Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:47 PM

Florida toddler fatally shoots himself with father's gun while parents load car

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A two-year-old Florida boy died on Wednesday after accidentally shooting himself with his father’s .380 caliber handgun that he found in the family car.

The toddler, Kaleb Ahles, climbed into the front seat of the family’s vehicle while his parents carried boxes to move out of their home in Tarpon Springs, located about 30 miles north-west of Tampa.

Kaleb, alone in the car, crawled across the seat and found the gun that was stored in the glove compartment, sheriff Bob Gualtieri of the Pinellas County sheriff’s office said during a Wednesday evening press conference.

Kaleb then grabbed the gun, turned the barrel toward his chest, and squeezed the trigger, Gualtieri said.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/22/florida-toddler-fatally-shoots-himself-father-gun

So sad - please gun owners, secure your weapons properly.

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28 replies	Author	Time	Post
Florida toddler fatally shoots himself with father's gun while parents load car (Original post)	PumpkinAle	Jan 2015	OP
Just another day in gun culture.	onehandle	Jan 2015	#1
Incredible, incomprehensible tragedy. Firearms in abundance are such a unnecessary menace to us all.	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#2
these cases are so incredibly tragic	Skittles	Jan 2015	#3
Sorry Skittles	marym625	Jan 2015	#5
Deterrence is a pillar of criminal law, punishment so others may get the message about the	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#10
Did you mean to reply to me?	marym625	Jan 2015	#11
Sorry, to Skittles. It is true the punishment of a loss of a child is tragic punishment already, but	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#14
No worries. Thanks	marym625	Jan 2015	#19
I did not say they shouldn't be charged	Skittles	Jan 2015	#12
I see	marym625	Jan 2015	#13
Agreed. (nt)	enough	Jan 2015	#15
and everyone will say that	marym625	Jan 2015	#4
If the parents had left a sharp instrument near the child they would have been charged. But not a	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#6
It's despicable	marym625	Jan 2015	#7
What ever happened to common sense in criminal law when it comes to guns?	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#8
N R A	marym625	Jan 2015	#9
The NRA would argue	Matrosov	Jan 2015	#16
Typical strawman.	ManiacJoe	Jan 2015	#18
exactly!	marym625	Jan 2015	#20
Duplicate of a previously locked thread	ManiacJoe	Jan 2015	#17
I thought current news was allowed	marym625	Jan 2015	#21
Yes, if current and of national importance.	ManiacJoe	Jan 2015	#22
You should protest the lock.	marym625	Jan 2015	#23
I did a search and didn't see this ......... but if a duplicate,	PumpkinAle	Jan 2015	#24
Locking	MineralMan	Jan 2015	#25
but there's no lock	Phentex	Jan 2015	#26
It was a blank.	rug	Jan 2015	#27
The lock broke. It was made in China. n/t	benz380	Jan 2015	#28

Response to PumpkinAle (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:48 PM

onehandle (51,122 posts)

1. Just another day in gun culture.

IBGTGTPIAWAA.

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Response to PumpkinAle (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:49 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

2. Incredible, incomprehensible tragedy. Firearms in abundance are such a unnecessary menace to us all.

Almost too horrific to imagine the scene, the innocence of the child as he pulled the "toy" out of the glove compartment.

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Response to PumpkinAle (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:53 PM

Skittles (148,642 posts)

3. these cases are so incredibly tragic

the parents should be charged but they've already paid a penalty worse than anything that could be imposed on them

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Response to Skittles (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:55 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

5. Sorry Skittles

They wouldn't be having to face this tragedy if they took proper precautions. And a child would still be alive.

They should face charges for his death

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Response to marym625 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:03 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

10. Deterrence is a pillar of criminal law, punishment so others may get the message about the

killing potential of their killing machines and BE "responsible gun owners", double with kids around.

How many children are killed by guns as opposed to having their lives saved by them, I wonder?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:07 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

11. Did you mean to reply to me?

Or to Skittles? You and I agree on this

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Response to marym625 (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:35 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

14. Sorry, to Skittles. It is true the punishment of a loss of a child is tragic punishment already, but

sentencing principles would take that into account.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:54 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

19. No worries. Thanks

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Response to marym625 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:08 PM

Skittles (148,642 posts)

12. I did not say they shouldn't be charged

I just noted how tragic and senseless gun humping can be

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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:10 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

13. I see

I guess I read it wrong. It was the way it was worded.

Sorry

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Response to marym625 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:36 PM

enough (12,929 posts)

15. Agreed. (nt)

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Response to PumpkinAle (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:53 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

4. and everyone will say that

Losing their child is punishment enough, no charges will be forthcoming.

Only time that happens is when black parents with a kid, on the south or west side of Chicago, dies this way.

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Response to marym625 (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:55 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

6. If the parents had left a sharp instrument near the child they would have been charged. But not a

loaded killing machine set to "Tragedy"?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:57 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

7. It's despicable

But they didn't use to charge parents for child abuse either. Maybe somewhere, soon, things will change

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Response to marym625 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:58 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

8. What ever happened to common sense in criminal law when it comes to guns?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:00 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

9. N R A

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Response to marym625 (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:42 PM

Matrosov (1,098 posts)

16. The NRA would argue

that the real problem was the child wasn't even more armed, so he could've shot himself with the other gun to prevent himself from shooting himself with the one from the glove compartment.

Did that make any sense? No? That's the NRA for you lol

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Response to Matrosov (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:49 PM

ManiacJoe (10,102 posts)

18. Typical strawman.

The NRA would actually say there would be no shooting if their training had been followed.

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Response to Matrosov (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:00 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

20. exactly!

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Response to PumpkinAle (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:46 PM

ManiacJoe (10,102 posts)

17. Duplicate of a previously locked thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026120792

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:01 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

21. I thought current news was allowed

It shouldn't have been locked IMHO

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Response to marym625 (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:04 PM

ManiacJoe (10,102 posts)

22. Yes, if current and of national importance.

Just pointing it out so that no one is surprised if a lock eventually comes.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:16 PM

marym625 (17,997 posts)

23. You should protest the lock.

Not right

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Response to PumpkinAle (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:31 PM

PumpkinAle (1,210 posts)

24. I did a search and didn't see this ......... but if a duplicate,

please feel free to lock.

Thank you.

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Response to PumpkinAle (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:58 AM

MineralMan (145,030 posts)

25. Locking

The forum hosts, in consensus, have decided that this post does not fit the the GD Statement of Purpose.

You can repost in the RKBA or Gun Control group.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:18 AM

Phentex (16,126 posts)