LOL, cops start beating each other up at NYPD union meeting over DeBlasio protests

[geek tragedy]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/pba-lynch-spurs-yelling-cops-city-hall-feud-article-1.2076394

Tempers flared toward the end of the nearly two-hour session at Antun's in Queens Village when some members began yelling at PBA President Patrick Lynch over his declaration that Mayor de Blasio owes cops an apology.

"This is what my members want: they want more cars, better vests, more manpower,” one cop shouted, according to the sources. “They don't want an apology.”

Another union member told Lynch: "I don't care about an apology. I want to know what you're going to do to protect us."

Lynch said he disagreed about the importance of an apology, according to the sources.

The meeting then disintegrated into a physical conflict between cops who support Lynch and those who don’t, the sources said.

It seems that at least some cops want their union to behave like a union instead of a malignant circle jerk.

Dumping Lynch would be a very smart move on their part.

[pkdu]

1. Off to the greatest page with you!...

Lynch is a scumbag. And his supporters should be fired.

[olegramps]

39. Was this a Good Cop bad Cop routine.

[lame54]

50. plural

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

51. Freaker's Ball...

..."The greatest of the sadists and the masochists too Screaming "Please hit me, and I'll hit you" " - Freakin' at the Freaker's Ball by Shel Silverstein/Dr Hook

[madashelltoo]

2. Where's the video?

I'm laughing without it.

[fbc]

20. Oops, forgot to turn their body cameras on.

[okaawhatever]

61. Brilliant LOL nt

[Rex]

3. Well they are good at yelling and beating up people.

NYPD is really showing what a modern metro cop is all about - yelling and beating up people.

[blkmusclmachine]

17. NYPD = brutes, bullies, murderers???

[barbtries]

43. all of the above

not to mention spoiled children incapable of recognizing their own wrongness.

[Joey Liberal]

58. Or even worse...Republicans?

[Egnever]

4. Was anyone shot or arrested?

[tclambert]

8. Cops arrested for fighting? You're funny.

"You're under arrest!" "No, you're under arrest!" "You can't arrest me, I'm arresting you!" "No, you're not! I'm arresting you!"

Besides, it was obviously all self-defense and justified.

[ReRe]

16. .

[brush]

44. Hee hee!

Your post sounds almost like an Abbott and Costello routine — "Who's on first"?

[uponit7771]

49. +1

[99th_Monkey]

5. Snap

I was thinking some 'good cops' stood up to Mr. Lynch's disgusting
advocacy for cops to murder unarmed citizens at will, whoever, whenever
they want to.

But no, they were whining about wanting more new equipment.

Well, at least they didn't side with demanding an apology crowd, so I
guess that's a start .. a piss poor start, but a start never-the-less.

[bvf]

25. Yeah, but

it was at least good to see that it started with this:

"Tempers flared toward the end of the nearly two-hour session at Antun's in Queens Village when some members began yelling at PBA President Patrick Lynch over his declaration that Mayor de Blasio owes cops an apology."

It may have steered into a whine about equipment, but at least some members initially had the integrity to call Lynch out for the right reason.

[99th_Monkey]

28. True. Some did stand up to Lynch's bullying tactics

and I join you in being grateful for this, esp. if the 'good cop' demeanor
and outlook grows, and then prevails.

In some ways NYPD is at the top of the cop food-chain at least symbolically,
so it would be a GREAT place to play that out on a national stage.

[bvf]

30. Agreed.

It would be great if this stays in the spotlight long enough to effect some meaningful change. Hope DeBlasio keeps talking about it, too (assuming he stands his ground).

[ncjustice80]

41. I wouldnt call it "good" cop mentality...

They were demanding more cars, better vests, more manpower.

Recent events have shown they need NONE of those things.

[99th_Monkey]

52. LOL - Tell that to 'bvf'.

Tell that to 'bvf'. [rofl]

What you said ^ is where I started out, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6082571

saying:

"I was thinking some 'good cops' stood up to Mr. Lynch's disgusting
advocacy for cops to murder unarmed citizens at will, whoever, whenever
they want to.

But no, they were whining about wanting more new equipment."

I thought 'bvf' made a legitimate point, that some of these cops refused to demand a di Blazio 'apology' for whatever reason; baby steps.

Maybe it's the weed, but I'm finding the 360 circularity to be majorly amusing: [rofl]

[staggerleem]

53. Gotta disagree, monkey.

It is ABSOLUTELY appropriate for union members to complain to their reps about the equipment they are provided with to do their jobs. I would also agree that, in the city that is the nation's #1 target for terrorists, the quality of the vests they wear for protection and the cars they drive on the job are quite important.

All of the above are far more relevant to the job of policing than any Mayoral mea culpa.

[99th_Monkey]

55. I partially agree with your disagreement

in that I don't want to begrudge NYPD of equipment they actually do need,
it just seemed like an odd way to say "I don't think demanding an apology
from the Mayor is a good idea".

I do see the connection (i.e. that it may be wiser for NY cops to honor the
chain of command that they rely on to get needed equipment) but it just
struck me as odd they didn't have a more principled argument than that
in their arsenal. i.e. "protect and serve" , "honor our authorities" etc.

There was no ill will intended towards the cops (esp the good ones) who
are just trying to make a living, and stay alive in the process.

[ncjustice80]

63. They have plenty of all 3 of those things.

And I often wonder if they should be issued vests at all, as it lends itself to their aggressive militarization.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

6. Why am I not surprised to hear about a Lynch mob?

[freshwest]

7. Nice to see all the guys in that union aren't RW idiots. Good for them. Lynch needs to be replaced.

He made fools of them all in front of the world. They want the focus on saving lives, not insulting their fallen.

[JonLP24]

9. So how did Lynch end up fairing when they went at it?

Such ridiculous behavior. Reminds me of 2 men fighting over a woman as if she is going to choose the winner.

[Generic Brad]

10. Butt hurt cry babies want apologies

Adults want action. Glad to hear the cry babies are getting some push back from the grown ups.

[herding cats]

11. It's good to know there's an active movement to oust Lynch.

Lynch is playing politics instead of working for the good of the union members. I wish them the best of luck in cleaning house!

[MannyGoldstein]

12. Seems like the cops @#$%ed this up pretty good

The worst part is that they staged a slowdown and nothing bad has happened; they advertised the ability to make do with fewer cops and less enforcement.

Someone's head's gonna roll.

Adios, Mr. Lynch.

[Calista241]

46. Except the city not collecting +\- $30m in fines

Money that the city desperately needs in the short / medium term.

[Ikonoklast]

62. That is a really poor argument.

Are police departments supposed to be law enforcement, or are their duties of revenue enhancement for the city more important?

If crime levels weren't affected by the LEO slowdown, then their real duty is to collect taxes not voted upon by the citizens but called "fines" for made-up "crimes".

Maybe NYC can get by with less manpower, equipment, etc. and therefore need less revenue to fee the ever-expanding maw of the police state.

[Calista241]

65. I'm not disputing that the argument sucks.

But the police not doing their job is going to put big time fiscal pressure on deBlasio. And I think we've cleared up the fact that the current and recent past mayors have been using the police force as a de facto revenue stream.

All deBlasio has to do to fix this problem is raise taxes. Then he can try and fire however many cops he wants.

And just because crime hasn't gone up yet, doesn't mean that it can't go up. I find it unlikely that humanity has evolved into a kinder, gentler being in just the last 15 years since Broken Windows came out.

[Brigid]

13. File this under:

You Can't Make This Stuff Up.

[L0oniX]

14. Bullies beating bullies ...irony extraordinaire.

[msongs]

15. recent events seemto indicate the departmen is WAY overstaffed and stuffed already. nt

[George II]

18. Lynch is a BIG part of the problems of the police unions (and attitude), and it seems....

....that many of the officers feel that way too.

[jwirr]

19. The Mayor should take the one policeman at his word: more cars, better vests and more manpower.

[bvf]

31. More riot gear,

maybe a few more tanks, helicopters, etc.

Yeah, that'll help.

On edit:

Rocket launchers. Forgot those.

And martial law, if we're not already there.

[Jamastiene]

37. That was my first thought too.

The LAST thing cops need is more military equipment. They are killing people while playing war against innocent citizens with all the military equipment they have now.

[jwirr]

45. You said that I did not. I am talking about real safety things.

[ReRe]

21. I'm waiting for the video...

... surely, surely a good cop got it.

[Cha]

22. "Benevolent".. Ha! The opposite of. There's nothing to apologize for, is there?! What am I

missing?

Pat Lynch sounds like an ego-maniac.

[lpbk2713]

23. Police ..... Union ..... Fighting

Is there such a thing a a triple oxymoron ?


BWAHAHAHA


"You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

[geek tragedy]

26. Patrol men's BENEVOLENT meeting, no less. nt

[DeSwiss]

24. I hope somebody called the cops....

K&R

[Enthusiast]

35. Wish someone would fly that message.

[staggerleem]

54. Maybe we can get the guy ...

... who flew over the Jets' practices a few times this past season, trailing a "FIRE IDZIK!" banner.

[NJCher]

27. who would have thought?

That belligerent people would...be belligerent with each other?






Cher

[LeftyMom]

29. Is this on youtube yet? Pay per view? Something? I'd pay money.

Not too much money, I have to save some back for the Phillip J. Fry Fund for an Improved DU Experience, but somewhere in the fancy coffee range is totally reasonable.

[calimary]

32. Shit. Just more nice bouquets in support of labor unions.

Their thuggish behavior sure is good at making the rest of us union members look bad. At a time when America could use a resurgence of unions - that would actually help workers rather than bullying and antagonizing the public.

[Jamastiene]

38. I live in an area where there aren't many unions at all.

This doesn't change my mind on unions. I still wish there were more unions where i live.

This is just a bunch of hot headed, brutish cops acting like hot headed, brutish cops.

[Lilma]

33. Who won the fight?

[King_Klonopin]

34. Lynch is an obvious political shill

I would assume he's buddies with Giuliani.

And like all Republican shills, he resorts to juvenile antics
to score cheap political points at the expense of the public
who deserve better from their elected officials. This is just
a ploy to oust DeBlasio, get momentum for a re-call election,
in true Nixonian dirty-trick fashion. They make me puke.

If a Republican were Mayor, he/she would have never dared
to question the authority and the behavior of those cops
who are acting like jack-booted thugs. Sociopaths with
badges is what they really are.

The citizens who have been harassed and brutalized by the
Giuliani stormtroopers deserve the apology -- not Lynch.

[Calista241]

47. In 1997, thousands of police officers took to the streets

Chanting "Rudi's a liar, set him on fire" after Guiliani insisted on incremental pay raises.

That same year, a flyer was circulated in the police community asking that Mayor Guiliani and the police commissioner to "be denied attendance of any memorial service in my honor as their attendance would only bring disgrace to my memory."

10 years ago, Pat Lynch and a hundred officers protested outside mayor bloomberg's vacation home at 1:00 am demanding higher pay.

I don't think these people care to much about political party.

[maindawg]

57. They care about 'authoritarian authority'

They are out of control. They are acting like spoiled children, with alot of fire power. When they routinely pepper spray crowds of people who are celebrating a football game, they are out of control.
I am heartened by the policemen who stood up to their bullying leadership and fellow police men. I cant wait to learn more and Im exited that there are good men attempting to gain control of the situation. Maybe the good guys will finally win. Maybe the police will decide to join the people. Maybe we can get rid of billionaires and flowers grown right on concrete in the winter time on mars.
Who knows, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

[King_Klonopin]

70. Wow, never knew that. Strictly self-serving and immature, just pouting and foot-stomping? nt

[Jamastiene]

36. So, can the ones involved be arrested for assaulting a cop?

Isn't there extra punishment for assaulting a cop? Oh, that's right. They won't be arrested. They ARE the cops and above the law. Too bad. That would be interesting.

[bvf]

40. It would also be interesting to know

whether such "exemptions" are codified in local ordinances.

I grew up with the understanding that police were to be accorded respect for the job they do, and tried to pass that sentiment on to my kid. Almost three decades later, I'm sure I'd handle things differently.

[jtuck004]

42. So this is what it looks like when the "good" do something. It's a good sign. n/t

[SleeplessinSoCal]

48. Wish other unions would condemn their actions. Their behavior will help union busters everywhere n/t

[iandhr]

56. You mean union members

can disagree with there leaders on certain issues?

I am shocked

[panader0]

59. "Malignant Circle Jerk"---new band name.

[AngryAmish]

60. Ever time I see DiBlassio I think Daddario

What is wrong with me?

[AzDar]

64. @ First glance, thought this might be the Onion...

But, nah... It's better: it's the NYPD.

[libdem4life]

66. "Another union member told Lynch: "I don't care about an apology. I want to know what you're going

to do to protect us."

I think there are a lot of New Yorkers thinking the same thing.

[1StrongBlackMan]

67. A couple of things ...

First, notice where the lines were drawn ... Manhattan cops supporting Lynch; whereas, Brooklyn and Bronx cops opposing him. Is it too much to guess that the cops most directly in the "line of fire" (Brooklyn and the Bronx) are more concerned with their on the job risk, than some show of strength?

Secondly,

I don't care about an apology. I want to know what you're going to do to protect us."

I'm wondering if they are seeking protection from the repercussions of going along with Lynch's slow down scheme?

[Ykcutnek]

68. Such a disgrace.

Too much power concentrated in the hands of groups like this is a major problem for everyone.

When concentrated power affects the public, it should be dismantled.

[mstinamotorcity2]

69. Apologize for WHAT???

The truth hurts.