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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:06 PM Jan 2015

another bear feeder found dead,famous for hand feeding wild bears in North Carolina





'Bear Lady' of North Carolina may have been killed by bear she was famous for feeding as authorities find her savaged remains in the woods
Remains of Kay Grayson, 67, found in wooded area near her home
Authorities could only find bones, hair and ripped clothing
Sheriff believes she was killed by a bear or multiple bears
Grayson lived in isolated home, spent her days with local bears


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932606/Bear-Lady-North-Carolina-killed-bear-authorities-savaged-remains-woods.html#ixzz3QLCQoRDk
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another bear feeder found dead,famous for hand feeding wild bears in North Carolina (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 OP
Who could have guessed that might happen? HERVEPA Jan 2015 #1
best to stick to feeding feral cats Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #2
Make sure the species is felis domesticus MohRokTah Jan 2015 #47
Is it in poor taste to note that she fed the bears one last time? FSogol Jan 2015 #3
yes Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #5
Yes, but it is true.Edit - I take that back Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #6
Or a Darwin Award candidate? sakabatou Jan 2015 #8
She was well past Darwin age, and had already either reproduced or not. braddy Jan 2015 #12
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this was post mortem scavenging rather than petronius Jan 2015 #11
She may have but I don't think exboyfil Jan 2015 #13
That's certainly a key point - any feeding of wild bears (even just a petronius Jan 2015 #20
I always feared the black bear more than the brown bear in Alaska Drahthaardogs Jan 2015 #84
Good advice from what I have studied. indie9197 Jan 2015 #101
no, I don't want to bump into you while snorkeling elehhhhna Feb 2015 #115
Perhaps I should have specified 'deep ocean' petronius Feb 2015 #119
The bears didn't think so nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #24
Okay.....I had to laugh! nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou Jan 2015 #4
Shocking. bigwillq Jan 2015 #7
They're wild animals, not pets. HappyMe Jan 2015 #9
Black bears aren't Nanny bears ? Bonx Jan 2015 #17
Great! Now the bears will be looking for other people to feed them jberryhill Jan 2015 #10
Sometimes it's Freedumb malaise Jan 2015 #19
As Bill Bryson said... a bear won't attack you unless he's provoked FBaggins Jan 2015 #14
"Provoking" could also mean Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #72
It could also just mean, "I'm hungry." Frank Cannon Feb 2015 #114
Very true. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #120
What a great experience to be able to get that close to a bear Politicalboi Jan 2015 #15
Don't Feed the Bears Xipe Totec Jan 2015 #16
Maybe that lady that complained about HappyMe Jan 2015 #18
Grizzly Bear Warning Sign csziggy Jan 2015 #21
I use a bear bell when I ride my bike on the trails around my home in SoCal.. frylock Jan 2015 #37
I should get a bear bell since I walk quietly outside csziggy Jan 2015 #42
I carry a banana to keep them away. rickford66 Jan 2015 #79
"Lisa, I want to buy your rock." frylock Jan 2015 #90
Damn. I didn't know about the rock. rickford66 Jan 2015 #93
Grizzly bear shit has bells in it and smells like pepper. SheilaT Jan 2015 #78
Well, presumably she died doing what she loved. LisaL Jan 2015 #22
She is directly responsible for the death of every bear she ever fed, MohRokTah Jan 2015 #49
She died gettting eaten by one or more bears. I doubt she loved it. CentralMass Jan 2015 #61
So Stephen Colbert was right all along. corkhead Jan 2015 #23
Is it terrible that I thought this too? n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #116
She just doomed a whole bunch of bears to being shot as well as getting her own fool ass killed. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #25
Why do people do this stupid shit? It's not a pet--it's a wild animal, with instincts. MADem Jan 2015 #26
"And the lion shall lay down with the lamb" Binkie The Clown Jan 2015 #27
That entire quote is something like this: COLGATE4 Jan 2015 #34
I heard a version that goes this way, montana_hazeleyes Jan 2015 #54
It's possible she had a heart attack or stroke and died outside her home, making it shraby Jan 2015 #28
That's actually what I read cwydro Jan 2015 #33
During my time in Alaska truebluegreen Jan 2015 #40
Or bears attacked her as she was feeding them. LisaL Jan 2015 #36
Looks like they got tired of peanuts. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #29
OMG, TwilightGardener! BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #81
what a shame, media makes 'bear feeder lady' famous instead of stopping the feedings. Sunlei Jan 2015 #30
PSA: Park rangers at Kenneth Hahn State Park (Ladera Heights, CA) have told KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #35
Feeding ducks bread can kill them. FourScore Jan 2015 #50
Well, the park rangers to whom we spoke were not quite that draconian. They said it's KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #60
Gosh. I hope I don't sound "draconian". I'm usually pretty nice about it. FourScore Jan 2015 #63
Ah, shit, the fault was mine in not having had enough coffee before posting. You KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #66
Thanks KingCharlemagne! FourScore Jan 2015 #68
Yes, you did sound draconian muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #71
I said it "can kill them", and it can. If the link I provided doesn't clear it up, here are others: FourScore Jan 2015 #76
Sad. greytdemocrat Jan 2015 #31
I was in Banff, Alberta many years ago. Maedhros Jan 2015 #32
According to article, she had stopped feeding them after being told to stop 1 year ago Beringia Jan 2015 #38
She stopped feeding them last year which could have been just a month ago. Kaleva Jan 2015 #74
Good point. She may have been killed for not feeding the bears. Vattel Jan 2015 #88
The forest is not a petting zoo, you damn, dastardly dumb-asses. alphafemale Jan 2015 #39
Werner Herzog from GRIZZLY MAN... zappaman Jan 2015 #41
I think that Werzog probably does not have an affinity for animals Beringia Jan 2015 #43
Hmmm...not sure that's what he meant by it. FourScore Jan 2015 #51
I have not seen the Green ants movie Beringia Jan 2015 #62
You should definitely see Green Ants. I think it's one of his best. Set in Australia. FourScore Jan 2015 #65
Werner Herzog inspirationals geek tragedy Jan 2015 #67
OMG! Those are hysterical! Are they all actual quotes from him and his movies? FourScore Jan 2015 #69
yep nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #70
love those! zappaman Jan 2015 #75
Second time on this thread you made me laugh. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #110
My God, that is just wonderful. Frank Cannon Feb 2015 #111
love that film, and also this one.... bettyellen Jan 2015 #94
I find something great in all of his films. zappaman Jan 2015 #96
me too. That penguin running off to the mountains has stayed with me, you know? bettyellen Jan 2015 #98
Then you'll love this... zappaman Jan 2015 #99
I do! LOL, thank you!! bettyellen Jan 2015 #100
It's called Habituation... 2naSalit Jan 2015 #44
Some days you get the bear AnnieBW Jan 2015 #45
Sadly, it was probably something else that did her in. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #46
She was a stupid fuck to feed the bears MohRokTah Jan 2015 #48
Exactly. She destroyed their natural instinct to avoid humans. alphafemale Jan 2015 #52
Yup. 2naSalit Jan 2015 #53
What a dumb and mean post. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #55
The truth hurts and she was a stupid idiot. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #58
I've found that how a man regards cats is one of the most telling things you can find out. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #73
my sister said the same thing Beringia Jan 2015 #86
I have noticed that too. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #108
I'll echo your hearty MH1 Jan 2015 #92
You "know" the "people of NC?" Wtf? JanMichael Feb 2015 #118
Wise words from Erma Bombeck eridani Jan 2015 #56
I can only imagine the peril the bears are in now. Vinca Jan 2015 #57
There is a saying in Press Relations that is meant to apply to celebrities and politicians: GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #59
She fed the bears. What else is there to say? McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 #64
She died as she lived … feeding the bears ... 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #77
When they say, "do not feed the bears" this is why. Rex Jan 2015 #80
Too many people out there haven't a clue SheilaT Jan 2015 #82
We're supposed to be the intelligent animal species. What the heck was that woman thinking?? BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #83
See the Werner Herzog documentary "Grizzly Man". Frank Cannon Feb 2015 #112
bears are wild animals otay? SummerSnow Jan 2015 #85
I'm sticking to squirrels and sparrows. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #87
Darwin Award! N/t backscatter712 Jan 2015 #89
At the end of the day, it's her life... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #91
Another thing I notice about the pictures Beringia Jan 2015 #95
while holding the bag of treats behind her back Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #105
In general, if you want to feed animals, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #97
As noted above it is probably not even a really good idea to feed ducks. alphafemale Jan 2015 #107
Swans, in particular, can fuck you up. Frank Cannon Feb 2015 #113
Someone that stupid probably voted Republican anyway. nt valerief Jan 2015 #102
RIP for the poor lady. rstanleyj2918ca Jan 2015 #103
Aw, I thought you gave up on DU. +1, I agree, etc uppityperson Jan 2015 #106
What part of Do Not Feed The Bears is not understandable... Historic NY Jan 2015 #104
Bears - if they aren't sleeping they are hungry aikoaiko Feb 2015 #117
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
47. Make sure the species is felis domesticus
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:27 AM
Jan 2015

Other cat species can result in a similar fate as bear lady.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
6. Yes, but it is true.Edit - I take that back
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jan 2015

Poor lady - she had only kindness in her heart, but no wisdom in her head. What a terrible way to go.

In the article:

However, last year she stopped feeding black bears after Sgt Mark Cagle, of the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission, warned her of the dangers.





petronius

(26,616 posts)
11. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this was post mortem scavenging rather than
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:18 PM
Jan 2015

active predation. In which case, it really may be something she'd have approved of.

Personally, I'd prefer that my remains be disposed of through exposure, although into the ocean would be my choice...

exboyfil

(17,871 posts)
13. She may have but I don't think
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jan 2015

I want to meet the bear who thinks, "Boy that was kind of tasty - maybe I should try another."

petronius

(26,616 posts)
20. That's certainly a key point - any feeding of wild bears (even just a
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jan 2015

poorly secured garbage can) is ill-advised and dangerous for people and bears. Bears I think are reasonably intelligent; if one came across something that was particularly scrumptious, it would probably remember...

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
84. I always feared the black bear more than the brown bear in Alaska
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:05 PM
Jan 2015

especially with the children. Brown bears are usually all about fish and almost always attack out of territoriality. Once they smacked you around enough to feel that the threat was neutralized, they usually leave. Black bears, while rare, will actually hunt humans for food. Hence the bear expert advice, if attacked by a brown bear, do not fight. If attacked by a black bear, fight for your life.

indie9197

(509 posts)
101. Good advice from what I have studied.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jan 2015

Interestingly, black bear mothers are not overly protective of her cubs like the brown bear is. It is almost always the male black bear that attacks humans. They definitely think of us as a food source. And from what I have read, the black bear that is making a ruckus in your campsite is not the one that will kill you. It is the one that is following you as you are walking down the trail!

petronius

(26,616 posts)
119. Perhaps I should have specified 'deep ocean'
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 01:17 PM
Feb 2015

Although I do think it would be funny to be dressed in my scuba gear and anchored near a local dive spot, I've gotten unanimous (and vehement) opposition to that idea...

Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Great! Now the bears will be looking for other people to feed them
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jan 2015

Conditioning bears to approach humans for food. What a wonderful idea!

FBaggins

(26,834 posts)
14. As Bill Bryson said... a bear won't attack you unless he's provoked
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jan 2015

The problem is, it's the bear that gets to decide when he's provoked.

You deciding that you're going to hold on to one hotdog from the pack after giving him seven of them... might just meet his definition.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
15. What a great experience to be able to get that close to a bear
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:32 PM
Jan 2015

But also how stupid it is too. Poor woman, what a terrible way to go. Those bears really blew their snack ticket. I had to laugh at the line in the story of how she needed to be warned not to feed bears. Duh!

csziggy

(34,141 posts)
21. Grizzly Bear Warning Sign
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jan 2015


Sign text reads:

Due to the frequency of human-bear encounters, the B.C. Fish and Wildlife Branch is advising hikers, hunters, fishermen and any persons that use the out of doors in a recreational or work related function to take extra precautions while in the field.

We advise the outdoorsman to wear little noisy bells on clothing so as to give advanced warning to any bears that might be close by so you don’t take them by surprise.

We also advise anyone using the out-f-doors to carry “Pepper Spray” with him is case of an encounter with a bear.

Outdoorsmen should also be on the watch for fresh bear activity, and be able to tell the difference between black bear feces and grizzly bear feces. Black bear feces is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear shit has bells in it and smells like pepper.
http://www.outdooroddities.com/2008/07/23/grizzly-bear-warning-sign/

frylock

(34,825 posts)
37. I use a bear bell when I ride my bike on the trails around my home in SoCal..
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 07:57 PM
Jan 2015

mostly to warn hikers and other riders that I'm mobbing down the trail, but it seems to work for bear as well, as I have yet to encounter one.

csziggy

(34,141 posts)
42. I should get a bear bell since I walk quietly outside
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:08 PM
Jan 2015

I've walked up on deer not even trying. Yesterday afternoon I went outside to pick up some stuff in the yard. There was a red fox over in the side yard - he didn't hear me or realize I was there and came past me. He never saw me until I moved and made a noise. Even then he just watched me to make sure I wasn't going to bother him.

But if I hike in bear territory - which includes our bottom thirty acres - I will need to learn to make more noise!

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
49. She is directly responsible for the death of every bear she ever fed,
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:39 AM
Jan 2015

Every bear she ever fed must be destroyed. No exceptions.

She killed every bear she ever fed because they will now expect to be fed whenever they encounter humans. They will eat the humans if the humans do not give them food.

She was a bear killer.

Her stupidity is immense.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. She just doomed a whole bunch of bears to being shot as well as getting her own fool ass killed.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jan 2015

I know I should have sympathy, but this is tragedy caused by deliberate, willful and reckless stupidity of the highest order.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. Why do people do this stupid shit? It's not a pet--it's a wild animal, with instincts.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:15 PM
Jan 2015

The bear didn't want treats of dog food and peanuts, the thing was starving and that well meaning but stupid woman looked like a meal in Wellies.

So clueless, and so disrespectful of the natural world. Not her problem anymore, that's for sure.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
34. That entire quote is something like this:
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jan 2015

"And the lion shall lay down with the lamb. And the lamb probably isn't going to get much sleep."

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
54. I heard a version that goes this way,
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 05:49 AM
Jan 2015

"And the lion shall lay down with the lamb. But the lion's the only one who's going to get back up."
I think it was Redd Foxx.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
28. It's possible she had a heart attack or stroke and died outside her home, making it
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:28 PM
Jan 2015

possible for the bears to find her and the rest is history.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
33. That's actually what I read
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:52 PM
Jan 2015

in our local paper.

Black bears are not like grizzlies.

Well, except they're bears lol!

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
40. During my time in Alaska
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jan 2015

I learned that in many ways black bears are more dangerous than grizz--for starters, they are not as shy of people, and--from our point of view--they don't look as dangerous.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
81. OMG, TwilightGardener!
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jan 2015


I'm sorry about laughing since this is a tragic event - more for the poor bears that she'd been feeding rather than the woman herself - but when I read your post I couldn't help it.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
30. what a shame, media makes 'bear feeder lady' famous instead of stopping the feedings.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jan 2015

This is why it's against the law to feed wildlife (except for birds)

To be attacked, bitten or outright killed happens plenty of times to people who think they have some type of 'special relationship' with wild animals.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
35. PSA: Park rangers at Kenneth Hahn State Park (Ladera Heights, CA) have told
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jan 2015

my wife and me that it's also not cool to feed the ducks and other water fowl on Gwen Moore Lake. Apparently, humans feeding the ducks causes them to forget how to feed themselves and may actually harm them nutritionally. We now scrupulously avoid feeding the ducks our stale bread. So I'd encourage DU to think twice before feeding wild waterfowl also. (Not knowing much about wildlife management, I willingly defer to the park authorities on this one without question.)

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
50. Feeding ducks bread can kill them.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:45 AM
Jan 2015

I own ducks. Most people don't know that bread can be lethal to them.

I see parents all the time with their kids and a bag of stale bread down at our town lake, feeding the ducks. They get really kinda angry and incredulous when I tell them the bread can kill them. Ducks love blueberries though, and those are quite healthy for them. There are many fruits they enjoy.

But bread can kill them...

http://www.duckrescuenetwork.org/duck_care.html

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
60. Well, the park rangers to whom we spoke were not quite that draconian. They said it's
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jan 2015

best if the ducks are compelled to 'forage,' rather than depend on visitors. IOW, not so much 'nutrition' as 'behavior.' But I had also sort of gathered what you are writing about here. My wife and I always play it by ear whether we are going to pass the word along to other park visitors. If there are little kids there, we usually won't make a big deal out of it but still try to spread the message.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
63. Gosh. I hope I don't sound "draconian". I'm usually pretty nice about it.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jan 2015

When kids are there, I try to tell the parents - not the kids. I let the parents handle it from there. But they don't like hearing it, and frequently just don't believe me.

I just feel bad for the ducks. Ducks are such sweet, sweet animals with tons of personality.

I wish it were posted better at lakes with suggestions for food alternatives, like fruit.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
66. Ah, shit, the fault was mine in not having had enough coffee before posting. You
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jan 2015

were most def not draconian. I meant the forest rangers never told us feeding them could kill them, just that it wasn't good for them.

The last time my wife and I were at Kenneth Hahn (a couple weeks ago), we noticed a sign posted on a tree saying "Don't feed the ducks." Problem is the sign was posted on a tree in a part of the path around the multi-level lake where there are no ducks (and no kids with bread feeding them). Even so, it was good to see the sign up now.

Agree with you that they are very sweet creatures. And a set of baby ducklings swimming in single file behind their mother -- we seem to get one set per year -- doesn't get much cuter than that!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,461 posts)
71. Yes, you did sound draconian
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jan 2015

Saying it's "lethal" and "can kill them" is pretty draconian. The link you provide says it's bad nutrition, and can get them to rely on food being given to them. Describing it as 'lethal' makes it sound as if a duck may drop dead within a few days of you giving them some bread. It's like saying fast food is 'lethal'.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
76. I said it "can kill them", and it can. If the link I provided doesn't clear it up, here are others:
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jan 2015

From the BBC:
"However, visitors are being warned not to feed white bread to ducks and swans as it could kill them. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/coventry/hi/people_and_places/nature/newsid_9124000/9124132.stm

From the City of Spokane:
"Technically, if you feed ducks bread, you are actually helping to kill them. "
https://www.spokanecity.org/services/articles/?ArticleID=1850

There are plenty of other sources for the same information. Bread can kill ducks. That's not draconian; it's a fact. It doesn't mean it will, but it can. It certainly makes them very sick.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
32. I was in Banff, Alberta many years ago.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jan 2015

It was elk rutting season, and the park officials had put up a HUGE sign warning tourists of the danger of approaching elk during this time (i.e. mating season). Elk are huge, aggressive and dangerous.

My wife and I had to stop and take a picture of the young couple trying to feed an elk RIGHT NEXT TO THE SIGN SAYING NOT TO.

We are so disconnected from nature on this continent. We think nature is just a big Disney theme park.

Beringia

(4,319 posts)
38. According to article, she had stopped feeding them after being told to stop 1 year ago
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:03 PM
Jan 2015


From comments on the article
This story is missing some information. According to what I have read from local sources thay have not been able to find out for sure if she was killed by bears or died from natural causes. Many of her friends said she had been very ill and think bears may have scavenged her body after she died. I guess there is just know way to know for sure. At any rate wild animals should never be fed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932606/Bear-Lady-North-Carolina-killed-bear-authorities-savaged-remains-woods.html#ixzz3QLvYQQSd

Kaleva

(36,466 posts)
74. She stopped feeding them last year which could have been just a month ago.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jan 2015

The bear or bears could have been expecting food and getting none, attacked her.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
39. The forest is not a petting zoo, you damn, dastardly dumb-asses.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jan 2015

She has doomed all the bears in the area to death, most likely.

People like that are horrid and ignorant.

Wild animals are not here for your pleasure.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
41. Werner Herzog from GRIZZLY MAN...
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jan 2015

"And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the bears that Treadwell ever filmed, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the bears. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food."

Beringia

(4,319 posts)
43. I think that Werzog probably does not have an affinity for animals
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:18 PM
Jan 2015

Many people don't. One person on DU actually said animals are nothing more than machines. I do feel there is much more to bears than just their instincts. Native Americans allied with them in spirit for help in healing, though they stayed away from them and respected to stay away from them.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
51. Hmmm...not sure that's what he meant by it.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:48 AM
Jan 2015

Herzog does not seem indifferent to animals or nature to me at all. Have you seen the movie "Where the Green Ants Dream"?

"Grizzly Man" is a very sad documentary. It still haunts me.

Beringia

(4,319 posts)
62. I have not seen the Green ants movie
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jan 2015

Maybe I will look it up. I like a lot of his work.

I did see Grizzly Man. I was afraid to at first, a story with a very bad ending, and him a recovered addict, but I finally did and enjoyed it very much. Treadwell had a good heart, he even felt sympathy with the bumble bee that died on the flower, and he was awed even by the bear poop. I felt bad that his girlfriend followed him into that dangerous landscape without any weapons. He did make a real friendship with the fox.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
65. You should definitely see Green Ants. I think it's one of his best. Set in Australia.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jan 2015

It's not really so much about animals as it is about the Aboriginals and their relationship to nature. Good movie.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
111. My God, that is just wonderful.
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 09:20 AM
Feb 2015

My wife does a the best Werner impersonation you've ever heard. She's going to love these.

2naSalit

(87,155 posts)
44. It's called Habituation...
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jan 2015

and it's not only stupid and dangerous for the humans, it's bad for the bears in so many ways.

I work in a NP during the summer and give bear safety talks three times a day to park visitors. The well worn cliche that is truth to fools is, "A fed bear is a DEAD bear."

Bears, as do other wild animals, learn tricks with treats. You give bears treats and they learn the trick that humans have food and sometimes the food is human.

There were probably a number of scavengers working on that carcass... er, cadaver if there's nothing left but bones and some inedible clothing. Black bears are more likely to kill and eat you than grizzlies but they are both known to eat people, we are made out of meat after all.

Regardless of whether she wanted to go that way or not, her stupidity will likely result in several bears being put down for becoming habituated. It's what happens when bears beat up or kill humans, or are suspected of doing so.

Looks like her ignorance will end up killing the bears she loved.

I find it really upsetting, for the bears' sake.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
46. Sadly, it was probably something else that did her in.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:25 AM
Jan 2015

And the bears are going to be blamed for it. Instead of just letting the bears live and checking for human remains in their innards, then letting them heal up and go, they will kill as many bears as they can, in true redneck ignorant fashion. I know the people of NC. What can I say? They are as predictable as a broken clock, only they aren't usually right even once a day, much less twice.

Personally, I don't despise the woman so much as I despise the rednecks who will use it as an excuse to be cruel to as many animals as they can. Why do you think so many species that were native to this continent are damn near extinct? It's because of that ignoramus vigilante animal cruelty.

Yes, call it misandry, but redneck men are chicken shits when it comes to wildlife and cats. I don't know what scares an NC redneck man more; a cat, a spider, or a bear. Probably the cat first, then the spider, then the bear. Out of the three, they only seem to think they are true men if they go after the one they can openly admit to being afraid of. Just to make the redneck women like them though, they will torture and abuse cats. It reminds me of the Paula Poundstone skit about the truckers that ride by and catcall women as they go by. It's like some redneck mating ritual. Be as cruel to animals as possible and dutch oven a redneck woman and you've won her heart for life. She'll take any abuse a redneck man dishes out for bonus points if he uses a flame thrower to kill a spider.

True, feeding the bears is not a good idea, because when you run out of food and they are hungry, you become dinner, but do the local yocals have to use it as an excuse to kill as many of a species as possible and be all proud of themselves for it? I mean really, come the fuck on. The ignorance and contempt for wildlife among so many in this area are way more offensive to me than a woman who liked to feed bears and was probably killed by any entirely different species of animal. Right, blame the bears and not the serial killer (there is AT LEAST one) that has been working NC for the past 20 years. Local papers won't talk about except one sheriff in Anson County who warned women to be safe and not get slaughtered by whoever is slashing up women in central and parts of eastern AND western NC.

Pardon me if I don't hate the woman who fed the bears as much as everyone else in this thread. I also didn't find it amusing when a boy in my teen years who was trying to "straighten me out" ran off the road to hit a cat ON PURPOSE because he knew I liked cats. He really thought that was going to "straighten me out" and make me like redneck men. Nope, didn't work. Killing as many animals as possible isn't going to change my mind about the redneck men in this area either, but this is a man's state and they will do whatever they damn well please. I'm just glad there are nice men here too, who are not ignorant and fearful of even a tiny little spider or a freaking kitten, for crying out loud. My step dad will not shut the fuck up about those "20 knives" a cat supposedly has, like non-polydactyl average house cats have a thumb on their hind feet. Shows how much he knows. I'm surprised he didn't try to kill my cats every time he saw them, with the amount of fear and ignorance he displayed about cats.

Any more, I think I just hate the entire human species for that superiority complex humans seem to have when it comes to bothering to learn anything about animals or having any respect for their right to exist in the wild. Does that make me a speciesist? I don't really care. Call me whatever names you want. I just don't hate the woman who fed the bears or think she deserved some kind of cruel punishment and to be laughed at when she died. I hate the assholes who will take it out on any and every bear they can fire a bullet, arrow, or bolt into after the fact.

RIP to the woman and a hearty FUCK YOU to the assholes who will take it out on all of any species they can kill in the bear family.



 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
48. She was a stupid fuck to feed the bears
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:32 AM
Jan 2015

She conditioned them.

That made them dangerous to all humans.

They must all be destroyed because of her stupidity.

She is directly responsible for the need to destroy bears who have been conditioned to expect food when encountering humans, which means they will attack humans who do not offer them food.

This stupid fuck is responsible for the deaths of many bears now, post mortem.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
52. Exactly. She destroyed their natural instinct to avoid humans.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:09 AM
Jan 2015

In doing this, she destroyed them as soon as she had shot them all herself.

Because of her, there are bears in the area that are a potential threat to children waiting at a bus stop because they smelled a bologna sandwich from a half mile away.

2naSalit

(87,155 posts)
53. Yup.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:10 AM
Jan 2015

That's how it is. It's really messed up and she is responsible for being so selfishly stupid.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
73. I've found that how a man regards cats is one of the most telling things you can find out.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jan 2015

I tell my daughter that if she ever meets a man she is considering dating and discovers he hates cats to not jog but RUN in the opposite direction as fast as she can. In my experience they are insecure hyper-masculine creeps with control issues. Men who love cats, on the other hand, are usually nicer, smarter, funnier, and more secure with themselves.

MH1

(17,663 posts)
92. I'll echo your hearty
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jan 2015

"FUCK YOU" to those same assholes.

Nothing pisses me off worse than someone who gets off on cruelty to animals.

JanMichael

(24,914 posts)
118. You "know" the "people of NC?" Wtf?
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 12:36 PM
Feb 2015

My wife has been here for the better part of 5 decades- she is 7th generation North Carolinian.

You are describing assholes, and they live all over the US.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
56. Wise words from Erma Bombeck
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 06:11 AM
Jan 2015

"Forget Disney. Not all bears have their own television show. Some are unemployed wild animals."

Vinca

(50,354 posts)
57. I can only imagine the peril the bears are in now.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 09:04 AM
Jan 2015

Given the area it wouldn't be surprising to have every bear in the state blown to bits.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
59. There is a saying in Press Relations that is meant to apply to celebrities and politicians:
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jan 2015

"The media is like a bear that comes to your door every morning looking for something to eat. The day you have nothing for it, it eats you."

An animal is not a human being in a costume. Every time you feed an animal you are training it -- you are training it to do whatever it did in the 3 seconds before it got fed. Hopefully the bad training this woman did to these bears doesn't get them or some other person killed.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
64. She fed the bears. What else is there to say?
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jan 2015

Ok, I'll say it. If she thought she was going to win the love and respect of all bears and wild animals by feeding them, she was projecting. When the wild animal gets hungry, it will eat food. If she runs out of food, she will become the food. These are not domesticated animals. It takes a very long time to breed domesticated animals.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
80. When they say, "do not feed the bears" this is why.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jan 2015

You get comfortable, you get careless, you just walk up to the wrong bear that day. Maybe he woke up on the wrong side of the cave or maybe that asshole Johnson two caves down stole his honey from a tree he was working on for days and now he is unbearable. Anyway, no matter what...do not ever feed wildlife like bears. All that encourages, is your death one day down the line.

And probably not a good one, you know - like dying while sleeping from old age. More like, getting eaten by a bear. Mostly likely, while still very much alive.

Do not feed the bears unless you are okay with one by chance eating you one day.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
82. Too many people out there haven't a clue
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jan 2015

about the vast difference between wild and domesticated animals. And even some domesticated animals aren't completely safe with humans: witness all the maulings and deaths from dogs (mostly pit bulls, but that's a different thread).

A while back I was watching a series on Netflix that was about people who owned various wild animals, including poisonous snakes and spiders, and almost every show was about how that person died at the hands of the animal (snake, spider, whatever).

When we lived in Boulder, CO, we'd often get deer in the back yard. My sons were quite young at the time, two and six, and I told them they must NEVER go in the back yard if there was a deer there. Fortunately, after a year we bought a house that had a high fence the deer couldn't jump over.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
83. We're supposed to be the intelligent animal species. What the heck was that woman thinking??
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jan 2015

Apparently, she wasn't.

Now I feel sorry for those bears that she'd been feeding as they seek out other humans for a treat and find themselves approaching them and possibly attacking and maiming/killing them which will result in their immediate extermination all because some stupid human thought it was "cute" to hand feed wild American apex-predators.

She should've known better. Darn. I can't stand stupid people - especially in this era of the Internet where information is readily available that warns against approaching any wild animal.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
112. See the Werner Herzog documentary "Grizzly Man".
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 09:35 AM
Feb 2015

A fascinating and disturbing documentary about a similar idiot.

Some people just don't fucking get it. Wild animals are not like your neighbor's dog or cat, which are the result of having been bred and domesticated by humans over thousands of years. Bears are NOT your friends!

Beringia

(4,319 posts)
95. Another thing I notice about the pictures
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 06:36 PM
Jan 2015

She is actually getting the bear to perform for her, not just feeding it. She holds it up high to where the bear cannot even reach it, instead of throwing it to the ground. More numbskullness IMO.
 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
105. while holding the bag of treats behind her back
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 08:33 PM
Jan 2015

I imagine bears will take the bag if they want to

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
97. In general, if you want to feed animals,
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 06:59 PM
Jan 2015

it's an excellent idea to stick to species that lack the ability to kill you. Ducks, for example.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
107. As noted above it is probably not even a really good idea to feed ducks.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jan 2015

at least not stale bread. Fills their tummies and zero the nutrients they need.

Maybe some duck feed especially if the pond is frozen over.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
113. Swans, in particular, can fuck you up.
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 09:52 AM
Feb 2015

That's no joke. People get their limbs broken by swans all the time. They're surprisingly fast and powerful, and they tend to get pissed off fairly easily.

 

rstanleyj2918ca

(8 posts)
103. RIP for the poor lady.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jan 2015

However, this should serve as an important lesson to not treat wild animals as if they're common pets.

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