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Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:33 AM

 

OOOPS! Hillary's foundation received 81 million through Swiss Bank Acct under Investigation

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http://www.inquisitr.com/1836830/bill-and-hillary-clinton-foundation-received-81-million-in-donations-through-swiss-bank-under-investigation/

These unfortunate stories I will definitely NOT read. Ive learned to CLAP HARDER




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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:40 AM

1. I am...

 




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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:46 AM

4. Im ready for Bernie Sanders personally

 

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Response to Ramses (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:50 AM

32. +1 Bernie is the only current potential candidate telling the truth about oligarchy.

That is why I believe the PTB would stop at nothing, and I mean nothing, to marginalize and if necessary end his candidacy.

Elizabeth Warren's message on economics is important and welcome. But even her policy agenda does not clearly challenge the wars and the surveillance/police state that are dismantling democracy in this nation.

We don't just need to be more economically comfortable within an authoritarian state. We need restoration of our democracy and our Bill of Rights.

We need reform of our elections. We need restoration of our civil liberties. We need an end to the surveillance state and the militarization of our police forces, and the private prison industry, and the endless wars for profit.

And the corporate propaganda machine aimed at Americans.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:20 AM

109. Either one would be immeasurably better than another Clinton or Bush. nt

 

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:36 AM

28. Paging Elizabeth . . . please pick up the red courtesy phone . . . President Obama on his hotline is calling.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 12:22 AM

146. But Senator Warren has stated

 

Over and over and over again she isn't running and she supports Hillary Clinton.

It must be insulting after awhile when people assume you are a liar because the truth doesn't fit with their wishes.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #146)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 02:39 AM

147. Nope. Warren "hopes she runs", said "she's terrific", and "terrific"= intense, causing terror.

 

ter·rif·ic
təˈrifik/
adjective
adjective: terrific

1.
of great size, amount, or intensity.
"there was a terrific bang"
synonyms: tremendous, huge, massive, enormous, gigantic, colossal, mighty, great, prodigious, formidable, monstrous, sizable, considerable; More
intense, extreme, extraordinary;
informalwhopping, humongous;
deafening
"a terrific bang"
informal
extremely good; excellent.
"it's been such a terrific day"
synonyms: marvelous, wonderful, sensational, outstanding, great, superb, excellent, first-rate, first-class, dazzling, out of this world, breathtaking; More
fantastic, fabulous, super, blue-ribbon, magic;
informalcool, wicked, awesome, bang-up, dandy, mean
"a terrific all-star cast"
2.
archaic
causing terror.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:44 AM

2. Where does the Clinton Global Intuitive give aid?

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:46 AM

3. DON"T read these either

 

'Jeb Bush Has a Mitt Romney Problem'

Documents filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission on Nov. 27 list Bush as chairman and manager of a new offshore private equity fund, BH Global Aviation, which raised $61 million in September, largely from foreign ­investors. In November the fund ­incorporated in the United Kingdom and Wales­—a ­structure, several independent finance lawyers say, that operates like a tax haven by allowing overseas investors to avoid U.S. taxes and regulations.



'Inside Jeb Bush's Shady Business Dealings With China'

In 2013, Bush's private equity business Britton Hill Holdings invested in BH Logistics, which last spring raised $26 million from a variety of investors including HNA group, which is based in Hainan. It also operates 500 jets as part of a subsidiary, Hainan Airlines.

"For the Chinese, the Bush name and the Bush connections to energy are a natural marriage,” China business scholar Derek Scissors told BloombergPolitics. “This is a classic example of the way sophisticated Chinese firms work. They don’t want to get involved directly in a U.S. startup that’s involved in shale, so they’ll take a minority stake to keep a lower profile. They’re looking for political protection, and the Bush name legitimizes the investment and makes him a perfect partner.”

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Response to bigtree (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:56 AM

6. Ive read BOTH of these

 

THEY ARE BOTH FRAUDS.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:57 AM

7. the Clinton Foundation story is a smear

 

CAPS don't make it any more legitimate.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:01 AM

8. There are DOZENS of stories about it

 

Is this one also a smear? Wake up. Take the blinders off

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Response to Ramses (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:03 AM

9. yes, it's a smear

 

DOZENS of them.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:06 AM

11. Strange, one can find actually hundreds of articles from all over about this

 

It must be a world wide conspiracy now against one person.



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Response to Ramses (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:09 AM

12. meh

 

...news cycles.

Not proof of anything ...except the lemming-like tendencies of an orchestrated media.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:40 AM

29. Can't believe so many here in denial bout Hillary. Where there's smoke, there's fire; where there's fire, there's a ragin inferno.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:10 AM

79. All you and your ilk's attempts to discredit her have the efficacy...

All you and your ilk's attempts to discredit her have the efficacy of


-farting during a blizzard


or


-pissing in the wind



#lol@me

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #79)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 02:23 PM

152. We don't have to discredit her - she's done an excellent job of it all by herself. [n/t]

 

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #152)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 02:36 PM

154. Even if she did which I dispute you and your ilk saying it is so has the efficacy of farting in the

Even if she did which I dispute you and your ilk saying it is so has all the political efficacy of farting in the wind.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #154)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:12 AM

155. We'll see. [n/t]

 

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Response to Ramses (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:05 AM

76. There is only one question that we need ot ask. Does the Clinton Foundation actually use the money

for charity? The foundation is an international charitable organization. Of course they get money from international sources that are interested in the same international problems. There are a lot of organizations that work that way. I remember that Americans were very generous in giving to Princess Diana's foundation some years ago.

The foundation is not her campaign. If she is using money from the foundation for the campaign that it wrong otherwise they are two separate organizations.

These smears are no different than the swift boat bull that the rw spread about John Kerry. Bull.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:25 PM

119. You can find hundreds of articles about BENGHAZI!!1

Doesn't mean they're not full of it.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:05 AM

10. You signed up 2 months ago and you're telling others...

 

To take the blinders off? It seems like you're the one with blinders on, your obsession with Hillary. If the only thing you're going to contribute here is anti-Hillary rhetoric maybe this isn't the forum for you. Your obsession is creepy.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:10 AM

13. my Obsession?

 

Check my posting history. Ive posted plenty against awful republicans here, just recently about ten minutes ago against Walker..

I know its difficult to comment on the article I posted. There really aren't any good excuses or defenses. I dont blame you for having nothing to say about it. It kind of speaks for itself.


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Response to Ramses (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:15 AM

17. This is like your 7th anti-Hillary OP this week.

 

There is nothing illegal about her foundation and is one of the most transparent non-profits in the country. Of all the issues facing America, this is the one you're putting on a cape for?

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:22 AM

19. I see you cant speak to anything in the article

 

which is easily read and accessible by hundreds of millions. I dont hide the fact I dont want Hillary as our nominee. NO ONE has even committed yet.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:27 AM

20. I spoke to it already. Its not illegal and its transparent.

 

If it weren't you wouldn't know about it. This wasn't some leak, it is easily accessible info. And yes, no one has committed yet, which is more of a reason why your obsession seems so unhinged.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:57 AM

33. More repetition of attempted character smear.


Along with the now-familiar corporate talking point to try to normalize the idea that anything not illegal is ethically acceptable.



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Response to woo me with science (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:44 PM

126. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:08 AM

46. Corporate talking points.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:36 AM

59. "It's not illegal and its (sic) transparent"...

.... your attitude is the perfect example of why our country is headed off a cliff. Government by and for the highest bidder, brought to you by complacent, no complicit, fools.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:11 AM

37. it's more important to repeat that you're "unhinged"


and to keep lowering the ethical bar for presidential candidates by pushing the corporate talking point that "not illegal" is all we have a right to expect.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:39 AM

62. No one is even running at this point....

Yet here you are... Hair on fire... Hatchet in hand.

It's going to be a long primary.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:01 AM

35. Rinse and repeat. As long as it's not illegal, it's all good....


Normalizing the exceedingly low bar of corporate ethics, even for those who claim to want to be a representative of the people.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:26 AM

51. Yes Obsession....

 

Do you even know what the Clinton Foundation does?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #51)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:29 AM

54. Lol!..look who is parroting the the talking points...

 

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:17 AM

81. Which ones...

The right wing ones? Or the Hillary ones?

Don't pretend it's not exactly the same thing, you are too smart for that.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:00 AM

34. Another post trying to suggest mental health problems in the person you are arguing with.


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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:09 AM

47. Standard smear tactics

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:38 AM

60. Yup.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:06 AM

78. ahem!

This has nothing to do with Ramses, but it's about my favorite show The Walking Dead.

If you watch that show, you'll know that occasionally people recognize the zombies for who they used to be.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #78)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:53 PM

129. Yup...

A leopard can't change it's spots, even if it changes names and IP addresses.

Sid

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Response to Ramses (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:13 AM

16. you should report all fraud you can prove to the appropriate authorities :-)

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Response to bigtree (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:31 PM

121. The big difference in my opinion is that this money went into Jeb's pockets.

While the money donated to the Clinton Foundation is used for the betterment of millions of people around the globe.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #121)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:33 PM

123. my point

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #123)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:36 PM

124. Yeah, I know.

It was mostly directed at the folks who always seem to have a visceral reaction to any Clinton article, no matter what the subject happens to be.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:47 AM

5. Ready For Jeb!

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:12 AM

38. And the predictable "Lesser of Two Evils" threat.

No, the people deserve much better than Jeb OR Hillary Goldman-Sachs.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:28 AM

112. OH OK, let's see them beat Hillary then and win the primary

Or tell us which third party you support.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:12 AM

14. ready for hillary -- and bill -- to go back to arkansas. maybe buy a little house, play with

 

the grandbaby...

the bushes could all go back to...where is those carpetbaggers' home, anyway?

Kennebunkport?

The estate was purchased in the late 19th century jointly by David Davis Walker, great-grandfather to President George H. W. Bush and his son, St. Louis banker George H. Walker. In 1921 Dorothy Walker and Prescott Bush were married, and George Herbert Walker built a "bungalow" on the Point and gave it to them as a wedding present.

When George H. Walker died in 1953, his son, George Herbert Walker, Jr. ("Herbie" purchased the property from his father's estate. It was not willed to him. Upon the death of Herbie Walker in 1977, the property again went up for sale and was purchased by Herbie's nephew, George H. W. Bush. The estate has since remained in the Bush family.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_compound

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:36 AM

25. They should buy one in North Korea!

Where everyone is happy!

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:38 PM

125. Arkansas?

They are part of the NY scene since early 2001 and we like them just fine in this part of the country. Hillary was a NY senator for 8 years and won her second election by a landslide. Besides, she's from Chicago.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #125)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:05 PM

131. But- but- "a place called Hope!"

 

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #131)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:20 PM

148. But - but - That was Bill's birthplace.

They are not the same person, in case you haven't noticed.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #148)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:21 PM

149. I thought they were married. And Hillary was first lady of Arkansas. You think they should

 

go back to Chicago?

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #149)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:28 PM

151. No, but neither do they have any intention to live in AR.

Their home is in NY and that's where they plan to remain. Obviously, if Hillary runs and if she wins, then she would have to move to DC. Although I think that they would keep their home in NY and Bill would continue to spend time there. The Foundation's headquarters are in the city and so is his office.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:13 AM

15. oops

 

"Bill and Hillary Clinton’s charitable foundation reportedly received about $81 million from seven donors via a Swiss bank allegedly used by the super rich as a tax dodge.

Among the Clinton Foundation donations through HSBC clients reportedly included thousands from a convicted sex offender."

I will definitely ignore that and clap even harder.

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Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:28 AM

21. Yep. She has no knowledge at all.

 

"she probably hasn't been to HQ in years."



I cant really fathom the mental disconnect to ignore such obvious information. It must be a world wide conspiracy against Hillary as there are hundreds of articles about this now.

How do you feel about her YES vote that contributed to 1 millions human beings murdered in IRAQ?

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Response to Ramses (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:33 AM

24. Its not a conspiracy, its a news story.

 

One which you wouldn't even know about if the foundation wasn't so transparent in the first place. All the authors are doing is questioning its ethics, it certainly isn't illegal, so let the voters decide whether they think it's ethical. That's what primaries are for. And as far as her voting record, she was rated as the 9th most liberal senator in her senate, with Obama being number 8. I think you think its some sort of conspiracy.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:27 AM

52. Please tell us all you think the Clinton Foundation does...

 

I will be waiting...

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Response to Post removed (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:14 AM

39. Right out of the box. Smear of mental instability.


You should be able to do better than this.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 09:04 AM

160. So every single depositer on that bank is a tax cheat

or the majority? or a plurality? or one or two? Do you know the answer to that? I don't.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:29 AM

22. Well, the WSJ and NY Times have great new stories, too!

 

A giant global initiative, favors to corporations as Secretary of State, and a run for POTUS, it all stinks.

Hillary Clinton’s Complex Corporate Ties
Family charities collected donations from companies she promoted as secretary of state

By James V. Grimaldi andRebecca Ballhaus
Feb. 19, 2015 10:30 p.m. ET

Among recent secretaries of state, Hillary Clinton was one of the most aggressive global cheerleaders for American companies, pushing governments to sign deals and change policies to the advantage of corporate giants such as General Electric Co. , Exxon Mobil Corp. , Microsoft Corp. and Boeing Co.

At the same time, those companies were among the many that gave to the Clinton family’s global foundation set up by her husband, former President Bill Clinton. At least 60 companies that lobbied the State Department during her tenure donated a total of more than $26 million to the Clinton Foundation, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of public and foundation disclosures.

As Mrs. Clinton prepares to embark on a race for the presidency, she has a web of connections to big corporations unique in American politics—ties forged both as secretary of state and by her family’s charitable interests. Those relationships are emerging as an issue for Mrs. Clinton’s expected presidential campaign as income disparity and other populist themes gain early attention.

Indeed, Clinton Foundation money-raising already is drawing attention. “To a lot of progressive Democrats, Clinton’s ties to corporate America are disturbing,” says Jack Pitney, a politics professor at Claremont McKenna College who once worked for congressional Republicans. Mrs. Clinton’s connections to companies, he says, “are a bonanza for opposition researchers because they enable her critics to suggest the appearance of a conflict of interest.”

more at http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-complex-corporate-ties-1424403002


and

Separate Philanthropy From Political Clout
Hillary Clinton Should Ban Foreign Donors to the Clinton Global Initiative

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD FEB. 20, 2015

The Clinton Foundation has become one of the world’s major generators of charity, mobilizing global efforts to confront issues like health, climate change, economic development and equality for women and girls.

Since its inception in 2001, it has raised nearly $2 billion in cash and pledges with millions more flowing in from an impressive array of donors, including foreign governments, financial chieftains and domestic donors, many of the latter political heavyweights.

All of which underlines the need for Hillary Rodham Clinton, in her all but certified role as a Democratic presidential candidate, to reinstate the foundation’s ban against foreign contributors, who might have matters of concern to bring before a future Clinton administration. This was a restriction Mrs. Clinton worked out with the Obama administration to allay concerns of potential conflict of interest when she became secretary of state in 2009.

According to a report this week in The Wall Street Journal, the ban was dropped after Mrs. Clinton left the administration in 2013, leading to a resumption of donations from foreign governments and agencies to the foundation’s Clinton Global Initiative, which sponsors conferences of world leaders from government, industry and philanthropy. Donors have included the United Arab Emirates, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Oman and a Canadian government agency reported to be involved in promoting the Keystone XL pipeline.

more at: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/20/opinion/hillary-clinton-should-ban-foreign-donors-to-the-clinton-global-initiative.html
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And then this little spin-off is just creepy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Women_in_Hedge_Funds

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:33 AM

23. still, only evidence of an 'appearance' of a conflict of interest

 

...show me where Hillary benefits directly from those contributions.

from the NYT editorial:

"No critic has alleged a specific conflict of interest. The foundation, in fact, went beyond normal philanthropic bounds for transparency six years ago in instituting voluntary disclosure of donors within broad dollar ranges on its website. But this very information can feed criticism."

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Response to bigtree (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:47 AM

30. I Agree 100%, it's only an appearance of a conflict but it sure looks suspicious-Hillary needs 2 clear this up pronto 2 have any chance at the nomination.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:29 AM

53. Suspicion is all some require it seems...

 

What's up with that??? hmmmm....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:40 PM

133. Vanilla, I would think as an ardent Hillary supporter, which I respect, you would agree that Hillary should address & clear up what you admit is an apparent conflict of interest...

but maybe I'm wrong, and you feel her "lead" is so insurmountable that the appearance of conflict can be ignored. I think Hillary does so at her own peril. JMHO.

If you care to provide a courteous response, I'd seriously be interested in your answer. Otherwise, save it.

Thanks in advance.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #133)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:59 PM

134. No I don't...

 

as another DU'er pointed out...this is like blaming a customer of Chase Bank for the financial crisis. Just because they also use one of the worlds largest banks...doesn't necessarily point to any suspicion...its a dredged up rehashed rightwing smear nothing more nothing less.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #133)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:04 PM

139. .

133. Vanilla, I would think as an ardent Hillary supporter, which I respect, you would agree that Hillary should address & clear up what you admit is an apparent conflict of interest...

but maybe I'm wrong, and you feel her "lead" is so insurmountable that the appearance of conflict can be ignored. I think Hillary does so at her own peril. JMHO.

If you care to provide a courteous response, I'd seriously be interested in your answer. Otherwise, save it.

Thanks in advance.


Class act.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:19 AM

82. If it was a Republican Candidate wouldn't you have questions?

We need to know the specifics of the programs the Clinton Foundation has Funded. Which Organizations receive the Money and how have they Accounted for the funds they've received. Have they been successful in their stated purpose. There were problems with the Clinton/Bush initiative in Haiti...has that been resolved? (I haven't kept up with it but it was a big deal a few years ago and not just from RW Sources)

Hopefully the Clinton Foundation will release the details. But potential voters have a right to know the details of where all this money is going and if any is co-mingled into campaign by accounting accident/oversight or otherwise.

It's not being a disloyal Democrat to want this information to get out there now. What if she's elected and we find out there was a conflict of interest? Spent eight years of my life defending the Clintons from RW'ers...and I sure don't want to live through that again.

Better to get all the skeletons out of the closet now (if there are any new ones) since Bill Clinton left office and Hillary served in Senate and as SOS than to spend eight more years of Clinton defense when our country is in such fragile shape and we are involved in so many war actions. imho.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #82)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:49 AM

88. It's pretty widely available on their website, or Google.

And actually some of the articles Ramses links to have that information in them.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #82)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:26 AM

111. we have the answers and I'm sure it's been muckraked over the coals by now

 

...most of the hoo-ha over the foundation is old news made new again by the decision to start accepting foreign contributions.

I personally think there are more important and relevant things to object to about a Clinton candidacy, starting with her Wall st. associations like Goldman Sachs, but that's just me. I think this is empty air.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #111)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:14 PM

113. It's Bill's activities which will keep attention on all of it, though

It's a long article about Bill's connections after the WH.

This is a long article with lots of fodder for 2016 reporting down the road.

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Scandal at Clinton Inc. How Doug Band drove a wedge through a political dynasty

One Thursday evening last September, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Tony Blair met in New York to conduct what was supposed to be a high-minded discourse on terrorism, geopolitics, and the global economy. The setting was elegant—the beaux arts ballroom of the Essex House, an iconic tower on Central Park South. The 78-person VIP guest list included Harvey Weinstein, Eli Broad, Blackstone co-founders Steve Schwarzman and Pete Peterson, Silicon Valley impresario Sean Parker, Billie Jean King, George Pataki, and New York City police chief Ray Kelly, along with CEOs and top executives from companies like Dow Chemical, Coca-Cola, BP, and Bank of America. Somehow, these onetime world leaders, corporate titans, and other notable personages converged in the center of New York without the event ever being noticed by the press.

The guests had been wrangled, persuaded, flattered, and otherwise enticed to attend by Doug Band, a tall man with genial, unmemorable features and a deferential demeanor. In fact, the gathering was taking place in his own building, underneath his expansive eighth-floor apartment, and it represented a major triumph for him.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114790/how-doug-band-drove-wedge-through-clinton-dynasty

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Response to KoKo (Reply #113)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:19 PM

114. it's the corporatism,

 

...stupids

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Response to bigtree (Reply #114)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:59 PM

115. Agree!

That's what we Dems need to work on.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:46 PM

127. Part of the duties of a SOS are to promote American interests overseas.

Of course she was going to promote American businesses, particularly in the tough economy that Obama inherited. People act as if she was running State without any input from Obama or his administration.

Even if the companies that are listed did not donate a dime to the Clinton Foundation, do people think that she wouldn't have promoted these companies in her travels?

If and when she runs for president, the Foundation will have to curtail the donations that it will accept from foreign interests. By now they should be used to it, they had to provide a list of donors and required approval from State for any donations from sources outside the US.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:25 AM

26. The Foundation should stop taking these donations IF and WHEN Hillary announces she's running. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:40 AM

27. And when she decides to run, give the money back. n/t ;-)

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:14 AM

40. Ha ha.

I see what you did there...

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:48 AM

31. No question, but may be too little, too late. I would also recommend that Bill discontinue all flights to orgy island.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:17 AM

42. This is the time to winnow the field of Democratic candidates. Don't allow the Hillary worshippers

 

... to deter you. Our party needs better candidates and exposing these ethical (legal?) conflicts is essential.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:29 AM

43. +100000000

Note the tactics of diversion and smear being used above. Lots of posts trying to suggest mental health problems in the OP.

IMO, this story is not even necessary given Hillary's already reeking mountain of corporate policy positions and alliances with the most malignant corporate entities on the globe. We already know she is a malignant corporatist and warmonger trading favors to Wall Street at the expense of the people she pretends to represent. That's corruption.

I find this thread interesting primarily for the textbook use of drumbeat smear (repeated accusations of mental instability) and the constant repetition that nothing is "illegal."

Corporate talking points work very hard to shift the window of what is considered normal and to lower the bar re: the ethical standards we are taught we have a right to expect from our presidential candidates.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 05:16 PM

164. ^^^

Worth Repeating:

"Note the tactics of diversion and smear being used above. Lots of posts trying to suggest mental health problems in the OP.

IMO, this story is not even necessary given Hillary's already reeking mountain of corporate policy positions and alliances with the most malignant corporate entities on the globe. We already know she is a malignant corporatist and warmonger trading favors to Wall Street at the expense of the people she pretends to represent. That's corruption.

I find this thread interesting primarily for the textbook use of drumbeat smear (repeated accusations of mental instability) and the constant repetition that nothing is "illegal."

woo me with science post 43



Well Stated.
Reccing your post.




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Response to Scuba (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:33 AM

55. Worshippers?

 

You sure seem to have bias's considering "other" Democrats. The word you should be using is....supporters especially since you are talking about the VAST majority of other Democrats.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:35 AM

58. I'm referring to those who post long lists of Hillary's "leftist" positions on minor issues.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:40 AM

63. "minor" issues?

 

This is what YOU call minor?

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)

Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
I re-evaluated & changed my mind on gay marriage: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3

No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)

Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4

Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)

OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)

$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8

Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)

Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11

Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)

Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12

Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Chief advocate for Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Strongly Favors topic 13
TPP agreement creates more growth and better growth: Favors topic 13
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13

Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)

US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14

No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)

There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15

Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)

Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16

Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)

OpEd: More aggressive than most Dems on foreign policy: Opposes topic 17
Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18

Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)

Medical marijuana now; wait-and-see on recreational pot: Opposes topic 19
Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19

Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #63)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:41 AM

64. Yes, compared to being pro war and turning our sovereignity over to corporations, those are minor.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:44 AM

66. So the ONLY issue for you....is war...and by the way...if you bothered to read

 

those "minor issues" since you posted so quickly we know you never have....you would notice that war and "turning our sovereignity over to corporations" is covered among them....




RW BS indeed!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #66)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:53 AM

72. Minor issues? BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Somehow I just don't see women and girls rights as a minor issue. Maybe because I am in my sixties and had to work hard for those rights as well as marching for them.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #72)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:04 AM

75. I know right???

 

Someone the other night used a term that stuck in my brain....because it was sooo hypocritical. "Tone Deaf". I have to come to realize Tone Deafness is an affliction around here!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #63)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:23 AM

110. Yeah, no other Democratic candidates could boast that record.

No. Wait. Actually all of them probably can, and do so without the Iraq baggage or the corporatist history.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:41 AM

65. You are sooo funny Scuba

 

Last edited Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:34 AM - Edit history (1)

Here's the actual score results from tabulating all those "minor issues" you were talking about...

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)

No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)

No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)

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Response to Scuba (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:05 AM

91. LOL. You knew you'd invoke the Great Wall of Hillary Text, didn't you?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:54 AM

105. Yeh. women's rights is definitely a minor issue.

 

Geez. And I would prefer Bernie, or Elizabeth if she were running which she isn't, but Hillary is not the anti-Christ.
Some of you folks are just laughable.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #105)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 05:55 PM

116. Being pro-war is being anti-woman.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:07 PM

132. Don't say they're minor.

 

Don't fall for the divide and conquer of issues hierarchies. Some of her positions are indeed right and good. She can be a saint and a half by day. If she's a bomber by night, that ruins it. Strange, how that works. (I hear down here among the masses they even convict people who never committed a single crime, except one! Surely this is evidence of extreme ideological purity testing.)

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #132)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:54 PM

145. Compared to being pro-war, the rest are minor.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:46 AM

67. This OP is neither an ethical or legal conflict.

Seriously, has anyone actually taken the time to read what it actually says? It says that some donors to the Clinton Foundation had accounts at HSBC, which happens to be the second biggest bank in the world.

Not that it would have mattered even if it was the Clinton Foundation, or Hillary herself that had an HSBC account. Are we going to insist that all Dem candidates only bank at local credit union cooperatives?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #67)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:49 AM

68. Yes...

And apparently the Vermont State Employee Credit Union.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:34 AM

44. LOL. A truly pathetic attempt at a smear.

If the professional Hillary haters have to resort to things like this, it's a great sign.

Here's the thing. The point of this story is that some donors to the Clinton foundation had accounts at HSBC, which is currently under investigation.

What they fail to mention is that HSBC is the second largest bank in the world. A lot of people and organizations have accounts there. And, hilariously, the Clinton Foundation wasn't even one of them.

Of course, even if they did, that would mean nothing. It would be like saying that anyone with a Chase account is partly responsible for the financial crisis.

But this is even stupider. It's not even guilt by association, it's by association to association. It's like saying that anyone who ever cashes a check from someone else with a Chase account is responsible for the financial crisis!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:34 AM

56. I know right....

 

They are so funny....their tilting at windmills and all!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:56 AM

73. Oh you and your logic!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:03 AM

74. **** This is the best post in the thread. ****

in particular, this:
Of course, even if they did, that would mean nothing. It would be like saying that anyone with a Chase account is partly responsible for the financial crisis.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #74)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:27 AM

101. DUZY!!!!

 

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Response to DanTex (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:25 PM

120. I didn't see your post before I posted mine down thread but yep, it's pathetic

 

If one takes a minute or two to completely understand what is being alleged, it's a pretty silly insinuation.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:49 AM

45. We already know who she is and what she represents,

but the ugly evidence keeps rolling in.

She works on behalf of global banks and corporations and warmongers, and she stands for the very worst entrenchment and expansion of Bush and now Obama-era policies corrupting our government's direction with corporate money and dismantling democracy itself.



Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761

Hillary Clinton Cheerleads for Biotech and GMOs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112772326

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

More from Hillary Clinton's State Department: The fascistic TISA (Trade in Services Agreement)
http://m.thenation.com/blog/180572-grassroots-labor-uprising-your-bank

How Hillary Clinton's State Department sold fracking to the world
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251376647

Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101695441

On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
http://m.thenation.com/article/180564-nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar

Corporate Warfare: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

The Bill and Hillary Clinton Money Machine Taps Corporate Cash
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025189257

Hillary's Privatization Plan: TISA kept more secret than the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014829628

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Some of Hillary Clinton's statements on Social Security.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379279

Hillary Clinton's GOLDMAN SACHS PROBLEM.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025049343

Ring of Fire: Hillary Clinton - The Perfect Republican Candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209285

How Americans Need Answers From Hillary Clinton On TPP, KXL, Wall St & More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017181611

Hillary Clinton Left Out By Liberal Donor Club
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025809071

Why Wall Street Loves Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016106575

Hillary Clinton: Neocon-lite
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101684986

Interactive graphic of Hillary Clinton's connections to the Forbes top 400 (Follow link in post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025824981#post9

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:15 AM

48. So let's do better.

We need to be open to what other candidates can offer.

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Response to Sienna86 (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:19 AM

49. See post 32.

But Bernie is right. Nothing changes without a groundswell of citizens ready to call out the corruption and outright assaults on democracy...and demand better. Our government is so deeply and fundamentally corrupted right now that mere voting is not going to be enough.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 02:32 PM

153. I was told in another thread that a groundswell was both irrelevant and unachievable.

 

That's when I realized what these lock-step Hillary supporters are really advocating: acquiescence. They want us to realize, like they do, that there is no hope for a Liberal candidate. The best we can do is to keep our heads down, avert our gaze from our political betters, and glumly pull the lever for whatever stale pablum is heaped on our ballot.

They have given up on making things better. They believe we are in a losing battle against the inevitable slide from Republic to Empire and all we can hope for is to slow it down long enough to collect what's left of our Social Security and then die. They are actually taking this Simpson's quote to heart:

"Liberals), you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try."

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:35 AM

57. No you just think you do...with your cherrypicking articles...

 

Here are the FACTS:

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)

Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
I re-evaluated & changed my mind on gay marriage: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3

No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)

Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4

Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)

OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)

$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8

Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)

Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11

Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)

Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12

Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Chief advocate for Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Strongly Favors topic 13
TPP agreement creates more growth and better growth: Favors topic 13
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13

Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)

US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14

No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)

There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15

Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)

Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16

Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)

OpEd: More aggressive than most Dems on foreign policy: Opposes topic 17
Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18

Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)

Medical marijuana now; wait-and-see on recreational pot: Opposes topic 19
Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19

Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:05 AM

77. Your standard response, which has been repeatedly exposed as the empty PR it is.

Hillary's actual record in support of corporate economic, war, and police state policies is clear and indisputable, notwithstanding how *votes* are routinely manipulated and rotating villains used to create PR like this for corporate politicians who plan to run for office.

The Democratic Party’s deceitful game
They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34

...The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, it’s Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, it’s Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and “breaking with their party” to ensure Michael Mukasey’s confirmation as Attorney General; then it’s Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then it’s Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they can’t blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they don’t need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.


Your post uses a standard corporate propaganda tactic of trying to create "debate" over reality itself, i.e. Hillary's clear, documented, and aggressive ties to and support of the corporate economic, war, and police state agenda and policies, as extensively documented in my links above.

*Of course* Hillary is right-wing corporatist. We watch her being one - arranging bloody right-wing coups, shilling for war, authoring predatory "trade"agreements, opposing raising the cap on SS, attacking whistleblowers, schmoozing with Kissinger and the Forbes 400 - every single day.

Now, you will continue, of course. But I will not feed further blatant "2+2=5."







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Response to woo me with science (Reply #77)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:32 AM

83. My standard response is the facts.. the record...straight from the source herself....

 

what's yours?

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:38 AM

61. And since you like Blue linkies....of article OTHER People wrote...

 

Lets post some that show exactly what Hillary has said herself on subjects shall we?

Here they are:

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Budget_+_Economy.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Corporations.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Crime.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Drugs.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Education.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Energy_+_Oil.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Environment.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Families_+_Children.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Foreign_Policy.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Free_Trade.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Government_Reform.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Health_Care.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Homeland_Security.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Immigration.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Jobs.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Principles_+_Values.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Tax_Reform.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Technology.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_War_+_Peace.htm

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #61)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:39 AM

84. The reason you are flailing here

is because you are merely posting more evidence of the scam I have been describing.

Of course Hillary claims to support liberal policies. And Barack Obama got elected by promising to rein in the surveillance state, hold criminal bankers accountable, and insist on a public option.

That's what corporate politicians do. They lie.

You can post "2+2=5" all day long. It does not change the fact that we have observed, for years and years now, her actual behavior and alliances.

Goodbye, Vanilla.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #84)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:41 AM

85. buddy...you need to look in the mirror...

 

I'm not the one flailing here...

The facts and records speak for themselves...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #85)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:42 AM

86. He or she didn't "woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" you yet?/NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #86)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:47 AM

87. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

 

HAH!

No.....I am still waiting patiently for my wooing.....the sciency kind to boot!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #87)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:56 AM

89. Woo

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #89)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:59 AM

90. Ric Flair....Dammit....

 

Just when I thought some young handsome scientist was interested in my wooness.....I get blindsided by woo from Ric Flair!!! Damn you Match.com!!!!


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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #90)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:06 AM

92. Maybe he or she can use this as wallpaper

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #92)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:08 AM

93. and then draw a beaker and some nerdy glasses....you know to signify the sciency part!

 

a perfect avatar actually!!!!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #93)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:09 AM

94. You're bad./NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #94)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:11 AM

95. I know....

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #95)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:12 AM

96. Probably from all the "woooooooooooooooooooooooooooing"./NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #96)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:14 AM

97. could beeeeee....

 



or





although the wooing around here has been rather paltry lately..... I mean...


Ric Flair??? Come on....I am being woo'd by Ric Flair now??? Has it gotten that bad?

I start that new diet..uh...MONDAY...Yeah Monday!!!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #97)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:19 AM

99. I don't believe I will ever be "wooooooooooed" this way again./NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #99)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:25 AM

100. swoooooon!

 




its so....its sooooo bittersweet!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #100)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:30 AM

102. I hope we didn't make anybody unhappy . It's all in good fun./NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #102)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:41 AM

103. Thats right.....

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #103)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:47 AM

104. Woo has his or her point of view and I would defend to my death his or her right to express it.

Doesn't mean I have to agree with it or believe it's going to push the proverbial needle as far as policy tho.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #104)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:55 AM

106. 100%

 

Sometimes one just needs a little perspective...

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:20 AM

50. RW BS nt

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:49 AM

69. good thing Mrs. Bachman (R) withdrew her swiss citizenship in 2012

of course mr bachman retains his. The decades of of profits from nazi* looters is over.


*auto spellcheck quit auto-capping the N

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:49 AM

70. Just another anti-Hillary thread from the right wing. Move along folks, nothing to see.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #70)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:55 AM

107. Ya think? They're pretty damn obvious, aren't they?

 

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #107)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:10 AM

108. Well

This one certainly is.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:50 AM

71. When in Greece do like the Greecians or something like that

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:12 AM

80. I'm no fan of HRC But

If the announcement from MSNBC wasn't a "red flag" hurricane warning about the quality, fact and credibility of "multi-story hours" on MSM..I don't know what Can alert the public.
If you think the announced shift isn't going to affect Every aspect of Everything we hear, see and read....well......

This leaves HUGE questions as to the credibility of this SCANDAL...I don't believe Anything I hear anymore on CorpoMedia and why should you?

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/02/corporate-media-conflates-clinton

Like Clinton the candidate or not-We, the people-who constantly complain about the lack of "Truthiness" with our congress, candidates and other such "critters and varmint's".....seem Quick and Eager to pile on this.
The CorpoMedia "Word Shysters" who call themselves "reporters and journalist's"----Say THANK You for your gullibility - They Count on it. Hell, they NEED us all to stay gullible and thinking small. It's how the Kochs Win and won and I'm NOT playing this campaign season...are you?
And on this-I have seen a rather "excited knee-jerk" over this story......I suspect the rampant wide spread versions of this are the ones who are not factual and are merely "Fake Fodder for the masses".
Again, like HRC the candidate or Not---They fear HRC
I've always appreciated the folks here who "keep it real" and as truthful as possible.
I want crystal clear facts as I vet and consider candidates.....don't you?
It's up to us to do the digging for the actual truth now...Journalism and credible media, seriously, simply do not exist anymore.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:17 PM

117. Man it's ugly when the entire right and the wayward left collude.

The right is wrong with the left forlorn and always the twain shall meet.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:23 PM

118. Let me get this straight, at worst, a charity to whom Hillary lends her name had

 

Funds sent to them from a bank that might have done wrong in a completely unrelated situation.

And to you that's supposed to be a reason to hate Hillary, of course.

not even a good try

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #118)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:49 PM

128. Exactly.

This is akin to accepting a check from someone who banks at an institution that is under investigation. How would that person be at fault for accepting the check in question?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #118)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:47 PM

135. and has absolutely nothing to do with the friends you keep.



If it were Bush you know the dialogue would be different.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #135)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:01 PM

137. The dialogue would not be different. Nonsense is nonsense and this is nonsense. Nt

 

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:32 PM

122. Did the money go into Hillary's personal bank account?

If it went to the Foundation, then I don't give a flying fig.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:03 PM

130. Wait, wait, FOX is going to report on it.

 

By DU neo-logic, that will make it untrue. It's all right-wing lies. Clinton's money comes exclusively from single-dollar donations by orphans and puppies.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #130)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:32 PM

144. I think you missed the zombies.

Or are you racist!?

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:51 PM

136. You know if Bush did it the dialogue in this thread would be different.

It would be all about his acquaintances and the friends that he keeps.

But since it's our guy, well, you know, .......it's OK.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #136)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:03 PM

138. No, it wouldn't, because we don't need to make garbage up. That's not our schtick

 

If that's how you operate, that's your business. I am not in the business of manufacturing outrage.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #138)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:05 PM

140. Yup.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #138)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:11 PM

141. "I am not in the business of manufacturing outrage."

Pushing Hillary on people that don't want her is not manufacturing outrage? No matter what you do Steven, or "Making Sense with Steven Lesser" AKA Hillary propaganda, your insignificant. We all know you. Your in the business of convincing other people that Hillary's the savior.



I'm sorry who's got the actual schtick?

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Response to Phlem (Reply #141)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:15 PM

142. your post is a jumble of non sequiturs. My concise point stands

 

We as Democrats don't make shit up. When we are upset at a Republican it is for good reason, not the nonsense that is posted in the OP.

You and those 15 few who recced this are saying much more about yourselves than about Hillary.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #142)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:18 PM

143. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,!!!

Ok then!

Bwahahahahahahahah!!!!!!

"My concise point stands"........yes Dungeon master, my roll?



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Response to Phlem (Reply #141)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:22 PM

150. Millions of people DO want her.

If you don't want her, then vote for someone else. There's no gun to your head or anyone else's.



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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:51 AM

156. Poster has left the building.

At least he got a good number of recs before being shown the door, eh?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #156)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:55 AM

157. Those recs will quietly disappear.

But they'll linger. Reminded me of Better Believe It.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #156)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 03:14 AM

158. His work here is done, at least for now. Who was that masked man?

His sidekick, who gives me a ringing in my ears every time I encounter him, is still around.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #158)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 08:51 AM

159. I wonder if the Right wing org paying him

...is gonna pay him for his last post?

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 09:11 AM

161. I can't hear you.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #161)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 04:26 PM

162. Ramses hath disrupted... Poorly.

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #162)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 04:31 PM

163. I called it immediately...

It really is time for the people that are giving him Hosannas to do some sober self reflection. They are being played for fools.

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