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'Bear Lady' of North Carolina may have been killed by bear she was famous for feeding as authorities find her savaged remains in the woods
Remains of Kay Grayson, 67, found in wooded area near her home
Authorities could only find bones, hair and ripped clothing
Sheriff believes she was killed by a bear or multiple bears
Grayson lived in isolated home, spent her days with local bears
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932606/Bear-Lady-North-Carolina-killed-bear-authorities-savaged-remains-woods.html#ixzz3QLCQoRDk
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Other cat species can result in a similar fate as bear lady.
FSogol
(45,627 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Poor lady - she had only kindness in her heart, but no wisdom in her head. What a terrible way to go.
In the article:
sakabatou
(42,242 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)petronius
(26,616 posts)active predation. In which case, it really may be something she'd have approved of.
Personally, I'd prefer that my remains be disposed of through exposure, although into the ocean would be my choice...
exboyfil
(17,871 posts)I want to meet the bear who thinks, "Boy that was kind of tasty - maybe I should try another."
petronius
(26,616 posts)poorly secured garbage can) is ill-advised and dangerous for people and bears. Bears I think are reasonably intelligent; if one came across something that was particularly scrumptious, it would probably remember...
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)especially with the children. Brown bears are usually all about fish and almost always attack out of territoriality. Once they smacked you around enough to feel that the threat was neutralized, they usually leave. Black bears, while rare, will actually hunt humans for food. Hence the bear expert advice, if attacked by a brown bear, do not fight. If attacked by a black bear, fight for your life.
indie9197
(509 posts)Interestingly, black bear mothers are not overly protective of her cubs like the brown bear is. It is almost always the male black bear that attacks humans. They definitely think of us as a food source. And from what I have read, the black bear that is making a ruckus in your campsite is not the one that will kill you. It is the one that is following you as you are walking down the trail!
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)petronius
(26,616 posts)Although I do think it would be funny to be dressed in my scuba gear and anchored near a local dive spot, I've gotten unanimous (and vehement) opposition to that idea...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)
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bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Never would have guessed this would happen.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Bonx
(2,090 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Conditioning bears to approach humans for food. What a wonderful idea!
malaise
(269,573 posts)not freedom - ah well - maybe this was her ultimate wish
FBaggins
(26,834 posts)The problem is, it's the bear that gets to decide when he's provoked.
You deciding that you're going to hold on to one hotdog from the pack after giving him seven of them... might just meet his definition.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)"you're existing the same general space as a mama and her cubs."
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Bears never require a reason.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)But also how stupid it is too. Poor woman, what a terrible way to go. Those bears really blew their snack ticket. I had to laugh at the line in the story of how she needed to be warned not to feed bears. Duh!
Xipe Totec
(43,905 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)the deer crossing sign will take up bear illiteracy next.
csziggy
(34,141 posts)Sign text reads:
Due to the frequency of human-bear encounters, the B.C. Fish and Wildlife Branch is advising hikers, hunters, fishermen and any persons that use the out of doors in a recreational or work related function to take extra precautions while in the field.
We advise the outdoorsman to wear little noisy bells on clothing so as to give advanced warning to any bears that might be close by so you dont take them by surprise.
We also advise anyone using the out-f-doors to carry Pepper Spray with him is case of an encounter with a bear.
Outdoorsmen should also be on the watch for fresh bear activity, and be able to tell the difference between black bear feces and grizzly bear feces. Black bear feces is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear shit has bells in it and smells like pepper.
http://www.outdooroddities.com/2008/07/23/grizzly-bear-warning-sign/
frylock
(34,825 posts)mostly to warn hikers and other riders that I'm mobbing down the trail, but it seems to work for bear as well, as I have yet to encounter one.
csziggy
(34,141 posts)I've walked up on deer not even trying. Yesterday afternoon I went outside to pick up some stuff in the yard. There was a red fox over in the side yard - he didn't hear me or realize I was there and came past me. He never saw me until I moved and made a noise. Even then he just watched me to make sure I wasn't going to bother him.
But if I hike in bear territory - which includes our bottom thirty acres - I will need to learn to make more noise!
rickford66
(5,542 posts)Haven't encountered one in our woods yet.
frylock
(34,825 posts)rickford66
(5,542 posts)The banana only lasts a few days before it's black. Thanks.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Love it!
LisaL
(44,996 posts)So there is that.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Every bear she ever fed must be destroyed. No exceptions.
She killed every bear she ever fed because they will now expect to be fed whenever they encounter humans. They will eat the humans if the humans do not give them food.
She was a bear killer.
Her stupidity is immense.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I know I should have sympathy, but this is tragedy caused by deliberate, willful and reckless stupidity of the highest order.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The bear didn't want treats of dog food and peanuts, the thing was starving and that well meaning but stupid woman looked like a meal in Wellies.
So clueless, and so disrespectful of the natural world. Not her problem anymore, that's for sure.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Or at least a few scattered pieces of the lamb.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)"And the lion shall lay down with the lamb. And the lamb probably isn't going to get much sleep."
montana_hazeleyes
(3,424 posts)"And the lion shall lay down with the lamb. But the lion's the only one who's going to get back up."
I think it was Redd Foxx.
shraby
(21,946 posts)possible for the bears to find her and the rest is history.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)in our local paper.
Black bears are not like grizzlies.
Well, except they're bears lol!
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)I learned that in many ways black bears are more dangerous than grizz--for starters, they are not as shy of people, and--from our point of view--they don't look as dangerous.
LisaL
(44,996 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I'm sorry about laughing since this is a tragic event - more for the poor bears that she'd been feeding rather than the woman herself - but when I read your post I couldn't help it.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)This is why it's against the law to feed wildlife (except for birds)
To be attacked, bitten or outright killed happens plenty of times to people who think they have some type of 'special relationship' with wild animals.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)my wife and me that it's also not cool to feed the ducks and other water fowl on Gwen Moore Lake. Apparently, humans feeding the ducks causes them to forget how to feed themselves and may actually harm them nutritionally. We now scrupulously avoid feeding the ducks our stale bread. So I'd encourage DU to think twice before feeding wild waterfowl also. (Not knowing much about wildlife management, I willingly defer to the park authorities on this one without question.)
FourScore
(9,704 posts)I own ducks. Most people don't know that bread can be lethal to them.
I see parents all the time with their kids and a bag of stale bread down at our town lake, feeding the ducks. They get really kinda angry and incredulous when I tell them the bread can kill them. Ducks love blueberries though, and those are quite healthy for them. There are many fruits they enjoy.
But bread can kill them...
http://www.duckrescuenetwork.org/duck_care.html
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)best if the ducks are compelled to 'forage,' rather than depend on visitors. IOW, not so much 'nutrition' as 'behavior.' But I had also sort of gathered what you are writing about here. My wife and I always play it by ear whether we are going to pass the word along to other park visitors. If there are little kids there, we usually won't make a big deal out of it but still try to spread the message.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)When kids are there, I try to tell the parents - not the kids. I let the parents handle it from there. But they don't like hearing it, and frequently just don't believe me.
I just feel bad for the ducks. Ducks are such sweet, sweet animals with tons of personality.
I wish it were posted better at lakes with suggestions for food alternatives, like fruit.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)were most def not draconian. I meant the forest rangers never told us feeding them could kill them, just that it wasn't good for them.
The last time my wife and I were at Kenneth Hahn (a couple weeks ago), we noticed a sign posted on a tree saying "Don't feed the ducks." Problem is the sign was posted on a tree in a part of the path around the multi-level lake where there are no ducks (and no kids with bread feeding them). Even so, it was good to see the sign up now.
Agree with you that they are very sweet creatures. And a set of baby ducklings swimming in single file behind their mother -- we seem to get one set per year -- doesn't get much cuter than that!
FourScore
(9,704 posts)I feel better.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,461 posts)Saying it's "lethal" and "can kill them" is pretty draconian. The link you provide says it's bad nutrition, and can get them to rely on food being given to them. Describing it as 'lethal' makes it sound as if a duck may drop dead within a few days of you giving them some bread. It's like saying fast food is 'lethal'.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)From the BBC:
"However, visitors are being warned not to feed white bread to ducks and swans as it could kill them. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/coventry/hi/people_and_places/nature/newsid_9124000/9124132.stm
From the City of Spokane:
"Technically, if you feed ducks bread, you are actually helping to kill them. "
https://www.spokanecity.org/services/articles/?ArticleID=1850
There are plenty of other sources for the same information. Bread can kill ducks. That's not draconian; it's a fact. It doesn't mean it will, but it can. It certainly makes them very sick.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)You would think she would have know better.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)It was elk rutting season, and the park officials had put up a HUGE sign warning tourists of the danger of approaching elk during this time (i.e. mating season). Elk are huge, aggressive and dangerous.
My wife and I had to stop and take a picture of the young couple trying to feed an elk RIGHT NEXT TO THE SIGN SAYING NOT TO.
We are so disconnected from nature on this continent. We think nature is just a big Disney theme park.
Beringia
(4,319 posts)From comments on the article
This story is missing some information. According to what I have read from local sources thay have not been able to find out for sure if she was killed by bears or died from natural causes. Many of her friends said she had been very ill and think bears may have scavenged her body after she died. I guess there is just know way to know for sure. At any rate wild animals should never be fed.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932606/Bear-Lady-North-Carolina-killed-bear-authorities-savaged-remains-woods.html#ixzz3QLvYQQSd
Kaleva
(36,466 posts)The bear or bears could have been expecting food and getting none, attacked her.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)She has doomed all the bears in the area to death, most likely.
People like that are horrid and ignorant.
Wild animals are not here for your pleasure.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)"And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the bears that Treadwell ever filmed, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the bears. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food."
Beringia
(4,319 posts)Many people don't. One person on DU actually said animals are nothing more than machines. I do feel there is much more to bears than just their instincts. Native Americans allied with them in spirit for help in healing, though they stayed away from them and respected to stay away from them.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)Herzog does not seem indifferent to animals or nature to me at all. Have you seen the movie "Where the Green Ants Dream"?
"Grizzly Man" is a very sad documentary. It still haunts me.
Beringia
(4,319 posts)Maybe I will look it up. I like a lot of his work.
I did see Grizzly Man. I was afraid to at first, a story with a very bad ending, and him a recovered addict, but I finally did and enjoyed it very much. Treadwell had a good heart, he even felt sympathy with the bumble bee that died on the flower, and he was awed even by the bear poop. I felt bad that his girlfriend followed him into that dangerous landscape without any weapons. He did make a real friendship with the fox.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)It's not really so much about animals as it is about the Aboriginals and their relationship to nature. Good movie.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)FourScore
(9,704 posts)They seem to be.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)My wife does a the best Werner impersonation you've ever heard. She's going to love these.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Especially the docs!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Love Herzog.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)2naSalit
(87,155 posts)and it's not only stupid and dangerous for the humans, it's bad for the bears in so many ways.
I work in a NP during the summer and give bear safety talks three times a day to park visitors. The well worn cliche that is truth to fools is, "A fed bear is a DEAD bear."
Bears, as do other wild animals, learn tricks with treats. You give bears treats and they learn the trick that humans have food and sometimes the food is human.
There were probably a number of scavengers working on that carcass... er, cadaver if there's nothing left but bones and some inedible clothing. Black bears are more likely to kill and eat you than grizzlies but they are both known to eat people, we are made out of meat after all.
Regardless of whether she wanted to go that way or not, her stupidity will likely result in several bears being put down for becoming habituated. It's what happens when bears beat up or kill humans, or are suspected of doing so.
Looks like her ignorance will end up killing the bears she loved.
I find it really upsetting, for the bears' sake.
AnnieBW
(10,496 posts)And some days, the bear gets you.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)And the bears are going to be blamed for it. Instead of just letting the bears live and checking for human remains in their innards, then letting them heal up and go, they will kill as many bears as they can, in true redneck ignorant fashion. I know the people of NC. What can I say? They are as predictable as a broken clock, only they aren't usually right even once a day, much less twice.
Personally, I don't despise the woman so much as I despise the rednecks who will use it as an excuse to be cruel to as many animals as they can. Why do you think so many species that were native to this continent are damn near extinct? It's because of that ignoramus vigilante animal cruelty.
Yes, call it misandry, but redneck men are chicken shits when it comes to wildlife and cats. I don't know what scares an NC redneck man more; a cat, a spider, or a bear. Probably the cat first, then the spider, then the bear. Out of the three, they only seem to think they are true men if they go after the one they can openly admit to being afraid of. Just to make the redneck women like them though, they will torture and abuse cats. It reminds me of the Paula Poundstone skit about the truckers that ride by and catcall women as they go by. It's like some redneck mating ritual. Be as cruel to animals as possible and dutch oven a redneck woman and you've won her heart for life. She'll take any abuse a redneck man dishes out for bonus points if he uses a flame thrower to kill a spider.
True, feeding the bears is not a good idea, because when you run out of food and they are hungry, you become dinner, but do the local yocals have to use it as an excuse to kill as many of a species as possible and be all proud of themselves for it? I mean really, come the fuck on. The ignorance and contempt for wildlife among so many in this area are way more offensive to me than a woman who liked to feed bears and was probably killed by any entirely different species of animal. Right, blame the bears and not the serial killer (there is AT LEAST one) that has been working NC for the past 20 years. Local papers won't talk about except one sheriff in Anson County who warned women to be safe and not get slaughtered by whoever is slashing up women in central and parts of eastern AND western NC.
Pardon me if I don't hate the woman who fed the bears as much as everyone else in this thread. I also didn't find it amusing when a boy in my teen years who was trying to "straighten me out" ran off the road to hit a cat ON PURPOSE because he knew I liked cats. He really thought that was going to "straighten me out" and make me like redneck men. Nope, didn't work. Killing as many animals as possible isn't going to change my mind about the redneck men in this area either, but this is a man's state and they will do whatever they damn well please. I'm just glad there are nice men here too, who are not ignorant and fearful of even a tiny little spider or a freaking kitten, for crying out loud. My step dad will not shut the fuck up about those "20 knives" a cat supposedly has, like non-polydactyl average house cats have a thumb on their hind feet. Shows how much he knows. I'm surprised he didn't try to kill my cats every time he saw them, with the amount of fear and ignorance he displayed about cats.
Any more, I think I just hate the entire human species for that superiority complex humans seem to have when it comes to bothering to learn anything about animals or having any respect for their right to exist in the wild. Does that make me a speciesist? I don't really care. Call me whatever names you want. I just don't hate the woman who fed the bears or think she deserved some kind of cruel punishment and to be laughed at when she died. I hate the assholes who will take it out on any and every bear they can fire a bullet, arrow, or bolt into after the fact.
RIP to the woman and a hearty FUCK YOU to the assholes who will take it out on all of any species they can kill in the bear family.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)She conditioned them.
That made them dangerous to all humans.
They must all be destroyed because of her stupidity.
She is directly responsible for the need to destroy bears who have been conditioned to expect food when encountering humans, which means they will attack humans who do not offer them food.
This stupid fuck is responsible for the deaths of many bears now, post mortem.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)In doing this, she destroyed them as soon as she had shot them all herself.
Because of her, there are bears in the area that are a potential threat to children waiting at a bus stop because they smelled a bologna sandwich from a half mile away.
That's how it is. It's really messed up and she is responsible for being so selfishly stupid.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I tell my daughter that if she ever meets a man she is considering dating and discovers he hates cats to not jog but RUN in the opposite direction as fast as she can. In my experience they are insecure hyper-masculine creeps with control issues. Men who love cats, on the other hand, are usually nicer, smarter, funnier, and more secure with themselves.
Beringia
(4,319 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It really is a good gauge, even for friendships.
MH1
(17,663 posts)"FUCK YOU" to those same assholes.
Nothing pisses me off worse than someone who gets off on cruelty to animals.
JanMichael
(24,914 posts)My wife has been here for the better part of 5 decades- she is 7th generation North Carolinian.
You are describing assholes, and they live all over the US.
eridani
(51,907 posts)"Forget Disney. Not all bears have their own television show. Some are unemployed wild animals."
Vinca
(50,354 posts)Given the area it wouldn't be surprising to have every bear in the state blown to bits.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)"The media is like a bear that comes to your door every morning looking for something to eat. The day you have nothing for it, it eats you."
An animal is not a human being in a costume. Every time you feed an animal you are training it -- you are training it to do whatever it did in the 3 seconds before it got fed. Hopefully the bad training this woman did to these bears doesn't get them or some other person killed.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Ok, I'll say it. If she thought she was going to win the love and respect of all bears and wild animals by feeding them, she was projecting. When the wild animal gets hungry, it will eat food. If she runs out of food, she will become the food. These are not domesticated animals. It takes a very long time to breed domesticated animals.
11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)probably just not in the manner she intended.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You get comfortable, you get careless, you just walk up to the wrong bear that day. Maybe he woke up on the wrong side of the cave or maybe that asshole Johnson two caves down stole his honey from a tree he was working on for days and now he is unbearable. Anyway, no matter what...do not ever feed wildlife like bears. All that encourages, is your death one day down the line.
And probably not a good one, you know - like dying while sleeping from old age. More like, getting eaten by a bear. Mostly likely, while still very much alive.
Do not feed the bears unless you are okay with one by chance eating you one day.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)about the vast difference between wild and domesticated animals. And even some domesticated animals aren't completely safe with humans: witness all the maulings and deaths from dogs (mostly pit bulls, but that's a different thread).
A while back I was watching a series on Netflix that was about people who owned various wild animals, including poisonous snakes and spiders, and almost every show was about how that person died at the hands of the animal (snake, spider, whatever).
When we lived in Boulder, CO, we'd often get deer in the back yard. My sons were quite young at the time, two and six, and I told them they must NEVER go in the back yard if there was a deer there. Fortunately, after a year we bought a house that had a high fence the deer couldn't jump over.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Apparently, she wasn't.
Now I feel sorry for those bears that she'd been feeding as they seek out other humans for a treat and find themselves approaching them and possibly attacking and maiming/killing them which will result in their immediate extermination all because some stupid human thought it was "cute" to hand feed wild American apex-predators.
She should've known better. Darn. I can't stand stupid people - especially in this era of the Internet where information is readily available that warns against approaching any wild animal.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)A fascinating and disturbing documentary about a similar idiot.
Some people just don't fucking get it. Wild animals are not like your neighbor's dog or cat, which are the result of having been bred and domesticated by humans over thousands of years. Bears are NOT your friends!
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Even if they gang up on me I'll still have a chance.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)... Get over it people.
Beringia
(4,319 posts)She is actually getting the bear to perform for her, not just feeding it. She holds it up high to where the bear cannot even reach it, instead of throwing it to the ground. More numbskullness IMO.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)I imagine bears will take the bag if they want to
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)it's an excellent idea to stick to species that lack the ability to kill you. Ducks, for example.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)at least not stale bread. Fills their tummies and zero the nutrients they need.
Maybe some duck feed especially if the pond is frozen over.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)That's no joke. People get their limbs broken by swans all the time. They're surprisingly fast and powerful, and they tend to get pissed off fairly easily.
valerief
(53,235 posts)rstanleyj2918ca
(8 posts)However, this should serve as an important lesson to not treat wild animals as if they're common pets.
uppityperson
(115,682 posts)Historic NY
(37,470 posts)the aren't Boo Boo or Gentle Ben's.
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