TPP Will Create Millions Of Jobs. Just Not In US. And They Will Pay Pennies An Hour.

[TheMastersNemesis]

These jobs will be all over the planet where the cheapest labor is. If you live in Africa you might make $50 a year. Even 10 cents an hour would be a lot of money in such places.

[Ykcutnek]

1. Link?

Preferably a source with credentials to comment on the matter and not a political figure in the labor movement.

[TheMastersNemesis]

2. I Worked At DOL After NAFTA And Watched Jobs Drain Overseas And Wages Drop.

NAFTA has been a disaster and TPP will be worse. Since NAFTA I interviewed a lot of unemployed who lost their jobs. Saw a lot of offshoring even with professionals. The media has done a good job at hiding what has been really going on.

[99th_Monkey]

3. They should rename TPP

to be the US Union Busting Act

[merrily]

8. US Worker Impoverishment Act

Some like workers a lot more than they like unions (missing the obvious connection). And union busting is about employer enrichment by means of worker impoverishment.

[Hoyt]

4. Yeah, I'd like to see a link to that too. I'm like Krugman, NAFTA gets blamed for a lot of stuff

that was caused by other factors.

[TheMastersNemesis]

5. There Is No Link.

I spent 24 years at DOL and everything I believed would happen when Reagan took over has pretty much come to pass. We have a labor market where job security is now almost non existent. Most workers have no idea how they are being screwed or why. The damage has been well disguised by the media and business community.

[msongs]

6. there is no link because our president prefers we not know what'sin the TPP nt

[merrily]

10. Yet, DUers somehow know that TPP contains provisions against poaching hippos.

[merrily]

9. Some believe that everything that ever actually happened is on the internet somewhere, and

in the exact form in which a poster being challenged stated it.

It's not necessarily so. And some people have actually experienced stuff first hand without putting up a website at the time to memorialize what they experienced.

[Hoyt]

12. That's true, but it has nothing to do with NAFTA and trade agreements.

Job security would be worse by isolating ourselves.

[ReRe]

7. C-H-E-A-P... L-A-B-O-R

= mucho C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E... P-R-O-F-I-T-S. Comprende?

[merrily]

11. And corporate power. Corporate power is people power, my friend....

if you happen to be in the business of buying up corporations, firing their US workers and either sending their jobs overseas or dismantling the corporation entirely.

Like Mitt, Gordon Gekko and other, less known job craters creators

[pampango]

13. Those damn poor people. We liberals need to wall them off so they don't bother us!

Actually the poorest in the world have done quite well in the past 25 years. It is true that they are not making $15 an hour but they are making progress in that direction. We should not be stopping their progress but focusing on the ill-gotten gains of the global 1% and redistributing that wealth to the Western middle class and the global poor.



Where did you get the figure of $50 a year as an African wage?

[TheMastersNemesis]

15. I Watch An International Channel In My Area That Is On Regular TV Feeds.

I do not have cable and MHZ International may not be on cable. They have CNN news type programs from many nations like Korea, Vietnam, China, Japan, India etc. And you get a perspective you never see on our regular media. Some times anecdotal stories will come up that reveals what people are working for.

EG. A number of years ago there was a special about Indians working at an obscure beach where ships are dismantled. The wage was 50 cents a day a few years ago. Now the wage is $1 a day to dismantle these huge ships.

The public in the US has little idea what other people make in other countries. Wages in other countries are not really tracked or talked about here. There are probably places in Africa my guess is high. And I do not know of any links where you can get wage comparisons.

I watch a travel program like Globetrekker. They go to some of the most remote places and spend time with the general populace.
Look at how people live. In one episode they were in Africa and came across some children on the side of the road selling roasted mice of all things.

If Americans really knew the kind of wages other people are making and what they are competing with they would freak.

[djean111]

14. No vote for any politician who votes for this or shills for this or supports this.

None. Oh, and this will adversely affect all those women and children and gay people and whoever else that any politician has helped gain rights. I do not feel that it is okay to slam people economically just because a politician helped them with their rights. This is not supposed to be a Sophie's Choice. "'Your money or your life" - that is a choice that only thieves and robbers used to give us.