My friend and I were having lunch the other day, discussing potential ways to profit

[randys1]

off of coming changes in Marijuana laws, and at one point he says to me:

"white people sure are fucked up"

We are both white, both liberals, and when the conversation changed to politics and shootings and so on, we both concluded that it sure seemed to us that most if not just about all the problems in America, at least, were directly related to the attitudes of white people.


For me, this statement is not even slightly controversial, but i guess for some it actually is.

As a white person I vow to do better, to stop being an asshole and better yet to call out other white assholes when I see or hear or read them.

[upaloopa]

1. Geez I hate self loathing and collective guilt trips!

Look in the mirrow and say "I" am fucking everything up.
That is who you can speak for. YOU
Now I guess you are going to call me an ass hole.
If you do then I'll agree you are an ass hole.

[Nye Bevan]

2. I wish you the greatest success in your vow (nt)

[randys1]

3. You and upaloopa, NEVER disappoint LOL

[upaloopa]

13. Tell me you really think the OP makes sense?

If so in what way? Can you point to other scholarly works that support the idea? Any links? I mean real hard facts and studies

[randys1]

14. Support what, that white people are assholes?

OH god, you MUST be kidding

[upaloopa]

19. No I am not kidding

I try but I can't come up with any fucked up put downs like you can. I try but it just isn't in me to do that.

[randys1]

20. ...here is your proof

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026090557

[upaloopa]

21. Proof of what that white people are ass holes?

Everyone one is an ass hole at times.

[randys1]

22. Just bow to my superior ability to make a point on the internet and go about your day

[upaloopa]

24. Sorry you don't convince me of anything.

Maybe you are an ass hole if you want that title I won't argue the point.
If this is just a game what's the point?

[jwirr]

34. And just who do think would have done a study like that? Our world is in horrible condition both

socially and environmentally. And the PTB are mostly white.

[NaturalHigh]

4. Cool story bro.

[Tsiyu]

5. I haven't been everywhere, Man, but assholes R

everywhere, Man.

As to the other remark in OP: Have you watched Pot Barons of Colorado? It's interesting to see what the dispensaries have to go through to be approved. Lots of money and no guarantee of acceptance, but if you are granted the license, it's big money.

However: Lots of $$$$, no banking services. The Feds ( Can you hear, Obama? ) need to approve banking for these businesses. They are putting good people at risk by forcing them to handle everything in cash and forcing them to hold cash. They are putting the employees at risk when it's payday by not allowing bank accounts for cannabis retailers and wholesalers.

Euflora - one of the companies featured - bought a bank to turn into a dispensary so they'd have their own vault.

It's ridiculous, when you can get a loan to sell liquor and get half your town drunk on the bank's dime.

We learned nothing from prohibition, except how to ruin good people with petty laws while the corrupt roam like Wildlings.

But it's not a skin color thing; it's a condition-of-the-soul thing.

[randys1]

6. Dispensaries are what they are called in states where it is NOT legal, I thought

for people with pot cards.

I dont recall what they had to go through in CO where it is legal to sell it, remind me

[Dreamer Tatum]

7. That is almost scary-coincidental.

MY friend and I were just talking about how fucked up you guys were.

Seriously: flogging yourself is fine, but no one appointed you Racial Hall Monitor.

[randys1]

8. We are white, so you were just talking about how fucked up us white guys are, dont blame you

[Dreamer Tatum]

9. I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of yourself. Don't be too disappointed

if others don't join you, however. Not because they're assholes and they need reeducation. They simply may not see things the same as you and your friend.

For example, I am not an asshole.

[randys1]

10. I dont know why you are so defensive, lets count how many feel the need to

attack what i said thus being defensive.

Maybe that is the lesson here.

There is so very much to learn if one were to analyze what white people in general but especially in america have wrought

if EVERY white american were to have these conversations, first by admitting the fucked up shit that has been done, it would greatly improve matters

[upaloopa]

16. You forgot to look in the mirrow I suggested.

You may not have noticed but being an ass hole is not a trait only possessed by white folks

[randys1]

17. Kinda like 2000 die and we barely notice, but 11 white folks in France is nonstop news

but NAH, you are right, it is ME who is the asshole

[tonedevil]

35. What is a...

mirrow? You used it twice and I don't think it means what you think it means.

[seveneyes]

11. Self reflection can often mirror your own mind recursively

It's not as if one is stuck in a loop, yet an upward spiral leaving a stack of unfinished business.

[randys1]

12. What do you see when you look in the mirror?

I see lots of ugly stuff based on the fact that I am a straight, white, former christian male...

[seveneyes]

18. I see the reverse image of what others see when they look at me

It's what is in the mind that matters most. A smile inside is hard to hide on the outside.

Perception senses itself.

[kentuck]

15. Is martyrdom a requirement?

to be part of the Democratic Party?

[Throd]

23. Just how much do I have to hate myself to be considered a "good" white person?

You seem obsessed with this concept.

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. There are no "good" white people. You've been here long enough to know that. Only "less bad".

And I think the only way to achieve the "less bad" status is to attend a protest rally doing something like block a thoroughfare, freeway, or Interstate highway... as long as you keep your mouth shut if you're white.

[Inkfreak]

25. lol (nt)

[glasshouses]

26. Why are you being an asshole ? from your post

"As a white person I vow to do better, to stop being an asshole "

[liberal_at_heart]

27. I was watching a business show on tv the other day and they were talking about how

in the future of cannabis will be in the hands of the guy in the business suit, not the stoner. I found this highly offensive. First of all. Wearing a suit does not somehow automatically mean you are more qualified to educate and sell marijuana than a stoner and what is wrong with being a stoner? Why is there still this stigma around being a stoner? Some stoners are very nice people. Some stoners are even patients who use marijuana to relieve symptoms of debilitating diseases. Personally, I would trust a MMJ patient over a business guy in a suit any day. A MMJ patient is more likely to be in it to help people, they will probably be more knowledgeable about cannabis and they are more likely to give a reasonable price than someone in a business suit.

[glasshouses]

29. The reason they said that is because of the money involved now

Your average stoner just doesn't have the $500,000 or million or so to get into a start up business in Colorado or
any other state where it might become legal.

To get into the game now legally it's big business and takes real deep pockets .

[kelliekat44]

28. You are going to be very busy. nt

[FrodosPet]

30. I have hated myself for being born with a Y chromosome and European ancestors

While it was hurting me, I could never figure out how it helped anyone else. I can't do much for anyone else if I have stressed myself to the point of sickness.

So I decided it would be better to just be a friendly, respectful, helpful person to everyone I can. Maybe you could consider that approach?

[Kablooie]

31. White people are the problem as well as black people and brown people and ...

all other colors of people because the problem is that people are the problem.

Anywhere you go people are fucked up. [url=http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo][img][/img][/url]

[MicaelS]

32. There's nothing quite like a self-loathing White Liberal.

The only thing that beats it, is the self-loathing member of the entire human race who thinks that the planet would be better off if all humanity were extinct.

[randys1]

33. ...

[Marengo]

37. Might I Suggest a Hairshirt?

Every itch will remind you of what an asshole you are.

[olddots]

38. its hard to think critically when we are self congraduatory

The ballance is in the pudding