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RandySF

(58,807 posts)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:08 PM Jan 2015

Female veteran shamed for parking in veterans-only spot

WILMINGTON, N.C. - An Air Force veteran who served in Kuwait found a note on her car Friday criticizing her for parking in a veterans-only parking spot in Wilmington.

Mary Claire Caine told WECT-TV that she returned to her car from shopping at Harris Teeter to find a note plastered to her front window from a person identifying themselves as a "Wounded Vet."

It read, "Maybe [you] can't read the sign you parked in front of ... This space is reserved for those who fought for America ... not you. Thanks, Wounded Vet."

Caine, who served in Kuwait and on the flight line of the F-117 Nighthawk, said her heart sank.

"The first thing I felt was confusion that there was a mistake, and that I had to talk to this person and ask them why they were so quick to assume I wasn't a veteran and that I was taking privileges that didn't belong to me," Caine said.

http://www.wncn.com/story/27885839/female-veteran-shamed-for-parking-in-veterans-only-spot

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Female veteran shamed for parking in veterans-only spot (Original Post) RandySF Jan 2015 OP
Whoever left that note shenmue Jan 2015 #1
I wonder if the person who left the note was really a vet Terra Alta Jan 2015 #2
+1 Scuba Jan 2015 #36
+2 Kaleva Jan 2015 #49
a Dipshit and a sexist pig! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #3
Veterans Only parking spots? I didn't know they had those. fishwax Jan 2015 #4
That was my question . . . MrModerate Jan 2015 #17
This is at A Harris Teeter Grocery Store in Wilmington NC karmaqueen Jan 2015 #27
In fact, somewhat cowardly . . . MrModerate Jan 2015 #90
Our Home Depot has them n/t KT2000 Jan 2015 #28
+1 I've never seen those treestar Jan 2015 #93
Why is this a news story? Brickbat Jan 2015 #5
Slow news day glasshouses Jan 2015 #14
Example of sexism. It should enlighten folks who forget that women are vets, too. McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 #21
They definitely should have more female providers. Rozlee Jan 2015 #25
Because she contacted the newspaper... jtuck004 Jan 2015 #22
Why should it not be? whathehell Jan 2015 #29
Well, before the days of the intertubes this wouldn't have been a story snooper2 Jan 2015 #56
Before the intertubes a LOT of things wouldn't have been a story, whathehell Jan 2015 #64
My first take was that it was that she wasn't disabled... snooper2 Jan 2015 #65
Then your complaint should be about parking spaces for veterans, not that whathehell Jan 2015 #67
I've already spent two much time on this...I'm purging it from my mind LOL snooper2 Jan 2015 #68
Yeah, losing the argument is always a good time to leave, LOL whathehell Jan 2015 #70
dog sleepy not deady... snooper2 Jan 2015 #71
Gladdy dog sleepy not deady.. whathehell Jan 2015 #79
I've never seen nor heard of "veterans-only" spots. Why does such a thing exist? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #6
I see them near bases sometimes. The American Legion is against them Recursion Jan 2015 #8
It sounds like one of those empty "thank you for your service" gestures American businesses love to dflprincess Jan 2015 #10
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #26
It's not legally enforced. The business just thinks it helps their image. jeff47 Jan 2015 #47
Who goes around identifying themselves as "wounded Vet"? What does that mean? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7
The kind of person who writes those spam essays about God-and-Country and emails them to millions Hekate Jan 2015 #12
I know many JonLP24 Jan 2015 #99
Okay. Sorry I got touchy there for a mo. nt Hekate Jan 2015 #101
You don't see too often but some wounded in theater can request to have a purple heat on the plate glasshouses Jan 2015 #20
Vets are victims of global wars played out by narcisstic leaders wanting personal power, not unlike Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #40
The ones who volunteered phil89 Jan 2015 #54
They then are the victims of war propaganda. Everyone one who went to Iraq qualifies. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #55
I did but I wasn't a victim of the propaganda JonLP24 Jan 2015 #95
What was the problem -- that she didn't appear to be man, rocktivity Jan 2015 #9
Veteran's parking spots? TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #11
i bet the piece of shit who left the note wasn't even a vet, fucking assholes, i hope she gets some JI7 Jan 2015 #13
She should have it on her plate glasshouses Jan 2015 #15
Since there's no law mandating and protecting the veteran's parking spot, mythology Jan 2015 #16
I didn't say it would be for her glasshouses Jan 2015 #18
+1 840high Jan 2015 #19
Yes, assuming she wasn't a vet because she has ovaries should be ignored. jeff47 Jan 2015 #48
I Think The Note Leaver Built the Mountain ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #51
She should know her place, right? Jamastiene Jan 2015 #62
Pointing out that people shouldn't just assume based on appearance kcr Jan 2015 #74
The wounded vet who left note may have been having a bad PTSD day. mackerel Jan 2015 #23
Maybe, certainly everyone can have bad days HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #39
There's no way to know if the author of the note ever served in the military. Kaleva Jan 2015 #61
Oh, it's nothing. So long as the veterinarian got a spot close to the entrance. delrem Jan 2015 #24
What next? Special parking spaces for former Boy Scouts? Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #30
Who cares? Glengoolie Jan 2015 #31
The people who are excluded. Demit Jan 2015 #32
Are you complaining about parking spots for pregnant women as well? Glengoolie Jan 2015 #33
That is exactly what I'm complaining about. Demit Jan 2015 #45
I feel like you are poking around in Poe's law territory... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #73
What's wrong with me? Age, arthritis and my feet. Demit Jan 2015 #75
So it's not that you are bothered by the exclusion... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #91
I'll try this one last time Demit Jan 2015 #92
It's private property... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #96
Depends on who their target market is. jeff47 Jan 2015 #50
I would think that wouldn't need explaining. We're talking supermarkets, Demit Jan 2015 #57
Except supermarkets don't server a general clientele. jeff47 Jan 2015 #59
I live in an area with large supermarkets that don't 'aim for smaller segments'. Demit Jan 2015 #78
My examples are three large chain stores. jeff47 Jan 2015 #80
Wegman's is competing with Acme, SuperFresh, Pathmark & ShopRite. Demit Jan 2015 #82
The point is you'll find difference in their stock based on who they want in the store. jeff47 Jan 2015 #83
I think the horse you are beating is dead. Demit Jan 2015 #87
Whites only spaces treestar Jan 2015 #94
Any store dumb enough to have "Whites only" spaces deserves what they get... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #97
Pregnant woman are not disabled treestar Jan 2015 #98
Holy moly.... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #100
Because women cannot register for, nor will be drafted. icymist Jan 2015 #34
Man...It takes courage to kick that hornet's nest davidn3600 Jan 2015 #35
Because all men in the military are there because they were drafted, right? Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #42
Apparently, Earth. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #63
Oh no. she made a big deal about nothing Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #72
That's an excuse for sexism, then? kcr Jan 2015 #88
The world if full of assholes madokie Jan 2015 #37
I shop at our local Harris Teeter (Chapel Hill, NC) and we have these spots, too. mnhtnbb Jan 2015 #38
Frankly, RobinA Jan 2015 #44
I don't know if my husband parks in the veteran spots, but he could. When I had small children, mnhtnbb Jan 2015 #46
I would like senior citizen parking spots for senior citizen victims mentally incapacitated by Fox. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #41
I Want The "58 Year Old With MS, But Not Handicapped In Any Way" Spots ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #52
"Folks too lazy to park half a block away" spots would be in demand. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #53
I Wouldn't Use Those ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #58
how do you know that person with MS is NOT handicapped?? blindersoff Jan 2015 #76
Um, I've Had MS for 20 Years, Slick ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #81
Sorry, misread your post, Slick (nice) blindersoff Jan 2015 #84
You Are Far Too Serious ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #86
Instead of parking spaces, we need to be assisting vets with mental health services. Tatiana Jan 2015 #43
That is actually typical of the mentality of a lot of people in this state. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #60
Thanks for posting..Good information. n/t whathehell Jan 2015 #66
another sexist asshole who forgets that women serve in the military as well. niyad Jan 2015 #69
You know what would be fucking hilarious? Orsino Jan 2015 #77
are there any Peace Corps Only spots? Teachers Only spots? uhnope Jan 2015 #85
Forget about the shame of that unjust experience kcr Jan 2015 #89

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
2. I wonder if the person who left the note was really a vet
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:20 PM
Jan 2015

If he was, surely he must have served alongside some women during his service in the military.

In any case, I hope he has seen this story and is ashamed of himself.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
17. That was my question . . .
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:48 AM
Jan 2015

But looking at the photos, it appeared to be a private (restaurant) parking lot rather than a municipal or federal space. So that appears to be an individual choice by the restaurateur.

karmaqueen

(714 posts)
27. This is at A Harris Teeter Grocery Store in Wilmington NC
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:14 AM
Jan 2015

We go there all the time. Some time Cars are utilizing It sometime not. My biggest beef with the guy is that He watched her get out of the car . He should have said something if he thought she was wrong. She was not but why wait till she left the scene.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
21. Example of sexism. It should enlighten folks who forget that women are vets, too.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:27 AM
Jan 2015

Like the VA which needs more female providers.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
25. They definitely should have more female providers.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:49 AM
Jan 2015

Although things have gotten better. I remember once back in the 80s when the VA sent me a health survey through the mail to fill out with all these questions to answer such as how many hours of sleep do I get each night, how often do I get up during the night to go to the bathroom, my diet and a variety of other issues. It never asked me any questions related to my pregnancies or reproductive system. I was flummoxed a few weeks after I mailed the questionnaire when I got a response saying I needed to have my prostate checked. The questionnaire had never bothered to ask for my gender. It had just assumed that all the veterans responding would be males.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
22. Because she contacted the newspaper...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:30 AM
Jan 2015

to say (from the link)


...
Caine said she doubts she'll ever find the author of the note, but hopes the person realizes their error.

"I want them to know they owe me and every other female service member who's fighting now and who's fought in the past, an apology for jumping to conclusions," Caine said.
...


Not a terrible idea to remind everyone that people other than men serve their country, regardless of how right or wrong that is. Might not hurt to remind folks that all sorts of religious beliefs, and none, are present as well.

But then, we don't teach the importance of that in school much, perhaps because it is hard to capture the essence with fill in the circle tests.

The story likely won't do any good for the blockhead who left the note, but it might make others think.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
56. Well, before the days of the intertubes this wouldn't have been a story
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jan 2015

Reporters used to actually "investigate" and "report" on things of importance...

Now with the days of the intertubes everyone is lazy. Lady found note on car...HUGH!

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
64. Before the intertubes a LOT of things wouldn't have been a story,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jan 2015

and I doubt you'd object to them all, in fact, I sense your real objection

to this story is it's feminist point, so I'm sorry, but it's at least as much

"story" as lots of others posted here.

P.S. She's not just a "lady", she's a veteran who got shit for not

being a MALE veteran.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
65. My first take was that it was that she wasn't disabled...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jan 2015

If I saw a special parking spot for veterans I would assume that because it is up front and central...um..for people hurt in the line of duty.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
68. I've already spent two much time on this...I'm purging it from my mind LOL
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jan 2015

hey, check this out..

Beware of Dog- FAIL




whathehell

(29,067 posts)
70. Yeah, losing the argument is always a good time to leave, LOL
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jan 2015

You find dead dogs funny...I'm guessing that tells us all we need to know about you.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
71. dog sleepy not deady...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jan 2015

sleepy dog climb over fence with silence LOL

did I lose something? I did lose my stud finder...re-organized the entire garage last weekend and studdy is missy

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. I've never seen nor heard of "veterans-only" spots. Why does such a thing exist?
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jan 2015

Veterans who are disabled would be able to use handicapped spots. Instead of having spots that can be used by perfectly healthy veterans, why not increase the number of handicapped spots so that more of those folks who truly need to park closer are able to do so?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. I see them near bases sometimes. The American Legion is against them
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:32 PM
Jan 2015

but, ultimately, the store can do what it wants with its parking lot.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
10. It sounds like one of those empty "thank you for your service" gestures American businesses love to
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jan 2015

make.

Much easier and cheaper than paying taxes to actually take care of veterans, or maybe hiring a few at a decent wage.

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #6)

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
47. It's not legally enforced. The business just thinks it helps their image.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jan 2015

If you go to a "Babies-R-Us", you'll find "Pregnant Women Only" parking spots. Nothing will happen to you if you park there and are male.

The business just thinks it makes them look better to their customers.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. Who goes around identifying themselves as "wounded Vet"? What does that mean?
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jan 2015

And is this for real, there are such spots on private property.

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
12. The kind of person who writes those spam essays about God-and-Country and emails them to millions
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jan 2015

That's who. I don't know of any vets who would sign themselves "Wounded Vet."

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
99. I know many
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jan 2015

or relative to the overall vet population a few. I was homeless myself for a time, a lot of shelter services have a special set-up just for veterans, you go through that you meet a lot of other homeless veterans. Myself, I never mention I'm a vet unless it is relevant to the discussion. I also couldn't panhandle, telemarketing, sales I just have too much social anxiety for that kind of thing. Others, not so much. They'll panhandle, have a sign pointed out they're homeless veteran (in some cases, continue to do so after housing), also if they're wounded if they're are and vets with those signs make good company compared to the general sign holding population. $100-$200 a day, often times. Not always, but near US 60 a good chance. Veterans like anyone else identify, feel, speak, and use their experiences differently.

 

glasshouses

(484 posts)
20. You don't see too often but some wounded in theater can request to have a purple heat on the plate
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:21 AM
Jan 2015

I know a lot of guys that were wounded and never saw them request it on the plate.

At the VFW there's a couple of guys who served in Korea that have it on theirs .
One lost his foot and the other guy half his face

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
40. Vets are victims of global wars played out by narcisstic leaders wanting personal power, not unlike
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:46 AM
Jan 2015

the elderly in America are victims of Fox and it's targetted mental abuse.

Why advertise it?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
95. I did but I wasn't a victim of the propaganda
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jan 2015

Receiving my selective service registration thingy, joining the military was the last thing I ever thought possible. In march 2003, I was often called "lib dem coward" and "support our troops" on college basketball & Yahoo CSCO message boards. I would be one of the few in the crowd (especially college basketball) to mention my opposition & I'd get surrounded by commie pinko and other insults, half I had no idea what they meant. I watched it all CSPAN, the live coverage, Donahue losing his job, Howard Dean, etc.

Fast forward to 2005, I missed to many days for a data entry job after meeting my ex-wife there and the only real relationship and by far the longest -- others were interested in what I had or using me, she may have but not nearly quite the same level as any other relationship which ended quickly and the ones that lasted a month or more should have been ended sooner -- she had more work experience so she could leave that one off and was hired 1 day without a job. I wasn't so lucky but I certainly did try, almost got a better paying data entry job but fumbled the interview. Always fumbled interviews, I often did work temporary, construction clean-up inhaling Goof-Off with no respirators, chopping 6 ft long weeds in a mobile home complex (got a story to tell with this one), long hour backbreaking minimum wage work.

One day, I was at a bus stop with resume copy on my way to apply for a job, when out-of-the-blue a recruiter comes up and asks, "What job trains for over 100+ different career fields for free?" Said exactly the right words for me, went down with him to try to figure out what I could do to parlay for future employment. 88M or truck driving was the most obvious, plus the $20,000 enlistment bonus helped. Here is the funny thing, I was 18 but never drove or had a license which was a requirement for the MOS. My recruiter? No problem, he took me out in his government car and let me drive around a side street. Next time, was traffic and at Mill & University, I made a right turn on red as the green arrow cars were coming at me. All-in-all, the only thing he really said that was a lie was the being sent to barracks because only thing to do was kick rocks at the motor pool (I head in Hawaii or Germany it was more like this but in Ft. Lewis they certainly found something or we kicked rocks instead of going to the barracks. He also oversold the barracks but the ones I ended up going to were more like the ones he described when far more other barracks are no rooms, no doors or locks except the front door.

I also was under intense pressure from within & her to hurry up, find something and chip in and that seemed to be the best way but I knew very well what I was getting into, specifically with the MOS and $20,000 enlistment bonus. In basic our platoon Drill Sergeant had us go around and tell us why we joined the military, my truthful answer would have been, "so my girlfriend wouldn't leave me(it wasn't that simple, she was & will remain very special to me)" so I went with school or some answer. School, money, GI bill, benefits, training for a career were the most common answers given, very few said duty, honor, patriotism, or some buzzwords. Very few are full of shit like that or when they are, also have the most full of shit stories when they come back (the same guy I'm thinking of, you should have seen right after we all inhaled some marijuana--he just couldn't wait to tell you all these new thoughts that came to his head.

Anyways, that is my story I'm sticking to it.

On edit - first chance I got to check my e-mail in basic training, I had job offers in my inbox.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
9. What was the problem -- that she didn't appear to be man,
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:32 PM
Jan 2015

or that she didn't appear to be wounded?


rocktivity

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
11. Veteran's parking spots?
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:42 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/27513692/harris-teeter-offers-parking-spots-just-for-veterans
Many stores offer parking spaces that are reserved for specific shoppers - like handicapped drivers or drivers with children.

Harris Teeter is adding to list by offering designated parking spots to veterans.
<..>


http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/2014/11/11/special-parking-spots-for-disabled-vets/18838941/

It began when he saw a veteran who didn't have a special parking permit slowly making his way into a Walmart store in Hudson Oaks.

"He said, 'No, I don't [have parking] because I'm not handicapped or wheelchair-bound,'" Vines recalled the man telling him. "'I'm just a tired old disabled veteran.'"

Vines says it's pride that keeps veterans from parking in handicapped spots.

So to help, he approached Walmart management about creating reserved parking spaces for disabled Veterans. The idea took off.

<...>


JI7

(89,249 posts)
13. i bet the piece of shit who left the note wasn't even a vet, fucking assholes, i hope she gets some
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:07 AM
Jan 2015

money from the site that raises funds for people like that pizza guy who dealt with the shitty car dealers.

 

glasshouses

(484 posts)
15. She should have it on her plate
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:17 AM
Jan 2015

If not it's the same thing as someone who is legally handicapped and parks in a spot with no plate
ID or a hang tag from the mirror .

That person could also come back and have a citation on their windshield

This is a non story

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
16. Since there's no law mandating and protecting the veteran's parking spot,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jan 2015

what would the citation be for? I've never been in the military and I can legally park in that spot. Granted I wouldn't, but that's because I enjoy the extra walk from the back of the parking lot most days and I tend to be picky about where I park since I don't like to back out of parking spaces.

 

glasshouses

(484 posts)
18. I didn't say it would be for her
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jan 2015

She just received a letter from a vet placed on her window.

I just gave the example if a car is parked there and the owners of the property would like
to have it for vets that is their choice but I don't see how it could be legally enforced .

People just do it out of respect .

She made a mountain out of a molehill calling the paper

ProfessorGAC

(65,031 posts)
51. I Think The Note Leaver Built the Mountain
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jan 2015

Even if she wasn't a vet, and she was, why didn't that note writer just mind his or her own damn business.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
62. She should know her place, right?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jan 2015

What an assholish thing to say. She had every right to call the paper about it. I'm glad she did. That kind of misogynistic bullshit should be highlighted every damn time it happens until the assholes learn that women are human beings. She served the goddamn same. She deserves respect the same.

kcr

(15,316 posts)
74. Pointing out that people shouldn't just assume based on appearance
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jan 2015

isn't a molehill. Most people don't contact the news when this happens but more should.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
39. Maybe, certainly everyone can have bad days
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:37 AM
Jan 2015

It could also be that 'wounded vets' mobility outside of the vehicle is an issue and at that time he' felt he needed that spot more than someone who doesn't have such a problem.

Vets do make distinctions among themselves about combat vs non-combat, injured/disabled vs not injured/disabled etc Even if he knew she was a vet, he might have still been unhappy about losing access to the spot.

I've heard vets complain about other vets having lower/no co-pays for meds because of their current income and/or lack of insurance.

The story line in the report is it happened because of a gender stereotype, it could be, or it might a guy having a bad day, or it could be that she appeared fully able-bodied and for some reason he felt that indicated he needed that spot more than she did.

Vets are people with all the possibilities that holds.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
24. Oh, it's nothing. So long as the veterinarian got a spot close to the entrance.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:48 AM
Jan 2015

Hopefully the veterinarian wasn't caring for Iraqi cats, tho'!

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
30. What next? Special parking spaces for former Boy Scouts?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:05 AM
Jan 2015

I don't have a problem with parking spaces for the handicapped/disabled and for pregnant women, but military veterans don't seem to need special parking. If they're disabled to the degree that their mobility is impaired they can get a disabled permit. Just like anyone else.

Glengoolie

(39 posts)
31. Who cares?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:17 AM
Jan 2015

The store is private property and they think that...

a) It will reflect well on them and increase their business

or

b) The practice is just something to benefit a certain group that they would like to provide a benefit to

What exactly is the harm?

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
32. The people who are excluded.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:47 AM
Jan 2015

Like older people, whose feet hurt or who have arthritis, who have to park farther away because the grocery store reserves close-in parking spots to pregnant women. Who are by definition young.

I hope store managers realize that giving preference to some of their shoppers is a slap to others. It's unnecessarily alienating.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
45. That is exactly what I'm complaining about.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jan 2015

We declare in other contexts that pregnancy is not an illness, when the assumption that we are suddenly frail or infirm limits our rights and freedoms.

And if a woman is feeling ill or infirm from pregnancy symptoms, as women often do—well, that's no different from any other member of the population who is feeling ill or infirm and wouldn't mind a shorter walk to the grocery store entrance. The store is deciding who to elevate over whom in importance, and it's stupid.

Glengoolie

(39 posts)
73. I feel like you are poking around in Poe's law territory...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jan 2015

... and I'm not sure if you are just having a wank.

Seriously, who could possibly be against giving a pregnant woman an easier time of things?

What's wrong with you?

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
75. What's wrong with me? Age, arthritis and my feet.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jan 2015

No, I'm not trolling. I'm quite serious. To ask your question back at you, what could be wrong with giving older people an easier time of things? Do you think pregnant women are more deserving of consideration than old people are?

Both groups, of course, are deserving. I'm saying I think stores shouldn't dictate who, aside from the handicapped, should have preference in parking spots. I hope that is clear now in your mind.

Glengoolie

(39 posts)
91. So it's not that you are bothered by the exclusion...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:04 AM
Jan 2015

... It's that you want them to exclude in your favor.

Now it all makes sense...

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
92. I'll try this one last time
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:51 AM
Jan 2015

I don't think stores should make the decision. Let everyone take their chances on where they find a parking spot. The disabled get their spots reserved by law & that's good. All other spots should be first come, first served, because we all have our troubles.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
50. Depends on who their target market is.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jan 2015

Babies-R-Us is going to massively benefit from "Pregnant Women Only" spaces. A business that caters to seniors will be hurt by them. That's why the former will have them, and the latter will not.

And guess what? You can park in the "Pregnant Women Only" spaces, even if you're male. Only the handicapped spaces have legal protection.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
57. I would think that wouldn't need explaining. We're talking supermarkets,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jan 2015

which serve a general clientele.

Once, in a Wegman's parking lot, I parked *adjacent* to a pregnant women spot, not even in one (the blue lines were only on one side), and the ream of invective I got hurled at me when I came out of the store would've curled your toes. By two young women with faces contorted in hate. So if you're the sort who will shrug that off to make a point (that it's legal), more power to you. Most people will just concede the space, to avoid the possibility of an unpleasant confrontation.

Or, store managers might find out, people might just begin avoiding their stores altogether.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
59. Except supermarkets don't server a general clientele.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jan 2015

They're aiming for particular shoppers.

One of the stores near us has almost no diapers or other baby products. A different store filled an entire aisle with them. That's because the first store is aiming for older, wealthier shoppers. The second store saw a hole in who the first store was serving, and made a play for those shoppers.

That second store has a very small meat department, and only filled it with very expensive meat. A third store put in a very large meat department with lots of pricepoints for meat, and a medium-sized baby products aisle. Why? The second store was aiming for not-as-wealthy-as-the-first-store families due to limited space, and the third store is aiming for younger people who are unlikely to have children yet, and have more limited funds.

Supermarkets will take anyone's money, but they are all aiming for smaller segments of shoppers.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
78. I live in an area with large supermarkets that don't 'aim for smaller segments'.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jan 2015

They aim for volume. My particular story was about Wegman's, a chain which makes a point of having a huge assortment of goods, in a huge floor plan. Yes, there are supermarkets who specialize, like Whole Foods does in organic. And chain supermarkets in certain communities won't carry certain things, like the Acme in a predominantly Italian neighborhood I know that doesn't carry part-skim Mozzarella cheese, presumably because they found out it didn't sell. Italian cooks wouldn't deign to use it. The Acme isn't deliberately not selling it because they're 'aiming' for anyone. They are responding.

Large supermarket chains are not aiming for particular shoppers. Maybe the smaller stores near you do. But I live in a sprawling, car-centric area with several competing chains, and they are all competing for every shopper who has a car and makes major grocery-shopping trips to a supermarket.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
80. My examples are three large chain stores.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jan 2015

And if you look, you'll find your Wegman's is aiming for different customers than Price Chopper or Hannaford (to name some NE chains)

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
82. Wegman's is competing with Acme, SuperFresh, Pathmark & ShopRite.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:20 PM
Jan 2015

Which are the major chains in my area.

I don't know what your point is in re pregnant women reserved parking, but I've lost interest, sorry.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
83. The point is you'll find difference in their stock based on who they want in the store.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jan 2015

Sorry that it's such a difficult concept to wrap your head around.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
94. Whites only spaces
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jan 2015

Would they be acceptable to you?

It doesn't seem it would help the store. It's going to cause irritation to the other people.

Glengoolie

(39 posts)
97. Any store dumb enough to have "Whites only" spaces deserves what they get...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jan 2015

If you don't think that stuff like this gets out, especially because of this story, and that the store doesn't get a PR boost for 'supporting the troops' you are missing the boat.

It is at least possible and I suspect probable...

Are you with the other guy who thinks that stores shouldn't be allowed to set aside parking for pregnant women either on their private property?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
98. Pregnant woman are not disabled
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jan 2015

Perfectly able to walk across a parking lot if they can be out at all. And as others said, troops who are not disabled are healthy enough. How does that even support such veterans? They would have a certain amount of pride. They are able to walk through a parking lot. IMO it's an empty gesture for them. I'd think most of them would shun it.

And if they "served" as the note writer claims, then they wouldn't have a snotty attitude of superiority towards the people in their country. They are not the only ones at war, as the civilians are too in that they pay for it via their taxes. Everyone does their part. One isn't somehow separate and apart and it is not a way to earn some sort of higher status. If they are doing us such a big favor by serving in the actual military, then would that not extend to walking across a parking lot?


Glengoolie

(39 posts)
100. Holy moly....
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jan 2015

Do you not hold doors for pregnant women either? They can get it themselves?

It doesn't have to be related to being disabled. It's a time saver. It's a benefit that the store, a private organization, has decided to confer on a group that they would like to patronize their establishment and it buys them good PR associated with their brand.

Same reason Lowe's gives 10% to veterans.... To get their business...

Are you suggesting that businesses should target every demographic equally? Do you think Babies R Us should market to the 65+ market?

Also, I gotta say that anyone who would fight to make a pregnant woman's life just a bit more difficult... Wow... Sheesh...



 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
35. Man...It takes courage to kick that hornet's nest
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:38 AM
Jan 2015

You are right, of course. But many here can't handle that truth.

The guy that wrote the note is a first class asshole, and sexist. But it's not surprising considering how our society views military service and gender.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
42. Because all men in the military are there because they were drafted, right?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jan 2015


On what planet do the sexist draft laws excuse sexism in the military?

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
63. Apparently, Earth.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jan 2015

Not saying it is right, but that seems to be the norm, especially with a lot of men in NC. This place is set up so that women are always going to be considered less than. That sexist mentality rules in my hometown. Women are treated like shit here. I'm glad the woman contacted the paper. It's about time women started highlighting the crap we have to put up with on a daily basis from assholes like the person who wrote the note.

kcr

(15,316 posts)
88. That's an excuse for sexism, then?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jan 2015

Okay to be a misogynist asshole, because women can't be drafted? That's solid logic, there. So, is it okay to be jerks to men who've served who are too young to have served before the military was all voluntary?

madokie

(51,076 posts)
37. The world if full of assholes
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:00 AM
Jan 2015

all us has one but some people are all asshole. The person who wrote that was one of those kind

mnhtnbb

(31,388 posts)
38. I shop at our local Harris Teeter (Chapel Hill, NC) and we have these spots, too.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:02 AM
Jan 2015

There are so many reserved spots in these lots now: handicapped, veterans, parents
with small children, that I often drive through several rows before finding a spot. And
most of these 'reserved' spots are empty when I'm there.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
44. Frankly,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:55 AM
Jan 2015

I don't feel one is obligated to adhere to any made up interest group sign such as these. I would never park in a spot for handicapped people and if somebody made up a sign for older people I would probably honor that. Other than that, I tend not to. if you need a close spot there is a mechanism in place for you. OK, signs on spaces designated for take out food pick-up, I get that. And if they had a sign next to the store reserving spots for social workers, I probably would not take advantage. You're able-bodied, you take your chances at parking spot roulette just like everybody else.

mnhtnbb

(31,388 posts)
46. I don't know if my husband parks in the veteran spots, but he could. When I had small children,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:03 AM
Jan 2015

I wouldn't have minded having a spot reserved for me! And for the 6 months I used a cane prior
to hip replacement surgery, I wouldn't have minded being able to park in handicapped, but never
bothered to apply for the permit. So...I'm healthy now. I don't mind walking a little farther to the store entrance.
But I do think it's kind of strange that so many spots are "reserved" for different reasons.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
53. "Folks too lazy to park half a block away" spots would be in demand.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jan 2015

What about the "For folks so busy they may need to park "just a minute" in front of the doors" spots, also.

blindersoff

(258 posts)
76. how do you know that person with MS is NOT handicapped??
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jan 2015

Some education for you here: MS is a disease where a person can have periods of normalcy and not need a handicapped parking space and then other times might not be able to walk well from a distant spot to a store. Fatigue and weakness can come on quickly and walking INTO the store might go just fine, but by the end of the trip the person might be almost unable to walk. So don't assume that just because you can't see a disability that there isn't one. Just my perspective as a person with MS...

blindersoff

(258 posts)
84. Sorry, misread your post, Slick (nice)
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jan 2015

I thought by the wording of your post that you were saying that no one who didn't have a visible disability should have a permit. I also have no handicap but do have relatives with MS who are very debilitated and I do know that the variability in their ability to do things comes and goes. Sheesh yourself.

ProfessorGAC

(65,031 posts)
86. You Are Far Too Serious
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:03 PM
Jan 2015

I make a joke using myself as the butt as the selfish one using any excuse for convenience parking and get castigated.

You need to relax.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
43. Instead of parking spaces, we need to be assisting vets with mental health services.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:55 AM
Jan 2015

These little empty "thank you for your service" gestures irritate me. What our vets need is comprehensive (and timely) medical and mental health services, so they can reintegrate into society after their service. I lost my father due to his inability to recover from what he experienced in Vietnam. There are so many other veterans suffering from PTSD and a host of other mental health issues that prevent them from steady employment and maintaining health relationships.

As far as the article is concerned, that guy is a jerk -- and a sexist one at that. I hope this story reaches him.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
60. That is actually typical of the mentality of a lot of people in this state.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jan 2015

It is ingrained in the culture in NC. Women are seen as lower than shit, basically. They don't consider a woman's sacrifice as equal or in any way a real sacrifice. She could have no legs at all and they would still leave that kind of insulting note, JUST to remind her of "her place." Women are held very low in the pecking order in this state, somewhere below the woman's son's dog and a random field mouse, and there are times when men in this state care more about a field mouse than the "old lady." I wish I could show people what it is really like in so many areas of this state, as far as how women are viewed and treated.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
77. You know what would be fucking hilarious?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jan 2015

If the "wounded vet" turned out to be female, too.

I'd bet money this was a man, though.

kcr

(15,316 posts)
89. Forget about the shame of that unjust experience
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:45 PM
Jan 2015

The REAL outrage is dumb specialized parking spaces!

Oh, DU!

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