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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe newest eating disorder: Orthorexia
Jess, a West Coast resident who asked that her last name not be used, showed up at the dinner party with a bag of her own food: greens, fruit, a little Tupperware of chicken. She was just trying to eat really healthy, she said. Bread was out of the question, and she couldnt eat the beans in the soup, so that was off-limits, too.
Low-calorie, low-fat, sure. But food-restrictive eating, like Jesss, can be signs of orthorexia, an increasingly common form of disordered eating. Unlike anorexia, which addresses how much you eat, orthorexia is about what you eat. And nutritionists and psychologists say that theyre seeing it more often, especially in the face of restrictive food trends, like gluten-free, and growing information about where food comes from, and how its grown and processed.
Orthorexia isnt exactly new. Dr. Steven Bratman coined the term in 1997, but since then its been flitting on the fringes of formal diagnosis. Its been lumped in with other eating disorders, like avoidant/restrictive food intake disorder, or considered a form of OCD.
But recently theres been a rise in research about it, and theres a movement afoot to parse it out from other forms of disordered eating for inclusion in the American Psychiatric Associations Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, the bible of psychiatric disorders.
"The message in the past has mainly been about thinness but theres been a turn and its become more about cleanness and purity," says nutrition therapist Sondra Kronberg, who says that shes seeing it more frequently. "Those same people who struggle with compulsion and rigidity in their eating will take that cultural message to an extreme. It interferes with their quality of life."
Last summer orthorexia made news when widely read vegan food blogger Jordan Younger announced that shed been suffering from it, and that her hyper-restrictive diet had both made her sickshed stopped getting her period and had hormonal imbalancesand sent her into panic attacks in the grocery store. "I had known in the back of my mind for a while that I had developed many fears surrounding food, and it was clear to me that I was becoming more and more limited in what I was comfortable eating," she says. No two eating disorder cases are alike, but Younger is somewhat typical of whats seen as orthorexia. She says she has an "all or nothing" personality that made her prone to compulsive healthy eating, and that her heavy digital involvement made it even harder to break off. She said she became even more compulsive because she was posting everything she was eating, and comparing herself to other peoples Instagrams.
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Someone I know was borderline like this. He'd actually panic when our circle of friends would discuss places to have dinner.
randome
(34,845 posts)The best health tactic is to keep your body continually surprised so your immune system stays firing.
Restrict the hell out of chocolate and other pseudo-foods but don't exclude them completely.
At least that's my theory of what works best for me.
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ErikJ
(6,335 posts)is the only way to keep sane.
bananas
(27,509 posts)A Proposed Category for the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of Mental Disorders (DSM): Pervasive Labeling Disorder
David A. Levy
The purpose of this essay is to propose a new diagnostic category for inclusion in the
American Psychiatric Associations Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental
Disorders, better known as the DSM. As noted in a recent edition (American Psychiatric
Association, 1987), the DSM should be viewed as only one still frame in the ongoing
process of attempting to better understand mental disorders. The category proposed here
represents a significant contribution to the composition of the next still frame by focusing
on one of the most ubiquitous, yet least recognized, of all mental disorders.
409.00 Pervasive Labeling Disorder
Diagnostic Features
The essential features of this mental disorder are: (1) an uncontrollable impulse, drive, or
temptation to invent labels and to apply them to other people, (2) a repetitive pattern of
trying to fit people into preconceived categories, (3) an increasing sense of fear or
inadequacy before committing the act, (4) an experience of overwhelming triumph or
relief at the time of committing the act.
Manifestations of the disorder appear in many situations, but are especially likely
to occur when the person with Pervasive Labeling Disorder (PLD) feels uncomfortable
around other people. The person then spontaneously assigns a label to others, thus
viewing them as types, rather than as human beings. Because the disorder serves to
control other people and to keep them at a distance, it provides the person with the
temporary illusion of both superiority and safety.
Associated Features
People with PLD frequently display marked signs of arrogance, smugness, grandiosity,
and a sense of personal entitlement. They exhibit an especially condescending attitude
toward others who do not share this mental disorder.
These persons derive immense pride from inventing seemingly incisive and
articulate (yet ambiguous and indecipherable) pseudoscientific neologisms. When called
on to explain the precise meaning of these newly created labels, however, they typically
display peculiar speech characteristics and inappropriate communication patterns,
including: catatonic silence; stammering and cluttering; verbal perseveration on the label,
coupled with poverty of content of speech; and psychomotor agitation, such as engaging
in beard-stroking, head-shaking, or eye-rolling behaviors.
Persons with PLD operate under the fallacious belief that, by having named
something, they have therefore explained it. Research indicates that many persons with
PLD are exceptionally adept at seeing in other people the flaws they cannot see in
themselves
<snip>
Subtypes and Specifiers
409.01 With Narcissistic Personality Features. This category should be used for
the person with PLD whom you think has too much self-esteem.
409.02 With Codependent Personality Features. This category should be used
for the person with PLD whom you think has too much empathy.
409.03 With Histrionic Personality Features. This category should be used for
the person with PLD whom you think is too emotional.
409.04 With Schizoid Personality Features. This category should be used for
the person with PLD whom you think is not emotional enough.
409.05 With Neurotic Personality Features. This category should be used for
the person with PLD whom you think worries too much.
409.06 With Antisocial Personality Features. This category should be used for
the person with PLD whom you think doesnt worry enough.
409.07 With Borderline Personality Features. This category should be used
when the person with PLD is disliked intensely by others, especially unsuccessful
psychotherapists.
409.08 With Adult-Child-of-Alcoholic Personality Features. This category
should be used when the person with PLD came from parents who, in any way
whatsoever, did not satisfy each and every one of his or her needs as a child.
409.09 With Resistant Personality Features. This category should be used when
the person with PLD doesnt do what you want him or her to do.
409.10 With Cognitive Slippage Features. This category should be used for the
person with PLD whom you cant understand, but dont want to admit it.
409.11 With Transference Features. This category should be used for
psychotherapy patients with PLD who have any feelings whatsoever about their therapist.
409.12 With Countertransference Features. This category should be used for
psychotherapists with PLD who have any feelings whatsoever about their patients.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)but categories are necessary for recognizing and confronting real problems. There are abuses in every field, but identifying problems by name, as long as it helps to develop solutions--is not a bad thing.
longship
(40,416 posts)Your documentation undermines your argument, my friend.
Drops mike.
KT2000
(20,577 posts)they also become very boring since they talk about food and/or their bodies all the time. Their special diets are better and others who do not adhere to their beliefs are bad or ignorant people.
They likely lose relationships over their food issues.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)unfortunately I had to grow up with it. It wrecked my relationship with food.
A few years back I had to live with my parents for a few months. I couldn't believe that my mother had gotten WORSE. She was in a panic because they were going on a cruise in a month. She ate cabbage soup for dinner for the entire month. All her and my dad talked about every single day after work was what they ate, new recipes that adhered to their diet, how much they worked out, what exercises they did, what new work out programs they could try, how much weight had been lost, how measurements had changed...omg ad infinitum. I cooked chicken breasts with steamed veggies and rice one night and she wouldn't touch it because I used 1 tsp of olive oil for the chicken.
Her doctor has already told her she is underweight and her bone density is getting bad. She occasionally binges but is unbelievably restrictive in her eating day to day. And it's always a big part of conversation. I'm always careful about what I say around her, because she will turn it into a conversation about food and dieting. It IS boring.
When I was growing up at least Christmas and other holidays had the food restrictions relaxed...it was the only time of year we were allowed to enjoy 'rich' food, but my mother's food issues have now invaded those holidays. My mom doesn't make any traditional stuff she made when I was growing up because it's 'gross' and 'unhealthy'. She had turned Christmas dinner into a restrictive feast of steamed organic veggies (we did have a turkey though. She skipped the gravy). I think it's bad but my brother agrees with her, my father doesn't say anything (long story, but he has traditional holidays from his culture that my mom no longer celebrates with him because she can't 'handle the rich food'.) and no one listens to me because I'm fat, so clearly have no say in what should be on the table, because it would be gross and fattening. You are SO right, that's what my parents think - I'm bad and ignorant.
I've pulled back from my relationship with my parents over this issue. I don't want my kids to pick up anything they might say because that's not how I want my kids to think about food. It's too bad, really.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)My friend will only use coconut oil. I asked him "What about the Iceman from the Italian Alps. That fucker was a caveman and he did not eat any coconuts"....
Then they do their obsessive yoga or Crossfit and tell you how every exercise NOT yoga or Crossfit is inferior. He pays $70 to belong to the gym a month, then ANOTHER $170 to do Crossfit and yet another $70 for yoga.
Cults, cults, and more cults. It is what they are. Poor brainwashed souls who are getting duped so someone else can get rich.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)and if it's not crossfit or yoga, it's Spinning! So narcissistic.
bananas
(27,509 posts)but trying to avoid it is considered mental illness?
Data released in August 2013 in the American Journal of Public Health suggested that obesity's death toll on Americans is more than three times previous estimates and is associated with nearly one in five U.S. deaths. Using the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's number of 2.5 million mortalities in 2010, that comes to about half a million people annually.
But no one pays attention.
<snip>
Research has found that every person who isn't obese has a 2 percent chance of becoming obese within a year because of their sedentary lifestyle and access to unhealthy foods. But it has been estimated that this number rises by 0.5 percent for every obese person they socialize with, meaning that knowing just four obese people can double a person's risk of becoming obese.
Also, making up new words (neologisms like "orthorexia" is considered a sign of schizophrenia.
The new DSM is full of them.
Doctor, heal thyself!
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)It doesn't mean it's good for you to become so obsessive-compulsive about cleanliness and germs you can't leave your house because you feel contaminated and you think you might catch something. There are extremes on either side of the spectrum here. This is the extreme on the other end of the spectrum.
As other have said, it's not just trying to eat healthy and avoid junk - it's an obsession that interferes with every aspect of their lives. I know, because my mother is like that. I know the difference, because I have vegetarian and vegan friends and they don't obsess at all compared to my mother.
Your last paragraph is just bizarre.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Avoiding it by using some bullshit diet that actually claims cavemen only ate coconuts is stupid as hell. For example, the stupid Paleo diet which has NO medical substation and compare it to the Mediterranean Diet, which is PROVEN to be an exceptionally beneficial diet with proven medical benefits. In fact, it is routinely deemed the healthiest diet in the world every year by physicians, dietitians, etc,
Can you not see the difference between proven science a stupid fad?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)my fasting blood sugar has been creeping up over the years (first had gestational diabetes 19 years ago) and it's getting high enough now my doctor is concerned. So, I thought, let's have a look at Paleo.
LOL my first thought was yours too. Coconut oil? I'm sure my ice-age European ancestors ate that daily. It's a little too restrictive for me. I've done low carb before and I'll probably try that again, with less 'fake bread' stuff though and just more fresh food.
My mom is obsessive about exercise too, but it's funny - she looks down on people who 'need' the gym or classes (Even though she used to take them eons ago). She does it all herself, spends hours formulating her work out plans for the week, tracking how many repetitions of weights...etc. Classes are for people who don't know what they are doing. Amateurs.
*sigh* I agree though, lots of brainwashing (I swear, my mom looks just like Michelle Duggar talking about Jim-Bob, with that glazed look over her eyes when she talks about the newest cure-all fad diet and how great it is) but you know. Follow the money.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)to only eating fruit and then to taking out the seeds carefully and only drinking the juice so that he would not kill a living thing (or abort a baby tree) in order to eat. Thin as a rail. Don't know what his bone marrow was using to produce cells and essential proteins---probably his myocardium.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Almost all protein/meat, fruits and vegetables. No breads, only occasionally potatoes or rice/other grains. She's very thin, I will give her that. I don't see it making her unhappy. Makes her restaurant servers unhappy, tho. Holy substitutions, batman.
justabob
(3,069 posts)Reading through this thread all I could think about was how horrible this is to deal with as a waitress. I just came off an eight hour shift dealing with table after table after table who are these people.... I am not talking about 86 the tomatoes, mayo, whatever.... I mean psychotically modifying every single item they order..... sometimes it is impossible to translate what they want to computer and into the kitchen. It is madness.
Skittles
(153,156 posts)a friend of mine does that asking questions / ALWAYS substituting and it drives me nuts.......he doesn't seem to notice the wait person glancing around nervously at their other tables......I will tell him HURRY, THE WAITRESS / WAITER HAS OTHER TABLES YOU KNOW.....that annoys him but it sure seems to relieve the wait person
justabob
(3,069 posts)It really is a problem in restaurants. Thank you so much for being aware of the waiters' plight. We go out of our way to get customers what they want, and appreciate that people are sensitive to certain things, and want to be healthy, or whatever their motivation is, but there really are a lot of people who are simply a pain in the ass just to be cool.... or something. I don't know. (I know we live in the same metro area....I work in Highland Park.... you can imagine )
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)A few of the guests have eating "issues". I am trying to be sensitive to everyone's needs, however I am also worried about making things a drag on the guests who do not have food issues. I suppose I will just cook what I want and make sure that I have plenty of side dishes/appetizers that please those who can't eat meat, dairy, wheat, fat, etc.
On the other hand, I am kind of resentful about having to cater to the needs of people who IMO, decide to forgo certain foods just to be a pain in the ass. I can respect being a vegetarian and have no problems making concessions for that, but some of the other issues just seem to be about preferences. I don't do well with certain foods either, but I won't demand that a host not serve them.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)If they have a issues, they can bring their own food or shut up and smile, or not show up. This is why I don't have dinner parties.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I do like some of these people, but their eating issues annoy me. I am famous for cooking huge feasts anyway, so I will let them pick and choose what they want to eat. However, my main focus will be on those who are omnivores. The picky eaters will get whatever I feel like cooking at the last minute.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)And had 60 people. I had a variety of foods but didn't concern myself of others. My only concern was what was left after the party and what I had to eat for the next week. I only got food I liked but a huge variety. My only concern was not running out of food which I didn't. I didn't notice if anyone had trouble eating. Everyone seemed fine.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am annoyed, but at the same time I don't want anyone to go away hungry. So I will just cook tons of food to please everyone.
JI7
(89,248 posts)if people with restrictions can't even eat that then there isn't much you can do and they should just bring their own food.
or maybe even prepare some dishes that they can eat and bring them to you so others can have it also.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)There will be plenty of food to please even the pickiest of eaters. Sauteed veggies, salad, homemade garlic bread, veg appetizers should fill them up. I have that Italian Grandmother gene in me that won't let anyone go away hungry!
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Group dinners. Instead, I invite them to separate meals on another occasion, where I prepare food to suit their restrictions. I can make delicious food for almost any restricted diet, but I'm not interested in restricting the diet of the group for one person.
That has been my practice since the 70s. It works just fine.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)February birthdays, so I can't really un-invite people. I think they will make do with a side of salad and vegetables while the main celebrants get the benefit of my gourmet cooking. I do try to make everyone happy. Nobody will go away hungry, that is for sure.
It just kind of annoys me that there seem to be so many people these days that can't eat a basic meal. BTW, planning on cooking chicken parmesan, baked shells, sauteed broccolini, salad, garlic bread and plenty of apps. Tiramisu for dessert. Thanks for your post!
MH1
(17,600 posts)It might depend what the source of the issue is. Certainly, no one should demand that a host not serve something, unless it is a case of severe allergy where even being in the same room is a problem (like a small percentage of people have with peanuts, for example). If someone is a vegetarian and doesn't like to see dead animal flesh on the table, that's really just tough shit. Unless you are really trying to cultivate / improve your relationship with that person - then you need to decide whether the relationship matters more than what you preferred to serve. (I am not now a vegetarian, but have been in the past. The residual effect is that I don't understand what is the problem with NOT serving meat once in a while. But I NEVER expected people to not serve meat around me, just because I wouldn't eat it. That would be ridiculous, IMO.)
Anyway, for middle ground - if you can find recipes that really can't offend anyone, and are tasty, why not be sure to have a good size dish of one or two of those? Of the restrictions you mentioned, most veggie dishes (leave out the cheese, please) would work. You didn't mention nut allergies, so a simple green beans with almonds should work. Something with sweet potatoes for more filling ...oops, no diabetics, I hope?
But the point is, you were right in the first place - just serve a variety, and expect different people will fill their plates with what they want, and not everyone will eat a little of everything. I've been to events where I only eat about two different things of what is offered, because everything else looked like it would be awful for my digestion. And that's ok. But please also be aware, as I mentioned elsewhere on this thread, it is NOT always "just personal preference". I've had to cut A LOT of stuff from my diet that I actually LIKE the eating part of, because my system has decided it doesn't like the digesting part very much. If someone is excluding certain products from their diet, it is for one of two reasons: a) they're anorexic and this is just a strategy to avoid eating, as someone else mentioned; or b) they really have an issue and are trying to figure out how to prevent it, and rightly or wrongly, have decided this particular thing is something they need to avoid.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)I do a DIY taco/burrito bar. I have flour and corn tortillas to accommodate glutten-free, black beans (in addition to) meat to accommodate the vegetarians, and all of the fixings on the side (if you don't eat dairy, then skip the sour cream and cheese) so people can take and leave as they please.
Easiest way to feed a crowd with multiple diet restrictions and it's usually pretty successful.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)Beforehand I was told that it had to be: vegan, gluten free, no peanuts or tree nuts, no sugar, organic, no berries, no onions, no mushrooms, and no cruciferous vegetables.
I just didn't go to the potluck. At that point, even taking veggies isn't really worth it.
I am reaching an age when I just don't go anywhere in order to avoid this kind of stuff.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I even see gluten-free beers on drink menus now.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)They used to just tell everyone they had IBS. Celiac disease is an actual disease, and those who have it should refrain from eating gluten. Of course, the attention hounds (aka hipsters) then jumped on the gluten-free bandwagon and made it difficult for those who actually suffer from it.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)One percent of the US population has the gene that causes it; 1 out of every 133 people.
If you went with what you hear, you'd think it was 1 out of every 3 people.
I feel for the people who really do suffer from it - and want to smack the rest.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)There has been no explosion of celiac disease. It remains uncommon. But millions of idiots are convinced gluten has something to do with their bowel health anyway.
First world problems extraordinaire.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Some of us do have diagnosed celiac disease, and let me tell you - we don't LIKE living like this. Something as small as a kitchen making a ceasar salad "gluten free" by removing the croutons that were sprinkled on it can make me swell and be sick for days. It is really lonely. I used to meet friends several times a month to try the newest/latest restaurants in town, but because inadvertent wheat can trigger a reaction, it was embarrassing and uncomfortable to eat out. While I feel TONS better, I really, really miss that.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)exempted people with diagnosed celiac disease from my criticism.
The pretender hypochondriacs who self-diagnose are damaging actual sufferers of this relatively rare condition, by trivializing it.
Gluten is utterly harmless if you are not in this tiny group.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)What these "hypochondriacs" did was awaken marketing departments. While I prefer to make my own food, I don't always have the time or means of keeping it hot/cold until lunch. In recent years, my local groceries have opened massive gluten free sections of their stores where I can pop in and pick up something shelf or frozen, and ready-to-eat when in a rush. Hanover's new GF pretzels taste even better than their originals! That was unheard of just 3 years or so ago. It really helps when in a time crunch and the tummy is rumbling. If it wasn't for the fad, no one would have made the investment.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I wish I were joking.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I dealt with this when I worked for Wild Oats/Whole Foods. I was a butcher for them, then a graphic designer. I preferred the design job. Kept me off the floor away from the quacks.
There was a HUGE autism support group (read: anti-vaxx moms with autistic children in an echo chamber) that met and shopped once a week. Nutty fucking people. Even had some asking if the cows and chickens were fed a gluten free diet.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)And I answered the crazy email inquiries. Oooooh boy, do I have stories.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)I've struggled with binge eating and obesity all my life.
Been "clean" now for over a year. 130+ pounds lost. Strict calorie limit of 1500 a day.
randome
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I have Orthorexia?
Monsanto approves!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Great cover for Big Ag, the chemical additives companies, herbicide fungicide and pesticide manufacturers, and GMO makers.
I can guarantee the rich do not eat the shit they are feeding us.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Wow what a joke.
Can't even choose the kind of food you want to eat now without being labeled a nutcase!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Anybody who promotes a healthy eating lifestyle here are labelled by some as Fundie Xtians. They protect the toxic mega food corporations with every shred of their beings.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Who has contributed to making people paranoid about what they eat? The food industry. Who gave us everything from Roundup to HFCS?
There are clear reasons for the development of food fear.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)use. Cult diet on steroids. How convenient for the ruling elite!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)yes I get the analogy. Jerking the strings. Like they do with everything else.
The whole non-fat thing is a big scam, and some would say detrimental to health. We need some of the right kind of fats but not NO fats. My 95 lb mother in law has eaten no-fat products for years, tho she is in relatively good health. She's convinced it's healthier, bought all the hype. This is insane.
KT2000
(20,577 posts)It involves much more than that. The person's life revolves around their eating issues. It dominates their interests and conversation with others. They may judge others based upon their own eating standards. It is way beyond being an informed consumer.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)eat more protein and less carbs. She has started having an unhealthy obsession with big people who say they are healthy. She is convinced no one can be big and healthy and is always saying negative things about people like this. I tell her that it is more complicated than what she understands. The people out there that are morbidly obese, eating nothing but junk, not exercising and claiming this is healthy are the minority. Most people, big or small, understand that working towards a goal of eating better and exercising more is the right thing to do. I tell her that there are dozens of reasons for being big and for eating the wrong things such as medical conditions or mental health issues such as depression or trauma. We need to treat all people with compassion, not judgement. I hope she will understand this someday, and I hope her obsession with these people is not somehow related to how she feels about herself.
KT2000
(20,577 posts)"healthy diets" are under one's control so they assume a person who is big or unhealthy has no control. Like you say, it is more complicated than that.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)And using a vegan's anecdotal story of not getting her period has everything to do with not doing a vegan diet correctly and not a damn thing to do with being concerned with "where food comes from, and how its grown and processed".
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)---
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)It's like with anything, taken to the extreme, that severely impacts a persons daily life and interactions with others.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I learned not to be insulted when she wouldn't eat the food I had prepared.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)every other person in L.A. So boring. I eat whatever the hell I want. It's liberating.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Disruption of the systematic functioning of society is a personal choice. Let them eat and digest that which suits them and harms none.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)The poster was hosting a dinner party for their partner's boss and spouse and two others from work-here's a list of restrictions:
- vegetarian (but not vegan)
- no gluten
- no onions, garlic, leeks, or chives
- no soy
- no eggs
- no corn
Now that is a forum for people who know food-and most of them were stumped.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/115750044
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)on my headstone installer job. My workmates always eat out, burgers, fries and shakes and I bring some carrots, sunflower seeds, a grapefruit and something meat for protein. I prefer leaner cold cuts and pepperoni because I feel there is no chance it could have e-coli or salmonella.
If I ate like those guys I would be dead or 100 lbs heavier. Sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands, I don't see this as a psychological disorder but on the other hand, I don't have panic attacks at the grocery.
Very interesting thread topic!
Silent3
(15,210 posts)If you're serious about maintaining weight and health, you certainly can't "go along to get along" nearly every single day at work. Bringing your own healthy food to work to avoid an alternative of fast food every work day is not orthorexia.
If you can't let go a little, however, for the occasional social event... then maybe you've got a problem.
And I say this as someone who has a hard time letting go like that myself. It's not that I'm such an absolute purist about what I eat. It's more a matter of being a bit selfish and/or a bit of a control freak about how and when I indulge myself if I'm going to indulge myself at all.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Do you?
I am sorry but as a grandson of an italian butcher from the alps, you just made my day. You do realize pepperoni is raw meat, right?
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)That a pepperoni is a little pepper.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I have my finnochiona curing in the cantina right now. We made 100 lbs two weeks ago.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)It says pepperoni and its cured. Made by Hormel, Armour and others. I love that Columbus Italian salami made in California but its heavy on the anise spice.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)like american pepperoni, it is constant battle between good bacteria vs. bad bacteria. Cured meat is raw. Those of us who make it depend on bacteria to change its chemical properties. Temperature, humidity, and hygenic practices must be monitored closely. Pregnant women and people with compromised immune systems should NEVER eat cured meat products.
Don't get me wrong, it can be done safely (I do it all the time) but it is not safe like you seem to think. It is a food with lots of potential for spoilage bacteria.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)I had the wrong impression then and don't understand the curing process very well. Thanks.
JI7
(89,248 posts)organic or else they can't eat the salad .
pansypoo53219
(20,974 posts)3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)...gluten intolerant. She seemed to thinks everyone else must be too, and would speak the word carbs with such venom that it sounded like profanity. She talked about what a bad mother she had been because she had given her daughters bagels when they were little girls. She pronounced ba-a-a-a-agels with such horror and disdain that you would have thought she'd fed her kids dog excrement.
After 5 years of using a variety of fitness techniques, she went for the Cross Fit trend, offering the standard explanation that all the techniques and movements used were based on and useful in your everyday life. I am 63 and had a hip replacement about 18 months ago. There are certain movements my ortho guy insists I not do so as not to dislocate my bionic body part. Chief among those moves is really deep squats, which are a mainstay in Cross Fit. I had to modify about 50% of the exercises. I decided to go elsewhere after a class in which we were asked to do inverted push ups - get into a handstand posture with feet against a wall, and do upside down push ups. I decided that if were in a situation where my life could be saved by doing an inverted push up, I would accept the fact that I'd be toast.
ananda
(28,858 posts)Sounds like mental health and big pharma
have found a new pseudo condition to treat.
Silent3
(15,210 posts)...not actual healthy eating.
Too many people have convinced themselves base on too little evidence that being free of this and free of that is the secret to health, running around scared that the world is full of "toxins" which only be escaped by following an increasingly restrictive and selective diet.
For those predisposed to compulsive behavior and obsessed with "purity" issues, this sort of eating issue is going to get out of control the same way some people get so scared of germs they wash their hands over and over until their hands bleed.
flvegan
(64,407 posts)I missed the part about Bratman's nutritional degree. I'm sure it's out there and this isn't about making money. Again.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Nobody is saying that healthful eating is a disease.
But there's definitely a strategy in eating disordered people to narrow their list of "safe foods" with new rules, or to adopt diets and trendy concerns as excuses (for others and themselves) for why they're not eating.
If you're eating a healthy amount of a varied diet, you're not engaged in disordered eating.
That said I don't think this is a new condition, it's a well known tactic of anorexics.
marions ghost
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bananas
(27,509 posts)Doctor, heal thyself!
Maybe "psychiatrist" should be added as a mental illness to the DSM as well.
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marions ghost
(19,841 posts)at record levels in America. Food obsession is often associated.
Extreme pickiness in all behaviors--natural in a culture that focuses on having the "right" thing at all times. At the extreme, food obsession is a symptom of some other disorder or debility. But food is basic. If you don't trust your food supply, humans get weird. So part of the blame falls on the food industry cranking out unhealthy adulterated trash.
In general we have been turned into a nation of hyper-critical, untrusting (often for good reason), never-satisfied, constantly seeking bots. A situation which makes money for a lot of people. Food is just one category where this insanity manifests.
MH1
(17,600 posts)Okay, is there a name for "hosts who think serving healthy food alternatives will kill them"?
There are people who seem to not even comprehend what a vegetable is, let alone how to serve a healthy portion of those as part of their meal plan. Slather on the cheese and gravy! May work for someone whose digestive system is accustomed to only consuming cheese, fat, and red meat; but when a person who is used to eating a high fiber diet is put in the position of consuming constipation-inducing garbage for several meals in a row - or for some people, even one meal - the results can be, er, unpleasant. Being aware of this pending unpleasantness and attempting to prevent it by bringing one's own fiber should be considered wise, not a disease.
JMHO. As someone who physically cannot handle a low-fiber diet for more than one meal (if that), I appreciate your consideration. (although, my solution personally is to bring supplements and muddle through. But a salad never tastes so good as when I escape from one of those events.)
madville
(7,410 posts)But it's easy and takes little effort. I stick to meat, eggs, cheeses, most vegetables, nuts, olive oil and a few fruits. I stay away from processed meats, dairy (except cheese), gluten, rice, and sugar. I can eat everything with no problems but mainly just try to limit the carbs so I maintain my weight.
I give myself one cheat day a month though and it's today. So far I've had three corn dogs and going to do a pizza later
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)What should be done with these Woobats?!?
Freddie
(9,265 posts)And becoming totally obsessed with one's food intake, especially when making others miserable and/or uncomfortable while doing so.
My brother eats "no carbs". So when he visits from a couple hours away (which was often in the past few years dealing with the final illnesses and deaths of our elderly parents) we can only go to restaurants that will accommodate him. That isn't really hard but the lectures are worse, every meal.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... who will take any idea to an unhealthy extreme. This just sounds to me like a variation of obsessive-compulsive disorder.