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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:27 PM Jan 2015

Did Gitmo "Suicides" Cover Up Murder? U.S. Sgt. Speaks Out on Deaths & Prison’s Secret CIA Site

Full transcript from Demoncracy Now.


In a month marking its 13th anniversary, we look at one of the great mysteries of the U.S. military prison at Guantánamo Bay: what happened the night of June 9, 2006, when three prisoners died. The Pentagon said the three — Yasser Talal al-Zahrani, Salah Ahmed al-Salami and Mani Shaman al-Utaybi — all committed suicide. But were they actually actually tortured to death at a secret CIA black site at the base? In a broadcast exclusive, we are joined by Joseph Hickman, a Guantánamo staff sergeant and author of the new book, "Murder at Camp Delta: A Staff Sergeant’s Pursuit of the Truth About Guantánamo Bay."

Harper’s Magazine contributing editor Scott Horton first raised questions about what happened on that night in a 2010 piece he wrote called, The Guantánamo 'Suicides.' For the piece, Horton won a National Magazine Award for Reporting. He appeared on Democracy Now! at the time, questioning the findings of the Naval Criminal Investigation Service, or NCIS, which investigated the deaths.

SCOTT HORTON: We were able to see how they had concluded the suicides occurred. And they state that these three prisoners bound their feet, bound their hands with cloth, stuffed cloth down their throats, in some some cases at least, put masks over their faces to hold the cloth in place, fashioned manikins of themselves to put in their beds to deceive the guards, put up cloth to obstruct the view of cameras, fashioned a noose, which they attached at the top of an eight foot wire wall, stepped up, as their hands and feet are bound and their gagging on cloth, stepped up on top of a washbasin, put their head through the news, tightened it, and jumped off. And moreover, that these three prisoners in nonadjacent cells did all of these things absolutely simultaneously in a clockwork-like fashion. So the story is just simply incredible. Simply, not believable, I should stress.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/1/15/did_gitmo_suicides_cover_up_murder
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Did Gitmo "Suicides" Cover Up Murder? U.S. Sgt. Speaks Out on Deaths & Prison’s Secret CIA Site (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 OP
I'm quite sure the CIA will fully investigate this incident and come up with the correct conclusion. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #1
Well, let us hope the CIA is not too busy not investigating other things, dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #2
LOL--put your money on Elvis. n/t. bvf Jan 2015 #3
50/50 chance, at least, that it <<IS>> a cover-up. blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #4
Sad K&R. Overseas Jan 2015 #5
All lies all the time malaise Jan 2015 #6
There used to be jokes about Russian Gov't credibility. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #9
So true but what amazes me is how malaise Jan 2015 #10
The funny or ironic thing JonLP24 Jan 2015 #16
Thank you for this post. Simply not believable. This is terrible. jwirr Jan 2015 #7
Kick. This guys what a hero looks like. grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #8
+1000 G_j Jan 2015 #11
K&R because it matters. We discussed it here then. No surprise now, sadly. nt Mnemosyne Jan 2015 #12
K&R woo me with science Jan 2015 #13
Kick grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #14
Helpful sig line, thanks. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #17
NP! grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #18
If the circumstances are as Horton describes... blackspade Jan 2015 #15
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2015 #19
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
1. I'm quite sure the CIA will fully investigate this incident and come up with the correct conclusion.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jan 2015

I also fully believe that Elvis is in hiding in an ice rink in the Sahara.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
9. There used to be jokes about Russian Gov't credibility.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jan 2015

Dunno if you remember them or not, back in the 50's, during the cold war.
The jokes centered around how Russian citizens reacted to something the Gov't had said.

Now the joke is on us and it is not funny.

malaise

(268,966 posts)
10. So true but what amazes me is how
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jan 2015

more than a few rational people fall for the lies over and over

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
16. The funny or ironic thing
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jan 2015

is what our own government was doing in the 50's. You likely already know the examples.

I was reading about hippie subculture, things going on that led to it was things like Eisenhower being caught in a boldface lie & a combination of similar other things lead to this disillusionment with government which reading was unbelievable, while there is a massive disillusionment -- things like a President telling a bold face lie is so much a part of the status quo as half the partisans will pretend he is telling the truth & the other half argue, discredit, etc anyone who says otherwise or anyone who says something slightly different than the **Official Version**

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
15. If the circumstances are as Horton describes...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:55 AM
Jan 2015

Then this suicide crap is bullshit.
Another war crime for the Bushies to own.

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