Explain it to me like I'm a six year old.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

If voting for the Iraq War Resolution disqualifies a Democrat from office why did our 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, the man or woman who is supposed to represent our hopes and aspirations, vote for the Iraq War Resolution as a sitting senator and why did President Obama make Senators Kerry, Biden, and Clinton, all of whom voted for the Iraq War Resolution, one and four heartbeats away from the presidency?


Thank you in advance.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

1. Go to free republic or hannity.com and ask there, or alex jones or glenn beck, this "reason"

to vote against Hillary started there

[boston bean]

2. They compromised their 'principles' and they won't do it again for Hillary.

That is the answer you will get.

They won't really answer why they were able to for Kerry but not Hillary.

[DURHAM D]

3. Simple. It all depends on your anatomy.

[leftofcool]

13. +1

[Lurks Often]

18. Someone didn't like your post

Simple. It all depends on your anatomy.
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The Iraq war killed hundreds of thousands of people. We can disagree as to how big a mistake that was, but calling people misogynists because they are so upset about it is very wrong.

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[randome]

4. It's a fundamental conundrum with politics: no one likes a loser.

Voting against something that will pass anyways without your vote means you will be labeled on the wrong side of the vote.

Interesting you would use the analogy of a six year old because most six year olds are prone to side with whomever appears to be in power, not whoever is right or wrong.

Most politicians behave very much like six year olds when their votes are cast.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. What is ironic is that Kerry and Biden opposed the first IWR...

What is ironic is that Kerry and Biden opposed the first IWR when the U S was fighting under a U N flag and had broad international support but voted against the second IWR when it wasn't being fought under a U N flag and lacked true international support.

What changed ?


At least my former senator, Bob Graham, had it right. He voted for the first IWR because it had broad international support and Saddam stole somebody's country. He voted against the second IWR because Bush didn't have international support, we had Saddam in a box with a no fly zone and sanctions, and he was a bulwark against Iran.

[LWolf]

5. Okay.

In politics, you pick a team, and you root for and vote for that team even when they are cheaters. Like when so many Democrats cheated on their people to vote for the IWR. You know...like when we forgive Daddy for helping Ms. Jones across the street fix her plumbing 2 or 3 times a week.

[Scuba]

7. Please remind me how our 2004 Democratic presidential candidate fared.

Those who voted for the IWR were either fools or complicit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Joe Biden voted for the IWR. He wasn't punished at the ballot box.

And the leader of our party rewarded Kerry and Clinton with arguably the second most powerful job in government.

[Scuba]

10. Biden was not #1 on the ticket.

Clinton couldn't even win a primary, Kerry lost to George Bush, for crying out loud.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Biden was a heartbeat away from the presidency./NT

[elias49]

14. Irrelevant to your argument. Biden was along for the ride.

I don't think it's often that voters look at who the VP is, they vote for president.
I don't think about how the Speaker of the House might vote on something if a few heartbeats were to stop one day.
Know what I mean?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Res ipsa loquitur

[elias49]

16. Cool graphic, but weightless IMO.

I can't even count the number of times that - in the runup to the election - I had long discussions with friends about the pros and cons of Joe Biden's 40 years in govt, and what he was going to do about an important issue.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. How is it weightless?

Joe Biden was on every presidential ballot:




and he received 62,088,847 votes .

[Autumn]

21. Nice graphic. Looked like mine but there was no place to vote for Obama and not Biden.

See the one little circle? ONE CIRCLE. I voted for Barack Obama. Biden got my vote by default because Obama chose him as VP. Biden was not on my personal Presidential list, even though he's a nice guy I'm sure.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Yeah, but he still got the votes as did Kerry/Edwards who both voted for the IWR.

[Autumn]

23. I could't vote for Obama without voting for Biden. My 6 year old Grand Daughter

can understand that. We discussed it when she helped with my ballot. One circle was for the guy she called Rock Obama. Rock Obama and the other guy won.
Here's my reason for voting for Kerry

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026331140#post12

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. There were several presidential and vice presidential duos where ((((both)))) opposed the IWR

There were several presidential and vice presidential duos where ((((both)))) opposed the IWR on the 04, 08, and 012 ballot. You could have voted for them.

My point that folks are willing to countenance behavior in some that they don't countenance in others stands.

[Autumn]

25. You are moving your goal posts.

04 was Kerry, 08 and 12 was Obama again who had no vote on the IWR. No other choices to vote for. You have a good day

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. You as well but I haven't moved the goal post.

I didn't even get started on all the Democratic officeholders who voted for the IWR who were elected, re-elected, and re-elected again into infinity.

That's my premise and from that premise I infer that certain people are using it as a game changer for some politicians and not for others because these people are willing to support some people who voted for the IWR and not others.

[Autumn]

28. Yes you have. 04 was Kerry, I explained why I voted for him.

08 and 12 was Obama, who had no vote on the IWR. I answered your question. And you ignored my answer. Kerry wasn't Bush, Obama wasn't McCain or Mittens. Bush, Mittens and McCain sucked. Biden got my vote twice by default because the one I voted for was Obama. Hillary would have gotten my vote in 08 but she lost the nomination. Kerry got my vote because Bush sucked.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. And Hillary won't be Bush, Walker, or Rubio yet she is still being pilloried for that vote.

[Autumn]

30. No one is running yet. Hillary has not announced. others may run. No one knows for

sure yet. People don't want to vote for her because of her IWR they have that right . Just like you have the right to vote for her because her IWR vote doesn't bother you. One vote per American to use as they chose, that vote is our voice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Two points

1) I am not here to persuade anybody how to vote except that they vote Democratic.
2) Have a wonderful Sunday.

[JoePhilly]

9. She's not the new Messiah, and this is their convenient excuse.

How they acted towards others who committed the same sin, is irrelevant, to their way of thinking.

[Autumn]

12. I gave them both a pass, I was desperate to get bush out of office

Bush and Dick Cheney fucking sucked. They destroyed this country as well as Iraq. They fucking sucked, so when Kerry was the one to run I voted for him. He could have eaten kittens on TV and I would have still voted for him. There was NO OTHER CHOICE at that time. As for Obama's choices of Biden, Kerry and Clinton in his cabinet as President he has the right to make those choices. I wouldn't have chosen them but I'm not the President. I despise Summers and Geithner and Dimon and a few others he has chosen.

[hrmjustin]

19. It is a good question to ask her detractors.

Having siad that I think in a primary it is reasonable for a Democratic primary voter to take it into consideration.

But I still would like to hear why some hold it against her and not others.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton

[moondust]

27. "Democrats are weak on national security."

That used to be, and maybe still is, a popular propaganda meme of RW warmongers trying to gain an electoral edge. Some Democrats feared it would later be used against them if they didn't vote for the IWR and then WMD were subsequently uncovered in Iraq.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

32. Because

everyone has different gauges of what 'disqualifies' someone from office, and yours are different from mine and from his.