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Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:36 PM

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.


President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015

Talk...meet walk.







More Here~ http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2015/01/everybody-matters.html

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:41 PM

1. once again, great post sheshe!

love this pic!


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Response to napkinz (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:47 PM

3. thanks napkinz.

yes that pic was remarkable. the newtown sibs. they are so beautiful.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:45 PM

2. K & R, a great post.

If we use your thoughts and realize everybody matters then we will not have to spend wasted time trying to determine who we need to hate, thanks, yes it is okay to know everyone matters.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:06 PM

4. That little girl in the wheelchair

Such sweetness. My heart!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:14 PM

5. kick

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:34 PM

6. K & R!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:43 PM

7. for an opposing opinion here is Iowa's own Steve King

“#Obama perverts ‘prosecutorial discretion’ by inviting a deportable to sit in place of honor at #SOTU w/1st Lady,” King wrote. “I should sit with Alito.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/state-of-the-union-2015-steve-king-114410.html

a truly disgusting human

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Response to rurallib (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:46 PM

8. Steve King

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Response to napkinz (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:51 PM

9. +10000

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Response to rurallib (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:09 PM

167. a "deportable" ?



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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:54 PM

10. Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

 




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Response to WillyT (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:33 AM

146. Thank you WillyT

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:15 AM

11. I've been thoroughly frustrated with some actions, inactions and decisions; but ultimately he's...

a class act and I'm going to miss him.
Heck with Hillary, has anyone thought about drafting Michelle for 2016? Bernie as VP?
Would this be a good survey to start on the WH website? We could tell Michelle she wouldn't even have to pack up.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:30 AM

12. Yes, and it matters so much that we have President Obama who actually feels that way.. thank

you, she.

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Response to Cha (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:34 AM

13. I loved that part of his speech Cha!

actually I loved it all. This stood out.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:40 AM

16. Yes again.. and to those who are saying it was "meaningless".. I say

they don't get it. It was not. So what the gop won't pass anything? We already know that.. but this is to tell America and the World what we Dems are all about and to set us up for 2016..and whomever the candidate is would be smart to build on it.

#Matters.. 2015 SOTU


President Barack Obama greets 103-year-old Civil Rights legend Amelia Boynton Robinson with Rep. Terri Sewell, D-Ala., at the U.S. Capitol before delivering the State of the Union address in the House Chamber in Washington, D.C., Jan. 20, 2015 (Photo by Pete Souza)

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/01/21/when-hope-and-history-rhyme/


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Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:46 AM

17. I saw Amelia in the balcony with Michelle last night.

Civil rights legend at 103. Damn she is beautiful. I love seeing her with PBO!

Thanks for that picture Cha.

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Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:20 AM

43. A life lived with honor, and honor recieved. People who walk the high road... Beautiful.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:54 AM

47. Well said, fresh~

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:34 AM

14. seeing Michelle Obama at the SOTU last night, and then here in this pic

 

She's always been beautiful, but how is she appearing so much younger and more glamorous as time goes on.

Love her, but yeah, I'm jealous.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:37 AM

15. What about the doubling of homeless students?

 

The jobs destroyed by Obama's three free trade agreements signed so far, with the TPP, TTIP, and more in the works?

The elderly who'll be cold and/or hungry if Obama gets the Social Security cuts he seeks?

The millions who've lost their homes because the White House refuses to implement the programs they've promised, probably because it would make bankers grumpy?

The young black men whom the DOJ won't protect from unwarranted police violence?

Talk. Is. Cheap.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:17 AM

18. Talk is cheap. I agree. So.....

Care to back up your statements with a few facts? IE links please.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:29 AM

20. 1.

 

Number of Homeless Students Reaches All-Time High

"During the 2012-13 school year, 1,258,182 students enrolled in public school across the country were homeless, according to the data released Monday. That's an 8 percent increase from the previous school year, and more than an 85 percent increase from the 2006-07 school year."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:43 AM

24. Dayum! I knew of the satire Manny's

 

but I never saw this no hold's barred/pissed off Manny

People are trying, for what it's worth

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-lesley/13-million-children-shoul_b_6127784.html

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Response to KMOD (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:51 AM

29. Oh, Manny's pretty well had it with the rapacious Predator Class

 

and their paid help in the White House and Congress.

Much suffering and death, for a few pieces of silver.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:02 AM

126. Lol~

Manny got his ass kicked here.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:35 AM

48. They've redefined "homeless" so the districts get more money--that's what is happening here.

If you are living with granny, or in Auntie's basement apartment, you are now considered "homeless" by those looking for federal funding/grant money. If you are living in "temporary shelter" -- for example, a hotel room, often in a facility largely given over to families without permanent housing--you are regarded as homeless.

So yeah, whatever. When I was a kid, if you lived with your grandma, you lived with your grandma. That was your home. It didn't make you homeless if a relative took you into their home--it made you "living with a relative" and maybe your parent(s) weren't thrilled, but you had a roof over your head. If you lived in a hotel or a short-term rental, you lived in a crappy situation, but you also had a roof over your head, a place to receive mail.

That said, if grant money depends on counting "homelessness" as having to live with relatives, or in a transitional housing situation, then that's the new definition.

Easy to make those figures go way up when you fiddle with the definitions. This is touched upon deep in your source:

The situation could be troublesome because the data released by the education department show an increasing number of homeless youth are living in hotels or motels, or doubled-up with friends or relatives. The percentage of homeless youth living in hotels or motels jumped by 9.6 percent from the 2010-11 school year to the 2012-13 school year, while the percentage of homeless students who were unsheltered - sleeping on the streets - decreased by 30.6 percent. The number of students living with friends or family also increased by 4.4 percent during the same time.


You can see how the topic is wrestled to the ground (if your home is "inadequate" then you can be counted as homeless) here:

http://www.homelesschildrenamerica.org/pdf/full_report/appendix_1.pdf

This Report Card uses the broader definition of homelessness as contained in the education subtitle of the McKinney-Vento
Act, Title X, Part C, of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 and includes those who are living in motels and those who
share living situations temporarily because of loss of housing, economic hardship, or similar reasons.
This definition more
accurately reflects the reality of family homelessness by defining “‘homeless children and youth’ as individuals who lack a
fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence.” The term includes children and youth who are:1
Sharing the housing of other persons due to loss of housing, economic hardship, or a similar reason (sometimes
referred to as doubled-up);
• Living in motels, hotels, trailer parks, or camping grounds due to lack of alternative accommodations;

• Living in emergency or transitional shelters;
• Abandoned in hospitals;
• Awaiting foster care placement;
• Using a primary nighttime residence that is a public or private place not designed for, or ordinarily used as, a regular
sleeping accommodation for human beings;
• Living in cars, parks, public spaces, abandoned buildings, substandard housing, bus or train stations, or similar settings;
and
• Migratory children who qualify as homeless because they are living in circumstances described above.

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Response to MADem (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:49 PM

53. Are you claiming that "homelessness" was redefined

 

in the period hilighted in the article?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:24 PM

58. I am TELLING you that homelessness was first redefined by NCLB, and

districts, counties and states have not all gotten on board with the new criteria all at the same time. This is why the numbers are going UP, even though actual "on the street" homelessness is plummeting as these agencies begin to apply the new guidelines.

You can read as easily as anyone else, and you've got Google--go do the work if you really want to learn.

This was discussed at length here on DU--before you arrived, I imagine. You can find the discussions in the archives if you're really interested.

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Response to MADem (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:04 PM

63. Yet another attempt at an "adult conversation" goes down in flames

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025934426



Your comments about homelessness and NCLB are definitely food for thought.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:20 PM

67. Hah!

Irony is not dead, the link proves that!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:05 PM

80. Thank you Number23!

Absolutely perfect.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #63)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:15 AM

117. Whoop. There it is!

 

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Response to MADem (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:51 PM

76. Thanks MADem. I think the hope was that no one would actually bother to read the link.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:31 PM

85. These are very old, very lame arguments being dragged out, all they're doing is derailing.

All heat--no light. And most of the heat is coming from GOP-friendly sources!!

It's so easy to tear down, and so much harder to lift up. Those who can, do, and those who cannot, or will not, will post garbage on the internet to try to make people as miserable as they are. It's a sad, sad situation. "I'm not happy, ergo, you must not be happy either!!"

I feel sorry for people who are like that--imagine having to go through life looking for happy little threads on DU to shit on, just to get that all-important FEEEEEEEDBACK!!!!! Because making people cry, or get irritated, or get upset, or be saddened...why, that's IMPORTANT!!!!!!! It makes the shitter feel ..... ALIVE!!!!!!! Wonder what people did before the internet? Make prank phone calls? Then Caller ID ruined their fun!!! Damn the bad luck!!!!

I'll throw in one of these, even though I know you take my point!

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Response to MADem (Reply #85)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:58 PM

86. "I feel sorry for people who are like that--imagine having to go through life looking for

happy little threads on DU to shit on.. " And, with ignorant talking points, too. What a waste.

Thank you for highlighting all that info on Homelessness, MADem.. I was homeless once or twice and thanks the Dems and President Obama's policies I have help to not be. I really appreciate them for all the ways they're helping the Homeless and trying to help the poor.

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Response to Cha (Reply #86)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:36 AM

128. Boom!

You nailed it Cha.

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Response to MADem (Reply #85)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:30 PM

91. Next to last paragraph is THE definition of a concern troll. Or just a plain troll.

It's behavior, not the subtext used that determines the act. It's pretty stale, textbook trolling by means of derailing.

I don't respond when I see propositions put forth easily disproved by facts, links and civics repeatedly to a poster. I've stopped doing the work for such posters, as it takes considerable time, such as the last one that got dozens of rebuttals.

That was just one instance of this. The poster did not respond to most of the answers, nor admit to the error, which might be understandable from being a bit embarrassed or confused, despite doubling down.

But jumped to another thread to spread the same misinformation gathered from RW memes. That said quite a bit about him. He had recieved a well deserved thrashing, as delicately doled out as the truth can be safely administered.

I'm glad you're capable of doing so within the bounds of civility, after a while, I just want to say:



But I don't bother to school anyone here. Here is my and to you.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #91)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:05 AM

98. Agreed



Lol~ 2 more and I am kicking this to 100 for DU to see what is happening at DU. Bullies.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #98)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:35 AM

121. First sign of derailment or utter cluelessness, use this to alert those that their posts are:



A self-aware, cognizant person who read the OP and not the names, would realize this thread is clearly a celebration of the most cherished American values that have brought people from around the globe to live here. They believe, they hope and they do make their lives better.

OP is not a policy discussion, but meant to announce a return to the values BushCo discarded as he shredded the American conscience. He deliberately gave democracy such a bad name that he empowered fascists and bigots. Now some people will prefer fascism or theocracy. That's the end result of BushCo's acts and it was intentional.

Let Obama show these posters they are OFF TOPIC. Derailing by not commenting on the OP, denied people a chance to talk about Equality for all Americans and for would be Americans. The posters that have derailed are refusing to allow a discussion of the beauty of inclusiveness fostered by the Constitution and Amendments, and that reflects badly on them.

But what Obama said still speaks to a beautiful American Ideal. Have a good night.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #121)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:42 AM

123. Pitch Perfect as always.




The posters that have derailed are refusing to allow a discussion of the beauty of inclusiveness fostered by the Constitution and Amendments, and that reflects badly on them.



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Response to freshwest (Reply #121)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:51 AM

124. Superb illustration!!!!!!!!! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #124)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:43 AM

130. Those values need to be discussed. The love they express resonate around the planet:



Andrea Bocelli ~ Canto Della Terra

Si lo so
Amore che io e te
Forse stiamo insieme
Solo qualche instante
Zitti stiamo
Ad ascoltare
Il cielo
Alla Finestra
Questo mondo che
Si Sveglia e la notte e
Gia cosi lontana
Gia lontana

Guarda questa terra che
Che gira insieme a noi
Anche quando e buio
Guarda questa terra che
Che gira anche per noi
A darci un po' di
Sole, sole, sole

My love che sei l'amore mio
Sento la tua voce
E ascolto il mare
Sembra davvero il tuo respiro
L'amore che mi dai
Questo amore che
Sta li nascosto
In mezzo alle sue onde
A tutte le sue onde
Come una barca che

Guarda questa terra che
Che gira insieme a noi
Anche quando e buio
Guarda questa terra che
Che gira anche per noi
A darci un po' di
Sole, sole, sole
Sole, sole, sole

Guarda questa terra che
Che gira insieme a noi
A darci un po' di sole
Mighty sun
Mighty sun
Mighty sun


In English:

Yes I know
My love, that you and I
Are together briefly
For just a few moments
In silence
As we look out of our windows
And listen
To the sky
And to a world
That's awakening
And the night is already far away
Already, far away

Look at this world
Spinning with us
Even in the dark
Look at this world
Spinning for us
Giving us hope and some
Sun, sun sun

My love, you are you my love
I hear your voice,
And I listen to the sea.
It sounds just like your breathing
And all the love you want to give me
This love
That is there, hidden
Hidden among the waves
All the waves in the world
Just like a boat that...

Look at this world
Spinning with us
Even in the dark
Look at this world
Spinning for us
Giving us hope,
And some sun, sun, sun,
Some sun, sun, sun.

Look at this world
Spinning with us
Giving us some sun,
Mighty sun
Mighty sun
Mighty sun

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/andrea_bocelli/canto_della_terra.html

And use the illustration above wherever you please, it's a good meme for this situation.

'Night, MADem!

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Response to freshwest (Reply #130)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:30 AM

144. Thank you freshwest~

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Response to freshwest (Reply #91)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:17 PM

172. gathered from RW memes

exactly!

I love that cat gif!

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Response to MADem (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:14 PM

171. Oh wow, thank you for that!

Imagine that! Using a tool that was used for good to imply things are worse!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:12 PM

169. so get congress to pass a law that will help with that

Maybe Liz Warren can fight for it.

That's not Obama's fault. It's our fault we can do nothing about it for electing a Republican Congress.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:37 AM

22. 3.

 

AARP: What's the Chained CPI?

"You start to get the picture. The gap accelerates and begins looking like real money. If you're 62 and take early retirement this year, by age 92 — when health care costs can skyrocket and more than 1 in 6 older Americans lives in poverty — you'll be losing a full month of income every year."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:44 AM

25. I already knew this.

Obama passed this? Really? Yessssss it was on the table several years ago. Has it happened no.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:58 AM

31. Poor thing.. desperately reaching for straws .. trying to bring others down to his level

of ***.



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Response to Cha (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:05 AM

35. As usual, a totally fact-free attack on the messenger

 

How about some facts instead of meanness and pom-poms?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:39 AM

147. K~

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:30 PM

198. Lol!!!

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:37 AM

45. I'd love to hear a substantive response as well. /nt

 

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Response to Marr (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:40 AM

129. Care to answer the OP Marr?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #129)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:11 AM

134. There's no question in your OP. Again, a substantive response to the info that Manny

 

posted for you would be appreciated. You asked for it, it was provided. If you can't rebut it, you should apologize for your insults and move along.

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Response to Marr (Reply #134)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:34 AM

136. Actually Marr this is my Op.

Not Manny's though he believes it is. You are right, no real question in my Op, yet you could at least comment on it.

Neither you or Manny came here to comment on what I posted. You both came here to be rude, crude, DEMANDING and condescending on an Op about children and this President.

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids.I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.



President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015

Talk...meet walk.


Do you have that much of a problem about what Obama stated here? If that is so I feel so very sorry, so very sorry for you. He said...
I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability.
And you have no comment on that? Your concern is not for these people only Manny? You both came here to destroy my Op. I hope you are happy with yourself.



Hey Marr....

There's no question in your OP. Again, a substantive response to the info that Manny
posted for you would be appreciated. You asked for it, it was provided. If you can't rebut it, you should apologize for your insults and move along.


Why the hell should I give Manny the time of day for derailing my thread? Besides I do believe MADem wiped the floor clean with him. It was brilliant.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #136)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:49 AM

151. Why should you have responded?

 

Maybe because a discussion board is about discussion, and not just posting unquestioned monologues?

Or maybe because after you demanded that Manny give you information to back up his comments, and he did so, the adult thing to do would be to acknowledge that information and take a moment to at least attempt a lucid rebuttal?

If you make a post (outside of the BOG), expect more than just clapping and happy emoticons and various versions of "you said it!11!!". If you do not understand why you should have 'given Manny the time of day' after you demanded that information, then you don't understand how two-way discussion works.

And by the way, I don't see where MADem 'wiped the floor with' Manny; quite the opposite, in fact. I do see a bit of the usual giddy high-fiving from the usual giddy high-fivers, and a whole lot of serious goal post moving, but that's about it.

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Response to Marr (Reply #151)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:07 PM

177. What an arrogant post.

Last edited Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:43 AM - Edit history (1)

Gee, should she kiss his ring too?

Just who the hell do you think you are, anyway? If you and your pal had a shread of self-awareness, you would be too embarrassed to continue to show your behind in this thread.

I can't stand arrogant bullies. Gag me.


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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #177)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:54 PM

178. That was a very lame attempt at changing the subject.

 

Your pal demanded someone back up a claim. That person did so. They then went straight to dismissals and insults and ignored the information they themselves had just demanded.

By the way, why don't you try directing that keen bullying detector of yours at your friends? I see a whole lot of piling-on and insults in this thread, all directed at one poster, from the usual bullying and insult crew. And you're actually going to sit there and try to act indignant?

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Response to Marr (Reply #178)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:35 AM

184. Thank you

 

Sometimes I feel like I've fallen into an alternative universe. I'm glad some other folks see things the same way I do.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #184)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:16 AM

185. "I'm glad some other folks see things the same way I do."

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #185)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:54 AM

186. On what specific issues do Boehner and I agree?

 

Again, be specific. Unless you got nothin' but mental flatulence, which I'm guessing you're about to demonstrate.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #185)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:28 AM

190. THREAD. WINNER.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #184)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:56 AM

187. You're very welcome.

 

I always enjoy your posts. Even the attack squad that invariably leaps onto them isn't completely without entertainment value.

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Response to Marr (Reply #151)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:02 AM

181. Excellent reply Marr. Not everyone agrees that Obama's actions match his words

 

when it comes to everyone mattering. Right or wrong, raising that issue in a thread that quotes Obama talking about everyone mattering is perfectly appropriate on a discussion board like DU. Manny did that and got tons of hate from the usual haters. The funny thing is that sheshe2 asked for him to back up his initial claims and then responded with outrage when he tried to do so. He was accused of being a bully and a hater, but Manny was not the one who went for the throat.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #181)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:29 AM

182. Thank you.

 

I agree. I think if you demand information, you should have the character to acknowledge someone taking the time to post it, and ideally, offer some kind of cogent rebuttal (if possible). Instead, it was all insults and about as bad a case of piling on as I've ever seen around here.

For the people doing all the piling-on to top it off with a cry that they're being bullied was just... gross.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:14 AM

37. Poor thing.. a "messenger" of ***..

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Response to Cha (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:26 AM

39. More fact-free hate from you

 

And the picture of the woman with her posterior pointed at us? Poor grammar. Is that really the example that you want to set?

I think you can do better.

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Response to Cha (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:32 AM

145. Love you Cha!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:47 AM

50. Pay no mind.

It's obvious what is happening in this thread. In fact, the tactics used are CLASSIC.

IMO, they make DU suck. Wish more people would look at the big picture and reject that kind of "discussion."

Oh well.

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Response to MADem (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:08 PM

81. Yes it does make DU suck.

However, you are what's good about DU, killing them softly with the truth!

You are the best MADem!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #81)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:21 PM

83. Thank you.

I don't like bullies, never have. I don't like people who think that "their" truth overrides everyone else's. I don't like people who don't know how to have a nice conversation without being rude, disruptive, and hurtful. I don't like people who don't know how to be positive, EVER.

I don't like 'em...but I do feel very, very sorry for them. I think that it's got to be a difficult personal context for people to get their jollies out of chain-jerking on the damn INTERNET....I mean, really--this isn't the floor of the Senate, after all, it's a discussion board for mostly OLDER people who have too many aches and pains to do any serious precinct walking, and if they volunteer at all, will more likely be smiling and dialing to GOTV or doing like I do, driving my older voters to the polls.

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Response to MADem (Reply #83)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:32 PM

92. Thanks for all of that! Every word rings true.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:43 AM

49. Why quote AARP for anything? Those are the bastards who endorsed the drug donut hole for seniors.

They love to incite fear and dissent amongst Democrats while ramming GOP programs down the throats of unsuspecting seniors.

Last time I checked, your link didn't apply--but that fricking George Bush donut hole does.

So yeah, that's real "relevant."

Oh, and let me congratulate you as you did a swell job derailing this thread. Can't believe your "input" has anything to do with the spirit and intent of the OP, but, hey, heckuvajob! You worked it on this one--pat yourself on the back!



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Response to MADem (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:51 PM

54. Do you disagree with their numbers? nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #54)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:18 PM

55. I don't believe them and wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, and you shouldn't either.

How soon some forget?

AARP lost MILLIONS of members over their donut hole position.

I don't personally know a single Democrat over the age of 65 who believes their bullshit. I do know people who remember how badly that donut hole fucked them over, though--and they're out the other end of it and still have not forgotten.

Now me, I'm a lucky so-and-so...I get my prescriptions, when I need them, on a military base for free. However, I've been in the drugstore and seen the stricken looks of customers asked to fork over hundreds for a prescription...so fuck AARP and their donut hole--they are lobbying tools of Big GOP Pharma and the Bill Frist Medical Industry. The woman who is the face of that organization got her start as a Reagan appointee at HUD, and the GOP has been very, very good to her, pushing her up the ladder and in the system until she broke out as a glorified lobbyist for business--not people. She's dancing with the ones what brung her, make no mistake.

Consider the source....ALWAYS. I sure do.

Here--take a walk down memory lane--can't believe you, of all people, could forget this so easily: http://prospect.org/article/seduction




Democrats didn't know about Hansen's e-mail. In fact, when recently told about it, one Democratic staffer expressed shock and said that AARP "double-crossed us." But the GOP's business allies saw the e-mail. The White House sent it out to key Republican lobbyists and such groups as the National Association of Manufacturers and the Business Roundtable to make sure they knew that AARP was still on board. Over the next weeks, AARP leaders worked closely with House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to craft a final bill. It passed the House on November 22 in the early morning hours, when GOP leaders left the vote open for a totally unprecedented three hours after they were initially unable to get the votes needed for passage.

Three days later the bill passed the Senate and, on December 8, President Bush signed it into law, which AARP hailed as "an important step toward fulfilling a longstanding promise to older and disabled Americans." Suddenly, the AARP wasn't looking like such a liberal Democratic ally.

For many Democrats, AARP's support for last November's Medicare prescription-drug bill came as a total shock. Not only could the law cause millions of seniors to lose more generous employer and state-coordinated drug benefits while providing only limited help to others; it is a major step toward the Republican Party's goal of privatizing Medicare and decimating employer-based health coverage.


To those few who were really watching closely, however, AARP's actions were not a surprise at all, and the group's conversion was anything but sudden. The story of the Republicans' seduction of AARP unfolded over nearly a decade, as GOP leaders cajoled, seduced, and occasionally threatened the group's leaders into changing their ways and accepting the reality of Republican congressional control. Today, with bad policy already law, the stakes are incredibly high, as regulations to implement the law loom, along with bills to repeal some of its worst aspects. And they will grow higher still if President Bush is re-elected and Republicans can continue toward their ultimate goals. As the battle to preserve Medicare unfolds, Democrats who were surprised by the bill's passage last November should understand a key part of the story, which has not been told, of how it happened.

Possibly the least surprised man in Washington last fall was Newt Gingrich. The former House speaker, who told a Blue Cross conference in 1995 that Medicare as a "government monopoly plan" was going to "wither on the vine" in favor of a Republican-designed "free-market plan," has spent the last nine years manipulating AARP.


I'm pretty confident that if Elizabeth Warren had been in the Senate when they were ramming that bill through, she would have had something to say about it--AND AARP...!

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Response to MADem (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:53 PM

56. If Ted Cruz said the Earth is a sphere

 

Would you deny it?

The chained CPI stuff is basic news and math - I defy you to find any source that disagrees with AARP's reporting of it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:20 PM

57. When you have to bring TED CRUZ into the discussion to justify your adoration of AARP, you've

lost the bubble. AARP is an unreliable, right wing outfit in the pockets of the GOP. You want to lean on them for your proof, knock yourself out. I will have NOTHING to do with them, and most Democrats who were fucked over by them--or know someone who was--are standing with me.

So long as we're "defying" here, I defy YOU to just do the decent thing, and stop with the snarking, the sniping, the childish "gotchas" that aren't (or are only to the low-information reader) and the incessant and totally pointless and divisive thread derailing. You took a nice, positive thread with an uplifting message and you pretty much ruined it with a load of "Yeah, but"-ing.

If you want to fling invective, why not do it in one of your protected groups, where people who know the score can't answer back? Is that "no fun" or something? Why do you have to always crap on the positive threads?

The chained CPI shit didn't happen--but you want everyone in an uproar about it, because that's what makes you happy, I guess.

I'm at the point where I feel sorry for you. This kind of thing isn't edgy or clever--it's meanspirited and childish. Shop half-truths, backed by wingnut lobbying groups, and expect everyone to get excited? Not happening. But it's sure illustrative for those who pay attention.

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Response to MADem (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:26 PM

59. Bravo!

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Response to MADem (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:19 PM

66. So you don't refute the numbers given,

 

Nor do you refute that President Obama has been calling for Chained CPI.

So many words for you to do that. Why not just say "Yeah, President Obama has repeatedly offered to cut Social Security benefits."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:37 PM

70. Oh boy...now you're trying out the "So you don't..." canard! Damn, you got a whole

bagful of tricks, doncha, Mister Manny? Ooooh, you're just too clever for me!!!! Trying to distract me away from your Bill Frist sources with "So you don't refute..." games~~!!

And further, you're telling me what you think I should say? REALLY?

Let me tell you what YOU should have said, on your Very First Post in this thread, since we're playing that game! Here are two choices, either one would have worked and not shown you in "full flower" as it were:

1. Great thread--nice pics! K/R!!!

2. Nothing at all--absolutely NOTHING -- for a change.


And if you wanted to gripe about something that HAS not, and WILL not, happen, instead of bigfooting all over someone's positive thread, you might try being a bandwidth commando and starting another one of those massive missives of your own (talk about "so many words" -- is the pot remarking on my kettlish color, there?). Why didn't you do that, Manny? Why not drag out your rightwing AARP sources and refight a battle that is long dead, hmmmm, in a thread of your OWN, instead of stomping all over this 'un? No fun? Not enough attention? What?

I'm not going to help you derail this thread and I'm not going to respond to rightwing sources, so darn, you're outta luck there; I will make incessant light of your comments if you continue to try to take a positive thread with pictures of little kids, and wipe your ass on it. Because that is what you're doing~and all I'm saying is I noticed, too!

There's context, there's nuance, and there's a time and a place-- and if prizes were given out for not taking those aspects of a conversation into account, well, you hit the trifecta, laddie!! Pat yourself on the back--you're a real winner!

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Response to MADem (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:30 PM

69. Beautifully done

I'm at the point where I feel sorry for you. This kind of thing isn't edgy or clever--it's meanspirited and childish. Shop half-truths, backed by wingnut lobbying groups, and expect everyone to get excited? Not happening. But it's sure illustrative for those who pay attention.


Ain't that the truth.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:38 PM

71. Yes ma'am!

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Response to MADem (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:11 PM

82. Damn that was fine!

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Response to MADem (Reply #57)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:23 AM

154. Bravo!

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Response to MADem (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:08 PM

64. Brilliant MADem.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:17 PM

65. I love music...any kind of music!!!

Heh heh...I gotta tell it like it is! Let's have a listen to a fine tune....!



So long as the thread went off the track, let's make the train go THIS way...!

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Response to MADem (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:30 PM

84. Ooooooh!

I just finished reading through the thread again. Dear Gawd....you just wiped the floor clean with him. Forget what I said about softly. Boom!


I kicked it up to 75 for more "exposure"

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:41 AM

23. 4.

 

11/19/2014 - Senator Warren Takes FHFA Director Mel Watt to task for blowing off his authority to reduce mortgage principals after promising, one year ago, to look into it. This would save hundreds of thousands of family homes from foreclosure.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:59 AM

32. DO NOT THROW SENATOR WARREN IN MY FACE!

She is my Senator and at DU I can't even enjoy her. She is awesome yet is used as a tool here to bash Obama. I am sick of it! She will be the next Teddie Kennedy in her awesomeness.

Sen. Warren Applauds Obama’s Push For Middle Class

http://www.wbur.org/2013/02/13/senator-warren-on-sotu


It's Obama-Warren for the Democrats in 2016


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/sns-wp-blm-news-bc-union-inequality-comment21-20150121-story.html

I am done with you Manny.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:04 AM

33. You asked for documentation of my assertions

 

And our senator does exactly that.

Do you disagree with her? Or is she not stating, in this video, that millions of foreclosures have occured because the White House has blown off its authority and responsibility?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:30 AM

40. Got it.

It is all Obama's fault and always will be. Nothing he does is good. Not one damn thing.

You derailed my thread. Maliciously derailed what I said. You made this about you. I have never once seen you post so much on an Op even your own. 14 TIMES!!!!! Yet here you are attacking me. For stating this... Realy Manny?

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.




President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015


I have no clue why you have focused on me tonight. I don't like it at all.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:36 AM

41. So you agree that Sen Warren backs my assertion?

 

That millions of families have had their homes foreclosed on because the White House has blown off its responsibility?

As to derailing your thread... no. Addressing your thread, yes.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:29 AM

127. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!

And yes you derailed my OP. No you did not address it.

Newtown. The babies. Any comments on them? How about Native Americans? Any comment? No.

This thread is NOT ABOUT YOU MANNY!

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.

It is all about you Manny. All about you. You make me weep



President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015


This is what it was about before you derailed it. How pathetic to make all this about you.

The Newtown Babies



Do you give a shit?

The Child in the wheelchair



Nope.

It is all about you Manny.



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:40 AM

42. And... I simply did what you asked

 

Then you attack me for responding to your request.

Really?

Wow.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:41 PM

72. Bull,

You had already derailed it, but you knew that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #42)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:01 AM

137. Oh Manny~



I attacked you? See once again it is all about you. You came on my thread to derail nothing more and nothing less. That was an attack on me and my Op. You should be ashamed of yourself. Care to comment on the Newtown babies Manny? They were part of my Op~

Nope, didn't think so.

I do not care for your special interest in me. Twenty plus comments tonight, yet you never comment in your own like that. This makes two Ops of mine in the same night that you took special interest in. This ain't twitter and I sure as hell do not want you to 'Follow' me. Back off Manny.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:07 PM

87. That looks like an interesting story from the Chicago Tribune on Obama-Warren for the Dems in 2016..

she! It wants us to register and I don't feel like doing that right now, though.

Yeah, it's sickening the way some on DU try to use Sen Warren to bash the President.. because if she did ever run.. you can bet your life she would want him to campaign with her. Not going to throw the huge Obama Coalition under the damn proverbial bus. Way too smart for that.. unlike those who go around throwing false premises out just to get their *** on.

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Response to Cha (Reply #87)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:24 PM

88. She is not running Cha.

No matter what some believe. She wants her seat and she will be brilliant. Our second Teddie.

How could a woman possibly know her own mind? We need the GOP to tell us who we are. They need to tell us when to have sex and tell us abortion is out of the question. They redefined rape. They are unrelenting assholes.

They make me sick.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #88)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:26 PM

89. I know she's not but they don't know that.. and, yet they're still trying to divide. not smart at

all.

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Response to Cha (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:28 PM

90. Not smart Cha~

Yet it is what they do.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:46 AM

27. Let me know if there's anything else you need. nt

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:58 AM

30. So now that I've documented each statement I made,

 

as requested, I hope to receive at least a little "thank you" from you for helping to open your eyes to these matters.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:33 PM

61. Using right wing lobbyists in bed with the GOP as your "proof"....

Yeah, you locked down your talking points~~!!! You really took it to town, on a thread about a quote addressing the POV that EVERYBODY matters, with a bunch of nice illustrations. Yeah, you "documented" all right!!! Wow, you showed THEM!!!!

We got your number, loud and clear!

I think everyone's eyes are wide open--and your conduct in this thread did a heckuvajob opening 'em, too!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:29 PM

68. You are free to refute any numbers, although

 

you have kept away from that, instead preferring to write lots of words attacking people.

So simple: show us the evidence. (If it exists, of course.)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:56 PM

78. Ha ha ha!

Yeah, and you were free to not stomp all over a postive thread about how Everybody Matters with a quote from the SOTU and pictures of little kids....but no--you could NOT do that, could you?

You just had to stomp on the sandcastles!

Why don't you run on back to one of your protected groups, where you're safe from criticism of your "style?"

You're showing ME--and everyone else reading this thread--all the evidence they need~!



Here I am, "attacking people" yet again:

"It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints."


Try a little civility every once in a while....

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Response to MADem (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:53 PM

94. Oh @#$%!!! Jan Schakowski is a right wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!!

 

http://schakowsky.house.gov/images/user_images/gt/stories/Fact%20Sheet%20on%20Chained%20CPI.pdf

SEIU? Right wing lobbyists in bed with the GOP!!! http://seiu2001.org/2013/05/03/chained-cpi/

Dean Baker? Right wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!! http://seiu2001.org/2013/05/03/chained-cpi/ http://www.cepr.net/index.php/press-releases/press-releases/chained-cpi-social-security-budget

The Nation magazine? Right wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!! http://www.thenation.com/blog/173786/top-5-myths-about-chained-cpi-debunked#

And that's just the beginning! It seems like anyone who can put together "facts" and "math" is a Right wing lobbyists in bed with the GOP!!! Litrally anyone! The place is crawling with 'em!

I know that you'll join me in letting Americans know that these organizations are conspiring to pollute our precious bodily fluids. In reality, smart people like you know that chained CPI is a good thing, which is clearly why you're defending it. Only the haterz think chained CPI is a benefits cut that would harm the neediest.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #94)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:46 AM

108. Check out who's running AARP, why doncha? A 1981 Reagan appointee.

You remember AARP, don't you? You were citing them as your go-to source for all your facts and figures!

No one was talking about any of the people you're link-flinging about NOW...except YOU.

More deflection. More old links from back in the dark ages (Oooooh, the Nation!!! A 2013 article--where's the new one, where they're still expressing concern? Answer--there ain't one, because this isn't an issue anymore to anyone but YOU! A little behind the times, are you?).

More crap in the form of ancient links that has nothing to do with your insistence that GOP AARP is a "good" source for information. Gee, stopped doubling down on that source, did you? And your old 2013 (that was your favorite year--the only year this topic hit critical mass, and then faded away; because it ain't happening) link quoting Senator Warren isn't getting the reaction you hoped for, either--because, see, she's an adult...why, she can even work with guys like Orrin Hatch! Oh, the Huge Manatee!

Tsk, tsk...Manny, you CAN do better--and really...you should.

Here's a link a year later than yours, to help you git the spirit:



All You Need Is Love!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #108)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:52 AM

110. Americans need to know about Jan Schakowski, no?

 

And all the other evil beings that use facts and math to arrive at the same conclusion!

I think there are at least several other DUers who feel as strongly as you do that facts and math have no business being on a Democratic web site.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #110)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:01 AM

113. Ooooooooh, why don't you start a thread, then, if you feel they "need to know!"

Come on, Manny....

Don't hide your "America Needs to KNOW" light under a bushel that is a quote from the SOTU and a bunch of pictures of cute kids!!!

How will AMERICA KNOW if YOU don't tell them???

Quick--on your horse--go to every Middlesex village and farm...sound the alarm, lad, sound the alarm!!!

But do it in your OWN thread--stop derailing this one....oh, and take those goalposts with you!!!





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Response to MADem (Reply #113)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:05 AM

115. Given how passionate you are about the AARP's numbers being right wing propaganda

 

And given that Jan Scakoswski has the same numbers - as does everyone else who uses facts and math - I think you'd want to let people know the truth.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #115)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:13 AM

116. Now you know what to do with your little Jan Scakoswski goalpost, don't you, Manny?

You strap it on your back, waddle over to your OWN field, and plant it in your end zone.

Stop stinking up this positive SOTU/POTUS/Little Kid thread with "important" figures from 2013 that NO ONE--I mean NO ONE--not Elizabeth Warren, not AARP, not Congress, not POTUS--is talking about...and hasn't been talking about for TWO YEARS!!!!

But run along now, and fire up an URGENT thread, draw your acolytes near, and rail, rail, RAIL if it makes you feel good about yourself...just don't do it here, on this thread, which is all about EVERYBODY matters, POTUS, SOTU, and little kids. And whatever you do, don't tell them that your material is two years old and not a hot topic anymore...that'll ruin the drama. And that's some HARD truth, there, Manny.

Here, a picture that makes me smile:



All You Need is LOVE!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #116)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:18 AM

118. And as you may already know...

 



On Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

More fact-free hate from you
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6120485

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Goading, baiting, mocking--and that "picture of a woman with her posterior" is the woman with the "Got Obama's back" shirt on in the sig line. The "fact-free hate" with disturbing overtones, is coming from the person making the accusation. This is not civil discussion and it makes DU suck.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:18 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Manny should know better than to trash another person's thread. Cleverly worded in order to avoid the hide, especially since there is so much opposition and intransigence. Leave it with a warning.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Time to go the way of BBI.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No Manny, it's more nastiness from you. Hide it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No Manny, Cha can't do better, unless sheshe or frenchie have the com, cough, screen name, cough
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #118)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:34 AM

120. Gee, Manny, are you advertising your good luck, or boasting about your bad behavior?

Not sure what you want from me, there!

The numbers give you a "go" but the comments aren't showing you much love.

Don't like that feedback? Try being NICE, Manny--CIVIL. Polite. Kind. Stop derailing threads, like you did this one--of course, your efforts had an unintended effect, they brought attention to your conduct, and the thread, which celebrates the concept that EVERYBODY MATTERS (with POTUS and kids to illustrate) has taken off, despite your repeated deposits of ancient arguments from 2013 that no one--save you--is concerned about.

Instead of sinking, this thread is like Maya Angelou...AND STILL I RISE! Watch this and learn something:



You can "DU" better, now, Manny--and you really should try. Just like hope ... still I rise!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #113)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:03 AM

141. Holy~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How will AMERICA KNOW if YOU don't tell them???

Quick--on your horse--go to every Middlesex village and farm...sound the alarm, lad, sound the alarm!!!

But do it in your OWN thread--stop derailing this one....oh, and take those goalposts with you!!!








Game set and the whole damn match!

Bravo Madem.

PS I love that picture of Warren and Obama.

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Response to MADem (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:09 AM

100. Holy Cow! Even Elizabeth Warren's a right-wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!!

 

Elizabeth Warren 'Shocked' By Obama Chained CPI Proposal To Cut Benefits For Seniors, Vets

Hey MADem, this is pretty disheartening. Even Senator Warren is a traitor.

Any suggestions on how people who know the TRUE truth about Chained CPI, like you, can get the word out?

Elizabeth Warren. Jeez.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #100)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:36 AM

106. Holy Cow!! Using citations that are almost TWO YEARS OLD to try to get people upset!

It's 2015.... not 2013. A lot has happened since then--have you been sleeping all this time? Here's a picture that's much more recent than that link:



Manny, Cindy Lauper has a song for you....




I am sorry that you're so angry that you have a need to behave this way. I wish you would try to interact in a positive and productive way with your fellow DUers, but it seems you have a hard time doing that. You keep coming back with outdated links that you expect people to not read, but as an infamous politician once said "Fooled me once, won't git fooled agin." You've fooled us once, Manny. We're not buying what you're selling anymore.

You can't manage to converse without rudeness and snark, and that's really sad.

Be happy--don't derail threads with two year old links and expect people to buy that nonsense. We've figured you out. "Jeez."

You're not a very good advocate for Senator Warren, with that kind of attitude. She's all about positivity and can-do--and she wouldn't wave around old wine in new bottles; that's not her style. You shouldn't do it either.

After all, to quote your comment elsewhere in this thread, when you were being thoughtlessly cruel to one of our members here, "You can do better."

And since you can, maybe you should.

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Response to MADem (Reply #106)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:45 AM

107. It's amazing. How do you do that?

 

I have never seen goal posts move that fast in my entire life.

Careful! Don't sprain anything!

And so many words! Maybe people will read all of those words and forget what the topic is, who can tell?

And has the President apologized for trying to starve and freeze old people with his catfood commission and his fighting for chained CPI? Or, conversely, has Jan Schakowski apologized for using facts and math to come up with the same numbers as the AARP?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #107)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:56 AM

111. Really, Manny? You've never seen goal posts moved like that? Take a look at your conduct in this

thread!!!

You took a goalpost consisting of a nice quote from the SOTU and a few cute pictures of kids, knocked it down, set it on fire, pissed on it, and then hauled out YOUR goalpost of links from a right wing GOP lobbying group and planted them on the fifty yard line!! You moved your goalposts from 2013 to 2015....and you hoped that no one would notice!!!!! Yeah!!! So many WORDS, Manny!! So many WORDS FROM 2013, on a topic that has faded and died because NO ONE IS CONTEMPLATING IT! Except "Trapped in a Time Warp Manny" that is!



It's MOXIE, I tell ya....pure MOXIE!!

And gee--no one is talking about this DIRE subject anymore--you can't find links more recent than 2013...and that was two years ago, kiddo--tempus fugit, and all that.

No one is buying your schtick anymore, Manny. You've outed yourself with your behavior in this thread--this thing is a gem, a bookmarker, a real keeper-- it illustrates very clearly what your goals--and your goalpost moving, since you brought it up--are all about.

You can "DU" better Manny. You should TRY. Just a little--you might find you like it. Or you can keep being uncivil, and people will start mentioning it to you--particularly when you crap on perfectly nice threads with two year old links and pretend that they matter.


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Response to MADem (Reply #111)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:59 AM

112. I think the homeless, the elderly, and the poor matter, too.

 

Your opposition to this notion is noted.

Have a good night.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #112)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:03 AM

114. Well, gosh, there Mister Irony--you might have thought about that before you derailed this thread.

EVERYBODY MATTERS...that's what the thread is about.

Apparently, you don't think your fellow DUers matter very much--if your behavior on this thread is any indicator!

You CAN "DU" better Manny--and it's past time you start.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #112)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:25 AM

142. You took a dump...

actually many dumps on my thread about people matter. That sucks. I have no clue why you continue to come at me. Leave me the fuck alone. You are a rude man. You want the limelight? Do it on your own threads.

You claim

" think the homeless, the elderly, and the poor matter, too.
Your opposition to this notion is noted."


Yet never ONCE DID YOU RESPOND TO MY OP! READ IT BELOW> DO THEY MATTER TO YOU? Who the hell do you think is being talked about in Obama's message? They are poor, many homeless and many so very hungry. Your posts here are ugly and you show no respect for those in need.


I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters.


Wake up Manny.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #100)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 04:28 AM

159. Take your damn cow out to pasture.

And stop using Senator Warren as a tool to bash Obama. She is MY Senator. Every damn thing you write is bullshit.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:15 AM

38. BOOM!

 

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Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:18 AM

119. LOL, do some research... it's well known why the stats have shot up. Jeeze, what bullshit.

 

Really, this is embarassing. Let's blame Obama for how embarrassing this is!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:10 PM

168. What program was not implemented?

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:05 AM

34. The *** is strong with that one.. I got just the

graphic for those types.. lol



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Response to Cha (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:11 AM

36. Kick kick kick!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:27 AM

44. Consider this one, sweets:

Love is as strong as death, as hard as Hell. Death separates the soul from the body, but love separates all things from the soul.

~ Meister Eckhart

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Response to freshwest (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:30 AM

52. Thank you freshwest

for Meister Eckhart's brilliant words. The last~ "love separates all things from the soul".



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Response to Cha (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:39 AM

46. That seems to be *all* you have. /nt

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:55 AM

51. I'm half Native American

And I'm glad he included Native Americans in his SOTU address.

Obama isn't perfect, but he does relate to people, and in a big way.

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Response to Terra Alta (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:07 AM

133. EVERYBODY matters--and you are right. He does relate to people.

What I like about the guy is that he "gets" what it is like to be "the other." He doesn't allow that to confine him, even as his circumstances served to define and refine him. He knows what it's like to be the odd one out. He gets that it can be a tough road at times.

I know what that's like, too. Head up, chin out, move forward, don't let 'em get you down--but if we all took the attitude that EVERYBODY matters, we'd be doing a lot less worrying about fitting in and finding our place at that table.

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Response to Terra Alta (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 04:03 AM

158. Kicking for Native Americans!!!!

Terra Alta

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:27 PM

60. I am so sorry that your lovely thread, with such great pictures, was derailed so precipitously.

It's a crying shame--but it really illustrates a point or ten, for those who take the time to look.

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Response to MADem (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:52 PM

62. Thank you MADem.

And you are right, it certainly says a lot about a person. Actually it speaks volumes.

Thanks again.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:41 PM

73. Kick

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:42 PM

74. Kicking for exposure!

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Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:43 PM

75. Kick

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Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:52 PM

77. Thanks for this thread sheshe. You're the best.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #77)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:02 PM

79. Love you Tarheel~

And you are welcome.

Lol~ I kicked it the last 3 times to make it to 75 for exposure so to speak!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:53 PM

93. Kick for exposure in more ways than one.

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Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:53 PM

95. Kick

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Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:54 PM

96. kick

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Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:57 PM

97. k&r...

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Response to spanone (Reply #97)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:43 AM

131. I....

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:08 AM

99. Kicking for this sweet child that another wanted to silence,

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #99)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:15 AM

102. Kicking for the people that were mentioned here...

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.

For every child that a poster wanted to deny their voice and their heart. For every

man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability.

He wanted to make it about his voice not ours. I say no! You will not set my course. You will not derail me. You will not derail us!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #99)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:16 AM

191. That is the sweetest picture ever - thanks you!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:19 AM

103. K&R

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:27 AM

104. Hey, she, I love the way you stay involved in your threads, but you have to

Admit this one was really great. It is refreshing to read a positive thread though some tried to derail it. It has provided me a good afternoon.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #104)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:47 AM

109. Sigh.

Ya it is/was a great thread. Thinkingabout. Glad it gave you some joy.

For me. I don't have a lot of patience these days, to much going on to suffer fools gladly. When someone comes on a thread 21 times to trash it, that really stinks. Did I post a wildly controversial thread? No. I posted about

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.



I have no clue why a Democrat on Democratic Underground would find issue with that.

It makes me sad.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #109)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:41 AM

122. This thread is like Maya Angelou....And Still I Rise!!!!!



When people vex you, share this with them. Maya had it going ON! She knew how to play it for maximum effect!

Don't be sad. Realize that one swallow does not a summer make, one bozo doesn't a circus make, and some people just don't have it in them to be positive. They only know meanness. It's a failing, but it's not on you--it's on them. They have to live with themselves.

Just keep on keeping on--Still You Rise!

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Response to MADem (Reply #122)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:55 AM

125. I Rise~

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Thank you~

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:30 AM

105. This is Democratic Underground.

Why the hell would any one wish to derail this message>

Why? Why the hell would any Democrat try to derail this Message? I am at a loss here.

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.



President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015

Talk...meet walk.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #105)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 03:03 AM

132. So much inclusiveness. No one is left out. DU should support this message!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #105)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:11 AM

138. pathetic need for attention

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Response to JI7 (Reply #138)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:28 AM

143. Bingo!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:26 AM

135. KnR my dears

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:22 AM

139. Agreed, it's why I'm vegan.

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Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:40 AM

148. Kick for the children.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:41 AM

149. Kick for~

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.



President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015

Talk...meet walk.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:48 AM

150. what is amazing it how Michelle looks like Sasha in this pic

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:53 AM

152. And Kick for the fact that some people tried to derail a thread...

about Everybody Matters.

I find that so sad and so pathetic. This is DU. We no longer care?

She Matters~



Dear baby. She Matters~



The sweet sibs from Newtown matter. Some people sadly do not get that. I cry~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #152)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:10 AM

153. No, we just think that all Americans should have equal opportunity for better lives

 

Not equal opportunity for greater economic predation.

Everybody does matter, and every American equally deserves a shot at the American dream.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #153)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:26 AM

155. You just don't get it and never will.

No, we just think that all Americans should have equal opportunity for better lives

Not equal opportunity for greater economic predation.


We just think it? No. Some of us are fighting to make it right. Some of us are fighting tooth and nail to make it to our next paycheck. You have stated here that you are damn close to being in the 1% so is this about you or us.

What are you doing to help us other than shitting on my thread.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #155)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:30 AM

156. It is pretty obvious to anyone reading this thread what's going on here.

This is classic thread derailment/disruption. Usually, the object of these kinds of games is demotivation/demoralization.

It's something the admins should really take a look at. IMO, anyway.

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Response to MADem (Reply #156)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:55 AM

157. K~big breath.

Yup, I know what he is doing...

This is classic thread derailment/disruption. Usually, the object of these kinds of games is demotivation/demoralization.


If that man for one minute thinks he is going to SHUT ME UP OR SHUT ME DOWN he is a fool. He can continue his ugly posts to me. I Will Not Sit Down and I Sure as Hell Will NOT Shut Up. I have been demoralized before. It is never going to happen again. Ef him.

He follows me MADem. Kinda spooky. Kinda creepy and kinda sad. He gives me the willies. He sure as hell tries and sometimes succeeds to hide my posts. I feel stalked and this is not the first time I said this. Last time, he posted a thread saying he was wrongfully accused of stalking. He was outraged.

Lol~ others showed threads where he accused people of stalking him. Once again he was outraged.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #157)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 04:44 AM

160. The admins won't do anything about it

He follows me MADem. Kinda spooky. Kinda creepy and kinda sad. He gives me the willies. He sure as hell tries and sometimes succeeds to hide my posts. I feel stalked and this is not the first time I said this.


I suggest that you start sending them a PM of every instance where you feel harassed. This thread is a really blatant example and so hopefully they've already seen it. He's outdone himself in this thread. One thing certain people here (so often men) don't seem to understand is that people should be allowed to post things without being constantly stalked and harassed by the same people. Disagreement, even passionate disagreement, is not the issue. It's the following, personal attacks, derailment and flat out bullying that goes on that's the problem. When someone tells you to leave them alone JUST FUCKING DO IT. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea if you just completely disengaged with Manny as well. No responses to him, ever. No matter how tempting his ever present flame bait may be.

Now, whether the admins will actually DO something with your PMs is the actual issue. But even if they don't do anything at the moment, we all know that they keep that kind of information handy.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #160)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:33 PM

162. Good advice Number23.

JAG suggest something similar. To document.

I have no one on ignore, I want to see what they are saying, however I can...

This thread is a really blatant example and so hopefully they've already seen it. He's outdone himself in this thread. One thing certain people here (so often men) don't seem to understand is that people should be allowed to post things without being constantly stalked and harassed by the same people. Disagreement, even passionate disagreement, is not the issue. It's the following, personal attacks, derailment and flat out bullying that goes on that's the problem. When someone tells you to leave them alone JUST FUCKING DO IT. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea if you just completely disengaged with Manny as well. No responses to him, ever. No matter how tempting his ever present flame bait may be.


Ignore said person and disengage. Will do, not easy but will do.

You~



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #162)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:34 AM

183. I'm not suggesting that you use the DU ignore function but the ignore function in your head

Whenever you see that person's name, ignore the ever loving hell out of him. Don't even talk around him. Treat him like he's not even there. And as you and most of this web site already knows, you will be missing absolutely NOTHING if you do just that.

I'm sure he and his pals are laughing up a storm that they got your post hidden up thread. And it's a shame that had to happen. But personally, if I had to choose between making such a spectacular ass out of myself all in the name of making sure that everyone here knows how much I hate the DEMOCRATIC president of the United States on a DEMOCRATIC board or take a hidden post, there really wouldn't be a contest.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #183)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:19 AM

209. I've got something to say about the hidden post...

I was on the jury for it. The only person at DU who got sheshe's post hidden was sheshe. The alert was for the accusation of racism aimed at two DUers in the thread. So I went and read the post it was in response to and found nothing. I read through the entire thread and found nothing. But I did see a lot of nastiness, accusations of stalking, bullying and all sorts of dramatic stuff aimed at one DUer in the thread. So it was an easy hide in the end. I don't have a dog in this particular fight, not being American and liking some people on both 'sides' of the bickering, and there's more than a few posts in this thread I'd have voted to hide if they were alerted on and I was on a jury for them, but a simple solution for folk who don't want their posts hidden is to play nice and not make things personal and nasty when the person they're replying to is discussing an issue and not personalities...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #209)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:36 AM

216. +100

 

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Response to Number23 (Reply #160)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:04 AM

188. Oh BS.

 

I responded to her OP, she asked for evidence (and not for me to go away), I gave the evidence she asked for, then she got all upset.

Insinuating that I'm a stalker is utterly disgusting, a low thing to do. Do a quick search and I expect you'll find that the opposite is closer to the truth, sheshe tends to show up on my posts way more often than I show up on hers.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #188)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:27 AM

189. That may be true. Hopefully she'll steer clear of you from now on

Would be mighty kind -- as well as totally out of character -- for you to be decent and mature enough to show her the same level of courtesy.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #189)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:37 AM

192. And another lowbrow attack by you

 

Fabulous.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #192)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:02 PM

193. 0-7 jury results on your alert

Maybe next time, Manny?

But it'll have to be at least 24 hours from now.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #193)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:08 PM

194. LOL

 

Wasn't me.

Keep flailing.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #194)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:33 PM

195. "Flailing" is what you've done all up and down this thread for the last five days.

Good lord you'd think you'd be done by now.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #195)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:37 PM

196. Do you have any specific disagreements with anything I wrote?

 

I'm all ears.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #196)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:44 PM

197. Manny, go do this with someone that hasn't seen right through you for more years than you've been

a GD "darling." I have no interest in playing with you and never have. I know this is how you get your kicks and I'm sure another alert will be on its way soon (but of course, not having been sent by you, nosiree!one) but I don't find you or your games interesting.

Although judging by the numerous PM's I've been getting, I should let you keep kicking this thread because not only does sheshe's rec keep going up but the number of people that appear to be finally seeing your true purpose here appears to be growing. Personally, I can't believe that you aren't as obvious to everyone as you always have been to me and a veritable slew of other posters here but people see things in their own time.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #197)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:50 AM

210. Kick!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #153)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:52 PM

200. for me, Manny, I think that all Americans should have equal justice under the law.

That matters. There is no backbone to our democracy without equal justice. And I believe this administration does not stand between the people and tyranny in that respect.

That matters.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #200)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:45 AM

203. No justice, no peace.

 

Indeed,

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:57 AM

161. Beautiful OP!

Thanks for posting this, children love this President, they know from their heart they can trust him and it shows in every photo you see when children interact with him.

As to the attempted thread hijacking, well, it showed me who does think everybody matters and who is willing to use whoever, the poor, homeless, you name it if it helps them to try and derail a lovely, non-confrontational OP. The attempted disruption only served to show the poster as ready to throw the vulnerable under the bus if it suits their agenda just like the repubs. It's crystal clear to me.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:38 PM

163. What an awesome dude

That President of ours.

Thanks

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Response to madokie (Reply #163)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:43 PM

164. I love you madokie!

You are welcome~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #164)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:46 PM

165. I love you too Sheshe2



I couldn't begin to count the number of times you've made my day. thanks for all that you do for us here.

what an awesome First lady we have too, the whole first family for that matter

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:08 PM

166. Kick

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Response to treestar (Reply #166)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:13 PM

170. You~



For those that tried to derail

The message from SOTU~

Love you treestar~

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:23 PM

173. K&R

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #173)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:26 PM

174. Hey Skidmore~

Thank you~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #174)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:29 PM

176. Hey, she!

You are welcome. Everybody matters.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:27 PM

175. Kick!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:14 AM

180. K&R for being absolutely right...

 

& having amazing patience in dealing with ginormous assholes.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:39 PM

199. K&R! Thanks for these beautiful images, she. They made my dreary day sunny again.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:18 PM

201. I could never believe this about you.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #201)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 02:13 AM

206. Thanks for posting that link.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #206)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:09 AM

214. Hi there Number23. I noticed in that thread that you referred to my post to you from this thread...

My post from this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026119475#post209

and yr post about it in that thread complaining about a hide:

Someone "explained" why they voted to hide your post in your other thread but I can't be bothered to reply.

I'm not sure that your accusations of racism were appropriate for that particular thread but there is no doubt in my mind that the person(s) you directed that accusation to were spot on. You would be hard pressed to find a minority poster on DU that has not expressed those same sentiments towards that individual. And I have no doubt that's the ONLY reason your post was alerted on and certainly not because it was untrue.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125554244#post86


Firstly, I didn't 'explain' - I read a few posts from you in this thread talking about the hide and claiming that DUers saw things as you did. So I said what I thought as a juror with no allegiances to one 'side' or the other when I looked back through the posts leading up to the alerted post. I posted in good faith and I thought you and I got on well, so I'm not sure why you couldn't be bothered to reply. Not that yr obligated to reply, but usually when people have nothing to say they don't say anything rather than going to a Meta thread somewhere else and announcing it there. The response to you in that thread was strange as well. I can only remember one exchange with the DUer who replied to you and it wasn't unpleasant so I'm not sure where they're coming up with that stuff about me disliking them. That appeared to be a rather random accusation of lack of objectivity. Even if I did dislike them, I'd treat them the way I treat other DUers I actually dislike when I'm called up to a jury for one of their posts. I'd do what I do with every alerted post I'm on a jury for. I'd look at the post and if what they've said is imo worthy of being hidden, I'd vote to hide. If it's not, I'd vote to leave. There's only been once when I backed out of a jury because I decided my dislike was going to cloud my judgement, but I hated that DUer with a passion, which is a rarer than rare thing for me...

Now I have a question for you. In yr post from that thread you claim that Manny and Marr are racists. While I don't tend to read many threads on domestic US politics, I have read enough from both of them to be surprised by that accusation. So, could you supply some links to where they're saying racist things?

Something I didn't get after reading this thread and that thread was after all the stuff along the lines of 'LEAVE ME ALONE!!! DON'T BULLY ME!!!' and being told by several DUers to use the ignore function if another DUer upsets them, why I was reading through that other thread and they're still, over 24 hrs later, talking about Manny. I dunno, my advice would be to get over it and move on because that sort of behaviour doesn't really support their claims of being bullied and stalked.

Note to self: don't post in these drama-fest threads anymore. It makes me feel like the Meta forum's come back

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:38 PM

202. posted to for later. n/t

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 02:26 AM

207. K&R. Everybody *does* matter...

 

And of course, the usual suspects had to hijack your thread. How sad. To them, I say: You do Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders or whomever you support no favors with that kind of behavior.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:42 AM

208. Yes, everybody matters. On a profoundly personal level.

Not merely as statistics.

President Obama communicates this completely.

I'm blown away by what he's able to accomplish with empathy, humor and grace.

Thank you for this thread sheshe2. I love the photos!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 12:50 AM

211. I am so sorry your thread was trashed, sheshe2.

It's a beautiful thread about our President,
And it was an honest depiction of the how test President we've had in many, many decades cares about everybody.

It's a shame that the admins of DU don't do something to prevent this sort of thing from happening at the forum that they are in control of.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #211)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 12:12 AM

212. You are so kind and thoughtful, sheshe2.

I appreciate your concern, but I am quite content to remain the President of your fan club.
A team of wild horses couldn't get me to quit!!

Let me just say, you are the best thing that has happened to DU in the last 4 years!!
You are always so cheerful, bringing good news to the forum, usually containing fantastic pictures of our President in your threads.
You are the best!


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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #212)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:18 AM

215. Well, to be honest about it . . .

. . . I've grown pretty fond of you over the course of the last 2 or 3 years.
And it was rather easy to talk with you about President Obama, or about the weather, the entire time.
Whether you were posting in the BOG or on GD, it wasn't hard to see the care and attention you put forth in your comments about all of those issues.
You have a heart of gold, and I think that is obvious to everyone at the DU by now.

Yes, everybody matters.
Especially you!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:53 AM

213. K&R!

Hateful negative comments in this thread completely destroyed by the truth. I'm pretty sure there's a script because the lines are so similar. And the "logic." They are such a bore.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:22 AM

217. Beautiful.

 

Amazing some of the comments. Thanks for the op.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:38 AM

218. K & R. n/t

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:36 PM

219. K&R.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:41 PM

220. Another late K&R

I missed this thread the first time. sheshe and MADem, well done!

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