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unrepentant progress

(611 posts)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:31 PM Jan 2015

In loco parentis or just plain loco? Illinois schools can now demand students' Facebook passwords.

Indeed, this week Illinois parents began receiving a letter from school authorities informing them that their children's social media passwords may now have to be handed over, as part of school discipline. Motherboard reports that it obtained one of these letters. It reads, in part:

School authorities may require a student or his or her parent/guardian to provide a password or other related account information in order to gain access to his/her account or profile on a social networking website if school authorities have reasonable cause to believe that a student's account on a social networking site contains evidence that a student has violated a school disciplinary rule or procedure.

You might imagine that this stipulation only applies to school computers and activity on school premises. It does not. The schools may ask for passwords and search on the basis of any posting by a student at any time and in any place. And who will decide what is reasonable cause? Leigh Lewis, superintendent of Triad Community Schools Unit District 2, told Motherboard that if someone didn't cooperate, there might be trouble. Not detention, criminal charges.

Those of sharp eyes and, perhaps, parenting experience, will wonder just what private information the schools might encounter as they search for their alleged evidence. As one parent who had received the latter, Sarah Bozarth, told KTVI: "It's one thing for me to take my child's social media account in there and open it up for the teacher to look at (...) but to have to hand over your passport and personal information to your accounts to the school is just not acceptable."

More: http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/new-illinois-law-allows-schools-to-demand-students-facebook-passwords
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In loco parentis or just plain loco? Illinois schools can now demand students' Facebook passwords. (Original Post) unrepentant progress Jan 2015 OP
I'm sure no kids sharp_stick Jan 2015 #1
It's not just their Facebook passwords unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #2
I'd defy it, and take them to court. closeupready Jan 2015 #3
What are they going to do if they refuse? Waterboard 'em? Agony Jan 2015 #4
I would Sherman A1 Jan 2015 #5
See ya in court, authoritarian scum. TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #6
The EFF and I would be in court faster than you could say "There goes our property taxes now!" nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #7
Oh, I certainly hope the EFF or somebody similar sues Illinois over this unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #11
Or what? They torture them? hunter Jan 2015 #8
I don't see how this is even legal. Terra Alta Jan 2015 #9
Neither do I unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #10
That violates terms of service tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #12
Not sharing passwords pipi_k Jan 2015 #19
latest fb/fox rumor. not true. mopinko Jan 2015 #13
You are incorrect. This is not a rumor. unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #14
bullies. not any kid, but a kid whose social media is being used to bully. mopinko Jan 2015 #15
If my daughter brought home a letter like that LibertyLover Jan 2015 #16
Absolutely not... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #17
Facebook is already too full of parents, most kids know that bhikkhu Jan 2015 #18

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. I'm sure no kids
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jan 2015

would ever consider setting up a fake Facebook account.
1) Crazy Johnnie and his wildly druken sexcapades
as opposed to
2) Johnnie volunteer and alterboy.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
3. I'd defy it, and take them to court.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jan 2015

No way would I consent to this. Punitive damages would be the frosting on the cake, if successful.

Three years ago, however, 12-year-old Riley Stratton sued her Minnesota schools district after she claimed she'd been coerced into revealing her Facebook password. Last year, the case was settled with the Minnewaska Schools District paying Stratton $70,000. In this case, Stratton was accused of writing nasty things about her hall monitor.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
5. I would
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:52 PM
Jan 2015

under no circumstances surrender a password to anyone. There is too much chance of an account being hacked or an identity stolen.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
6. See ya in court, authoritarian scum.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jan 2015

You know how to make out the check and thanks for tackling that college tuition for us.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
9. I don't see how this is even legal.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jan 2015

I have no problem with parents having the passwords to their teenagers' social media account, but school authorities need to keep their noses out of it.

Also, who would be in trouble for not cooperating? The parents, the student, or both? And what, exactly, would they be charged with? I wish them luck in court, because I don't see how it would hold up.

10. Neither do I
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jan 2015

Law enforcement can get Facebook (or Twitter, or whatever) to turn over your posts without your knowledge, but it generally requires a warrant (or FISA request). Schools aren't law enforcement though.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
12. That violates terms of service
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jan 2015

Not that I have read any of those lately, but most websites have a TOS agreement and one of the clauses in it is not sharing passwords (I'm sure DU has something similar).

I've heard of employers doing this too. One of these days it's going to head to the Supreme Court.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
19. Not sharing passwords
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jan 2015
Not that I have read any of those lately, but most websites have a TOS agreement and one of the clauses in it is not sharing passwords (I'm sure DU has something similar).



I'm pretty sure what that means is that people are not supposed to give their passwords to someone else in order that the other person can use that account.

14. You are incorrect. This is not a rumor.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:32 PM
Jan 2015

However it may be individual schools over-reaching. Here is more info.

The memo is very similar to a "model letter" put out by the Illinois Principals Association, and parents around the state are presumably receiving this letter.

Nowhere in the law does it explicitly state that schools are allowed to ask for students' passwords, but one section of it says that schools must implement a policy that includes a "process to investigate whether a reported act of bullying is within the permissible scope of the district's or school's jurisdiction." The cybersecurity law, when ​combined with one that went into effect last year specifically governing social media, may have spurred these letters.

That law states that elementary and secondary schools must notify parents if they plan to ask for a password, and that it can be asked for if a student violates policy. The cyberbullying law codifies the idea that Facebook harassment is a violation of code policy, which is why you see these letters popping up.

Leigh Lewis, superintendent of the Triad district, told me that if a student refuses to cooperate, the district could presumably press criminal charges.

More: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/illinois-says-students-have-to-give-up-facebook-passwords-or-face-prosecution


And here's the model letter from the Illinois Principals Association website.

School authorities may require a student or his or her parent or guardian to provide a password or other related account information in order to gain access to the student's account or profile on a social networking website if school authorities have reasonable cause to believe that a student's account on a social networking website contains evidence that a student has violated a school disciplinary rule or procedure.

More: http://www.ilprincipals.org/model-student-handbook/chapter-6-discipline-and-conduct/6.70-e1-letter-to-parents-guardians-regarding-access-to-student-social-networking-passwords-and-websites

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
15. bullies. not any kid, but a kid whose social media is being used to bully.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jan 2015

iow, accused of a crime.
not any kid.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
16. If my daughter brought home a letter like that
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jan 2015

I would send back a one word response, on a nice note card of course, that simply read "No."

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
18. Facebook is already too full of parents, most kids know that
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jan 2015

(at least according to mine). Now if they asked for the tumbler accounts...that might be trouble!

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