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Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:17 AM

 

Hard Choices: Hillary Clinton Admits Role in Honduran Coup Aftermath

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/09/30/hard-choices-hillary-clinton-admits-role-honduran-coup-aftermath




In a recent op-ed in The Washington Post, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a review of Henry Kissinger’s latest book, “World Order,” to lay out her vision for “sustaining America’s leadership in the world.” In the midst of numerous global crises, she called for return to a foreign policy with purpose, strategy and pragmatism. She also highlighted some of these policy choices in her memoir “Hard Choices” and how they contributed to the challenges that Barack Obama’s administration now faces.

The chapter on Latin America, particularly the section on Honduras, a major source of the child migrants currently pouring into the United States, has gone largely unnoticed. In letters to Clinton and her successor, John Kerry, more than 100 members of Congress have repeatedly warned about the deteriorating security situation in Honduras, especially since the 2009 military coup that ousted the country’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. As Honduran scholar Dana Frank points out in Foreign Affairs, the U.S.-backed post-coup government “rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries,” opening the door for further “violence and anarchy.”


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Reply Hard Choices: Hillary Clinton Admits Role in Honduran Coup Aftermath (Original post)
Ramses Feb 2015 OP
AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #1
Ramses Feb 2015 #3
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #26
Ramses Feb 2015 #27
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #29
Ramses Feb 2015 #31
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #35
NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #56
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NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #58
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #52
ND-Dem Feb 2015 #9
Ramses Feb 2015 #10
TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #16
Ramses Feb 2015 #47
nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #23
Ramses Feb 2015 #24
nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #25
SidDithers Feb 2015 #43
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #53
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #55
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #28
Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #2
Ramses Feb 2015 #4
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #54
JDPriestly Feb 2015 #5
Ramses Feb 2015 #7
DLnyc Feb 2015 #11
tech3149 Feb 2015 #14
Ramses Feb 2015 #32
reddread Feb 2015 #15
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #20
woo me with science Feb 2015 #51
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #36
aspirant Feb 2015 #6
Ramses Feb 2015 #8
Scuba Feb 2015 #12
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #13
Ramses Feb 2015 #17
bigwillq Feb 2015 #18
Ramses Feb 2015 #21
bigwillq Feb 2015 #22
DerekG Feb 2015 #19
Ramses Feb 2015 #39
olddots Feb 2015 #30
Ramses Feb 2015 #33
olddots Feb 2015 #34
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #37
Ramses Feb 2015 #38
Agschmid Feb 2015 #40
Ramses Feb 2015 #41
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #45
LittleBlue Feb 2015 #42
Ramses Feb 2015 #44
woo me with science Feb 2015 #46
Vattel Feb 2015 #48
Ramses Feb 2015 #49
Vattel Feb 2015 #50
cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #59

Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:20 AM

1. She facilitated the rightwing coup & its bloody aftermath.

 

Boo! Hiss!

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:27 AM

3. Yes she did

 

We dont need someone who is deceptive and phony as our candidate. I hope Sanders runs.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:05 AM

26. If Elizabeth doesn't run, I think it's a given Bernie jumps in. President Sanders has a nice ring to it.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:08 AM

27. I could support Sanders in the general

 

Although Warren's rhetoric is good, her background concerns me. Id like to know more about the recent meeting between Warren and Clinton, and I think it would disappoint a lot of people here. But I could support Sanders for sure. Sanders would make the republicans heads explode and they would have no good answer at all to his ideas. He is a smart guy.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:12 AM

29. I agree w/ u Ramses. But whatabout the meeting between Elizabeth & Hillary u think wud disappoint?

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:16 AM

31. I think Warren has been told things that she should support Clinton

 

under duress. Or she was possibly offered a future Cabinet post for her support. Warren would be making a big mistake to join up with Hillary for political favors. If she does, it wouldnt surprise me and any support I might have had for Warren would go out the window. She has said she is not running, but she should stay in the Senate where she would be a strong voice. I feel Hillary is trying to neuter her voice by offering some token post or using political coersion to make her throw her support behind Hillary.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:39 AM

35. Gotcha. Yeah, I would 2 wud lose some respect 4 Elizabeth if she sells out her principles 2 Hillary, but I don't expect that 2 happen.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:43 AM

56. I don't know, it might have been a very very strongly worded message sent to her.

 

There might have been some mention of significant potential consequences for not staying in her place.

I wish I was joking.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #56)

Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:49 AM

57. I wouldn't be surprised. For Hillary, "the bloom is off the rose," and her ability to use such strong arm tactics may finally be comin to an end. Thankfully.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #57)

Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:51 AM

58. .

 

"You can continue to have a career in politics, or you can interfere."

That's how politics works, often.

I don't dare be more specific than that.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:06 AM

52. BHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA...

 

OMG some people's world view is hilarious...glad I don't live in your dark little world....

And to think I was about to change my sigline....

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:26 AM

9. Because zelaya was too close to chavez, among other reasons.

 

Colonel Inestroza also commented that Zelaya's allegiance to Hugo Chávez was hard to stomach and "It would be difficult for us, with our training, to have a relationship with a leftist government..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:35 AM

10. Hillary's foreign policy should be put front and center here

 

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Response to Ramses (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:40 AM

16. You'd think since this is the centerpiece of her "most experienced candidate" evah rationale.

I'm saying her experience is not very confidence inspiring regardless of volume.

It would seem like this kind "experience" would be the end of the road rather than a resume stuffer to me.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 10:31 PM

47. They are proud of this stuff

 

If American people knew the full extent of our murderous foreign policies spanning decades, there would be an uprising.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:22 AM

23. + the population of Honduras

Excellent post. Thanks.

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:31 AM

24. Careful, I posted the same exact photo a while back

 

and it got my post hidden. I guess the truth about who Hillary is, is too much for some folks here. Hillary praised Henry Kissinger, and I got my post hidden. Speaks volumes of who really is in charge and how tightly controlled propaganda is on the internet. Let alone the bought off news media in this country. They already have that wrapped up.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:36 AM

25. Thanks for the advice

I'm not afraid. They can hide our posts and we just come back stronger. They have no clue about who they're dealing with.

Bring it, fake liberals.

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:17 PM

43. "we just come back stronger."...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #43)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:10 AM

53. I know.....hilarious isn't it...

 

Prepare for the zombie invasion....

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #43)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:13 AM

55. Oh my...ZOMBIE ATTACK!

 

get the plastic sheeting and duct tap Sid!!!

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:08 AM

28. That picture makes me wanna hurl. Hillary and Henry, two peas in a pod. Ready for Bernie!

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:24 AM

2. She's a neo-lib.

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:28 AM

4. yep.

 

They cant shut all of us up. Too many millions of Americans know the game is rigged and will speak up about it.Whether here or on other websites or in public, or dozens of other venues to have our voices heard

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Response to Ramses (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:11 AM

54. too many millions........

 

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:10 AM

5. Another example of Hillary Clinton's bad judgment.

What a tragic mistake Hillary made with regard to Honduras.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:12 AM

7. It was not a mistake

 

She fully supported the Honduran coup. She also supports the murderous violence that is now Libya. She voted for the IRW based on lies. Its a pattern of deception with Hillary.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:25 AM

11. I have to agree with you

I don't think she really makes mistakes. I admire her toughness, but I disagree on a very fundamental level with her politics.

What her State Department did in Honduras is profoundly wrong, in my opinion. And it is extremely difficult to imagine that it was done with other than cool and informed intent.

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Response to DLnyc (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:07 AM

14. Therin lies the problem

She may be tough and very deliberate but that is of no value if you are consistently wrong.
I voted for Obama as an alternative to that which was unthinkable and will probably vote for Clinton on the same basis. If that's the best we can hope for we are truly screwn.

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Response to DLnyc (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:20 AM

32. She knew exactly what she was doing

 

And that's what is disturbing. Hillary isn't a dummy. She's very intelligent. She knows exactly what she is doing, which should concern thinking Americans everywhere

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Response to Ramses (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:18 AM

15. She's a pro

 

as if admitting something heinous was a mistake changes anything.
THIS is what her supporters are supporting.
whats the difference between ignorance and indifference?

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Response to reddread (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:44 PM

20. Indifference is the opposite of love

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Response to Ramses (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:12 AM

51. She is a neocon. It's that simple.


They operate on blood for profit.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:41 AM

36. One of many mistakes. Anyone remember her IWR vote? Lol, if course we do - and never forget!

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:11 AM

6. The shame of it all

is that they do this secretly in our names. When exposed, they say it's in America's best interest. It's a power game with human lives and the callousness of it all is beyond redemption.

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Response to aspirant (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:15 AM

8. Secrecy is the name of their game

 

Lying about war, the economy, the TPP, the Keystone Pipeline, Hillary Clinton knows the game very well. Her words and action are there for all to see. I hope she is exposed as the right wing fraud that she is before its too late

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:40 AM

12. But, but, but ... she's very strong on women's rights. Or something.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:56 AM

13. Sorry, you'll have to speak up, I can't hear you over all these damn crickets..

Presumably there has been a server crash at the Mothership and the talking points have not yet been distributed.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:34 PM

17. She voted for a illegal war that killed over 500,000 Iraqi women and children

 

Thats how strong she cares about women's rights. Its hypocrisy and deception

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Response to Ramses (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:40 PM

18. And don't forget the sanctions under her husband.

 

Plenty of women and children died then.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:01 AM

21. We don't forget at all.

 

When the best we can do is Hillary, this party is in very deep trouble. The angry lashing out and desperation from the neocons within our party is quite evident everywhere you look

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Response to Ramses (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:20 AM

22. I will never forget.

 

I will never vote for HRC.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:43 PM

19. Bernie, please stop this Medusa's head from becoming president

n/t

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Response to DerekG (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:28 AM

39. Its one dishonest corporate warmonger against the other

 

We need an actual human being who isn't a total sociopath. I guess the threat against one's life and family is too great for any sane person to step in at this point. The violent criminals that run the US government will make sure they get the 1% candidate.

They knocked off JFK, MLK, RFK, they wont hesitate at this point to go for whatever is left of the middle class and fuck over poor people even more.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:13 AM

30. jump in anywhere

 

a silence arises from the sad facts .

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Response to olddots (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:22 AM

33. Im not sure I understand your reply

 

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Response to Ramses (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:59 AM

34. there have been no rebuttals

 

from the Hillary camp .

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Response to olddots (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:44 AM

37. It's pretty clear they've lost the argument. Hillary is toast. Ready for Elizabeth!

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Response to olddots (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:57 AM

38. There cant be honest rebuttals

 

How do you argue that Hillary's YES vote on the illegal war in IRAQ, which cost 500,000 plus women's lives is being "strong" on women's rights? She is a fraud, and Im afraid she is stringing along many people because of fear.

How does one sit there and tell themselves they will vote for a person who voted yes to a war that killed 500,000 women and in the same sentence say they believe she is for women's rights?

How does one deceive their own brain with lies like that?

They know Hillary lies through her teeth. And they know she is a ring wing neocon warmonger. But they tell themselves she cares about women, except for the unfortunate fact that Hillary voted for an illegal war that killed half a million women.

Frauds and charlatans. and Lying liars. I have no use for sociopaths like that

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Response to Ramses (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:53 PM

40. So who is running that I can vote for who meets these criteria?

Let me know.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:10 PM

41. if Sanders runs you would have a choice

 

Plase read my posts carefully and see that we are being lied to. I myself thought wrongly for a while,then i woke up

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:51 PM

45. Who has declared their intention to run at this point?

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:15 PM

42. Hillary might have left the Republican Party

 

but its ideas never completely left her.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:43 PM

44. She never left in the first place

 

I could respect if she was honest an ran as a Republican. At least then she could be ignored and exposed for who she really is and what she really represents.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 08:46 PM

46. kick

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 10:43 PM

48. We have had more than enough of Hillary's bad foeign policy decisions and advice.

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #48)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:34 AM

49. Unfortunately we are going to get two very bad choices come 2016

 

And we will all be castigated if we don't choose the "less worse" option. I feel sick at this point at how far we have gone to the right.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:04 AM

50. Me too. Ultimately the problem is structural.

 

The military and the extremely wealthy have all the real power.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:46 AM

59. Libya failed as a State after We Came, We Saw, and He Died. Syria is a quagmire with a red line.

 

A disappearing red line as it turned out.

So much for Hillary Clinton's foreign policy chops.

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