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PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:47 PM Jan 2015

Florida toddler fatally shoots himself with father's gun while parents load car

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by MineralMan (a host of the General Discussion forum).

A two-year-old Florida boy died on Wednesday after accidentally shooting himself with his father’s .380 caliber handgun that he found in the family car.

The toddler, Kaleb Ahles, climbed into the front seat of the family’s vehicle while his parents carried boxes to move out of their home in Tarpon Springs, located about 30 miles north-west of Tampa.

Kaleb, alone in the car, crawled across the seat and found the gun that was stored in the glove compartment, sheriff Bob Gualtieri of the Pinellas County sheriff’s office said during a Wednesday evening press conference.

Kaleb then grabbed the gun, turned the barrel toward his chest, and squeezed the trigger, Gualtieri said.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/22/florida-toddler-fatally-shoots-himself-father-gun

So sad - please gun owners, secure your weapons properly.

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Florida toddler fatally shoots himself with father's gun while parents load car (Original Post) PumpkinAle Jan 2015 OP
Just another day in gun culture. onehandle Jan 2015 #1
Incredible, incomprehensible tragedy. Firearms in abundance are such a unnecessary menace to us all. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2
these cases are so incredibly tragic Skittles Jan 2015 #3
Sorry Skittles marym625 Jan 2015 #5
Deterrence is a pillar of criminal law, punishment so others may get the message about the Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #10
Did you mean to reply to me? marym625 Jan 2015 #11
Sorry, to Skittles. It is true the punishment of a loss of a child is tragic punishment already, but Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #14
No worries. Thanks marym625 Jan 2015 #19
I did not say they shouldn't be charged Skittles Jan 2015 #12
I see marym625 Jan 2015 #13
Agreed. (nt) enough Jan 2015 #15
and everyone will say that marym625 Jan 2015 #4
If the parents had left a sharp instrument near the child they would have been charged. But not a Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #6
It's despicable marym625 Jan 2015 #7
What ever happened to common sense in criminal law when it comes to guns? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #8
N R A marym625 Jan 2015 #9
The NRA would argue Matrosov Jan 2015 #16
Typical strawman. ManiacJoe Jan 2015 #18
exactly! marym625 Jan 2015 #20
Duplicate of a previously locked thread ManiacJoe Jan 2015 #17
I thought current news was allowed marym625 Jan 2015 #21
Yes, if current and of national importance. ManiacJoe Jan 2015 #22
You should protest the lock. marym625 Jan 2015 #23
I did a search and didn't see this ......... but if a duplicate, PumpkinAle Jan 2015 #24
Locking MineralMan Jan 2015 #25
but there's no lock Phentex Jan 2015 #26
It was a blank. rug Jan 2015 #27
The lock broke. It was made in China. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #28

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. Just another day in gun culture.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jan 2015

IBGTGTPIAWAA.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. Incredible, incomprehensible tragedy. Firearms in abundance are such a unnecessary menace to us all.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:49 PM
Jan 2015

Almost too horrific to imagine the scene, the innocence of the child as he pulled the "toy" out of the glove compartment.

Skittles

(160,724 posts)
3. these cases are so incredibly tragic
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jan 2015

the parents should be charged but they've already paid a penalty worse than anything that could be imposed on them

marym625

(17,997 posts)
5. Sorry Skittles
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:55 PM
Jan 2015

They wouldn't be having to face this tragedy if they took proper precautions. And a child would still be alive.

They should face charges for his death

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. Deterrence is a pillar of criminal law, punishment so others may get the message about the
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jan 2015

killing potential of their killing machines and BE "responsible gun owners", double with kids around.

How many children are killed by guns as opposed to having their lives saved by them, I wonder?

marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. Did you mean to reply to me?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jan 2015

Or to Skittles? You and I agree on this

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
14. Sorry, to Skittles. It is true the punishment of a loss of a child is tragic punishment already, but
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jan 2015

sentencing principles would take that into account.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
19. No worries. Thanks
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jan 2015

Skittles

(160,724 posts)
12. I did not say they shouldn't be charged
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:08 PM
Jan 2015

I just noted how tragic and senseless gun humping can be

marym625

(17,997 posts)
13. I see
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jan 2015

I guess I read it wrong. It was the way it was worded.

Sorry

enough

(13,474 posts)
15. Agreed. (nt)
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:36 PM
Jan 2015

marym625

(17,997 posts)
4. and everyone will say that
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jan 2015

Losing their child is punishment enough, no charges will be forthcoming.

Only time that happens is when black parents with a kid, on the south or west side of Chicago, dies this way.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. If the parents had left a sharp instrument near the child they would have been charged. But not a
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:55 PM
Jan 2015

loaded killing machine set to "Tragedy"?

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. It's despicable
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jan 2015

But they didn't use to charge parents for child abuse either. Maybe somewhere, soon, things will change

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
8. What ever happened to common sense in criminal law when it comes to guns?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jan 2015

marym625

(17,997 posts)
9. N R A
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jan 2015
 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
16. The NRA would argue
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:42 PM
Jan 2015

that the real problem was the child wasn't even more armed, so he could've shot himself with the other gun to prevent himself from shooting himself with the one from the glove compartment.

Did that make any sense? No? That's the NRA for you lol

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
18. Typical strawman.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:49 PM
Jan 2015

The NRA would actually say there would be no shooting if their training had been followed.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
20. exactly!
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jan 2015

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
17. Duplicate of a previously locked thread
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jan 2015

marym625

(17,997 posts)
21. I thought current news was allowed
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:01 PM
Jan 2015

It shouldn't have been locked IMHO

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
22. Yes, if current and of national importance.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jan 2015

Just pointing it out so that no one is surprised if a lock eventually comes.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
23. You should protest the lock.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jan 2015

Not right

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
24. I did a search and didn't see this ......... but if a duplicate,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:31 PM
Jan 2015

please feel free to lock.

Thank you.

MineralMan

(148,151 posts)
25. Locking
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:58 AM
Jan 2015

The forum hosts, in consensus, have decided that this post does not fit the the GD Statement of Purpose.

You can repost in the RKBA or Gun Control group.

Phentex

(16,578 posts)
26. but there's no lock
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jan 2015

what happened?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
27. It was a blank.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jan 2015

benz380

(534 posts)
28. The lock broke. It was made in China. n/t
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jan 2015
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