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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:17 PM Jan 2015

Desperate Republicans Are Urging Elizabeth Warren To Run Against Hillary Clinton



They have called Senator Elizabeth Warren “an extremely attractive candidate” in the 2016 presidential campaign. They have said that she is the “hottest commodity” in the Democratic Party and that she has demonstrated the “passion and intensity” that Hillary Rodham Clinton lacks.

Those glowing compliments are not from the liberal activists who are trying to persuade Ms. Warren to challenge Mrs. Clinton, who is expected to be the party’s leading contender in 2016. They come from conservatives who are eager to drum up a contentious Democratic primary and who see Ms. Warren, a first-term senator from Massachusetts, as best positioned to weaken, and potentially defeat, Mrs. Clinton.

On cable television and in private strategy sessions, conservatives are steadily stoking the flames of a movement to recruit Ms. Warren, who has said she will not run but whose anti-Wall Street economic message resonates with the liberal base of the Democratic Party.

“Please give us Elizabeth Warren. Please, God, let us have Elizabeth Warren,” said Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas, who is considering a presidential bid.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-vs-elizabeth-warren-could-be-a-dream-match-for-republicans.html




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Desperate Republicans Are Urging Elizabeth Warren To Run Against Hillary Clinton (Original Post) apples and oranges Jan 2015 OP
Free publicity for DU. Thanks, NY Times. nt Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #1
What's wrong with that? HappyMe Jan 2015 #2
Ultimately, Warren would be defeated in the democratic primaries but apples and oranges Jan 2015 #5
Can't agree. Warren would win the primary. PAProgressive28 Jan 2015 #9
I don't think so. She would need the African American vote and apples and oranges Jan 2015 #11
Hillary has done nothing to endear herself to African Americans either. HappyMe Jan 2015 #12
Yes, many of us remember the Clintons racism in 2008 Oilwellian Jan 2015 #28
There was several times when my husband HappyMe Jan 2015 #31
good send her some money Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #3
I'm a desperate Democrat urging Elizabeth and Bernie to run against Hillary Clinton. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #4
Me too! RiverLover Jan 2015 #6
Why do we continue to underestimate the importance of the Senate apples and oranges Jan 2015 #8
Too bad Abe Lincoln became the President instead of a Senator, huh? n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #14
Just to clarify, I'm not a big fan of Clinton either apples and oranges Jan 2015 #16
If she's already the Chosen One, then my little vote for a real Democrat won't affect her. nt benz380 Jan 2015 #19
Except it's not about her. It's about we, the people, who cannot endure 4 years under apples and oranges Jan 2015 #22
Protestors were taught "anyone who incites you to violence is a narc." aquart Jan 2015 #15
The only way she'd be out of the Senate Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #23
Sigh. aquart Jan 2015 #24
Gonna be a loooong 2 years Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #26
Remember Rush Limbaugh promoting BO against Hillary in 2008? denverbill Jan 2015 #7
I sure don't. OilemFirchen Jan 2015 #10
OK, bad memory I guess. denverbill Jan 2015 #13
Yes, because no one thought Obama could win in the beginning. RiverLover Jan 2015 #17
I also remember that the people who vigorously supported him apples and oranges Jan 2015 #18
Before he was sworn in? RiverLover Jan 2015 #21
And creamed us with Rahm. Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #25
Bill Bradley 2000: "There's no difference between Bush and Gore" Pathwalker Jan 2015 #20
I first heard that line about hitting bottom before change can happen Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #27
And where did you first hear the no difference line about Bush/Gore? Pathwalker Jan 2015 #29
I took your point. Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #30
I have heard here that Hillary is unstoppable and can easily raise $1bn. So, no worries. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #32

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
5. Ultimately, Warren would be defeated in the democratic primaries but
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:24 PM
Jan 2015

as the article says:

An easy path to the nomination could allow Mrs. Clinton to enter a general election with more funding than the Republican nominee, who would have had to spend heavily to beat a wide field of competitors. Ms. Warren represents Republicans’ best hope for an expensive, prolonged battle for the Democratic nomination, weakening Mrs. Clinton along the way, political operatives on both sides say.


Republicans don't want Clinton entering the GE unscathed and with a war chest.

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
11. I don't think so. She would need the African American vote and
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jan 2015

Warren has not said or done anything to attract or connect to non-white voters. Not that Hillary has, but Hillary at least has Bill Clinton.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
12. Hillary has done nothing to endear herself to African Americans either.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jan 2015

Bill won't help there. Bill isn't running.

So far, all Hillary has is 'I canz raise money' and 'it's my turn'.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
28. Yes, many of us remember the Clintons racism in 2008
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jan 2015


It just keeps happening again and again and again. The Clintons keeps doing things, saying things, that sound awfully racist. And we’re to believe that this, the – what? 8th, 10th time? – this has happened is again just a coincidence. The first half a dozen times you launch seemingly racist attacks on your black opponent, maybe – maybe – we can write it off as “boy you’re really dumb not to get it.” But having a seemingly-racist attack from the Clinton folks on Obama every single week, after a while, you don’t get to play the “I had no idea!” card anymore. After that many times, you’re race-baiting. You’re using racism to win. And you’re destroying your legacy and your husband’s. Enough already.

http://americablog.com/2008/03/why-is-obamas-skin-blacker-than-normal-in-hillarys-new-attack-ad.html


They definitely don't have the black vote shored up and I don't see the youth vote flocking to Hillary either. If she is nominated, the Republicans will win.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
31. There was several times when my husband
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jan 2015

and I looked at one another like . Cringe worthy, she's toast- kind of moments.

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
8. Why do we continue to underestimate the importance of the Senate
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jan 2015

and other branches of government? Warren is doing great in the Senate. Losing her there would be a HUGE loss. The president can only help us with the support of a great senate and congress.

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
16. Just to clarify, I'm not a big fan of Clinton either
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jan 2015

I used to be, but she's frustrated me many times since 2008. But until a viable alternative presents him or herself, I'm not comfortable with attacking our only major potential candidate.

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
22. Except it's not about her. It's about we, the people, who cannot endure 4 years under
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jan 2015

republican rule. You wouldn't be hurting Clinton by withholding your vote. She'll be fine either way. Women, gays, minorities? Not so much.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
15. Protestors were taught "anyone who incites you to violence is a narc."
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jan 2015

That's how I feel when I see this drumbeat for Warren.

Pit one woman against another? Check.

Fulfill Wall Street's wish list by getting Warren out of the Senate? Checkmate.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
23. The only way she'd be out of the Senate
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jan 2015

is if she wins the General.

I guess the problem of filling her seat after she moves on to the White House is a risk I'm willing to take.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
26. Gonna be a loooong 2 years
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jan 2015

whatever the hell happens, Amy.

I do not expect the situation in October 2016 to look like anything we can predict from here. There are very, very many balls in the air, so God knows how they may land in the coming months. 6 months ago, nobody was figuring the craziness in crude processing, or the Syriza victory, or any number of other events.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
10. I sure don't.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jan 2015

His "Operation Chaos" was an attempt to get Clinton, presumably weaker in the general election, nominated. In fact, a significant number of PUMAs were Limbaugh acolytes - some of whom posted here.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
13. OK, bad memory I guess.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jan 2015

I do know early on Hillary was their biggest fear and he was promoting Obama. But Operation Chaos was against Obama for sure.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
17. Yes, because no one thought Obama could win in the beginning.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jan 2015

Thank you denverbill for reminding people.

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
18. I also remember that the people who vigorously supported him
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jan 2015

viciously turned on him after the election, before he was even sworn in.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
21. Before he was sworn in?
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jan 2015

Did Obama appoint Geithner, the Rubin & Summers protege, before he was sworn in?

Something like that would make sense. That's when I knew we'd been had, anyways. ( And I worked with MoveOn & his campaign to help his election.) I just can't remember the timing of it.

Pathwalker

(6,599 posts)
20. Bill Bradley 2000: "There's no difference between Bush and Gore"
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jan 2015

Gee, that worked out so well, didn't it? The Green Party thought so, said America needed to get much worse before it could get better. Do we need a third Bush and WW3 that badly?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
27. I first heard that line about hitting bottom before change can happen
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jan 2015

as a justification offered by a socialist for voting for Nixon.

Pathwalker

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29. And where did you first hear the no difference line about Bush/Gore?
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jan 2015

Certainly not during Nixon's time. My point was that Bradley wounded Gore at the beginning of the 2000 campaign with that meme, later helped into the mainstream by Bill Maher's Gush/Bore rants. At least Maher later had the decency to apologize for that.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
30. I took your point.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jan 2015

I was just commenting on the antiquity of the concept. And it has never panned out politically as far as I know.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
32. I have heard here that Hillary is unstoppable and can easily raise $1bn. So, no worries.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jan 2015

She needn't spend a nickel against Warren or any other liberal/leftist. Right?

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