I guess we're going to start another war

[Ramses]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/politics/us-ukraine-lethal-aid/

[Donald Ian Rankin]

1. That war is already ongoing.

The USA may be going to get involved in it, but that's a very different thing from starting a war where previously there was peace.

[Man from Pickens]

7. we did start it

So really the thing to argue over here is the tense. We're not "going to start" a war in the Ukraine - we already started it.

Also, we're losing it. Which is why we're going to toss even more money into a black hole by stepping up the arms trafficking. Which won't help, since we simply don't have the power to force the issue and the facts on the ground are all bad for the Western policy.

The most anti-Russian policy which actually has a prayer in hell of succeeding would be a scorched-earth one, feeding the war in Ukraine until there's nothing left worth reclaiming. That will only cost a few million lives, but hey if it sticks Putin in the eye then it's worth it, right?

[KamaAina]

2. Well, it has been a while.

[Cleita]

3. It seems inevitable that there will be more war and more involvement by us.

It makes me sick.

[Ramses]

8. Im sure CIA assets have been in Ukraine for a while

If we are going to openly start war on Russia's doorstep, the US will be in for a rude suprise. We wont be able to bully and kill with impunity like we have done many times before.

[Cleita]

10. I don't think we will have a war with Russia head on no more than we did Post WWII.

We will have a cold war with them. It's already started. The hot war will be continued in the Middle East with us supposedly backing up whatever tribal sector is convenient for us and the Russians doing the same. In this way we will have a war with them but not head on.

[NYC_SKP]

4. There are no new wars, this will be a continuation of a war begun, really, before WW1 and WW2.

It's a war of resources and influence, and the scale increases as our technology allows.

It's not a new war, it's a mix of generations old conflicts that only become more entrenched and awesome in their ability to devastate.

There's only one end.

[Octafish]

5. Basically for Oil and the rest of the PNAC litany of reasons to kill innocent people.

Message from Condoleezza Rice to Ukraine:

"The World is Watching You"

Katya Soldak
Forbes, 9/19/2012

Recently, Condoleezza Rice, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Gordon Brown, Ukrainian president Victor Yanukovych and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan congregated at Livadia Palace in Southern Ukraine, the summer retreat of the last Russian tsar, Nicolas II—a Renaissance style building on the top of a hill, with the Black Sea rolling below. The same place as where Theodore Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Joseph Stalin met at their famed Yalta conference of 1945.

The difference is that back then the rulers of the powerful countries met to make real decisions about the world’s future. This past weekend, Rice, and other guests of the 9th annual Yalta European Strategy meeting came to share their thoughts about the world’s challenges. Discussions today could influence policymakers and lead to making tomorrow’s decisions.

Among the matters discussed were the economic future of Europe and the role of the United States in dealing with economic and political issues of today. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian theme continued throughout the two-day conference. The government imprisoned former prime minister and opposition leader, Yulia Tymoshenko, and this has drawn criticism by the West; Ukraine tightens conditions for independent media and freedom of speech; the parliamentary elections coming up this October have already caused concerns among democratic observers on the subject of fairness and transparency.

Condoleezza Rice made it clear in her speech that the world is interested in Ukraine and is carefully watching all its developments: “Country like Ukraine with consolidation of democracy is watched carefully,” she said. Rice emphasized the importance of freedom of speech and free elections. “If Ukraine speaks in one voice, this voice would be heard.”

SNIP...

Indeed, the 9th annual Yalta conference – by many opinions, one of the best international platforms for discussions among high-profile politicians and innovative thinkers – is organized by Ukrainian billionaire Victor Pinchuk’s foundation and is taking place in Ukraine at a time when European leaders have recently boycotted the Euro 2012 soccer championship over Tymoshenko’s arrest and detainment. The fact that American politicians like Condoleezza Rice and Britain’s Gordon Brown attended, can’t be attributed to good relationships between Ukrainian and Western governments.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasoldak/2012/09/19/message-from-condoleezza-rice-to-ukraine-the-world-is-watching-you/

In retrospect, it appears the PNAC Neocons -- the axis of Wall Street and Secret Government -- have stayed on top the entire time. And, like their ilk did to Iran in 1953, the Ukraine Operation will not benefit the American people as a whole. It will benefit the owners of Big Oil and Condoleeza Rice.

[2naSalit]

12. +1

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

6. I always said I wished the W administration had been straight about one of the reasons

we were invading Iraq.

Oil

The other he could never admit, political power so he could destroy Social Security, but just tell us that oil is important, wars over natural resources are nothing new, then we could decide who did and did not want to DIE for oil.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

9. By next year, Ukraine will have sold all of the arms to IS

We always arm the terrorists!

Go America #1!!!

[Blue_Tires]

11. Uh, Moscow already started this war last summer

where has your ass been?

[Nye Bevan]

13. Amazing. You really don't know about the ongoing war in Ukraine? (nt)