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1/15/15
In their speeches and commentary, the administration, corporate interests and GOP leadership disregard the real, detrimental impacts that previous fast tracked trade deals...have had on Americas middle class.'
Fast-tracked international trade deals have led to exploding U.S. trade deficits, soaring food imports into the U.S., increased off-shoring of American jobs, and an "unprecedented rise in income inequality," according to new data released Thursday by the watchdog group Public Citizen.
The report, "Prosperity Undermined" (pdf), compiles and analyzes 20 years of trade and economic data to show that the arguments again being made in favor of providing the Obama administration with Fast Track trade authorityeffectively handing over extensive new executive powers and delegating away core congressional constitutional authoritieshave repeatedly proved false.
As an example, Public Citizen points to the damaging consequences of a 2011 trade deal with Korea, which expanded on the NAFTA model:
Since the Obama administration used Fast Track to push a trade agreement with Korea, the U.S. trade deficit with Korea has grown 50 percentwhich equates to 50,000 more American jobs lost. The U.S. had a $3 billion monthly trade deficit with Korea in October 2014the highest monthly U.S. goods trade deficit with the country on record. After the Korea FTA went into effect, U.S. small businesses exports to Korea declined more sharply than large firms exports, falling 14 percent.
President Barack Obama is expected to push Fast Track for the corporate-friendly Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which has been negotiated largely in secretwith significant input from Wall Street and big business interests. Even in the face of evidence that prior trade deals are not working, Public Citizen says, Obama has "doubled down on the old model with TPP."
"Its not surprising that Democrats and Republicans alike are speaking out against Fast Track because it cuts Congress out of shaping trade pacts that most Americans believe cost jobs while empowering the president to sign and enter into secret deals before Congress approves them," said Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizens Global Trade Watch. "In their speeches and commentary, the administration, corporate interests and GOP leadership disregard the real, detrimental impacts that previous fast tracked trade dealswhich serve as the model for the Trans-Pacific Partnershiphave had on Americas middle class over the past 20 years."
President Obama is likely to use next week's State of the Union address to push for TPP passage and Fast Track authority, Dave Johnson predicts in an op-ed published Thursday....
But first, of course trade is a good and necessary thing. We all trade with others. This is how people, businesses and even countries make a living. Critics of our countrys current trade policies are not anti-trade; they are anti-trade-deficit. They are opposed to the use of so-called trade agreements to promote the interests of the largest multinational and Wall Street corporations at the expense of Americas working people, its middle class, its domestic Main Street companies, our environment and the countrys long-term economic health.
Compare the timeline of a chart of our countrys trade deficits with the increase in the economic tensions of our middle class, our manufacturing regions and other economic troubles:
http://ourfuture.org/20150115/as-obama-pushes-tpp-in-sotu-keep-this-in-mind
daleanime
(17,796 posts)nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)by someone that could actually think
But a Democrat led the charge for what we have now
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Hindsight is 20/20. So is looking at realities today. Its amazing that conservatives spin this as a good thing for US.
The audacity.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said that he is involved in "active discussions" to move ahead on Trade Promotion Authority, which would give Congress an up or down vote on any trade agreements that reach Capitol Hill.
I am happy the president has now become a born-again free trader. It's high-time," McConnell told reporters.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/228830-mcconnell-says-obama-born-again-on-trade-agenda
I like how he tries to spin that Obama hasn't always been for these fast-track trade deals, helping him out because of candidate Obama's stance. But he did the Korea deal and has been working on TPP from the start, when Hillary was helping put it together as well while in the State Dept.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)... they seldom, very seldom, get called on it.
Politicians are literally allowed to create their own realities (especially if it helps divide the nation), and the corporate media will NOT expose them. The politicians clearly know this as well.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)is marginalized.
The world just becomes one large "darkling plain,
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night."
pampango
(24,692 posts)that we have 'free-trade' agreements with. That is true in both absolute and in percentage terms.
In 2013 our total trade with the the 20 countries with which we had 'free-trade' agreements was $1.448 trillion. We had a trade deficit of $92.4 billion (6.5% of the total) with them. Exports were 47% and imports were 53% of the total.
In 2013 our total trade with the rest of the world was $2.731 trillion. We had a deficit of $765.5 billion (27.2% of the total). Exports were 36.5% and imports were 63.5%.
In 2013 the amount of our trade with non-'free trade' countries ($2.7 trillion) was about twice as large as with 'free trade' countries ($1.4 trillion), but our trade deficit ($765 billion vs. $92 billion) was 8 times larger with non-'free trade' countries.
Our trade deficit with non-"free trade" countries is much larger both in absolute and percentage terms. It makes no sense to want to preserve the status quo with those countries.
Our trade deficit is certainly a problem but it is not due to 'free trade' agreements. In fact we do better with those countries. Imports are 13% of our economy. They are 34% in Germany. Which has a healthier middle class and stronger unions.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Germany doesn't have a scorched earth policy toward their workers and manufacturing jobs as we do in the US.
pampango
(24,692 posts)As far as manufacturing jobs, they have dropped dramatically in Germany (as elsewhere) though their manufacturing output has increased tremendously.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Here's what was going in 2012~
U.S. Trade Deficits Grow More Than 440% with FTA Countries, but Decline 7% with Non-FTA Countries
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/02/job-killing-trade-deficits-soar-under-free-trade-agreements.html
pampango
(24,692 posts)At the link you provided: the US trade deficit with "FTA" countries in 2013 was $180 billion while the trade deficit with non-"FTA" countries was $687 billion. It also shows that our trade balance has improved with 13 of the countries after "FTA's" were signed and gotten worse in 7 countries.
(The figure for some countries at the link are incorrect. Our trade deficit with Mexico in 2013 was $54 billion not $96 billion. Our trade deficit with Canada is $31 billion not $81 billion. I did not check the other countries' numbers.
I got my figures by adding the import and export figures for the 20 "FTA" countries and subtracting the totals from our total international trade numbers.
Germany, Sweden and many other countries with high wages and strong unions do well in international trade. And those countries have more "FTA's" than the US will ever have. Is there some reason that the US cannot do as well as they do?
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)You think we fudged our own bad numbers?
I have to work, but this is a strange conversation to have with a fellow Democrat. You're talking in circles, and it seems like you're just making up figures.
I don't have time though for a full discussion though.
Have a good one~
pampango
(24,692 posts)source - the US International Trade Commission. But the numbers they used at the link you provided to reach their conclusions were not the numbers actually from the USITC.
They cite the US International Trade Commission as the source for their statistics but a cursory glance at that site shows shows that, at the very least, the figures for our 2013 trade deficit with Canada and Mexico are not accurately represented on the citizen.org table in the article. Here is the link to the ITC and the actual trade deficit figures for 2013: http://dataweb.usitc.gov/scripts/cy_m3_run.asp Here is the link to the Census showing trade with Mexico: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c2010.html And here is the Census date for trade with Canada: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html
Seeking to base a discussion of trade policy on facts is "unDemocratic"? Quite the contrary, I think that discussing issues without facts is republicans are quite good at.
If you check the US International Trade Commission and the Census Department, you will see that I am not the one "making up figures".
You have a good one, too.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)NY's small businesses need CUSTOMERS, not tax breaks!
http://www.newsday.com/business/survey-no-1-challenge-for-n-y-companies-is-finding-customers-1.9811784
Finding customers is the No. 1 challenge faced by small- and medium-sized businesses in New York State, not taxes, according to a survey released Thursday.
Only 4 percent of companies with fewer than 500 employees ranked taxes as their top challenge in the first half of 2014, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported. Ninety-nine percent of all firms in the state are that size, according to census data.
Of the 656 businesses surveyed last fall by the New York Fed, a quarter said attracting customers was their biggest challenge. Nineteen percent listed uneven cash flow and 15 percent cited credit availability.
The responses were included in a credit survey by four Federal Reserve banks. The survey is conducted twice a year and helps to inform the nation's central bank about business financing.
Lets get those SALARIES up guys. Customers can't spend what they don't have. Trickle down, supply-side crap is moldy old BS and everyone knows it now.
(crosspost fr NY forum)
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)The U.S. free traders naively carry the banner of free trade in the global war, as we continue to grow the trade deficit, lose jobs, and go deeper into debt. I think we should develop a plan to reduce the trade deficit and balance our trade no matter what it takes. We are being sucker punched by mercantilism while the multi-national corporations and Wall Street lobby Congress for the status quo.
Any kind of plan to grow American manufacturing must address the trade deficit first. In my opinion we are not going to make any real progress in creating manufacturing jobs unless we recognize that the trade deficit is the biggest job killer and currency manipulation and VATS are the tools.
The good news is that taking action on reducing the trade deficit (other then setting goals) could have an immediate affect. The Economic Policy Institute EPI reports that realigning our exchange rates could:
reduce our trade deficit by up to $500 billion by 2015
Increase our GDP growth by 4.9% per year
grow the number of manufacturing jobs by 16% or 2,300,000 jobs
and the increased tax revenues could reduce the federal budget deficit $266 billion by 2016
Robert Scott, the primary author of the report says, New fiscal stimulus is all but impossible, so ending currency manipulation is the best available tool for stimulating demand for domestic spending and ending the hangover of excess unemployment from the Great Recession.
You dont have to be an economist to see that accepting growing trade deficits with no plan to reduce the debt is a house of cards waiting for some kind of macro economic trigger to cause a collapse. The winners and supporters of trade deficits assume that financing trade deficits can go on ad-infinitum, but I believe the trade deficit is not sustainable over the long term. At some point in time the lenders may decide that they are holding too many dollars or U.S. Securities and reduce or stop loaning us money. Or even more likely, we may get into a military or state department dispute with China and they could punish us by cutting off the loans. This could cause a rapid devaluation of the dollar and lead to a currency crash.
...The trade deficit is slowly hollowing out our economy and neither liberals nor conservatives seem to care. I thought that free enterprise conservatism would rise up against mercantilism and unfair trade. I mean, after all, isnt conservatism about conserving, paying down debt, balancing budgets, and saving money for a rainy day?
I believe in the free enterprise system, open markets, reducing tariffs, eliminating VAT taxes, but free enterprise and free trade depend on open competition and a level playing field for all trading countries. I am sure that many people will cry that stopping currency manipulation or countering VAT taxes is protectionist and will cause a trade war. But we are already in a trade war and are losing decisively. The future is now.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/01/15/americas-trade-deficit-the-job-killer/3/
KoKo
(84,711 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)Those who opposed those agreements were mocked as being old fashioned, not understanding the benefits of Free Trade.
Those who benefited were the multinational corporations who were free to move production to wherever they could get the cheapest labor, regardless of the devastating impact here in the USA.
Now that we have the results of NAFTA CAFTA and other such agreements are quite clear, the TPP negotiations and content has been kept as secret as possible.
If such agreements had been successful for our country, the secrecy would not be necessary.
Because the TPP goes even farther and gives multinational corporations even more power over local governments and national legislation.
http://www.citizen.org/TPP
Although it is called a "free trade" agreement, the TPP is not mainly about trade. Of TPP's 29 draft chapters, only five deal with traditional trade issues. One chapter would provide incentives to offshore jobs to low-wage countries. Many would impose limits on government policies that we rely on in our daily lives for safe food, a clean environment, and more. Our domestic federal, state and local policies would be required to comply with TPP rules.
The TPP would even elevate individual foreign firms to equal status with sovereign nations, empowering them to privately enforce new rights and privileges, provided by the pact, by dragging governments to foreign tribunals to challenge public interest policies that they claim frustrate their expectations. The tribunals would be authorized to order taxpayer compensation to the foreign corporations for the "expected future profits" they surmise would be inhibited by the challenged policies.
We only know about the TPP's threats thanks to leaks the public is not allowed to see the draft TPP text. Even members of Congress, after being denied the text for years, are now only provided limited access. Meanwhile, more than 500 official corporate "trade advisors" have special access. The TPP has been under negotiation for six years, and the Obama administration wants to sign the deal this year. Opposition to the TPP is growing at home and in many of the other countries involved.
marmar
(77,078 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Therefore it wasn't bad!.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)The jobs destroyed by NAFTA were replaced by a larger number of higher paying jobs (though the tech boom destroyed more jobs than NAFTA could ever dream of).
Free trade + high taxes + high social spending works well in Europe, and it worked well for us 20 years ago.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Just because one event follows another in time does not mean the first event caused the second.
If that were true, we desperately need to cut spending on science, space and technology to stop people from hanging themselves. http://www.tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=1597 We also need to ban marriage in Alabama in order to stop people from being electrocuted by power lines. http://www.tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=677
The jobs lost to NAFTA were low-skill factory jobs. Those people did not have the education and background to quickly switch to high-skill tech jobs, yet that is what your analysis is claiming.
You can't take a factory worker and just plop them in front of a computer and tell them to write software. They have to get education/training first, and that takes multiple years. If ever.
Humans are not fungible, and economic systems to not react instantly.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)exploit the poverty wages of foreign countries, strip jobs from Americans, and swallow billions in profits on our backs. (Plus allow foreign corps to have property rights , etc over American citizens.)
Which is why our unions are fighting the TPP~
With the White House potentially on the verge of "fast-tracking" the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a measure expected to lower or eliminate trade barriers between the United States and 11 Pacific Rim nations, U.S. labor unions are once again voicing reservations, selfishly fighting to keep costs on imports high for all Americans.
American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) President Richard Trumka says the proposal is flawed and will promote "wealth for the 1%, with poverty for the rest of us," while Teamsters President James Hoffa says the TPP will allow American corporations to offshore more manufacturing jobs.
The TPP talks have been ongoing for years. They were supposed to wrap up in 2012 and then 2014, but opponents have repeatedly delayed their completionthough a finish line may be in sight given the new Republican-controlled Congress.
These TPP talks come two decades after unions fought against the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which opened up trade restrictions between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico in 1994. Former presidential candidate and staunch protectionism proponent Ross Perot once declared that NAFTA would create "a giant sucking sound" of jobs leaving the U.S. for Mexico. More recently, the liberal magazine The Nation called the TPP a "massive assault on democracy" and "NAFTA on steroids."...
http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/13/us-unions-fight-free-trade-trans-pacific
Octafish
(55,745 posts)OP way back when: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024904802
Seeing how well NAFTA turned out, count me a critic, too.
Obama Blasted for Lumping Critics of Trade Deal Secrecy with 'Conspiracy Theorists'
'If the president is concerned that people don't know what's going on in the negotiations then the president should release the text and remove it from being a state secret.'
- Sarah Lazare, staff writer
Published on Friday, May 2, 2014 by Common Dreams
Critics of the highly-secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations responded with outrage after U.S. President Barack Obama charged they have a "lack of knowledge of what is going on in the negotiations" and dismissed their concerns as "conspiracy theories."
The president made the comments this week during a press conference in Malaysiaone of the stops on his Asia-Pacific tour, aimed at advancing the TPP and the U.S. military "pivot" to the region. His tour has been met with region-wide protests against the economic and military agenda of the U.S.
SNIP...
Bernadette Ellorin, Chairperson of BAYAN-USAan alliance of Filipino organizations in the U.S., told Common Dreams, "President Obama lacks knowledge of how so-called 'free trade agreements' impact people on the ground. The push-back he has gotten over the TPP comes from people who have long-suffered from these impacts."
"He should go back and talk with the parent-less children in the region, whose parents had no choice but to look for work overseas because they couldn't find work in their own country due to these so-called 'free trade' agreements," she added. "He should go back and talk to the indigenous children whose parents were killed by paramilitary groups because greater foreign investment stipulations in these agreements have led to forced evacuations and militarization of their land for the purpose of large scale foreign mining."
CONTINUED...
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/05/02-5
Which is sad, really, as so many people think officials the United States government are incapable of lying or doing anything criminal or using office for personal enrichment.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)and their purchased, lying politicians. This is the result of corporate money's flooding every corner of government.
The parties collude on this predatory agenda of antidemocratic "free trade" agreements, endless MIC war for profit, and the police-surveillance state.
United oligarchy, not divided democracy.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Brings back the glorious days when the same "bi-partisanship" passed NAFTA~
At a press conference Thursday, AFP President Tim Phillips couldn't stop talking about the great things that happened during Clinton's eight years in office, when the Democratic president worked with the Republican Congress "to accomplish a lot for the country on the economic freedom front." The dynamic duo passed NAFTA to foster trade among the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. They also balanced the budget and reformed welfare....
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-01-15/koch-group-nostalgic-for-clinton-era
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Not just because of the predatory agenda, but also because of the optics.
After six years of predation and expansion of the Bush agenda by corporate Democrats, people were finally waking up to the sham of our democracy and the two-(corporate) party system. People were mobilizing to demand real change.
Now, the "Accept Doom" strategy of the midterms, putting Republicans into power, lets them have two full years in which corporate Dems can wail impotently alongside the rest of us and pretend to support all those liberal policies they mocked and insulted Americans for wanting for the past six years. What better way to dupe America into forgetting six years of betrayal? What better way to get people to stop all this silly talk about oligarchy and the need for drastic, systemic change?
Corporate Democrats will be SAYING the right things again, and we can all be lulled into believing we still have a democracy, and we just need to vote the mean Republicans out and get the corporate Democrats back in...
And millions more will be pushed into poverty and despair, the bloody wars for profit will continue to spread, and we will see our democratic nation drowned in the toilet.
Here comes the TPP. No, our democracy is not intact. We'll hear a lot of lies to try to convince us that real opposition can and will come from the corporate status quo in our party.
We know better.