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dkf

(37,305 posts)
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 04:29 AM Apr 2012

Zimmerman advised by animal control to buy gun to protect himself from pit bull.

Leading the new details in Chris Francescani's 2,650-word feature about Zimmerman's background, his family, his career, and his prior troubles with the law, is the story about how Zimmerman came to carry a gun. It started when a neighborhood dog, a pitbull named Big Boi, cornered his wife Shellie Zimmerman in their yard in the fall of 2009. George Zimmerman bought pepper spray, but when he called Seminole County Animal Services to complain about the dog, the officer who responded had this advice for him:

"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.

"Get a gun."

After completing handgun training, both George and Shellie Zimmerman bought pistols, Francescani reports.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/04/why-george-zimmerman-got-gun/51579/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

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Zimmerman advised by animal control to buy gun to protect himself from pit bull. (Original Post) dkf Apr 2012 OP
A threatening dog obviously off-leash and animal control says "buy a gun"? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #1
Actually in most communities nothing is done exboyfil Apr 2012 #2
great tactic RitchieRich Apr 2012 #7
+1 obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #12
I've literally had animal control tell me to shoot my neighbors peacocks... lacrew Apr 2012 #16
Really? So, he carried the gun in his vehicle to protect him against an alleged ET Awful Apr 2012 #3
You have to admit that Trayvon Martin looked a lot like a viscious dog... rfranklin Apr 2012 #4
So Trayvon was a werewolf? LuvNewcastle Apr 2012 #5
Umm.. We prefer "lycanthrope" Fumesucker Apr 2012 #8
Most teen wolves wear hoodies, under an athletic jacket... Thor_MN Apr 2012 #15
Like you can pull a pistol, take off the safety, aim and fire in a quarter second. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #6
Somewhat true. That's why I carry a carry a snub nosed revolver in my pants pocket ... spin Apr 2012 #11
That may be tha case withe Kel Tec 9mm that zimmy was carrying. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #23
Animal control laws are very strict in my community. Solomon Apr 2012 #9
What's the difference between Trayvon and a pit bull? GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #10
I wonder it the pit was raised by a Afro-Peruvian grandfather too? obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #14
A LEO would never tell someone that obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #13
Because only cops have the right to shoot a dog... -..__... Apr 2012 #19
If Zimmerman had shot a dog, he'd have been Solomon Apr 2012 #17
Scared of dogs, bad guys, and boogiemen...Zim should have stayed home NightWatcher Apr 2012 #18
Huh. When I called animal control about my neighbor's 2 dogs magical thyme Apr 2012 #20
Irrelevant. sadbear Apr 2012 #21
Wow, i didn't know there were packs of pit bulls running around, pulling people out rustydog Apr 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #24
You are trying too hard nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #25
Did they advise him to carry a gun when he goes shopping at Target? Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #26
I always thought gejohnston Apr 2012 #27

exboyfil

(17,833 posts)
2. Actually in most communities nothing is done
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:08 AM
Apr 2012

until the beast actually attacks a person or another dog. You can complain all you want it usually does no good.

RitchieRich

(292 posts)
7. great tactic
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:59 AM
Apr 2012

All the best lies have truth in them. Get people to agree on an irrelevant issue and you magically win the argument. When I lived in S. FL, everyone was nuts over those dogs, most were nice but lots were very not. One of the most liberal people I know hates unleashed dogs, jokingly calling himself the dogkicker, as they aggressively come at us when we're running.

 

lacrew

(283 posts)
16. I've literally had animal control tell me to shoot my neighbors peacocks...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:49 AM
Apr 2012

....with the disclaimer 'you didn't hear that from me'.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
3. Really? So, he carried the gun in his vehicle to protect him against an alleged
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:27 AM
Apr 2012

pit bull . . . I'd be interested in hearing what this alleged animal control officer that allegedly told him to arm himself to shoot a dog has to say.

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
4. You have to admit that Trayvon Martin looked a lot like a viscious dog...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:44 AM
Apr 2012

Zimmerman could have easily mistaken him for a canine.

LuvNewcastle

(16,797 posts)
5. So Trayvon was a werewolf?
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:58 AM
Apr 2012

This was just a vicious dog attack and Z. was defending himself. Trayvon turned back into a human after he died. Explains everything.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
15. Most teen wolves wear hoodies, under an athletic jacket...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:36 AM
Apr 2012

Easy to see why Zimmerman was confused, Trayvon forgot the athletic jacket and so looked like a plain old wolf in a hoody.






re: the OP, Are there any other things in the news that might tenuously explain why GZ gunned down a teenager?

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
6. Like you can pull a pistol, take off the safety, aim and fire in a quarter second.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:58 AM
Apr 2012

If it is possible at all, it would take years of training to do that.

spin

(17,493 posts)
11. Somewhat true. That's why I carry a carry a snub nosed revolver in my pants pocket ...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:17 AM
Apr 2012

Last edited Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:19 PM - Edit history (1)

no safety to worry about. If the shit hits the fan, I can draw the weapon, quickly aim and pull the trigger and it makes a loud noise.

While it is true that even if I have my hand in my pocket on the revolver it will take more than a quarter of a second to draw and fire, I can hit a target at close range very quickly. I have had over 45 years experience target shooting handguns and also many years of practicing the much faster but far less accurate art of self defensive shooting, however it is also a fact that the average individual can learn defensive shooting in a far more reasonable time. Target shooting a handgun may require shooting at a target 75 feet or more. Defensive shooting is most often at 15 feet or less.

I could also point out that many semi-auto pistols do not have a safety lever that you have to disengage. The safety for weapons like the Glock is on the trigger so all you have to do is to point and pull the trigger. Many other pistols are "double action only" like many revolvers and have no external safety.

I personally do not like self defense weapons with a safety lever. Such weapons may be more appropriate for the military.

edited for typo





geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
23. That may be tha case withe Kel Tec 9mm that zimmy was carrying.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:08 PM
Apr 2012
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pf-9/

Looks like it was a double action only - no manual safety.

But still - a quarter of a second is downright ridiculous. And he was a lot closer than 15 feet.

Solomon

(12,287 posts)
9. Animal control laws are very strict in my community.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:20 AM
Apr 2012

Can't imagine they are that lax in Florida. For a cop to tell someone to get a gun instead of citing the owner for an unleashed dog making unwanted contact is just so wrong on so many levels.

obamanut2012

(25,840 posts)
13. A LEO would never tell someone that
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:25 AM
Apr 2012

Nor would a non-uniformed animal control officer. Tell a citizen to buy a gun to shoot your neighbor's dog, in a townhome community? uh huh I could see them answering a question that yes, it is legal to defend yourself from a dog that attacks you, including killing the animal if need be.

Why didn't Mr. Faux Watch Commander complain to the townhome management or board? They could make teh owner get rid of the dog.

Solomon

(12,287 posts)
17. If Zimmerman had shot a dog, he'd have been
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:36 AM
Apr 2012

arrested right away. Such a sad commentary on the value of black life.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
18. Scared of dogs, bad guys, and boogiemen...Zim should have stayed home
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:39 AM
Apr 2012

Instead he went out looking for trouble.

If you want to Protect and Serve try out for the local police department.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
20. Huh. When I called animal control about my neighbor's 2 dogs
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:59 AM
Apr 2012

who were crossing the street and attacking me in my garden, I was told "sorry, nothing we can do."

Of course, I'm not in Florida, so I'm not going to dispute the story. But I do take it with a giant crystal of NaCl.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
21. Irrelevant.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 09:09 AM
Apr 2012

Does it make any difference whatsoever that he didn't acquire the gun to specifically shoot an unarmed, black teenager? I mean, I buy my steak knives to cut steak...

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
22. Wow, i didn't know there were packs of pit bulls running around, pulling people out
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 09:11 AM
Apr 2012

of their vehicles and mauling them...He has a valid point....NOT

Jumping Jesus, It isn't my fault I carry a firearm, the Animal Control officer told me to go buy this make, model and caliber...

Response to dkf (Original post)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. You are trying too hard
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:19 PM
Apr 2012

At the Cade evel this matters nothing, not even in sentencing.

Other aspects you ave posted may, operative word may, matter in sentencing.

I got no clue why you throw all this noise into the signal.

For the record, assuming we were both in Floridam neither of us cou qualify for the jury, since we know too much about the case..and that is a good thing.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
26. Did they advise him to carry a gun when he goes shopping at Target?
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:22 PM
Apr 2012

Zimmerman claims he was on his way to go shopping at Target when he spotted Trayvon. I didn't know Target has a pit bull problem.

Keep trying....

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