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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFlorida attempting to ban transgenders from using opposite sex restrooms (opposite from born gender)
The Florida House's Civil Justice Subcommittee, on a 9-4 party line vote, approved a measure that sponsor Frank Artiles, R-Miami, called "a common sense bill that protects public safety."
After the introduction of the bill, 36 members of the public lined up to speak -- 27 in opposition. Robert Sullivan, transitioning to Cindy Sullivan, was the first to speak. She sobbed as she asked, "Why do you want to put me in jail?"
House Minority Leader Mark Pafford, D-West Palm Beach, appeared at a press conference before the subcommittee's meeting and seemed bemused at the very existence of the bill.
"Forty-five percent of people have difficulty paying their bills month to month. Water issues. Education issues. Tax issues. All of these are at the forefront," he said. "And we find a bill here today that is going to limit a Floridian's right to use the bathroom?"
The bill now goes on to the House Judiciary Committee. In the Senate, a companion bill strips out the transgender language and simply makes it illegal for anyone to enter a public place with the intention of stalking someone in a public bathroom.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-transgender-bathroom-bill-20150304-story.html
Florida Republicans once again proving what a bunch of hateful bigots, and complete fucking idiots they are....
glasshouses
(484 posts)what could go wrong..................
Response to glasshouses (Reply #1)
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Skittles
(153,298 posts)or are you just idiots?
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Of course they are idiots. Absolute and complete fucking idiots.
Skittles
(153,298 posts)those two, or the jury
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I've emailed admins. Homophobes shouldn't be here.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Anybody who countenances such blatant bigotry has no place on a progressive site.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)On Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:18 AM you sent an alert on the following post:
Seriously.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6314492
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
Homophobic. The other post should have been hidden too but jury left it 4-3.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:35 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OK, this is fucked up. ADMINS--you need to get RID OF THAT HOMOPHOBE in the "other" post and do it NOW. And if the jury doesn't get rid of this asshole, who is plainly a sock/disruptor, I'll be disgusted in the extreme. Enough of this bullshit--how long do DEMOCRATS have to put up with this kind of intolerant crapola? This isn't "difference of opinion" -- this is a comment that contravenes the Democratic party platform. Skinner, you need to start cleaning house.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: bigoted
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you.
merrily
(45,251 posts)betsuni
(25,789 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Skittles
(153,298 posts)absolutely
looks like at least "one" of them got the boot - I think when jurors just don't fucking get it, it emboldens more idiocy until, well, even idiots can't ignore the idiocy
merrily
(45,251 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)On Wed Mar 4, 2015, 10:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
So if a guy says he's feels like a woman he can go into a female public restroom
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6314440
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Clueless or bigotted against Transgender people? I think bigoted and worth a hide.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 4, 2015, 10:49 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Its a discussion board and he was voicing his opinion, even though I may disagree with it.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Flamebait.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Just an ill-considered comment. In other words: dumb. But I don't think it's bigotry.
Frankly, I think we could all be a little less PC.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Skittles
(153,298 posts)that about says it all regarding the intellect here
merrily
(45,251 posts)In my opinion, they should indicate that they are not willing to serve as a juror because in giving anything and everything a pass, they are not performing jury duty.
It's sad to me that this was only 4-3. At DU, I think it should have been unanimous.
Behind the Aegis
(54,052 posts)Another post was hidden 4-3 and was homophobic. One of the ones voting to leave stated: The poster doesn't equate wearing women's clothes with being gay that I can see. The comment isn't particularly funny, but its no worse than most of the others on this thread. However, that is exactly what did happen, but the adding of "not worse than others" pretty much sums it up as far as what it takes for some to hide bigotry.
Oh, and if you remember our conversation from the other night, a recent thread is a perfect example of that discussion. Again, another example of bigotry getting a pass.
Skittles
(153,298 posts)that jury comment is even more stupid than the ones we were referring to
merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6314538
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
bigoted against transgender. Reply 2 said only "Seriously" as a response to Reply 1 and the poster got banned. Reply 1 has been alerted on. This is in the same vein.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:07 AM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Send up the MIRT signal! No matter how many posts this one has...a tombstone is called for, now!
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Just answer the person's question as best you can. No need to alert on it. I don't understand why so many rely on alerting as opposed to just having a civil conversation.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Was the alert on the wrong post? I think this post is criticizing the transphobia, not endorsing it.
I love the range from ban this alerted on poster to this alerted on poster is actually defending transgendered people.
And juror 4 is a perfect example of what I said in Reply 18. What are jurors for, if not to enforce the terms of service? If you don't want to do that, take yourself out of the jury pool. This is DU, not FREEP. If I wanted to have a "civil discussion" about why bigotry is wrong, I'd be posting at Discussionist or FREEP.
I think Juror 7 is right, though. This alert was based on a misreading of the post.
Response to merrily (Reply #26)
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uppityperson
(115,681 posts)This is a serious question. Once you answer, I will reply further.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)A man or a woman isn't going to wake up one morning, out of the blue decide they are of the opposite gender, and take a dump in the "wrong" restroom.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Buh bye.
Takket
(21,702 posts)why would you want someone who was born a man but has become a woman to use a men's room?
and vice versa
Skittles
(153,298 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)reactions as programmed to do not having any grasp of what words mean and/or what they are saying. This, has to be among one of the most stupid bills of mankind.
merrily
(45,251 posts)In other words I think a transgendered woman was born a transgendered woman, not born a man.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)gets down to as a root cause. We see it all the time by haters, find some person/group to persecute. This bill is utterly stupid, stupid beyond a doubt. It really calls into question the mentality and capabilities of lawmakers that work to institute this type of egregious nonsense.
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)Do they want want to appoint bathroom monitors that will inspect the genetics of everyone entering?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Beat on the most vulnerable, discriminated against people. Rethugs are filth
merrily
(45,251 posts)the human position, is one of the reasons I stayed a Democrat when I turned old enough to vote and still stay a Democrat. Not the only reason but a big part.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)than republicans.
merrily
(45,251 posts)are very important to them.
On the other hand, I am dismayed that cultural issues seem to be trumping other kinds of differences between the parties and voters are not objecting in greater numbers.
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)a toilet, isn't it? Why do some people continue to insist that using the toilet is somehow a sexual thing? It's just erm... using the toilet? Why does it matter if men and women use the same facilities? Yeah, men stand up, lucky them, and heaven forbid we WIMMINS might see a schpeckle! Oh the horror! Just because a guy has his hand on his business doesn't turn it into a weapon.
And the same for women, actually.. Just because a female is urinating doesn't mean she is an instant target of sexual advances. It's just biology.
In my travels around the world, the only place I've ever seen a massive line outside women's toilets is in the USA. Everywhere else, if there is a free facility/toilet/washroom, regardless of gender people just head on in and do what they need to do.
I don't understand the "fear the penis' culture so prevalent in the USA.
I have countless times seen homeless men displaying their business and the parents clutching their children to their breast, women shrieking in fear, but I think it's just sad and amusing and just benign. Plus, if we take the fear and reaction factor out of it, it dis-empowers the exhibitor. Same goes for flashers actually. They're seeking a negative reaction (and hopefully not looking for a date). Laughing at them just takes all the fun out of it for them.
Laugh these republicans out of office, it's far better than gasping in fear and horror. Just laugh at them...
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Turbineguy
(37,412 posts)Hate come from?
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)There doesn't seem to be any end to the bigotry.