The plot thickens. Hillary ran a bootleg ISP out of her house to handle her email.

[nichomachus]

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails-081111269--politics.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The computer server that transmitted and received Hillary Clinton's official emails when she was secretary of state traced back to an residential Internet service registered to her family's home in Chappaqua (CHAP'-uh-kwah), New York.

Internet records reviewed by The Associated Press disclosed the service registered to the Clinton home.

The practice of Clinton, a likely Democratic presidential candidate, physically running her own email as a Cabinet-level official is highly unusual.

She has not described her motivation for using a private email account or her own private email server. Most individuals who operate their own email servers are technical experts or users so concerned about issues of privacy and surveillance they take matters into their own hands.

Well that sounds really secure. But I thought the reason she didn't use the government service was because she is technically unsavvy and it was too hard.

[msanthrope]

1. Didn't we already do this thread today? nt

[Android3.14]

47. Well, some of us have to wait until later in the day

...to enjoy DU.

We don't have the luxury (or is it the job) of posting all day long.

Hope you understand.

[BP2]

57. Yeah, you're right. It's "Hillary's turn." We should all just look the other way, right? n/t

[KamaAina]

2. "Internet records reviewed by AP disclosed the service registered to the Clinton home."

What would that be? A whois search? So this is all about her not using GoDaddy to register a domain?

[leftofcool]

3. Pretty much!

[Maedhros]

58. No, it's about State Department communications being sent from and stored

on an unsecure server.

I couldn't do that for my job - I'd be breaking a number of privacy laws and would be fired for negligence.

[trumad]

4. More yawn.

[aquart]

5. "Plot" "bootleg"? Well, isn't that special.

Personally, I'm going to guess the security of a perpetually-guarded EX-PRESIDENT'S HOME is always going to be a bit more secure than yours or mine.

And we both know there's no way Hillary did that tech shit herself. I'm an experienced, educated user and I couldn't set that up.

This is going to be a long, annoying political season. Perhaps it's time to learn yoga. Or meditation.

[NightWatcher]

6. I used to run my website and email out of my home

If I ever have a site again, I'll do it that way again. It's how you control your business.

[RufusTFirefly]

7. Pssst! The Secretary of State isn't a business owner. S/he's a public servant.

We're talking about OUR democracy here, not someone's decidedly undemocratic, profit-oriented adventure.

Surely you understand the distinction.

[Autumn]

13. That's the American Peoples business, not Hillary's business.

She works for the people.

[RufusTFirefly]

15. Unfortunately, our minds, like so many of our public spaces and services, have been privatized

People no longer seem to appreciate the distinction between government and business.

Perhaps because there is none.

"Democracy has become a business plan, with a bottom line for every human activity, every dream, every decency, every hope." -- John Pilger

[Autumn]

18. I agree. The politicians certainly act like it's a business. A Chicken Ranch Business.

Pardon the expression if you don't know what a Chicken Ranch is here is the info on the Texas Chicken Ranch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Ranch_%28Texas%29

[RufusTFirefly]

20. I knew what the term meant, but I wasn't aware of its origin

Thanks!

[MannyGoldstein]

41. I was aware of what it was, but not

that it's an expression.

No, I am not taking questions at this time.

[RufusTFirefly]

56. Well, I don't know why a no chicken; I'm a stranger here myself.

[Scootaloo]

52. Now I have to go watch that movie

'Cause all I'm gonna hear in my head until I do is Jim Nabors going "It's a Japanese slingshot!"

[Autumn]

53. This sentence here is so apt when it comes to the way Congress seems to be doing business

prostitution was endemic in the local saloons, but no official records were kept

I still like the idea of them having to wear jackets with "sponsors" labels sewn on


"It's a Japanese slingshot!"

[longship]

8. The "bootleg" description is odious.

Anybody can run their own server. There's nothing bootleg about it. When I lived in a SoCal I hosted my own domain name server, mail server, Web server, and even experimented with a VOIP server. All one needs is symmetric bandwidth and a static IP address. It all ran beautifully.

Nothing bootleg about it.

[RufusTFirefly]

11. Official U.S. government communications are supposed to occur on government e-mail accounts

We're not talking about your home-based business here.

We're talking about the accountability of public servants.

Anyone who has worked with or for a public servant knows they go to great lengths to adhere rules for communication. For example, if you are running for office, you can not use your government e-mail account for campaign purposes. Similarly, if you are conducting the nation's business, you should not be using a private account for your communications.

Try putting the shoe on the other foot, and perhaps you will have a better appreciation for the gravity of the situation:

Emails link Scott Walker to secret email system

Madison — Thousands of documents unsealed Wednesday link Gov. Scott Walker to a secret email system used in his office that would avoid public scrutiny when he was Milwaukee County executive.
...
Walker used his campaign email to communicate with his county aides, who frequently used their own private email accounts when interacting with Walker or his campaign — all of which would shield their discussions from the public.

[Blue_Tires]

22. I thought the term was "homebrewed" or something?

[longship]

25. Well, I don't think Hillary administrated her own sendmail server.

Like I did. But it is not a difficult thing to do. I am sure Secy Clinton could easily have the resources to find somebody to put up a mail server and provide bandwidth to support it.

Plus, from what I have recently read right here on DU, the State Department has somewhat notorious unreliable e-mail infrastructure.

So, I do not blame her on this.

And BTW, it does not take much to secure an e-mail server. Believe me.

[Rex]

63. Nor was it an illegal server! The author of the piece should be ashamed of using that word.

People are more likely to have a bootleg still in their back 40. A bootleg server...why not just call her a hacker?

[longship]

64. Apparently some people think that the Internet is a whole owned commercial endeavor.

You have to get a permission note to participate.

NOT!

Everybody has permission. That's the best thing about the Internet and Net Neutrality.

All one does is buy symmetric bandwidth and a static IP and you are good to go. Put up all the servers and services you want. No worries.

Easy peasy!

[Rex]

66. True, with a self-help book even the layman can set up a server with DHCP.

Some have this notion that all servers are mainframes like you see in the movies (think Iron Man) and only NASA can build and implement them.

[longship]

68. Shit! Who needs mainframes these days.

All the supercomputers in the world use game console processors and standard microcomputer chips. Main frames are dead iron.

My favorite supercomputer handles the ALMA radio telescope (Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array):
?1347910873

It is at over 5,000 meters altitude in the Chilean Andes. The supercomputer that controls it is called the ALMA correlator with 134 million processors and is at the antenna site at 5,000 meters (about 16,500 feet) in the Andes. The air is so thin that they have special cooling to keep the computer from burning itself out.


I love technology and big science!

[Rex]

69. Ha true! Look at me dating myself!

You think anyone uses FORTRAN anymore? God I am a fossil!

[Rex]

61. Calling it 'bootleg' is total embelishment by the author. Unless she bought and ran an illegal

server...which nobody is saying.

[BainsBane]

26. Both of my siblings have them

I think that's what it is. Their emails go to @theirlastname. They aren't plotting to take over the world. They work from home and do their banking and that sort of thing.

I don't really know what they mean by bootleg, but it's pretty clear some want to spin this to be as nefarious as possible, which is what I would expect from the GOP but it's beneath Democrats.

[longship]

35. That is exactly why I posted my response.

And many here do not understand the concept of running and administrating an Internet server. So the "bootleg" description seems nefarious, when it isn't.

It ain't that difficult if one understands Internet protocols and the fact that one absolutely should not run Microsoft server software, let alone any other proprietary servers.

Then, it is pretty simple.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

9. OMG this is HUGH !!! SERIES !!!

[Bobbie Jo]

10. Oh noes!!

Concern noted.

[hrmjustin]

12. I am sorry but I just can't get worked up about this.

[nichomachus]

14. If it's no big deal

Why are there 50 threads on DU saying that it's no big deal.

Sounds like it might just be a big deal.

[hrmjustin]

16. There are 50 threads saying it is no big deal?

I must of missed them. I did see some could hardly contain their glee that this story broke,

[nichomachus]

17. I have to laugh

thinking of what the poutrage would be in DU had the Bush family been running it's own ISP out of Walker Point and running all Bush's government email through their own servers.

People here would have blood spurting from their ears.

The hypocrisy is incredible.

[m-lekktor]

19. I agree. nt

[BainsBane]

28. Well, my family members run them

Lots of people do. I could care less if the Bushes did.

I really don't think you're in a position to talk about hypocrisy when you make a point of excusing far more egregious actions by Putin. Would you be happier if Clinton had her rivals gunned down in from of the Capitol, or if she had Ken Starr poisoned with Polonium-210? Would that make her the kind of leader worth admiring--a real man?

[Man from Pickens]

33. your family is not running a federal department

definitely not running a federal department that is at the nexus of every national security issue there is

and their business dealings are not by law the property of the federal government (and thus in turn public property).

[BainsBane]

44. Secretary Kerry is the first to use the state.gov

email exclusively, according to State. The first. That is because the laws and protocol only recently, and after Clinton left office, went into effect. That means Rice, Powell, Albirght, and everyone else since the dawn of email used their private email for State business.

[11 Bravo]

54. Oh you and your damn facts! C'mon, get with the program!

It's Hillary, and she must be demonized!

[Gidney N Cloyd]

30. They ran their government email through the RNC servers.

[uponit7771]

37. So you advocate the POTUS go through a commercial ISP?! ..mmmmmmmmmmmmmk... I"ll keep that

... under hat

[frylock]

43. yep

IDWADDI

[TwilightGardener]

45. Swarming to protect the queen, is all.

[Fla Dem]

21. I suspect that as her husband is a former US President, the Secret Service set up that

server and made very sure it was secure. No doubt HRC also used it for that very reason. Seeing as there was no law/regulation in place while HRC was SoS that required her to use a government email service, this is just more bull pucky from the right.

[Adrahil]

23. Bootleg? I know a number of folks who run their own servers.

It's not illegal to do so.

It's probably more secure to have a private server with limited access, than it is to have your email routed through some commercial ISP. No risk of it being intercepted at the ISP that way.

[Doctor_J]

29. are they cabinet members or other federal public servants?

If not I think your post might be in the wrong thread

[uponit7771]

36. People who are in IT see that other folk who aren't don't undersatnd the tech or are being very

... disingenuous if they do.

IF she were running ANY of her email through a commercial ISP that would be ANOTHER head line

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

55. And people who are really tech savvy

realize that hosting your own servers at home doesn't really make you an 'ISP'. I ran my own webserver, database server, and mail server at home for years without ever being an 'ISP' - where the P stands for 'provider', as in you're doing things like hosting for OTHER people and charging them money for the 'Service'.

[uponit7771]

34. RIGHT!! This is another stupid article ... they'd have another head line if she were going through..

... a commercial ISP

[spanone]

24. i knew BENGHAZI was just the tip of the iceberg

[uponit7771]

27. WOW!!!!... Hillary Clinton had a static IP address associated with her ISP contract... WOW!!!!!

... next thing we'll know Hillary also used a tooth brush...

FUD and haters will jump all over this story........................................... too....

sigh

People

"...physically running her own email ..."

Doesn't mean shit... this is another half truth article like the last one...

If you have a dedicated line to a server or service you're most likely going to have an IP address that doesn't change often or ever...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Hi

[TerrapinFlyer]

32. Triple Yawn...

Hillary is not my first choice, but I might make her my first choice based on the idiocy here on DU.

[SMC22307]

38. Speaking of idiocy -- your basis for choosing a candidate.

[GusBob]

39. I, for one, find this topic extremely important

I *really hope* to read about it several times a day for the next 9 years or so

signed,

GusBob*

* unofficial DU glutton for masochistic punishment

[Number23]

48. Well done, Gus! If you're a "glutton for masochistic punishment" you are DEFINITELY

in the right place!!

GD has gotten so bad that people have actually started trashing this forum. I think of all of the political "scandals" that have caused this forum to get overexcited over the years, this is definitely one of the most lame.

It's not nearly as stupid as the "Obama admin was in the pockets of the banks and that's why bankers got the H1N1 vaccine before everyone else in NY" or as moronic as the "Obama's sicced the DHS on Occupy" but what it lacks in dumbness it more than makes for in lameness.

[onenote]

40. "Bootleg"? In what sense?

[LanternWaste]

42. What specifically leads you call it 'bootleg'?

Other than an irrational bias, what specifically leads you call it 'bootleg'?

[AtomicKitten]

46. Convenient way around FOIA.

[RufusTFirefly]

49. Bingo! You're a winner!

Have a cigar!



It's not about having a reliable e-mail server. It's about circumventing oversight.

[AtomicKitten]

50. !!!

[azmom]

71. Yep, and apparently both parties have been

Doing it for a while now. It's shameful.

[HereSince1628]

51. And when DU finally gets into the John Doe investigation of Scott Walker

they will find out it was about running a non-government alternate email system...


It's a shame every time we find an R doing terrible shit, we can't act because it looks like something done by a D.

[RufusTFirefly]

59. Bingo! And don't get me started about O'Liely's fantasies about being in a war zone

Why couldn't he simply have explained that he was sleep deprived?
That risible explanation worked for someone we know.

Some politicians and public figures are brought down by tiny scandals. Others survive gigantic ones. It's all a matter of news management and manufacturing consent.

[Rex]

60. She was worried about the CIA spying on her as a former senator.

So they (her IT team) built their own exchange server and ran it out of the house. That's what my current is going with.

[LiberalElite]

62. Maybe someone set it up for her nt

[Maedhros]

65. The primary issue is security.

A mail server operated out of Hillary's residence is not behind a State Department firewall, hence it is vulnerable to intrusion. It is irresponsible to conduct State Department communications from an unsecure mail server.

A secondary issue is that such communications would likely be missed if a legal records hold were imposed as the result of an inquiry or investigation.

[RufusTFirefly]

70. Hate to sound like a cynic, but I'll bet the secondary issue drove the decision. n/t

[Java]

67. Email and Servers

Classified Information is confined to SIPRNET and is to reside ONLY on classified systems hooked up to SIPRNET.

Unclassified Information is confined to an Unclassified Network of servers, however both the Network and the Servers have a lot of safeguards as mandated by IS policy and implemented using STIGs which are authored by the NSA.
All email traffic over unsecure networks that contain unclassified information yet is FOUO or PII is to be encrypted using approved asymmetric encryption algorithms with PKI keys.

Desktop and Laptop computers are supposed to be CAC enabled where the CAC card has a PKI certificate. Servers also have their own PKI certificates.

So...question...what are the IA security details concerning:
(a.) Hillary's personal network
(b.) Her Server
(c.) Encryption Algorithms used to secure email message contents
(d.) User Authentication
(e.) What are the backup (Archival) policies? How often are Server backups made? Are the backup copies stored in a separate facility in case of fire or other disaster in order to insure CONOPs?

With Government records....all of these things have to be done, including doing security IA audits of both the server and the network.

And again as mentioned in another thread...emails used for government purposes constitute government records including any and all data on servers used for Government business.

There is a "Policy Firewall" between using personally owned equipment and government equipment for government business.

People are to adhere to security and IA policies in order to safeguard information. It doesn't matter if they are Democrat, Republican or Martian. It is something that MUST be done at all times. Otherwise there is no security, IA vulnerabilities can't be assessed, nor can audits be done.

All hard drives in Hillary's personal possession as well as drives on any server (and any backup tapes) where Hillary conducted Government business needs to be seized. And the systems and networks used need to be assessed to see if the were any compromises by hackers.