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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:09 PM Jan 2015

DC Charter school teachers fired for teaching Black history

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Parents-Howard-Middle-School-Teachers-Fired-for-Teaching-Black-History-290400981.html

"Three social studies teachers at a D.C. public charter school were fired for teaching black history lessons beyond what’s in the curriculum, students’ parents told News4.

"It's about the history of who we are and where we came from,” said Michelle Payne, whose son is in the eighth grade at Howard University Middle School of Math and Science.

Parents say it is unacceptable for a school located on the campus of a historically black university to stifle African-American history lessons.

<snip>

News4 reached out to school administrators and the D.C. Public Charter School Board several times this week. They promised to release a statement.

Parents said they are also upset because the teachers were fired and escorted out of the building in front of the kids."

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DC Charter school teachers fired for teaching Black history (Original Post) Starry Messenger Jan 2015 OP
"teachers were fired and escorted out of the building in front of the kids." riversedge Jan 2015 #1
This is what happens when you PRIVATIZE education gopiscrap Jan 2015 #33
"ProfitShip Learning" Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #39
Howard University Middle School- Please sign & share the link for the petition for justice. Staceyw Mar 2015 #61
Charter Schools have one major objective: INDOCTRINATION olegramps Jan 2015 #42
I guess they'll get right on that shit after they finish putting up the sandbags. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #46
Appalling. Unless they did something to compromise safety, having them escorted out is awful. Shrike47 Jan 2015 #2
The principal brought the pink slips to teachers right in front of their kids. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #3
Wasn't that a Michelle Rhee trademark back in her heyday? Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #17
Yep, she did it in front of documentary cameras too. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #22
I don't think it's possible for mine to go any lower BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #47
Waiting to hear from LWolf Jan 2015 #4
Scooch over. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #7
Have you worked in DC schools? (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #10
I work in a unionized school where I can't be fired in front of my students. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #12
My question was, "have you worked in DC schools?" (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #15
Nope, why would I want to teach in a place where I could be fired for teaching? Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #20
Tutors aren't teachers? Recursion Jan 2015 #26
In front of classrooms? Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #30
May I join ... YvonneCa Jan 2015 #16
The poor kids. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #24
I have worked with some wonderful.. YvonneCa Jan 2015 #28
I'm lucky I've worked with wonderful principals. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #31
Yup. HappyMe Jan 2015 #25
Me, too... AwakeAtLast Jan 2015 #45
Heh, didn't take long for a couple of em to show. Lancero Feb 2015 #48
The teachers gave notice they were quitting... 4139 Jan 2015 #5
Politics LWolf Jan 2015 #11
Kick. madfloridian Jan 2015 #6
Hey, hey! Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #13
I think we ought to hear from the principal before judging LittleBlue Jan 2015 #8
This event occurred three days ago. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #9
The teachers were quitting anyway... 4139 Jan 2015 #14
That does not excuse unprofessional.. YvonneCa Jan 2015 #18
The parents are pissed at teachers being fired in front of the kids, while teaching Black history. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #19
I think it's shocking you are excusing firing teachers in front of students. madfloridian Jan 2015 #21
Sounds like the violation is more teaching off the approved curriculum FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #23
Those are all good questions. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #27
A charter school acting contrary to the interests of the community?!? Orrex Jan 2015 #29
With its own school board. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #32
Because they're non-profit organizations, I'm told. Orrex Jan 2015 #34
Oh, but yes! Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #36
One question I have... Archae Jan 2015 #35
The parents and students cited examples of Kwaanza and Black US politicians. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #38
Nothing wrong there. Archae Jan 2015 #40
I seriously doubt it. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #41
Marion Barry was the black US politician who was cited oberliner Feb 2015 #51
Well, he exists in history. Starry Messenger Feb 2015 #54
He does oberliner Feb 2015 #56
Point being, teachers were fired in front of the students Starry Messenger Feb 2015 #57
That is not true oberliner Feb 2015 #58
Did you read the story I posted? Starry Messenger Feb 2015 #59
Yes oberliner Feb 2015 #60
rule number one weissmam Jan 2015 #37
The principal is apparently also a CEO. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #43
History seems to be repeating itself W T F Jan 2015 #44
I don't like charter schools, I believe they are an attempt to destroy public education. kiva Feb 2015 #49
How do you think the CEO principal appeared to the kids? Oilwellian Feb 2015 #50
With the information we have, I think it was an unneccessary display of power. kiva Feb 2015 #55
Not even remotely oberliner Feb 2015 #52
That can't teach black history at HOWARD UNIVERSITY middle school ? underpants Feb 2015 #53

riversedge

(70,218 posts)
1. "teachers were fired and escorted out of the building in front of the kids."
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jan 2015

This is just beyond belief--that administrators would demean the teachers like this!


....News4 reached out to school administrators and the D.C. Public Charter School Board several times this week. They promised to release a statement.

Parents said they are also upset because the teachers were fired and escorted out of the building in front of the kids.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Parents-Howard-Middle-School-Teachers-Fired-for-Teaching-Black-History-290400981.html




gopiscrap

(23,760 posts)
33. This is what happens when you PRIVATIZE education
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jan 2015

and make no mistake charter is on the slippery slope to privatization..this has been a wet dream of just about every fucking Republican in the land. First of all they want their greedy hands on that big pile of cash and second, they want to control the conversation. Make this next generation ignorant so they can create two classes of society. If you teach in a private school or send your kids to one, you're part of the problem.

Staceyw

(1 post)
61. Howard University Middle School- Please sign & share the link for the petition for justice.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:23 PM
Mar 2015

Here's an update on the Howard University Middle School fiasco. Please click on the link below or cut and paste the link below for the full story and to sign the petition. Please share with your media outlets too so we can help to get justice for the students and the teachers. Thank you.

https://www.change.org/p/board-of-trustees-president-of-howard-university-immediate-resignation-of-howard-university-middle-school-administration?just_created=true

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
42. Charter Schools have one major objective: INDOCTRINATION
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jan 2015

This is the primary intent of the creeping movement to privatize primary education along with the destruction of unions. The end result will be teachers will have only one option; that is to teach what the 1% dictate. We used to think the Russians were hilarious with their scrubbing of history and ridiculous Pravda nonsense. Welcome to Orwell's brave new world of Big Brother.

Just consider the rapid influx of so-called fundamentalist Christian schools that are nothing more than indoctrination factories. I listened to some kids who were indoctrinated to accept every word in the Bible was the solemn word God and should be accepted without question. It was scary that they firmly believed in Creationism and their disregard for the scientific proof. How could even the minimally educated not look at the Grand Canon for example and not grasp the evidence before their eyes of the massive changes that the earth has undergone.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
2. Appalling. Unless they did something to compromise safety, having them escorted out is awful.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jan 2015

My already low opinion of charter schools is declining.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
3. The principal brought the pink slips to teachers right in front of their kids.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jan 2015

Students were interviewed after witnessing their teachers get fired right in front of them.

It's fucking awful.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
12. I work in a unionized school where I can't be fired in front of my students.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jan 2015

Especially for teaching Black history to Black students.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
20. Nope, why would I want to teach in a place where I could be fired for teaching?
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jan 2015

You were a tutor, correct? Not a teacher?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
30. In front of classrooms?
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jan 2015

All the tutors I am aware of work more one-on-one, and wouldn't be in a classroom full of kids. Or would be fired by the principal in front of 30 kids that they'd had all year. "Teacher" is a labor category with certain meaning.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
24. The poor kids.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jan 2015

There are reports that the principal could be "abrasive." How do mean people end up in administration? In charge of children? It baffles me.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
28. I have worked with some wonderful..
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jan 2015

...principals and some really lousy ones. It seems to me that the good ones get used up and taken for granted and the lousy ones get covered up for. That needs to change, IMHO.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
31. I'm lucky I've worked with wonderful principals.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jan 2015

I don't know how anyone could teach in an at-will situation with someone lousy. The job is stressful enough!

4139

(1,893 posts)
5. The teachers gave notice they were quitting...
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jan 2015

From wjla:

After all three of the school’s social studies teachers gave their two weeks’ notice last week, parents say the new principal, Angelicque Blackmon, confronted all three with pink slips Tuesday, in front of students. http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/01/howard-u-middle-school-parents-say-principal-fired-social-studies-instructors-for-teaching-black-his.html

Sounds like workplace politics

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
11. Politics
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jan 2015

which included being told not to teach Black history.

Refusing to comply with corrupt politics is called professional integrity.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
8. I think we ought to hear from the principal before judging
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jan 2015

I think the principal is a black woman, so I'd like to hear her side of the story before she's crucified

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
9. This event occurred three days ago.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jan 2015

Media outlets have reached out multiple times for statements. Journalism doesn't work like that. The lack of response in itself is newsworthy.

90% of the school is Black. The parents and students are very upset at the principal and have been unsatisfied with the school's response.

Eight classes now have subs because of teachers leaving in response to the firings.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
19. The parents are pissed at teachers being fired in front of the kids, while teaching Black history.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Sun Feb 1, 2015, 07:43 AM - Edit history (1)

I read all the stories about this, thanks. Whether they'd given notice is immaterial. "They got release sooner", is a stupid statement, imo.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
23. Sounds like the violation is more teaching off the approved curriculum
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jan 2015

Which brings up a few questions:

1) Is sticking to the curriculum part of their employment contract?

2) Has anyone violated that rule in say a science class and been disciplined?

3) Since they were quitting anyway, was this purposely done as a provocation to the principle?

4) When they say black history lessons, I wonder what was being taught. That's too vague to know.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
27. Those are all good questions.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jan 2015

So far the DC Public Charter School Board has not issued a statement. They are separate from the regular public school board, so perhaps they have greater latitude when dealing with the public that they are supposed to be serving.

Orrex

(63,210 posts)
29. A charter school acting contrary to the interests of the community?!?
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jan 2015

Say it ain't so!

Next, you'll tell me that they engage in selective student retention policies and value the bottom line above all else. Who* could have foreseen this?

*answer: anyone with open eyes.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
32. With its own school board.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jan 2015

That really baffles me. If they are part of the public school system, why do DC charter schools need their own school board? Members appointed by the Mayor.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
36. Oh, but yes!
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:35 PM
Jan 2015

Out here we have "Rocketship" taking over in some CA districts. Talk about a shell game...they use non-profit status to behave in every way like a corporation.

"How to Get Rich off Non-Profit Charter Schools" http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/24/1294428/-How-to-Get-Rich-off-Non-Profit-Charter-Schools

"Some of the worst conflicts of interest were found at the Rocketship charter chain, which uses a "€œblended learning"€ model to cut down on costs --€“ placing students in computer labs run by low-paid attendants for a significant part of the school day.

According to Lafer'€™s report, student achievement has not improved at Rocketship --€“ in fact, seven of its schools failed to achieve Adequate Yearly Progress in 2012-13. And, a Department of Education study showed that one of Rocketship'€™s key software programs, DreamBox, had "€œno discernible effects on mathematics achievement for elementary school students."

But Rocketship continues to use DreamBox software despite a lack of results. Lafer connects the dots: Two major investors in Rocketship, Reed Hastings and John Doerr, are also primary investors in the DreamBox software company.

Following the money is important when it comes to our tax dollars. When Wisconsin taxpayers fund charter operators to the tune of $7,925 per student, we expect the money to be used for the child'€™s education. At Rocketship, not only is the money going to for-profit software companies, it'€™s also being used to fund Rocketship's extensive growth plan in other states. Rocketship'€™s business plan states that the charter operator will pay "€œrelatively high facilities fees"€ to a sister company called LaunchPad, so that "€œthe profit margin will be used to finance new facilities."€

Do worse and suck down public funds--win-win. Why wouldn't everyone want this in their community? Why wouldn't you want the CEO of Netflix to de-facto run your schools? Whiner!

Archae

(46,327 posts)
35. One question I have...
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jan 2015

This "outside the curriculum," does that include what is called "Afro-Centrism?"

I've seen some "Afro-Centrism" stuff that the advocates wanted to teach, and it was pure garbage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrocentrism#Criticism

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
38. The parents and students cited examples of Kwaanza and Black US politicians.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jan 2015

Absent any statements from the school, it is hard to say, but randomly speculating about curriculum you dislike seems odd. Black History, when spoken of in an education context, generally means US Black history, Civil Rights movement, etc.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
51. Marion Barry was the black US politician who was cited
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 10:37 AM
Feb 2015

Sounds like a teacher may have gone off script with that one.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
56. He does
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 01:29 PM
Feb 2015

So does Alan Keyes.

Point being - if you are hired to teach a set curriculum, teach that curriculum.

If you want to have an after school discussion group about Marion Barry or Alan Keyes or whatever topic interests you, then go for it.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
57. Point being, teachers were fired in front of the students
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 01:35 PM
Feb 2015

and escorted out of the building by police.

These were social studies teachers, and the school has not yet issued any statement on what they felt was the justification for frogmarching teachers out of classrooms in front of the students.

You probably don't work in a school, but this is a highly inappropriate step to take and would only be done in a case where a teacher posed an immediate threat to students.

This wasn't that.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
58. That is not true
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 01:57 PM
Feb 2015

The article states "all three of the school’s social studies teachers gave their two weeks’ notice last week."

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
59. Did you read the story I posted?
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 02:44 PM
Feb 2015

Firing someone before their stated last day of notice is fired. Firing them in such a dramatic and unprofessional manner is unheard of.

Naturally, you're fine with this though, so we're through. Amazing what free speech you think is fine, and who's isn't.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
60. Yes
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 03:14 PM
Feb 2015

Just not sure that we have all the details here. For instance, there have as yet been no statements from the principal, the teachers, any of the school administration, etc.

It's just parents and students so far.

weissmam

(905 posts)
37. rule number one
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jan 2015

the moment you make something profit oriented , such as a charter school, the main focus becomes making a profit not teaching kids-period- remember they do not have to adhere to any standards or prove results

Charter schools -dumb idea that keeps giving and giving

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
43. The principal is apparently also a CEO.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jan 2015

No harm in running a business, but some people tend to think this is a skill-set that carries over well to running a school. Lord knows why. She has an interesting background, but perhaps not tailored to working with the public.

https://ilearnconcepts.com/dr-angelicque-tucker-blackmon/

kiva

(4,373 posts)
49. I don't like charter schools, I believe they are an attempt to destroy public education.
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 04:43 AM
Feb 2015

That said, please read the article...the principal who told the teachers to leave (they had already given notice so not sure if fired is the correct term) is African American. I seriously doubt that she looked much like the white policeman in the picture.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
50. How do you think the CEO principal appeared to the kids?
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 10:33 AM
Feb 2015

Do you think firing the teachers in front of the students is a professional thing to do? I believe that has been more of the issue throughout the thread. Although I will note, a part of Black History teaches how one group of people can destroy the dignity of another, and that's exactly what happened in front of these kids. Sad day for America.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
55. With the information we have, I think it was an unneccessary display of power.
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 01:28 PM
Feb 2015

The teachers had already given notice, and if the principal didn't want them to work out their two week notice she should have let them know privately and not made this scene in front of the students. I'm assuming that the teachers weren't a danger to the students, which would be the only reason I can imagine that this would be justifiable.

underpants

(182,803 posts)
53. That can't teach black history at HOWARD UNIVERSITY middle school ?
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 11:04 AM
Feb 2015

It, of course, should be taught everywhere and all year. Howard U is one if THE predominant historically black colleges in the entire country. Good grief!!

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