit had 2 at-the-time were switched w/ a specific convoy) being killed by an EFP because I was switched to the convoy heading to better medical facilities to deal with my broken hand which the profile mention of firearm carrying restriction was brought to the attention of Assistant Convoy Commander (which a harmless joke of convoy soldier carrying around my weapon which was meant to poke fun of a strict interpretation -- which my unit leaders were bothered my where my platoon sergeant famously bashed profile restricitions asking "What would happen if you broke your right hand? You'd learn to wipe with your left" shortly before I broke my right hand. Which the ACC went up to the backstairs (had to to get the answer he wanted which was an answer consistent with DOA regulations) that delayed the convoy 1 day (for them to fly me back to Kuwait on a C-130 while our unit flied my replacement to BIOP) which ended up putting that convoy at the wrong place at the wrong time which struck the second to last vehicle of a roughly 30 truck ---the passenger side door of the very same Assistant Convoy's Commander's vehicle.

The "karma is a harsh mistress" view of this and if you go by simple laws of action & reaction which is the karma I do believe is due to my injury there wasn't a whole lot they could make me do so they tasked me as amour assistant which provided me the opportunity the opportunity to get to know someone right before they died. I remember he mailed a fancy anniversary gift and given the roughly 10 day mail time period there is a decent chance it came in the mail after his wife received the news but I remember his last words to me were expressing frustration during mission prep (which was a lot of work) but it was "bad time to go on the road" much work that was left to be done which for some reason re-inventory & "guarding the arms room" which is where I came in so the man in charge of the unit armor (the other guy on the road was the "assistant&quot could do some of the work which this new concern called for but considering no unit before the new concern and the JLTF lack of concern before no gave much thought to much more security than a lock you can buy at the PX for a stockpile of carbine rifles including SAW-249 & a 50 cal.

When the "wrong convoy" had an expected ETA to arrive at the motor poll and everyone in our unit or batallion for that matter who wasn't on a convoy was at the motor poll and no one had to give an order as everyone was there to do the mission unprep for them such as helping with heavy bags & gear, ground giding vehicles, and staging vehicles "dress right dress" which is incredible difficult when it came to vehicles and to someone else subjective interpretration (mindless trailer yard details in a nutshell which required the trailers to be dress right dress not to mention countless respraying of trailer numbers "dress right dress" but the most unusual thing and it would be something right out of a movie was the level of fog that was drifting over the entrance as the one convoy where our unit had the 1 casualty the entire year was very eery. Fog near Kuwait City is unusual though I don't understand the climate enough to make that judgment, I do know it had some epic cold storms and it was damn cold in the winter & all that dirt turned into mud but that was the only time I remember seeing fog which was very close to Kuwait City from the Southeast direction.

I get that I'm rambling but my most tramuatic event event happened after the Army, my biggest changes as far as mental health happened under the Army and most of the stress didn't come from outside the wire. It was mainly office politics which prompted someone who was more a friend to my good friends had the rare opportunity to see the truth which he would say more than once (I can give examples) that I got the "short stick in life". However, this was someone who cried in front of the batallion commander asking for a unit change because the alternative to the Army was behind homeless in Washington DC.

My ex-wife was the mentally strongest person I ever met who also expressed suicide desires to me which were crushing more than anything else because I wish I knew the right things to say besides check yourself into a doctor right away but reality & her kids made the hardest working, even prison dilemma choices she made when the knowledge she can't take care of her kids (leaving anyone else taking care of them up to chance) behind bars. She dropped everything and drove cross-country from Mesa, AZ to Springfield, Il because of a phone call where her children expressed some sort of complaint over the situation over a visiting situating under their father.

Why do I mention all this? Well I already mention things like hypogyclemia which symptoms resemble a mental illness, possible TBI/CTE issues due to multiple bangs to the head which could come from a variety of sources such as being dragged off the top bunk (w/ no awareness to break my fall) for entertainment which I understand, it is very boring where complacency was a common concern drilled into us (also the surge led the rachoteting up of the violence on all sides including civilian death tolls & the EFP on a southbound military vehicle -- Southern Iraq was ZzZ monster territory in OIF I and still was to a lesser extent before the "surge" OIF III. It is because I don't even understand my own mental problems, what is the "root cause" for example. I know I was looking for any reason to leave my wife when I stopped sacrificing for the Army which ended up starting a 3-year period which sucked all the life out of my life in addition to things that aren't my fault (other than poor diet or playing pickup tackle football far too much & big guys would take the opportunity to pile drive even if you're already in the end zone.

In that context, even if I have trouble understanding or comprehending I'll ask a straight forward question in hopes that I'll get a straight forward answer--it is weird while plenty of nuanced things or like mirroring an argument with different terms to highlight the ridiculousness of the argument I'll catch but the most obvious things sometimes go over my head. Even if I don't figure something out, I'll figure it out eventually or I can tell an answer isn't straight forward which makes it easier to pick and choose the type of people I want around me.

I also highlight how much worse people closest to me had to deal with in terms of what to cope with (don't get me started on the TCN experience in Iraq) such as my ex-wife who came from very poor & very violent neighborhoods in Springfield, Illinois which she described as near the Lincoln Tomb National Park on the East side of it (I never been to Springfield so maybe Springfield residents would know the area). So I do plenty of self-coping and why would I tell a psychiatrist, why would feel comfortable "bitching about my problems" which I heard psychiatrists outside the couch express a view of their job.

You see "explains everything" is a mystery to me whether I want it to or not but I certainly put some thought to which all circles back to the conclusion that trying to articulate what may or may not be the root cause behind my problems would be counter-productive.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
21. Lol
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 07:02 AM
Jan 2015

I suspect the vast majority of fatal dog attacks in the U.S. are reported, irrespective of breed.
Pit Bulls are dangerous animals.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
23. First, I would ask what kind of town it is
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 07:37 AM
Jan 2015

Living in Flagstaff, Arizona the type of news that was reported was a break-in, teens arrested for marijuana possession at Flagstaff mall. Living here (Phoenix metropolitan) I can't even find a story on why there were 4 cop cars and a forensics van in my own apartment complex a couple weeks ago.

Where a dog fatality happens is why I doubt unless it had some sensational juice to it. The news is also a business so they have to sell it too and journalists routinely get facts wrong or sell it in a way and local news is the worst at it. CNN won't touch a dog fatality story, dog fatalities would come local news. Do you think they wouldn't mislabel a dog pit bull because it is more profitable to do so?

Strangely I come across an article that begins with a misidentification which is ironic considering the content of the article but they don't point it out.


A female pit bull, one of three put bulls involved involved in the mauling of a 10-year-old boy in 2005, is held at Aurora Animal Care.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/fetch/2010/07/18/the-media-takes-its-lumps-over-reporting-about-pit-bulls/1387/

That dog is not an American Pit Bull Terrier

Lets take the dangerous animals part? How does 21 fatalities out of the very large domestic dog population show that any of them are dangerous?

So is this dog dangerous?


That picture is of an American Pit Bull Terrier though what one would look like on the smaller end of the range but an APBT nonetheless.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
26. funny how easy it is to identify a pb when it's a cute little story
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:06 AM
Jan 2015

sure 21 is a fairly small number . . . but that reflects reported FATALITIES.

When considering pit attacks, they come daily. Absolutely dangerous!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
29. I didn't post a cute story
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:20 AM
Jan 2015

I posted a picture of an American Pit Bull Terrier. (if it came from a cute dog story I have no idea, I searched pictures but that one is almost a twin of the one I used to own except mine hard darker black fur so you could see why I place an emphasize on breed, size, etc before coming to faith based emotion arguments that lead to what... the 35 lb American Pit Bull Terrier banned because the media misreported the breed of the brown dog who was "involved" in the mauling (that 3 other "pit bulls" were responsible--they are 0/1 so it would be reasonable to expect pictures to verify the other 3 are American Pit Bull Terriers)

The brown dog in the above picture isn't an American Pit Bull Terrier any reputable unbiased domestic dog expert will tell you that.

Here are a couple more



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier

So since the Brown dog clearly isn't an American Pit Bull Terrier so which is it that is dangerous? Both? OK, now you have 2 different breeds.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
33. I wasn't speaking of you specifically - but those cute little stories put out by the pb propaganda
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:54 AM
Jan 2015

groups.

Seems they are quite certain as to the identification when it is a cute little story. The identification problem comes when the story is negative toward pits.

And it seems to me that if there was truly an identification problem, it is equally possible that there are more pit bites than reported.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
36. Speaking for myself
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jan 2015

American Pit Bull Terrier is a breed I'm certain I could identify. I'd have more trouble identifying most others. I'm familiar with what Gordan Setters, Collie, Siberian Huskies look like for instance.

Initially I started clicking links in the above post to find a negative certain of an APBT to post to prove my non-bias but after 3 links I didn't even see a picture and one featured a 1:35 minute with just a police officer giving an on-camera interview so I said to myself, "There is an easier way of doing this" so I went to APBT Wikipedia page a viola, a collection of pictures (I was expected just 1).

The thing is, 3 stories and no picture you're basically trusting the journalist they got the 'pit bull' part (and it would go a long way if they would clearly indicate what they mean when using the term because are they using it for the American Pit Bull Terrier or a different Molassor breed? That is why throw pit bulls out and add anything else into the equation, you try to evaluate how much trust you can put into the data.

Are you saying it would be equally possible that there would be more American Pit Bull Terrier bites--that narrowed the terms of the focus of the original data for the sake of discussion on fatalities do you mean if I focus on the latter point?

Well when you go line-by-line you see things like this (Labrador Retriever-Pit Bull mix[644] or pit bull mix and Pit bull) they went out of there way to make sure the word pit bull is in there. The American Pit Bull Terrier will get the blame for that though.

Pit bull-Presa Canario mix[636] or Pit bull

2 mixed breed dogs or "mixed-mastiff breeds" or "part Cane Corso"[612] or Pit Bulls[613]

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So the list the OP posted isn't even entirely accurate the breeds the media claimed but the American Pit Bull Terrier will get the blame because "Pit Bull" is an official part of their name. If you call the cute stories PB propaganda, WTF is the above?

Can we just have a list of officially named breeds that you see as a problem that is different from other dogs because "part Cane Corso" lumped isn't an American Pit Bull Terrier so there are other breeds so it would be helpful to have an OK or not OK because pit bull after pit bull story when someone points out they may not be an American Pit Bull Terrier that someone is mocked & ridiculed and the APBT is blamed in the end.

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Whatever is possible I just want accurate information and accurate which breeds people specifically mean.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
40. I'm pretty sure the bottom picture ...
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jan 2015

is an American Staffordshire Terrier. I'm not even really sure what a 'pit bull terrier' is. There are Bull Terriers - Spudz McKenzie being the most famous.

I have a 50% American Staffordshire Terrier / 50% boxer that looks exactly like that dog - a bit bigger - he is currently 60lbs at 2 years old. A lot of them are black and white.

So, please let me know what percentage of "pit bull terrier" disqualifies a dog from the freedom to live. Thanks.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
42. American Pit Bull Terrier is an actual gbreed
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jan 2015

Here is another picture


I know what I'm talking about too I used to own a dog that very closely.

Oh we are actually talking about the same breed, it just has two different names.

The American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) were bred from the same lineage, but received different names from the two American kennel clubs; Staffordshire was the name given by the American Kennel Club (AKC), and American Pit Bull Terrier by the United Kennel Club (UKC). When compared with the English Staffordshire Bull Terrier, the American Pit Bull Terrier is larger by margins of 6–8 inches (15–20 cm) in height and 25–35 pounds (11–16 kg) in weight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier

If you're asking me that question at the bottom you don't understand the argument I'm making. These debates become so frustrating that I try to argue logically the best I can which is trying to logically break down their argument. (A)Pit Bulls are bad (B) what breed is a pit bull? (C) What breeds does the media mean when they say pit bull and what does others in this thread mean when they say pit bull? (D) Which breed will end up taking the blame? (my argument)The one with the "pit bull" name in it.

So there is enough evidence out there that me and you are talking about the very same breed it just has 2 different names so if there is a BSL, breed ban, or breed extermination the same dog were are talking about will be the first victims. I hope we're agreement on that.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
60. Thank you for your well written, informative posts.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:50 AM
Jan 2015

I have a rescued AST who was used as a bait dog. He's already been a victim and I can't stand the thought of him being "exterminated" because of extreme ignorance and prejudice.

He is the most forgiving animal I have ever met, loves other dogs, kids, our horses, everybody. I was afraid of the reception he'd get at our local rabies clinic but he was the bell of the ball. Our GSD was another story, she's old and grumpy.


Anyhoo, just wanted to let you know someone's reading your posts and they're appreciated.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
62. Thank you for support
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:49 AM
Jan 2015

in light of the honest & understandable criticism I have received for hitting a couple of dense walls. At the end of that post which could be considered "long winded semantic diatribe" that is irrelevant to the topic at hand but there actually is a relevance which I leave out. I talk about a 3 year period which sucked the life out of my life but there was something that kept the fire lit during that 3-point and that was my pet AST or whatever breed people want to call them. Found her through a "free puppies" sign and the owner explained it was part pit-bull, part German Shepard, part this, part that but I really wasn't sure what she was until I asked Veterinarian she said "pit bull" without hesitation, but she had nothing against her and understand dog behavior which the advise she gave was very similar to the behavior descriptions & causes where remarkable similar to the "extensive study" down thread.

While it says more about me than the breed that she was just about the only carbon based lifeform I could count on for emotional support, in the end I started researching the breed and found a lot of claims including lacking in evidence even as to far they avoid mentioning a specific breed (dig further in the stats in the OP and you see the media went out of their way to include pit bull into the mix).

Which led to me reading read these crazy threads while I'd look at the proposals & claims then look at my dog, then go back and the truth was so frustratingly obvious that I couldn't figure out how to "show" the truth. I think one thread I went so far to threaten to immigrant to Mexico if my jurisdiction fell under a BSL (but pretty much are considering what animals apartments allow or don't allow but Staffordshire is an accurate & good cover for the "pit bull" part.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
63. You're getting through, I heard you loud and clear.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:57 AM
Jan 2015

Your post makes me want to fight harder but these threads, jeez, they're insane.

So much hatred for creatures they don't even know.

My Staffie would be a wonderful support dog. He knows when I need him to just be near, he gets me. The same can't be said for humans, not even the one I live with.

Response to JonLP24 (Reply #6)

bluesbassman

(19,388 posts)
12. 100% of the 2014 deaths occurring from water intoxication involved water...
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:35 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Tue Jan 13, 2015, 04:53 AM - Edit history (1)

Clearly we need to destroy all water fountains around the country before one of them kills again!

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
14. You are totally ignorant.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:13 AM
Jan 2015

Wikipedia is not exactly a great source of unbiased information.

It is difficult to actually determine a dog's breed because so many of them are of mixed breed. This leads to ignorant people labeling dogs as pit bulls even when they are not at all pit bulls.

Just stop it. Stop your ignorance.

foo_bar

(4,193 posts)
17. ah, the No True Scottish Terrier fallacy
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:24 AM
Jan 2015

Just kidding. I'm backing away from this thread slowly now.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
22. Laugh at those yappy little dogs if you want, but one of them nearly killed my dog!
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 07:05 AM
Jan 2015

Got stuck in his throat.

(Old joke, couldn't resist. )

LostOne4Ever

(9,309 posts)
16. 26 Lighting Fatalities in the US in 2014
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:22 AM
Jan 2015
http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/fatalities.htm

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Hari Seldon

(154 posts)
19. And pitbulls are overbread and trained for fighting
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:34 AM
Jan 2015

I blame humans.

Sorry if that is victim blaming, but sometimes

SOMETIMES

it really is the fault of the victim.

Pitbulls are the victims
Owners that get turned on are guilty victims.
Society also has some things to work on.

EVERYONE is GUILTY

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
57. yeah, chicken and egg problem
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:33 AM
Jan 2015

Apologists always want to blame the owners, but what kind of person looks at all the available dog breeds and says, "I want a murder dog"?

Of course it's partly the owners. They are the type of people that prefer dogs that may just happen to maim or kill a family member or neighbor.

Response to fbc (Original post)

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
28. Self-selection.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:18 AM
Jan 2015

Jackasses who want to use dogs as weapons have the idea that pit bulls are the 'best' dog to use that way, so those are the dogs they train to attack humans. Take away pit bulls and they'll merely move on to the next breed. While there is no ultimate solution short of 'change human nature', the short term 'band-aid' is far stiffer penalties for humans who use dogs as weapons and then 'use' them whether intentionally or negligently.

(And, if you want, feel free to exchange 'dogs' and 'guns' in the above. The solution is not outlawing specific weapons, as much as stiffer penalties for using weapons, and always imposing penalties for deaths involving them. There are VERY few 'accidents'. When a trigger is pulled, there is no 'accident', just intent or negligence. If you carry your gun in such a way that you 'accidentally' shoot someone, that's negligence. If you leave it where a child can pick it up and shoot themselves or someone else, that's negligence. If you shoot some unarmed person who wasn't trying to harm you, but you were 'afraid' that they might, that's not negligence, but again is no accident and deserves criminal penalties. Even, or maybe especially, if you're a police officer. )

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
31. Dogfighters, the ones who do it more than a 'hobby'
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:44 AM
Jan 2015

actually use many different breeds, several would probably full under the media 'pit bull' umbrella but a common breed used for dogfighting is a Bull Terrier (they have a very long head) who looks significantly different that kinda square head breeds.

So moving on to the next breed, they're already waaaaay past that.

Bull Terrier

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
32. a better predictor for fatal attacks is: Male + unneutered
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:51 AM
Jan 2015

Over 93% of fatal dog attacks are done by intact male dogs. Most likely to be killed:

- Infants
- the elderly

"We know that an intact male is four times more likely to bite," said Hillsborough Animal Services spokesperson Marti Ryan. "It's not because they're mean. This is nature."

Karen Delise has extensively studied dog attacks and written two books on the subject. She had heard about Hunter.

Her research, which involved fatal attacks, shows the percentage of intact males involved is even higher — between 90 and 95 percent. There were 59 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2005 and 2006, she says, involving 109 dogs. Just five of those were spayed or neutered.

An intact male is hormonal. Sexually curious. More likely to escape. Showing dominance. Territorial.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/neutering-dogs-may-be-kindest-cut-when-it-comes-to-preventing-dog-bites/983589

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
37. Finally, a reliable statistic from the result of an extensive study
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:20 AM
Jan 2015

Something I've been asking for a long time and information on personality & behavior from experts that you can trust.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
41. What the hell is a "pit bull"?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jan 2015

I'm going to need the specific breed of a "pit bull". You took the time to list other specific breeds that actually exist (Rottweiler, Cane Corso ...) so please give me the specific breed name for a "pit bull". Thanks.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
43. "American Pit Bull Terrier" is the United Kennel Club nomenclature.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jan 2015

Typically these are a bit larger than the UK Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The American Staffordshire Terrier is the nomenclature of the American Kennel Club.

 

luke102938

(24 posts)
45. I dont think its just the "Pit Bull" but related dogs in the Bull Dog spectrum.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jan 2015

Most Of the Breeds that get confused for Pit Bulls are realted to early Bull Dog Breeds. The features that people decribe as "Pit bull" are really the features that came from common ancestors. Many people are trying to use the fact that the wrong name is commonly used do decribe a attacking dog as a Pit Bull to defend them, but leave out the fact that the attacking dog was a closely related breed.

I think we need to put restrictions on dogs that are over a certian weight and have a large amount of DNA from these common ancestors. I dont think these dogs should be exterminated or banned, but you should need to have a license and violent felons should be banned from having them.

flvegan

(64,429 posts)
48. You alleged a factual statement without much to back it up.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:10 AM
Jan 2015

How many people will eating meat kill this year?

LOL, I love this game. Ignorance is funny to me.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
53. Both of my dogs said you can kiss their asses.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:08 AM
Jan 2015

Just heard from the cats and horses and they echo the sentiment.

Well, to be fair the cats say that to everyone, but it takes a lot to piss off the horses.


roody

(10,849 posts)
54. How many people will kill pit bulls this year?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:43 AM
Jan 2015

Anyone who breeds or buys from a breeder will. For every one they breed, at least one is killed in a shelter.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
55. If pit bulls were so innocuous,
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:06 AM
Jan 2015

then we'd be reading about the fatal attacks by chihuahuas and poodles and dachshunds in the same numbers that we read about attacks by pit bulls. But we don't. We read about the attacks by pit bulls because they really are more dangerous, they really are more likely to attack humans than are chihuahuas or poodles or dachshunds (just to name a few).

This is EXACTLY like the gun apologists who insist that the presence of guns somehow doesn't matter, when in reality if there are guns in a household people are vastly more likely to die from those very same guns.

Listen up, people. If you have pit bulls, there's a vastly increased chance someone nearby will die from a pit bull attack. If there are guns around, there is a vastly increased chance someone nearby will die from those guns.

What is it you don't understand?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
59. Oh, dear.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:40 AM
Jan 2015

I'm not sure if that makes things worse, or better.

A couple of years ago a friend of mine was dog sitting. She took the dog out for a walk. It was a larger breed, although I can no longer remember exactly which one, other than it was not a pit bull. Anyway, on this walk her dog attacked and killed another dog. Apparently the owners had good reason to know their dog was dangerous to other dogs. I don't know how the rest of you feel, but I'm relieved to report that the animal in question was put down.

Here's the essential thing. We, as humans, need to do our best to insure that our dogs are not likely to attack and injure, much less kill, humans.

On a related note, nearly thirty years ago, my son was bitten by a neighbor's dog. I took my son to the doctor, the neighbor's dog wound up being impounded for an observation period. In the end, all was well. My son had no further consequences, the dog in question was released to the owners -- after having appropriate rabies shots. At the time I felt a bit bad about the impounding, but I've come to understand that the owners had not been responsible about making sure their dog's shots were up to date. We are not even talking about the "pit bull" problem here, just the basic dog owner responsibility.

While I am vastly more of a cat than a dog person, I understand dog ownership. But it is crucial that we, collectively and individually, exercise appropriate responsibility over that ownership.

handmade34

(22,759 posts)
88. in response to post about the
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jan 2015

84 yo attacked by his pit bull...


•About 4.5 million people are bitten by dogs each year
•Almost one in five of those who are bitten, about 885,000, require medical attention for dog bite-related injuries; half of these are children
•In 2012, more than 27,000 people underwent reconstructive surgery as a result of being bitten by dogs.


I have NO patience for ANY irresponsible animal owner (and there are way too many of them)... my kids are all runners and all have been threatened and/or bitten by dogs throughout the years, I have been bitten by dogs numerous times... while I realize domestic dogs can play a crucial role in some people's lives and be of service to some... I see many, many animals not cared for and/or trained properly....

...a medium-size dog has twice the impact (towards climate change) of driving an SUV 10,000 miles.

...2 million tons of cat litter is sent to landfills each year, and most litters aren't biodegradable and what is, is packed too tightly for oxygen to circulate optimally.... and clay–based cat litters are produced by strip mining. ...and outdoor cats have a strong localized impact on wildlife...

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
73. What did the 84-year-old man taking down his Christmas tree do to provoke the dog?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jan 2015

What did Darla Napora do to provoke her dog?

Please tell me.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
86. The Frederick case is under investigation.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jan 2015

Very sad. It appears that Mr. Smith adopted the dog in May 2014, but the DC media can't get it straight as to whether a stray or from a rescue organization, but they keep reporting anyway.

Luckenbaugh explained that, while he and his officers were moving forward trying to find out where exactly the dog came from and how it came to reside in Frederick, piecing together the animal's history will take time, as it was only recently introduced to Smith's family.

'This is the first one that I know of here in Frederick County'

According to county Animal Control statistics, dog bites are the most common among animal bite incidents. From 2009 to 2014, the department’s officers responded to 3,726 calls for animal bites, an average of two per day.

Luckenbaugh said they receive calls for dogs of all breeds and sizes, not just large dogs.

“Larger, more powerful breeds have the potential to inflict more severe injuries," he said.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/police/animal-control-pit-bull-that-killed--year-old-frederick/article_7af5cc11-903c-5296-bce9-ae2992bbf1d4.html


Perhaps it was some sort of PTSD. I'd also like to know more about the adult son and fiancée living with the 87-year-old Mr. Smith, and how they treated the dog.

IIR, a large unneutered male killed Darla Napora. The risks associated with unneutered dogs are discussed up-thread.

I fall somewhere in between the "murder dogs" and "my dog is a saint" camps. But I'm a big advocate of spay and neuter, discipline, structure, and lots of love. And anytime hate-mongers like Dr. Laura start calling for the extermination of a certain type of dog, I'm siding with the damn dogs.


 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
65. You mean the kind of people that choose murder dogs may not be the best of owners?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jan 2015

shocking!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
75. murder dogs ...
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 05:46 PM
Jan 2015

Anyone who wants to exterminate thousands of innocent animals because of ignorance and irrational fear has issues.








XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
76. I don't support killing pit bulls
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jan 2015

I do support mandatory spay/neuter of all existing pit bulls.

See the difference?

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
67. just this past week there was a $37M award to a girl attacked by a pit
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:10 PM
Jan 2015

The jury actually awarded over $70M but the judge had to cut it to $37M due to limits.

The owner was also sent to jail for 16 months.

Finally . . . some justice for the victims.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/14/jury-awards-girl-72-million-pit-bull-attack/21745203/

80. Thank you for starting this very important thread
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:09 PM - Edit history (1)

It's always wonderful to know which posters are too stupid not to put on full ignore.

On edit: 9 of them this time. A very productive thread.

Also: Bull Dog spectrum!? ROFL!! Oh, the stupid, it burns.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
81. This is one of the few pit bulls I find scary
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jan 2015


The rest really don't bother me, I'm more worried about the owners that get them so that they can act like bullies themselves or fight them.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
82. 90% of all asshole driving done in Mercedes.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 06:11 PM
Jan 2015

Outlawing the Mercedes won't reduce the rate of asshole driving at all-- the assholes will just buy a BMW.

Same thing is going on here, I suspect. A certain type of asshole will always buy the dog with the scary reputation, and they'll make sure the dog lives up to that rep.

I've been around lots of pit bulls. They're just dogs.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
91. Even Handsome Dan?
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:47 AM
Jan 2015

Impossible!



Thanks to families like the above who care for animals in need... so much need.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
92. Wow. Pit bulls killed 11 toddlers on that list. Do they eat the babies
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 02:30 AM
Jan 2015

they kill, or do they just kill for the thrill?

"Don't worry, kids, ol' Poochie is a nice doggie, as gentle as a lamb, he plays with children all the time!

Grandmother, 58, had set the child down after feeding her when the 80 lb., 10-year-old dog attacked. Wounds to the head and neck were the cause of death, not those to her back and stomach. Grandmother, who lost the tips of her fingers trying to save the child, ordered her brothers, 5 and 8 years old, to run for their lives. They ran and got the next door neighbor to call for help. She used a steak knife to end the attack, but the child was pronounced dead at the hospital. Before the attack, the dog had behaved aggressively. After the attack, the dog was destroyed.[642] The dog was usually kept locked up in a back room and it is unclear how the dog got out to attack.[643]
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The child had gone with his pregnant mother to visit one of the mother's friends and was playing in front of the home with the dogs, whom he had reportedly played with in the past. At some point the mother looked outside to see the three pitbulls attacking the child and rushed to help him, at which point the pitbulls attacked her. Nearby HVAC workers attempted to beat the dogs back with PVC pipes and were unsuccessful. The child was pronounced dead on scene by paramedics, the pregnant mother was taken to the hospital for treatment of injuries and monitoring of the unborn child. The dogs had not been vaccinated against rabies and were euthanised.[628]

Playing outside his home when neighbor's dog, between 80-100 lbs., attacked. His 9-year old brother couldn't get the dog off him, so he ran in the house and got his father, who shot at the animal, which broke off the attack and fled. After the attack, a neighbor called the EMTs, and an ambulance took him to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. The dog was taken to a veterinary clinic. Before the attack, John and the dog had played together; the dog had been legally allowed free range with no previous complaints; and the town had had a nuisance law but no leash law.[624][625]

Christopher Malone's mother found the boy's body behind the family's Holmes County home. The Holmes County Sheriff's Department said it happened around 4 p.m. No one saw the attack. Family members said they've had the dogs since they were puppies, and the dogs have been around children their entire lives.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
99. Good point. All related breeds should be eliminated since it's so difficult to exactly identify.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jan 2015

This isn't isn't about a specific breed label. It's about genetic traits that have been bred into these dogs over many years.

uppityperson

(115,682 posts)
105. I looked so you don't have to. 1/100,00099,999 gotten so far. And seriously, wtf?
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:58 AM
Jun 2015
WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Petition to ban pit-bull breed dogs, and stop them from maiming and terrorizing your loved ones and your community.
I implore you to ban ownership and breeding of all pit-bull type dogs and stop these violent, aggressive and unpredictable animals from causing further harm to kids and loved ones and putting unnecessary strain on the healthcare system. The pit-bull breed accounts for most of the fatal and debilitating attacks; while children and elderly often fall victim to these vicious land sharks. These dogs do not belong in a civilized society, as they were bred for one thing only - to attack and kill. No one has a right to own an assault dog and endanger innocent people. These dogs are a relic of the past, they belong on battlefields, to be wielded by highly trained professionals and not roam our cities. Rid our great cities of this menace for the sake of the children and make our communities safe!

Published Date: Jun 02, 2015
Issues: Family, Human Rights, Urban Policy
Learn about Petition Thresholds
SIGNATURES NEEDED BY JULY 02, 2015 TO REACH GOAL OF 100,00099,999 TOTAL SIGNATURES ON THIS PETITION1
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
102. It's the people
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:34 PM
Jun 2015

The problem with pit bulls is they attract people who like them for their aggressive behavior. These people select individual dogs that show aggression, then socialize them to be aggressive.

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