Israel lost me a long tine ago when they supported South African apartheid.

[Ichingcarpenter]

United States, Israel opposed Mandela, supported Apartheid


http://www.juancole.com/2013/12/mandela-supported-apartheid.html

[KamaAina]

1. They even tested their nukes down there

Whoops! That was a secret! Guess I let the cat out of the bag!

[Chakab]

2. They were also in favor forcibly sterlizing their Ethiopian population so that the "cancer" with a

right to Israeli citizenship didn't spread.

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. Gee that's not rasict

oh wait its not about race its about....birth control..... yes it is..........
that story doesn't get played much but its true.


I find all the followers of the tribe or god of Abraham..be you Christians , Islam or jewish

you picked a vindictive godl

[atreides1]

8. God isn't vindictive

It's his followers who are!

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. all the gods have gods

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But you will HAVE no gods before me

[FiveGoodMen]

20. You haven't read the WHOLE Bible, then

[awoke_in_2003]

25. I did...

that is one of the things that made me an atheist

[FiveGoodMen]

45. That's the main thing that did it for me as well.

[blkmusclmachine]

31. God's a real dick. And his "followers" are twice as noxious.

[azurnoir]

14. No they weren't it was Depo Provera not sterilization

Thousands of Ethiopian women are said to be receiving shots of Depo-Provera every three months in Israeli clinics. The contraceptive stops menstruation and has been linked to fertility problems and osteoporosis.

Yaakov Litzman, Israel's deputy minister of health, who has previously denied the practice, will lead the inquiry, a spokesperson announced on Wednesday.

The phenomenon was uncovered when social workers noticed the birth rate among Ethiopian immigrants halving in a decade. An Israeli documentary investigating the scandal was aired in December and prompted a popular outcry.

It revealed that women were started on a course of contraceptive jabs while still in transit camps in Ethiopia, some without being told they were being given birth control and many having no idea of the side-effects. When they eventually arrived in Israel, doctors continued the treatment unquestioningly. But the critical question remains unanswered as to who instigated the policy, with neither Israel nor Ethiopia willing to claim responsibility.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel

[Ichingcarpenter]

17. oh that is so much better than how they treat other races

The phenomenon was uncovered ......I love phenomenons.

Its almost out the bible

[Spider Jerusalem]

34. Forced long-term contraception is tantamount to sterilisation.

It has the same goal and effect.

[azurnoir]

37. goal yes effect not so much

as if you stop the depo the effects also stop I'm not supporting this but when discussing Israel it is important to be accurate

[Scootaloo]

52. Small correction

When critiquing Israel, it is important to be accurate.

Experience has shown that any amount of bullshit all day long is perfectly fine so long as it's pro-Israel bullshit.

Such as one of our more... prolific I/P posters who argued that coercive depo was needed to "preserve Israel's Jewish Character" (seeing as the people are Jewish, the poster obviously meant "white&quot

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. So did Reagan.

http://www.salon.com/2011/02/05/ronald_reagan_apartheid_south_africa/

The regime of apartheid in South Africa, under which nonwhites were systematically oppressed and deprived of their rights, is remembered as one of the worst crimes against humanity of the 20th century.

Despite a growing international movement to topple apartheid in the 1980s, President Ronald Reagan maintained a close alliance with a South African government that was showing no signs of serious reform. And the Reagan administration demonized opponents of apartheid, most notably the African National Congress, as dangerous and pro-communist. Reagan even vetoed a bill to impose sanctions on South Africa, only to be overruled by Congress.

On a trip to the United States after winning the Nobel Prize in 1984, Bishop Desmond Tutu memorably declared that Reagan’s policy was ”immoral, evil and totally un-Christian.” Reagan’s record on South Africa was also marked by at least one embarrassing gaffe, when he told a radio interviewer in 1985: “They have eliminated the segregation that we once had in our own country — the type of thing where hotels and restaurants and places of entertainment and so forth were segregated — that has all been eliminated.” Of course, that was simply not true, and Reagan later walked the statement back.

Carter had imposed sanctions and restrictions on South Africa and also had publicly criticized the South African government many times. Reagan went back to supporting the government, and he did it under the guise of the policy of “constructive engagement.” This policy had been worked out by Chester Crocker, later a Reagan State Department official, who wrote about it in Foreign Affairs in 1980.

[malaise]

4. And as Jimmy Carter demonstrated

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they introduced their own version in both the West Bank and Gaza.
Now the African Jews can't be Jews,,and you know why.
Funny how the victim becomes the shadow of his oppressor.

[kelliekat44]

55. Not funny...sad. nt

[m-lekktor]

5. Didn't the Reagan administration support it as well?

and didn't his admin consider Mandela a "terrorist"?

[Katashi_itto]

6. Seeing Gaza firsthand.

That what did it for me.

[atreides1]

9. They lost me in 1984

After I saw Israeli security personnel treat an elderly Palestinian gentlemen as if he were less then human.

[Blue_Tires]

10. Well, Israel never "had" me to begin with...

[Bluenorthwest]

11. In the United States, Ronald Reagan supported and defended Apartheid and opposed Mandela

Nixon started a policy with Kissinger of supporting the apartheid regime, Reagan carried it out fully even as the American public and the Congress grew more aware and more opposed to the regime and apartheid. Democrats first tried to pass the Anti-Apartheid Act in 1985, it was opposed by Reagan and filibustered by Republicans. A second attempt to pass a version with slightly less harsh sanctions passed the House and Senate in 1986 over Reagan's public objections. Ronald Reagan then vetoed the Anti-Apartheid Act at the urgings of such advisers as Pat Buchanan. The veto was overridden in the Congress and sanctions were imposed.

So it is very interesting to me that people seem to have forgotten what it meant to be a Reagan Republican. There is much current revision going on, claims that Republicans were super moderate back then.

[kelliekat44]

54. Always knew what Reagan was. Never ever like him. nt

[hifiguy]

12. I was generally a supporter of Israel

until the Sabra/Shatila massacres. That was my deal-breaker.

[ReRe]

33. 9/11/73 n/t

[Rex]

13. What the fuck fuck? I did not know that.

I take it the Israeli leader at the time was good buddies with Apartheid lover Reagan?

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. Glad to educate you on history

&list=RD8Pa9x9fZBtY&index=16

[Rex]

21. LOL! Even if I were to live to be 900, I would only know a knat's fart worth of world history.

There is just too much of it for even 10 lifetimes to digest. Maybe even 100 or a 1000.

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. Private Investigations

It's a mystery to me, the game commences
For the usual fee, plus expenses
Confidential information, it's a diary
This is my investigation, it's not a public inquiry

I go checking out the reports, digging up the dirt
You get to meet all sorts in this line of work
Treachery and treason, there's always an excuse for it
And when I find the reason I still can't get used to

[Rex]

29. One of my fav bands!

Along with the Eagles, in my top 10!

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. And I leave you with Mozart

[closeupready]

16. I wasn't aware of that.

[leftynyc]

18. So I take it you don't support

Great Britain either. Boycotting all things British? Interesting watching the selective memory machine here and the abject hypocrisy that is bound to show itself.

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. logic fail

Israel supported south African apartheid..............and that's a historical fact.

[grossproffit]

62. Indeed! Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[MisterP]

23. they also liked Guatemala's rogue state: Carter refused to give any more training

to Kjell Laugerud's regime (he's Norwegian, don't ask), so they immediately turned to Israel

Ríos Montt's tactic of "shoot some natives at random so the rest flee into garrison villages" and "use native forces against natives" was directly imported from Israel's tactics in South Lebanon

Ariel Sharon (fresh from Sabra and Shatila) was also the first to set up the money-laundering and arms-smuggling networks in Central America in 1982: Ollie North just "plugged in" to existing Argentine, Chilean, and Israeli networks later in the decade after the Boland Amendments--back before he ordered a literal metric shit-ton of cocaine in one go and gave us Red Ribbon week (kids, don't buy anything from the windowless van behind the elementary school!)

[HereSince1628]

27. Israel lost me with the USS Liberty incident

Shooting your allies to blind them in the interest of operational security is a deadly form of selfishness

[Solindsey]

28. Falseflag incidents. That lazy go-to tactic never gets old.

Just saying. <<.>>

[Octafish]

30. That makes you a suspect -- for mentioning that.

Blind Faith.

[DeSwiss]

32. ...gone in 4, 3, 2.....

- Remember I-Ching, Israel and Netanyahu are synonymous now......

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. WoW at the post that got the hide...

F---ing WoW.

[DocMac]

40. Indeed. I guess the truth hurts. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. I don't get it./NT

[Mosby]

46. Let me help you

Claiming that Jews think they are superior is bigotry.

We call it Antisemitism.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Yeah, I got that. I don't get the post I responded to, specifically what "truth"

I also don't get the nexus between Israel and Matthew 10.

[Mosby]

48. Sorry, hard to tell what's what around here

I have no clue what matt 10 is about.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. A lot of cryptic comments./NT

[Codeine]

65. MIRT to the rescue. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Suicide mission./NT

[Joe Johns]

38. They supported South Africa

And now they're pretty much emulating it.

[Sheepshank]

39. And the Israeli Leadership clearly dislikes our Black President

I suppose it's not a stretch to see these things are interconnected.

[Cryptoad]

41. They lost me the first time I read

Matthew 10

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. What's the nexus between Israel and Matthew 10?/NT

[Cryptoad]

49. ,,,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10&version=MOUNCE

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I read Matthew 10 several times.

I don't see the nexus between it and the modern state of Israel.

[Cryptoad]

56. OK

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. The Bible is open to interpretation

Please interpret the message in Matthew 10 for me.


Thank you in advance.

[Cryptoad]

58. If you have read and not understood

there is nothing I can interpret for you. Everybody must find their own path. Good Luck.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. Perhaps I am lost.

I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

-Luke 15 7

[Cryptoad]

61. you will have to make that judgement,,,,,

Im just a poor fruit inspector.!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. I am in the dark and am in need of seeing the light.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is God’s power for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Romans 1:16

[Cryptoad]

64. Paul lost me when he said Jesus didn't really mean what he said.

I didn't even give him a "God's Speed" as I turned him a way out of my Life.

[kelliekat44]

43. They lost me forever when they killed Rachel Corrie. nt

[Algernon Moncrieff]

53. No nation state that respects an establishment of religion truly represents American values

I have the utmost respect for people of faith, but true religious tolerance cannot exist in a state in which the government openly embraces a specific belief.

[tritsofme]

67. Do you feel the same way about England, Spain, Denmark, ect?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

68. Yes, I do

That said, religious affiliation in the nations you mention is generally limited to figurehead royalty. Elizabeth II may be the "Defender of the Faith", but it has no bearing on the daily operations of Parliament. OTOH, every government in the Middle East is wedded to a faith. I say to Hell with all of them.

[no_hypocrisy]

60. More to the point is Israel supported South African apartheid

by selling weapons to that country. They didn't want to interrupt the sales.

[Scuba]

69. There are many good reasons to have lost faith with Israel. Here's another ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident