So, what's the next Hillary is bad meme we will read?

[MineralMan]

There are so many that the right wing cooked up, that there's an almost endless supply out there on the Internet.

Any day now, I expect to hear that Bill isn't Chelsea's dad or that Hillary had people murdered or that HRC is a secret lesbian. How long will it take for someone to Google up that nonsense and other rumors, half-truths and slander? I suspect we're going to hear it all again. No matter how much positive information about Clinton gets posted, someone will find anything they can try to use against her.

Did Hillary vote for the Patriot Act? Why yes, along with all but one other Senator. Odd, huh?

[randys1]

1. I did hear she beats her domestic help, with her old rabbit ears from her old television.

[politicman]

6. Why can't you guys just admit that Hillary bows down before the 1%?

Actually, no need to make up stories about her when we have an endless supply of real stuff to hate about her.

She should be rightly called from now on the third-way shill of corporate America

[randys1]

10. And none of that has anything to do with the following:

Since I am likely not going to be able to vote for my candidate in November 16, Bernie Sanders, I will vote for WHOEVER the dem candidate is because if a repub takes the WH and and House and Senate, they will overturn Roe and kill Women (after appointing SC justice obviously)

and they will kill all civil rights and voting rights and other stuff

kinda simple for me

[politicman]

30. its simple for me too, i wont vote for Hillary no matter what

And its also simple for me, if Hillary becomes the nominee, then I will be staying home on election day.

I'm done voting for a corporate shill, either the party recognises what we stand for and gives us a left candidate or the party finds someone else to make up for my not voting.


I am progressive, I believe in progressive ideas that help the 99%, I'm done being controlled by the 1% who give us a choice of 2 corporate shills to choose from every 4 years.

I'm done helping the 1% destroy our democracy little by little every 4 years voting for 'the lesser evil candidate', I'm done being complicit in giving the 1% more and more control over our lives by continuing to fall into the trap they have set for us where we vote to give them what they want.

[HuckleB]

33. Yes, let's make the world worse, because we can't make it perfect!

I totally agree!

Er, uh, wait. What? Hmmmmmmm.

[politicman]

45. then dont give us another corporate shill...

It is you third-way dems that will be making the world worse.

Learn the lessons of the past and don't put up another corporate shill for the white house, because that will just end up causing a civil war in the democratic party.

You have had control of the party for a long time now and the party just keeps bowing down to the 1% more and more.

If you third-way dems still believe that worshipping corporate America will benefit you, then go ahead and nominate Hillary, who knows the 1% may surprise you and throw a few more crumbs your way for you to keep the belief going.

[HuckleB]

62. You have no idea what my politics may be.

Yet, you just labeled me. That tells me that you're not someone who cares about making things better. You want to be right, and what works and improves things, well, F-that. Lame sauce.

VERY LAME SAUCE.

[treestar]

42. You're not going to vote for any of the other offices either?

Congress, state offices?

[politicman]

46. depends on who the candidate represents, the 99% or the 1%.

I'm going to try a new radical concept, I will be voting for a candidate if I feel that candidate represents the 99%.

If no candidate can fit that description, then they will not get my vote.

If a candidate for any office wants my vote from now on, then they will have to earn it by standing up for the 99% rather than bowing down to the 1%.

[randys1]

43. Understood, I will work overtime to find a Woman or Gay person or Minority to voteq

in your place, someone who will be directly effected by rightwing president

[politicman]

48. how very noble of you, ha

Oh that's great of you, find a minority to replace my vote by convincing that person to choose to vote for minority issues that favour them WHILST at the very same time voting for to make themselves even more of a slave to the 1%.

Cause that what will happen if they vote for a Hillary presidency.

How very noble of you, ha

[randys1]

50. Slave? Dear god. if you only understood what you just said

[politicman]

53. well, what would you call teh following:

Well what do you call working 2 and 3 jobs just to be able to live while every year your wage keeps going down, and all the while the 1% getting favourable legislation from Congress and the White House to keep raking in all-time profits?

Not to mention, continuing the cycle of giving the 1% even more power every election cycle to continue to have more and more control of our lives through our finances.

[HuckleB]

63. It's an anecdote, and it sucks for those who face that reality.

It does not make your "solution" viable in any way. No one even knows what your "solution" is, other than the fact that it's only approved by you, and no compromise is allowed.

[Hekate]

72. "Whilst" and "favourable" -- where exactly do you live that you are so dismissive of my country's...

Last edited Wed Mar 4, 2015, 01:25 AM - Edit history (1)

...future?

Or, if you are an import, all I can say is people who choose to move here are usually more optimistic and hopeful than the rest of us. Not less.

[arcane1]

52. FINALLY I see a post on DU that suggests not voting as an option

I've seen thread after thread claiming these posts were out here. Now at last I've seen one.

One.

It's still a stupid idea. You perhaps don't appreciate how much your vote counts at the local level.

[politicman]

57. i get how imprtant votes are, that why i want a candidate to earn it

Oh I appreciate that every single vote counts and I believe that every vote is sacred, and that why I want to use my vote for the good of the 99%, not to keep legitimising the control the 1% has over our party and the country.

If any candidate whether it be at local level or national level can convince me that that are fighting for the 99% with their policy decisions, then they will get my vote. If they cant, then they wont get my vote.

Its as simple as that, a candidate needs to earn my vote by doing the right thing by the 99%, the days of them getting my vote simply because they have a 'D' next to their name is over, especially since that 'D' means nothing now that the 1% have control of the 'D' party.

[arcane1]

60. I can't argue with that!

[Katashi_itto]

70. Two. I won't vote for her either. I am in the waffle party.

Plan on waffles election day.

[OKNancy]

34. because she doesn't

do you actually know her record on economic matters?

[politicman]

37. oh yes she is.

I know that she has bowed down before the 1% when it came to the keystone vote?

I know that she has bowed down to the MIC 1% when it came to the Iraq war vote, and other 'interventions' since then.

I know that all her campaign funds come from the 1%, hmm, I wonder what strings come attached with that money.

Need I go on?


Wake up will ya, Hillary doesn't even hide the fact that she bows down to corporate America.

[Thinkingabout]

55. Do you know from where Warren campaign funds come?

Are you against minimum wage increases? Are you anti choice? Are you against healthcare? are you happy with wage disparity? Do you like the no-bid contracts given to KBR? Are you happy companies moving off shore to avoid paying taxes?

The list goes on and on, don't know if you are interested in reading her reord but Ican say I have provided you the link to read it.

http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

[politicman]

61. the 1% will give their preferred candidate the most money, do you understand that

A true sign of a corporate shill is a candidate that can raise the most money from the 1%.

Are you so nieve to believe that the 1% will throw so much money towards one candidate if they did not believe that they will be handsomely repaid through policies that benefit them?

Isnt that the argument we used against Romney when his campaign was entirely funded by the 1%, so why is it any different when it comes to Hillary?

[blue neen]

71. .

1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%1%

[arcane1]

2. The "Bill isn't Chelsea's dad" thing is already out there.

I saw something to that effect on Facebook recently. lol

[uppityperson]

13. some troll tried bringing it here last week

They didn't last long, for some odd reason.

[treestar]

49. LOL

Of course they've already tried that one!

[hrmjustin]

3. Hillary is really one of the Lizard people that control the world.

[uponit7771]

21. +1

[Motown_Johnny]

4. that she had the most impassioned speech in favor of the Iraq War

that she claimed to run from sniper fire when she was actually given flowers and read poems by children

that she used the primary voters of Michigan and Florida as play things during the '08 campaign

that Americans have not voted a former Sec. of State into the White House since Buchanan

that the only campaign she has ever won was for her Senate seat in a state that almost no (D) could lose


as you say, an almost endless list

[misterhighwasted]

11. Or that she really is the one behind the push for vaginal ultrasounds via SKYPE..

And all she promotes on behalf of women, LGBT, minorities & young adults & kids education & health is all a big coverup to get people to vote for her & her real agenda is to support the GoP dream of a slave state right here in the USA..

I just bet that's it..just has to be cuz we all know she is really a (wait for it...)
REPUBLICAN !!! ohhh noooes

Edit to add:

[Motown_Johnny]

67. Was that an attempt at sarcasm?

If so, it was a really bad one.

You do know that everything I claimed in my post was accurate... right?


Maybe enlighten yourself a bit, then try to respond to the facts instead of doing a really poor Stephen Colbert imitation.

[misterhighwasted]

68. Thanks for pointing that erroe out. Edit for "sarcasm".

Enlighten myself?? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahaa
No I am just fine.
Goodbye & good night

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. Are these things 'cooked up' or did they actually happen?

Is it a lie that HRC used personal emails instead of the official ones? Is it a lie that she voted for the Patriot Act or war with Iraq? You seem to be conflating things that really happened with strawmen you're making up, such as 'secret lesbians'. Isn't that a rather dishonest tactic?

[merrily]

15. Mentioning her Patriot Act vote, but not her Iraq War speech and vote is not a commendable tactic,

either.

[nichomachus]

7. So she voted for the Patriot Act "because all the other kids did it"

Doesn't sound like a leader to me.

[treestar]

51. I doubt that's her reason

Face it, the whole country was insane at that point in time.

[merrily]

8. Odd you left out her Iraq War vote, which was far worse than her Patriotic Act vote-and

that was bad.

The Iraq War vote alone more than suffices. The speech puts her way over the top.

And, yes, I know she recently finally said it was a mistake. But, when I comes to a war vote that killed and mamed thousands and displaced maybe over 100,000, "oops" doesn't cut it.

If other Dem Senators who voted for the war and the Patriot Act were running for President and Duers praised their votes while ignoring Hillary's you might have a point about the votes of other Dem Senators. As it is, their votes are not relevant to this Presidential primary season.

She, however, does seem to be running. And what is more relevant to a Presidential wannabe that judgment about taking the nation into war?

[1StrongBlackMan]

9. Better, but more indelicate question ...

So, what's the next Hillary is bad meme will we read, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat, again, on DU?

I'm sorry, the enemy of my enemy is still [strke] my enemy adds up to BENGAZI!!!.

[merrily]

17. I'm sorry that you post as though Hillary were the only enemy of Republicans.

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. Not what I posted. n/t

[merrily]

28. You've made a number of posts on Hillary threads about the enemy of your enemy.

Seemed like the logical implication was that Hillary is the enemy of your enemy.

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. I'm sorry ...

I misunderstood what you were saying. HRC, in fact, an enemy of my enemy ... the entire gop.

But I was talking about those repeating arguments from rw blogs.

[merrily]

38. Ah, yes, mineral man's OP, associating critics of Hillary with with right wing bloggers who

apparently blame her for voting for the Patriot Act.

Well, good luck with all that.

But, whether or not Hillary is the enemy of the GOP, and I personally don't think she is the GOP fiercest enemy,, she is far from the only enemy of the GOP. And I hope like anything that other Democrats run in the primary and beat her Third Ways to Sunday.

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. In the immortal words of a pillar of DU ...

"Watch out for those flying goal posts!"

The neither the OP, nor the rw blogs being quoted from, mention the P-Act.

But you may have a point ... what does rand say? Maybe, that's behind / beneath this?

[merrily]

59. The OP mentioning the Patriot Act is a flying goal post?

From the OP:

Did Hillary vote for the Patriot Act? Why yes, along with all but one other Senator. Odd, huh?

In any event, as you no doubt realized, the point of my prior comment was not whether or not the OP mentioned the Patriot Act anyway.

I have no clue what Rand said relative to "behind/beneath us" and also no clue what you are trying to convey to me by adverting to Rand. But, it's okay. I probably won't find Rand persuasive either.

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. Okay; but I could help but note ...

I wrote:

But you may have a point ... what does rand say? Maybe, that's behind / beneath this?

You responded:

I have no clue what Rand said relative to "behind/beneath us"

Freud would have a field day!

[merrily]

65. See? I told you I had no clue what Rand said. And, then I proved it, LOL!

I guess flying goalposts are not the only thing to watch out for.

[NYC_SKP]

12. No need, really, to make things up about her. She's got plenty of legitimate baggage.

And her talk of bipartisanship, a warm purple place, is a futile attempt to diffuse it.

[wyldwolf]

14. I don't know but whatever they are...

Some on DU Will swear they are true until the bitter end

[merrily]

18. So, she didn't give a speech favoring invasion of Iraq?

[wyldwolf]

22. If the right-wing making that claim?

I've not heard.

[merrily]

26. No clue. Your post mentioned DUers and most DUers who oppose her "swear" she advocated for that war.

I'm pretty sure they are correct to "swear" that "to the bitter end."

[wyldwolf]

29. The OP specifically says right wing

Try to keep up.

[merrily]

32. The reply of mine to which you responded was a reply to your post about made up things that DUers

would swear to. Sorry you can't see the link between that post of yours and my reply, especially since the Op mentioned things that Hillary definitely did, no matter who claims it, like voting for the Patriot Act.

[leveymg]

31. You saying she didn't speak to support the Iraq War AUF?

What's this, then?

[Rex]

16. I love watching the center-right wings heads exploding over this!

[merrily]

24. I don't know about heads exploding but the pretense that DU objects to her because of

things like alleged orientation or Vince Foster, is pretty divorced from reality and divorcing oneself from reality is not a good sign.

[Rex]

27. Yes show me one serious post that says she had Vince Foster killed on DU. None it is all hype.

People here love to pretend two issues are the same when it comes to defending their pony. Like I said I LOVE watching the center-right wing heads around here show their moral fauxrage about something I know they don't give two shits about!

That they now throw in crap like Foster etc.. is par the course for the center-right wing.

[uponit7771]

19. HILLARY SHOT ABE LINCOLN DAMMIT!!!!! / sarcasm <--- cause this is need round here these days

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. She DID have people murdered! Have you forgotten about Vince Foster?

I'm not a Hillary fan, but I'd rather not help the GOPers with their dirty work.

[JHB]

44. Vince Foster changed the Benghazi talking points!

The emails "hide" her ordering him to do it and then arranging to meet him for a lesbian tryst! In a park!

And you can't just dismiss it! It's on the Internet! You couldn't read this otherwise!!!!





But because we live in parody-proof times, I must add:

[louis-t]

23. I hear she picks her nails with a nail file.

[brooklynite]

35. Hillary a lesbian? check...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/hillary-clinton-lesbian/

Hillary had people killed? check...

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/former-hillary-associate-claims-personal-hit-man-admits-killing-money/

[morningfog]

40. It depends of what other failures on judgment and leadership

Have yet to be discussed. Of course, there will be more to be made in the future too.

And no doubt she will say some more incredibly out of touch things.

Especially when she finally decides to announce.

[Autumn]

41. I'm sure that the House Oversight Committee and the media will be pretty busy

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-03/house-oversight-committee-to-explore-clinton-s-e-mail-use-chairman-says

They LOVE exploring the Clinton's. Jeb? Not so much. But that's how the pukes roll.

[randome]

47. I hear she clips her toenails in her office! That's some mean-spiritedness right there!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[KamaAina]

54. The right has been on both the murder (Vince Foster) and the lesbian thing for decades.

[guillaumeb]

56. my response is not exactly on point

to your post, but summarizes many of the responses I have read here and elsewhere.

To wit, and with respect to Calvin Trillin of the Nation:


To the pillory, with that Hillary!
Never liberal enough for you and me

She was a member, don’t you remember,
When much younger voted for the GOP

No Lizzie Warren, is our Hillary
She’s a neo-lib and not like you and me

She is no Sanders, they say she panders
To her fellow Dems that form the DLC

She's weak on race, some make that case
but better overall than Sarah P

But if you don’t vote, hope it’s understood
That the perfect just might drive out any good.

[Blue_Tires]

58. She's a scrotum-stomping man-hater?

[MineralMan]

66. Thanks for all the replies, everyone.

I had to shovel snow and stuff. Life continues...

[Hekate]

69. Recyclers are hard at work dredging up the past and twisting the present

Why just last night at DU I read that Bill was an awful philanderer who deserved what he got from the VRWC, and that Hillary is an awful person for sticking with him.