Hard Choices: Hillary Clinton Admits Role in Honduran Coup Aftermath

[Ramses]

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/09/30/hard-choices-hillary-clinton-admits-role-honduran-coup-aftermath




In a recent op-ed in The Washington Post, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a review of Henry Kissinger’s latest book, “World Order,” to lay out her vision for “sustaining America’s leadership in the world.” In the midst of numerous global crises, she called for return to a foreign policy with purpose, strategy and pragmatism. She also highlighted some of these policy choices in her memoir “Hard Choices” and how they contributed to the challenges that Barack Obama’s administration now faces.

The chapter on Latin America, particularly the section on Honduras, a major source of the child migrants currently pouring into the United States, has gone largely unnoticed. In letters to Clinton and her successor, John Kerry, more than 100 members of Congress have repeatedly warned about the deteriorating security situation in Honduras, especially since the 2009 military coup that ousted the country’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. As Honduran scholar Dana Frank points out in Foreign Affairs, the U.S.-backed post-coup government “rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries,” opening the door for further “violence and anarchy.”


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[AtomicKitten]

1. She facilitated the rightwing coup & its bloody aftermath.

Boo! Hiss!

[Ramses]

3. Yes she did

We dont need someone who is deceptive and phony as our candidate. I hope Sanders runs.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. If Elizabeth doesn't run, I think it's a given Bernie jumps in. President Sanders has a nice ring to it.

[Ramses]

27. I could support Sanders in the general

Although Warren's rhetoric is good, her background concerns me. Id like to know more about the recent meeting between Warren and Clinton, and I think it would disappoint a lot of people here. But I could support Sanders for sure. Sanders would make the republicans heads explode and they would have no good answer at all to his ideas. He is a smart guy.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. I agree w/ u Ramses. But whatabout the meeting between Elizabeth & Hillary u think wud disappoint?

[Ramses]

31. I think Warren has been told things that she should support Clinton

under duress. Or she was possibly offered a future Cabinet post for her support. Warren would be making a big mistake to join up with Hillary for political favors. If she does, it wouldnt surprise me and any support I might have had for Warren would go out the window. She has said she is not running, but she should stay in the Senate where she would be a strong voice. I feel Hillary is trying to neuter her voice by offering some token post or using political coersion to make her throw her support behind Hillary.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Gotcha. Yeah, I would 2 wud lose some respect 4 Elizabeth if she sells out her principles 2 Hillary, but I don't expect that 2 happen.

[NYC_SKP]

56. I don't know, it might have been a very very strongly worded message sent to her.

There might have been some mention of significant potential consequences for not staying in her place.

I wish I was joking.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. I wouldn't be surprised. For Hillary, "the bloom is off the rose," and her ability to use such strong arm tactics may finally be comin to an end. Thankfully.

[NYC_SKP]

58. .

"You can continue to have a career in politics, or you can interfere."

That's how politics works, often.

I don't dare be more specific than that.

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. BHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA...

OMG some people's world view is hilarious...glad I don't live in your dark little world....

And to think I was about to change my sigline....

[ND-Dem]

9. Because zelaya was too close to chavez, among other reasons.

Colonel Inestroza also commented that Zelaya's allegiance to Hugo Chávez was hard to stomach and "It would be difficult for us, with our training, to have a relationship with a leftist government..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

[Ramses]

10. Hillary's foreign policy should be put front and center here

[TheKentuckian]

16. You'd think since this is the centerpiece of her "most experienced candidate" evah rationale.

I'm saying her experience is not very confidence inspiring regardless of volume.

It would seem like this kind "experience" would be the end of the road rather than a resume stuffer to me.

[Ramses]

47. They are proud of this stuff

If American people knew the full extent of our murderous foreign policies spanning decades, there would be an uprising.

[nationalize the fed]

23. + the population of Honduras

Excellent post. Thanks.

[Ramses]

24. Careful, I posted the same exact photo a while back

and it got my post hidden. I guess the truth about who Hillary is, is too much for some folks here. Hillary praised Henry Kissinger, and I got my post hidden. Speaks volumes of who really is in charge and how tightly controlled propaganda is on the internet. Let alone the bought off news media in this country. They already have that wrapped up.

[nationalize the fed]

25. Thanks for the advice

I'm not afraid. They can hide our posts and we just come back stronger. They have no clue about who they're dealing with.

Bring it, fake liberals.

[SidDithers]

43. "we just come back stronger."...

Sid

[VanillaRhapsody]

53. I know.....hilarious isn't it...

Prepare for the zombie invasion....

[VanillaRhapsody]

55. Oh my...ZOMBIE ATTACK!

get the plastic sheeting and duct tap Sid!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. That picture makes me wanna hurl. Hillary and Henry, two peas in a pod. Ready for Bernie!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. She's a neo-lib.

[Ramses]

4. yep.

They cant shut all of us up. Too many millions of Americans know the game is rigged and will speak up about it.Whether here or on other websites or in public, or dozens of other venues to have our voices heard

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. too many millions........

[JDPriestly]

5. Another example of Hillary Clinton's bad judgment.

What a tragic mistake Hillary made with regard to Honduras.

[Ramses]

7. It was not a mistake

She fully supported the Honduran coup. She also supports the murderous violence that is now Libya. She voted for the IRW based on lies. Its a pattern of deception with Hillary.

[DLnyc]

11. I have to agree with you

I don't think she really makes mistakes. I admire her toughness, but I disagree on a very fundamental level with her politics.

What her State Department did in Honduras is profoundly wrong, in my opinion. And it is extremely difficult to imagine that it was done with other than cool and informed intent.

[tech3149]

14. Therin lies the problem

She may be tough and very deliberate but that is of no value if you are consistently wrong.
I voted for Obama as an alternative to that which was unthinkable and will probably vote for Clinton on the same basis. If that's the best we can hope for we are truly screwn.

[Ramses]

32. She knew exactly what she was doing

And that's what is disturbing. Hillary isn't a dummy. She's very intelligent. She knows exactly what she is doing, which should concern thinking Americans everywhere

[reddread]

15. She's a pro

as if admitting something heinous was a mistake changes anything.
THIS is what her supporters are supporting.
whats the difference between ignorance and indifference?

[Fumesucker]

20. Indifference is the opposite of love

[woo me with science]

51. She is a neocon. It's that simple.

They operate on blood for profit.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. One of many mistakes. Anyone remember her IWR vote? Lol, if course we do - and never forget!

[aspirant]

6. The shame of it all

is that they do this secretly in our names. When exposed, they say it's in America's best interest. It's a power game with human lives and the callousness of it all is beyond redemption.

[Ramses]

8. Secrecy is the name of their game

Lying about war, the economy, the TPP, the Keystone Pipeline, Hillary Clinton knows the game very well. Her words and action are there for all to see. I hope she is exposed as the right wing fraud that she is before its too late

[Scuba]

12. But, but, but ... she's very strong on women's rights. Or something.

[Fumesucker]

13. Sorry, you'll have to speak up, I can't hear you over all these damn crickets..

Presumably there has been a server crash at the Mothership and the talking points have not yet been distributed.

[Ramses]

17. She voted for a illegal war that killed over 500,000 Iraqi women and children

Thats how strong she cares about women's rights. Its hypocrisy and deception

[bigwillq]

18. And don't forget the sanctions under her husband.

Plenty of women and children died then.

[Ramses]

21. We don't forget at all.

When the best we can do is Hillary, this party is in very deep trouble. The angry lashing out and desperation from the neocons within our party is quite evident everywhere you look

[bigwillq]

22. I will never forget.

I will never vote for HRC.

[DerekG]

19. Bernie, please stop this Medusa's head from becoming president

n/t

[Ramses]

39. Its one dishonest corporate warmonger against the other

We need an actual human being who isn't a total sociopath. I guess the threat against one's life and family is too great for any sane person to step in at this point. The violent criminals that run the US government will make sure they get the 1% candidate.

They knocked off JFK, MLK, RFK, they wont hesitate at this point to go for whatever is left of the middle class and fuck over poor people even more.

[olddots]

30. jump in anywhere

a silence arises from the sad facts .

[Ramses]

33. Im not sure I understand your reply

[olddots]

34. there have been no rebuttals

from the Hillary camp .

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. It's pretty clear they've lost the argument. Hillary is toast. Ready for Elizabeth!

[Ramses]

38. There cant be honest rebuttals

How do you argue that Hillary's YES vote on the illegal war in IRAQ, which cost 500,000 plus women's lives is being "strong" on women's rights? She is a fraud, and Im afraid she is stringing along many people because of fear.

How does one sit there and tell themselves they will vote for a person who voted yes to a war that killed 500,000 women and in the same sentence say they believe she is for women's rights?

How does one deceive their own brain with lies like that?

They know Hillary lies through her teeth. And they know she is a ring wing neocon warmonger. But they tell themselves she cares about women, except for the unfortunate fact that Hillary voted for an illegal war that killed half a million women.

Frauds and charlatans. and Lying liars. I have no use for sociopaths like that

[Agschmid]

40. So who is running that I can vote for who meets these criteria?

Let me know.

[Ramses]

41. if Sanders runs you would have a choice

Plase read my posts carefully and see that we are being lied to. I myself thought wrongly for a while,then i woke up

[Fumesucker]

45. Who has declared their intention to run at this point?

[LittleBlue]

42. Hillary might have left the Republican Party

but its ideas never completely left her.

[Ramses]

44. She never left in the first place

I could respect if she was honest an ran as a Republican. At least then she could be ignored and exposed for who she really is and what she really represents.

[woo me with science]

46. kick

[Vattel]

48. We have had more than enough of Hillary's bad foeign policy decisions and advice.

[Ramses]

49. Unfortunately we are going to get two very bad choices come 2016

And we will all be castigated if we don't choose the "less worse" option. I feel sick at this point at how far we have gone to the right.

[Vattel]

50. Me too. Ultimately the problem is structural.

The military and the extremely wealthy have all the real power.

[cherokeeprogressive]

59. Libya failed as a State after We Came, We Saw, and He Died. Syria is a quagmire with a red line.

A disappearing red line as it turned out.

So much for Hillary Clinton's foreign policy chops.