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By Paul McLeary 4:31 p.m. EST March 3, 2015
WASHINGTON The US Army is preparing to send approximately 300 troops at a time to train Ukrainian forces in western Ukraine, according to documents posted on a government contracting site.
A solicitation posted in late February said that the US government is looking for a contractor to provide seven 50-passenger buses from March 5 through Oct. 31 for the purpose of ferrying up to 300 US troops from the L'viv International airport to the International Peace Keeping and Security Center at the Yavoriv training range in the far west of Ukraine.
It's been no secret that US and a handful of UK forces have been planning on traveling to Yavoriv this spring to begin training Ukrainian forces for their fight against pro-Russian separatists in the eastern part of the country. But officials have at times been vague as to dates and times and numbers.
The solicitation also states that "the US and Ukrainian Army shall conduct a joint training mission at the International Peacekeeping and Security Center (IPSC) near L'viv, Ukraine from approximately 5 MAR - 31 OCT 15."
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http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense-news/blog/intercepts/2015/03/03/ukraine-russia-putin-war/24327263/
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)from ~20 seconds on...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and our guys will be able to stay home...
Matariki
(18,775 posts)good job
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Really we will. Besides, it's just 300 troops. Advisors, really. Hardly anything at all. Probably more than enough to resolve whatever problem it is we're trying to solve. In fact, truth be told, one American soldier would probably accomplish the mission.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)This really is a big tent. I'll stay on the left side of the tent, that being ok with you.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)But Putin slaughtering Ukrainians for almost a year = Not as bad
Perhaps you need to adjust your compass...
Oh, and in case you haven't been keeping up with the news, photographic evidence from the bloggers and freelancers on the ground indicates the Russian forces are preparing to launch another offensive...
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I personally don't think it's a great idea to go to war with Russia. You do.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)before he sets his sights on Warsaw...
If there's been this little resistance so far, what's stopping him??
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)In fact, that seems to be Putin's primary motivation: take as much of Ukraine as possible, especially Crimea, before a pro-Western Ukrainian government joins NATO.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Human rights groups have long pointed to both sides indiscriminately shelling civilian cities & it was rebel groups on one side, IE Ukrainians themselves rather than Putin. He provided supply & aid but it is hardly Ukraine vs Russia. More like West Ukraine vs East Ukraine. All supplying the troops would do is accelerate the slaughtering.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)pushed this far west on their own??
I guess they taught themselves modern battlefield tactics and how to proficiently operate armored vehicles, tanks, artillery, explosives, etc. etc? There has also been an unexplained population boom in East Ukraine, since a whole lot of battle hardened "separatists" are milling around the neighborhood masquerading as "locals"...
Did you miss the part where Russia was shelling Ukraine from within it's own border?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Why would miners be interested in fighting Ukrainian government?
Mining safety problem
Further information: 2007 Zasyadko mine disaster and 2008 Ukraine coal mine collapse
Ukrainian coal miners have to risk their lives every time they go to work since their job is extremely dangerous. The coal mines of Donbas are one of the most hazardous in the world due to enormous working depths (down from 300 to 1200 m) as a result of natural depletion, as well as due to high levels of methane explosion, coal dust explosion and rock burst dangers. As the Economic Review points out, "Since 1991, up to 300 [miners] have died at work every year".[9][9][10]
On 17 December 2013 an accident at the Sviato-Pokrovska Mine (in Donetsk Oblast) killed four miners.[11]
On 17 February 2014 a firedamp explosion in the Pivnichna Saltivka mine (in Donetsk Oblast), killed seven workers 815 meters underground.[12]
Corruption and illegal mining
Ukrainian mines are sometimes run by mafia-like organizations. Often, these organizations derive large incomes from the mines that belong to the government. As a result, underfinancing causes many employees to have to wait to receive their monthly salary for weeks or even months. Additionally, a lack of financing influences the condition of many coal mines. Old mines dont receive the necessary financial aid, therefore they are not being renovated or remodeled annually. All these problems together with other challenges have resulted in "gradually declining production capacity and a loss of global market share".[13]
In the Donets Basin there are many extremely dangerous illegal mines.[2][14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_Ukraine
All you have to do is look at every political map since 1991 to see why the 2 sides don't get along, not to mention the corruption.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Bad bad idea.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Ukraine needs all the help it can get when under attack by the vastly larger Russian armed forces.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)before you go.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Personally, I think this is a toe-hold too far.
If Goldman Sachs wants to loan money for arms, and the Ukrainians are stupid enough to sign the mortgage, then Goldman Sachs should cough up a bit more money so Xe/Blackwater/Academi/ whatever alias can handle the training contract.
But ALL the risk should rest on Goldman Sachs investors.