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[Scootaloo]

1. You might want to provide links to back this stuff up

[zappaman]

2. Where did you find these "facts"?

[NuclearDem]

6. Somewhere out west, or in the tiki bar.

[NuclearDem]

3. Russia did invade Ukraine.

In fact, they just established a holiday celebrating their invasion of Ukraine.

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick.

[Duckhunter935]

26. amazing people still do not get it

One year ago, mysterious troops bearing no insignia appeared in Crimea, which was shortly afterward annexed from Ukraine by Russia. The troops, who said little and declined to reveal their identity but ensured order during the annexation and subsequent referendum on joining Russia, quickly became known as "little green men" in the international media and "polite people" in Russia.

Putin initially denied that Russian troops had been dispatched to Crimea, but later admitted it.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-establishes-new-polite-people-day-in-russia-/516675.html

And now the Russian government denies that there are Russian troops in eastern Ukraine. Perhaps later they will admit that too and establish a new holiday commemorating their deeds.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026288861

[hrmjustin]

4. So it is our fault Russian troops are in Ukraine?

[Nye Bevan]

5. Documents Show How Russia’s Troll Army Hit America

Russia’s campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin’s message on the comments section of top American websites.

Plans attached to emails leaked by a mysterious Russian hacker collective show IT managers reporting on a new ideological front against the West in the comments sections of Fox News, Huffington Post, The Blaze, Politico, and WorldNetDaily.

The bizarre hive of social media activity appears to be part of a two-pronged Kremlin campaign to claim control over the internet, launching a million-dollar army of trolls to mold American public opinion as it cracks down on internet freedom at home.

......

The trolls appear to have taken pains to learn the sites’ different commenting systems. A report on initial efforts to post comments discusses the types of profanity and abuse that are allowed on some sites, but not others. “Direct offense of Americans as a race are not published (‘Your nation is a nation of complete idiots’),” the author wrote of fringe conspiracy site WorldNetDaily, “nor are vulgar reactions to the political work of Barack Obama (‘Obama did shit his pants while talking about foreign affairs, how you can feel yourself psychologically comfortable with pants full of shit?’).” Another suggested creating “up to 100” fake accounts on the Huffington Post to master the site’s complicated commenting system.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-army-hit-america#.ul8LGn1rWY

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. And not a single link to a reputable source. Thanks anyhoo! And Welcome Back!

[Duckhunter935]

27. wonder which one it is that was banned?

[Maedhros]

8. I am not in favor of supplying arms to the Ukraine.

However, your post is full of unsubstantiated assertions. Were you to provide links to corroborating sources, your argument would be much more sound.

[Maedhros]

13. Look, Dwight42:

It's not our job to search Google for corroboration of your assertions - it's yours. If you make a point in your post, cite your source that backs it up. Quote important passages that prove your point.

I'm not entirely opposed to your line of thinking. However, the way you approach the issue suggests you have an agenda and may not be entirely trustworthy.

[elias49]

9. Kick

Interesting summary.

[nationalize the fed]

10. If you haven't already seen this

you might find it interesting


The complete historical timeline of how the US plotted & engineered the Coup in Kiev, starting in March 2013

Planning for the February 2014 Coup D'Etat in Kiev started in March 2013 (or earlier).

This amazing speech in Ukraine's Rada (Parliament) details how 300 people, under the direction of the US Embassy in Kiev, were to mobilize and manipulate social media in order to provoke protests that would lead to a Coup to oust Yanukovych and then start a Civil War.

"MUST WATCH: Nov 2013 (pre-Maidan!): Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine".

This speech was made on 20th November 2013, i.e. the day before the sudden suspension of talks with the EU
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/21/ukraine-suspends-preparations-eu-trade-pact
So this was BEFORE the Maidan protests ever got going because everybody up to this point thought that Yanukovych was going to sign the EU association agreement.
The speech above specifies that 5 "TechCamps" had already been conducted by November.

As reported in the Guardian in 2011, The US government are utilizing propaganda & social media manipulation on an industrial scale

March 2013 on
Training and mobilizing of 300 people started in March 2013 (or earlier) under the direct supervision of the US Embassy in Kiev. This is the US Embassy's report of one of the camps held at Microsoft's Ukraine headquarters on March 1st and details a number of areas and methods within social media that were to be utilized to spread pro EU and pro US propaganda....MORE

http://ian56.blogspot.in/2015/01/how-february-coup-in-kiev-was-plotted.html

The US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland (Husband of PNAC Co-Founder Robert Kagan) somehow called a "Diplomat": "F&CK THE EU"

Former US Secretary of State Madeline Albright: 500,000 dead children is "worth it"

One should never put anything past these despicable "people".

[geek tragedy]

12. Lol @ Putin supporters nt

[nationalize the fed]

17. Lol @ spin artists

Laugh it up. While you and your buddies giggle like 14 year olds your treasury has been looted and your liberties stolen. My kids won't be working to pay the debt. ROFL & Har De Har Har.

If you're not with us you're against us:

One of the absolute worst things Obama has done is turn a bunch of wishy washy half hearted so called "Democrats" into full fledged Republicans. Happy War to you, not.

[geek tragedy]

20. That shit website you linked to praises

white supremacists as well as Putin.

Your citation of that site pretty much discredits you. As if pushing the Kremlin's laughable claim that the US ousted Yanukovych didn't already.

[hrmjustin]

15. Which TV networks should we watch then for news?

[hrmjustin]

21. Fair enough.

[nationalize the fed]

19. NBC of course

Or turn to CNN with their embedded PSYOP teams maybe.

CNN AND PSYOPS by Alexander Cockburn

Military personnel from the Fourth Psychological Operations Group based at Fort Bragg, in North Carolina, have until recently been working in CNN’s hq in Atlanta.

CNN is up in arms about our report in the last issue of CounterPunch concerning the findings of the Dutch journalist, Abe de Vries about the presence of US Army personnel at CNN, owned by Time-Warner. We cited an article by de Vries which appeared on February 21 in the reputable Dutch daily newspaper Trouw, originally translated into English and placed on the web by Emperor’s Clothes. De Vries reported that a handful of military personnel from the Third Psychological Operations Battalion, part of the airmobile Fourth Psychological Operations Group based at Fort Bragg, in North Carolina, had worked in CNN’s hq in Atlanta...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2000/03/26/cnn-and-psyops/

THE CIA AND THE MEDIA

How Americas Most Powerful News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency and Why the Church Committee Covered It Up

BY CARL BERNSTEIN

In 1953, Joseph Alsop, then one of America’s leading syndicated columnists, went to the Philippines to cover an election. He did not go because he was asked to do so by his syndicate. He did not go because he was asked to do so by the newspapers that printed his column. He went at the request of the CIA...
http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

[hrmjustin]

22. Do you watch any news on tv?

[Duckhunter935]

28. RT of course

[hrmjustin]

29. lol. I can't stand that network.

[BainsBane]

32. The truth has come out

The document exposing the Kremlin's plan has been published. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026288703

Yet you ignore it. Could it be you simply do not care that you are spreading false propaganda?

[Blue_Tires]

16. Stopped reading after the first sentence...

A new record...

[Blue_Tires]

25. I've posted them repeatedly on DU for the past several months

Please utilize the "search" function in the upper-right corner of your web browser...I ain't your goddamned personal web researcher, Mister "Just joined last week"...

[BainsBane]

33. Indeed. As does warmongering when all evidence shows

you are engaging in false propaganda. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026288703

You site no sources. You spew BS, the very talking points outlined in the Kremlin strategy paper. That doesn't take intellect.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

24. Hoo-boy.

From February 27, 2014 in Crimea:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/ukraine-pro-russian-gunmen-seize-crimea-parliament-live-updates?view=desktop#block-530efb46e4b0ddf5cbe7ba63

Dozens of pro-Russia gunmen have seized government buildings in Ukraine’s Crimea region, which houses Russia’s Black Sea fleet, and hoisted a Russian flag. They have also put up a sign saying “‘Crimea is Russia”.

A flash grenade was thrown in response to a question from a journalist but it is believed no one has been injured.

Maxim, a pro-Russian activist who refused to give his last name, told the Associated Press that he and other activists had been camping out overnight outside the local parliament in Crimea’s regional capital, Simferopol, when heavily armed men wearing flak jackets, and holding rocket-propelled grenade launchers and sniper rifles took over the building. He said:

Our activists were sitting there all night calmly, building the barricades. At 5 o’clock unknown men turned up and went to the building. They got into the courtyard and put everyone on the ground.

They were asking who we were. When we said we stand for the Russian language and Russia, they said: ‘Don’t be afraid, we’re with you.’ Then they began to storm the building bringing down the doors.

They didn’t look like volunteers or amateurs, they were professionals. This was clearly a well-organised operation. They did not allow anyone to come near. They seized the building, drove out the police, there were about six police officers inside.

Who are they? Nobody knows. It’s about 50-60 people, fully armed.

Yes. Yes, Russia did invade Ukraine.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

35. Oy.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/17/russia-putin-crimea-idUKL6N0N921H20140417

Putin admits Russian forces were deployed to Crimea

MOSCOW, April 17 Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:51am BST

(Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said Russian forces had been active in Crimea in order to support local defence forces, the first time he has admitted deployment of Russian troops on the Black Sea peninsula.

"We had to take unavoidable steps so that events did not develop as they are currently developing in southeast Ukraine," Putin said in a televised call-in with the nation. "Of course our troops stood behind Crimea's self-defence forces."

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Is that any better for you?

[BainsBane]

30. Actually the Kremlin planned the invasion before the Kiev government fell

A Russian paper has posted a Russian strategy paper outlining the whole plan, including the very talking points you are trying to spread here.

It not only invaded the Ukraine, it planned to do so before Yanukovych left Kiev. Today Putin event announced a special holiday to commemorate soldiers from the invasion.

Enough of the bullshit. The lies have been exposed. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026288703

"Novaya Gazeta" is publishing Russia’s plan for the annexation of a number of territories of Ukraine, which were drawn up when Yanukovych was still president of this country.

The document that has come into the possession of Novaya was presumably “brought in” to the Presidential Administration in the period between February 4 and February 12, 2014.

Now excerpts from the document:

2. Russia’s policy toward Ukraine must finally become pragmatic.

First, the regime of Viktor Yanukovych has gone totally bankrupt. Its political, diplomatic, financial, and information support from the Russian Federation is no longer meaningful.

Second, as a sporadic civil war in the form of urban guerrilla of the so-called “supporters of the Maidan” against the leadership of a number of the country’s eastern regions has become a fact, while the disintegration of the Ukrainian state along the line of geographical demarcation of regional alliances - “western regions plus Kyiv” and “eastern regions plus Crimea” - has become part of the political agenda, in these circumstances, Russia should in no way limit its policy toward Ukraine only to attempts to influence the political situation in Kyiv and the relationship of a systemic opposition (A. Yatsenyuk, V. Klitschko, O. Tyagnybok, P . Poroshenko, etc.) with the European Commission.

Third, in an almost complete paralysis of the central government, unable to form a responsible government even facing threats of default and of Naftogaz lacking funds to pay for Russian gas, Russia is simply obliged to get involved in the geopolitical intrigue of the European Community directed against the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

First of all, this is because otherwise our country risks losing not only the Ukrainian energy market, but also indirect control over Ukraine’s gas transportation system, which is much more dangerous. This will endanger the position of Gazprom in Central and Southern Europe, causing huge damage to our country’s economy.

3. The Constitution of Ukraine is in no case able to provide for a mechanism that could legitimately initiate the integration of Ukraine’s eastern territories and Crimea into the state-legal framework of the Russian Federation.

. . .
Current events in Kyiv convincingly show that the Yanukovych’s time in power could end at any moment. Thus, there is less and less time for an appropriate Russian response. The number of dead in riots in the capital of Ukraine is direct evidence of the inevitability of civil war and the impossibility of reaching consensus if Yanukovych remains president. In these circumstances, it seems appropriate to play along the centrifugal aspirations of the various regions of the country, with a view to initiate the accession of its eastern regions to Russia, in one form or another. Crimea and Kharkiv region should become the dominant regions for making such efforts, as there already exist reasonably large groups there that support the idea of maximum integration with Russia.

4. Of course, taking the burden of supporting Crimea and several eastern territories, Russia will be forced to take on budget expenses, which would be cumbersome in the country’s present position.

Undoubtedly, this will affect macroeconomic stability and the prospects for economic growth. However, geopolitically, the prize will be invaluable: our country will gain access to new demographic resources, highly qualified industry and transport personnel will be at its disposal. In addition, it can count on the emergence of new eastward Slavic migration flows - as opposed to the Central Asian migration trends. The industrial potential of the Eastern Ukraine, including the military-industrial sector, once included in the Russian military-industrial complex, will allow for the faster and more successful implementation of the program of rearmament of Russia’s military forces.

What is equally important, Russia’s constructive, “smoothing” participation in the highly probable disintegration of the Ukrainian state will not only give new impetus to the Kremlin’s integration project, but will also allow our country to retain control over Ukraine’s gas transportation system, as mentioned above. And at the same time, it will allow there to be significant changes in the geopolitical situation in Central and Eastern Europe, allowing Russia to regain its major role there.

5. To start the process of a “pro-Russian drift” of Crimea and eastern Ukrainian territories, events should be created beforehand that can support this process with political legitimacy and moral justification; also a PR-strategy should be built that draws attention to the forced, reactive nature of the actions of Russia and the pro-Russian political elites of southern and eastern Ukraine.

Read more on UNIAN: http://www.unian.info/politics/1048525-novaya-gazetas-kremlin-papers-article-full-text-in-english.html

[SidDithers]

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