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Kurska

(5,739 posts)
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:12 PM Jan 2015

Why anti-vaxer's stupid, irrational and greedy decisions are getting others sick.

Congratulations anti-vaxers you have succeeded in causing a measles epidemic in the heart of your empire of lies (orange county). The vaccination rate in many of these places has plummeted from 3% to as low as 12% in recent decades. We are now all facing the consequences for this utter lunacy.

Worst of all, it isn't just anti-vaxxers who are getting sick. Vaccinations are not 100% effective (although they are better than 90% effective) and not all people can get them (like the immuno-compromised). When vaccination rates are in the high 90% enough people are immune that even if one person gets sick then the probability of them coming into contact with someone else who isn't immune is low. When you look at the statistics, you realize that each percentage increase in immunity makes it exponentially harder for the disease to make the multiple jumps it needs to become epidemic. Sadly, the inverse is also true.

In 2005 there were 15 cases of Measles in the Americas. In 2014 there were 3100.

Again Congratulations anti-vaxers, you've officially revived measles as an American Epidemic.

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Why anti-vaxer's stupid, irrational and greedy decisions are getting others sick. (Original Post) Kurska Jan 2015 OP
Ignoring the subject matter I think this kind of upaloopa Jan 2015 #1
Studies show anti-vaxers don't listen Kurska Jan 2015 #4
Your are hung up on that anti-vaxer thing aren't you. upaloopa Jan 2015 #6
Tahini time off to get vaccinated is more productive. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #15
Well, sometimes truth hurts Orrex Jan 2015 #5
I suggest you get a hobby too. upaloopa Jan 2015 #7
I have many, thanks, and they are fulfilling Orrex Jan 2015 #8
I think you're a little hung up on hobbies sharp_stick Jan 2015 #11
I like my hobbies upaloopa Jan 2015 #16
Since logic, reason, and science haven't been persuasive, ridicule must be employed in order msanthrope Jan 2015 #10
I agree. Anti-vaxers are stupid GOLGO 13 Jan 2015 #2
The last time the number of cases spiked it was lack of booster shots that allowed the spread. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #3
+1 nt Tree-Hugger Jan 2015 #19
Just recently we had an anti-vaxx video posted here at DU. Archae Jan 2015 #9
Science vs stupid beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #12
Thank you! xmas74 Jan 2015 #13
Powerful image. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #14
It's something I come back to again and again. xmas74 Jan 2015 #17
Actually, the heart of anti-vax country is Northern California KamaAina Jan 2015 #18
I don't know if it's stupidity and greed, but... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #20

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. Ignoring the subject matter I think this kind of
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jan 2015

OP sucks.
I would not listen to a word you say because of the way you say it.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
4. Studies show anti-vaxers don't listen
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jan 2015
http://healthland.time.com/2014/03/04/nothing-not-even-hard-facts-can-make-anti-vaxxers-change-their-minds/

It is essentially a religion at this point and they will continue to preach until they are drowning in the blood of the people they killed.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
5. Well, sometimes truth hurts
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jan 2015

It might be a bit over the top to declare that anti-vaxxers themselves are stupid, it is undeniable that their reasons for choosing not to vaccinate are stupid indeed.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
8. I have many, thanks, and they are fulfilling
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:27 PM
Jan 2015

Way down on the list, one of those hobbies is making sport of anti-vaxxers who make stupid decisions.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
10. Since logic, reason, and science haven't been persuasive, ridicule must be employed in order
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jan 2015

not to convince anti-vaxxers to change...but to convince others that joining their brigade would be a mistake.

In other words, making anti-vaxxers subject to laughter might save herd immunity.

See: birthers.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
3. The last time the number of cases spiked it was lack of booster shots that allowed the spread.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jan 2015

Same with the most recent outbreaks of pertussis and perhaps the NHL mumps cluster. I'm in no way going to defend the idiots who still think Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy are right but to presume that outbreaks are caused by anti-vaxxers is not good science.

Archae

(46,327 posts)
9. Just recently we had an anti-vaxx video posted here at DU.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jan 2015

A video from Andrew Wakefield, on a web site that makes claims like "Sean Hannity has been fired at Fox News."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017238382

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. Science vs stupid
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jan 2015

I was going to say that it's too bad there isn't a vaccination to prevent teh stupid, but even if one was available it wouldn't help these people.

If your "personal beliefs" about vaccines (aka science based medicine) are harming other people, you should stay the fuck home.

Just because you don't think you need to vaccinate your kids to keep them safe doesn't mean the rest of us don't need protection from them.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
13. Thank you!
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jan 2015

My kid has been vaccinated against everything. If the doctor says she needs it she gets the vaccination. I worked in a hab center for six years and I saw what could happen without the vaccinations. Most of the damage was from high fevers. It's awful to think about and I wouldn't dream of risking my kid in any way, shape or form when it doesn't need to happen.

The link below includes a statement by the author Roald Dahl, whose daughter Olivia died at the age of seven from measles. I've read it many times over the years in some form or another and it always makes me realize that I've made the right decision.

http://www.ovg.ox.ac.uk/blogs/ojohn/how-dangerous-measles

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. Powerful image.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jan 2015
The following account of taking his daughter into hospital after she had collapsed at home was written by Roald Dahl in a school exercise book hidden away at the back of a drawer in his writing shed:

Awful drive. Lorries kept holding us up on narrow roads. Got to hospital. Ambulance went to wrong entrance. Backed out. Arrived. Young doctor in charge. Mervyn and he gave her 3mg sodium amatol. I sat in hall. Smoked. Felt frozen. A small single bar electric fire on wall. An old man in next room. Woman doctor went to phone. She was trying urgently to locate another doctor. He arrived. I went in. Olivia lying quietly. Still unconscious. She has an even chance, doctor said. They had tapped her spine. Not meningitis. It’s encephalitis. Mervyn left in my car. I stayed. Pat arrived and went in to see Olivia. Kissed her. Spoke to her. Still unconscious. I went in. I said, “Olivia… Olivia.” She raised her head slightly off pillow. Sister said don’t. I went out. We drank whiskey. I told doctor to consult experts. Call anyone. He called a man in Oxford. I listened. Instructions were given. Not much could be done. I first said I would stay on. Then I said I’d go back with Pat. Went. Arrived home. Called Philip Evans. He called hospital. Called me back. “Shall I come?” “Yes please.” I said I’d tell hospital he was coming. I called. Doc thought I was Evans. He said I’m afraid she’s worse. I got in the car. Got to hospital. Walked in. Two doctors advanced on me from waiting room. How is she? I’m afraid it’s too late. I went into her room. Sheet was over her. Doctor said to nurse go out. Leave him alone. I kissed her. She was warm. I went out. “She is warm.” I said to doctors in hall, “Why is she so warm?” “Of course,” he said. I left.



Thanks for posting that link, I'm glad my parents knew enough to get me vaccinated. My mom was a refugee in Germany during WWII and didn't graduate from high school, she may not have understood the science but she was intimately familiar with disease and its victims.




xmas74

(29,674 posts)
17. It's something I come back to again and again.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jan 2015

Every time someone has asked me why I vaccinate my daughter I always think of what Dahl said about his little Olivia.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
20. I don't know if it's stupidity and greed, but...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:14 PM
Jan 2015

it's certainly ignorance and irrationality.

And it's killing people.

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