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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat I learned about "centrist" right-wingers, from Freeperville
As a traditional "bleeding-heart" artist,
right-wing politics are shocking.
Their inhumane policies of war over diplomacy,
torture, exploitative trade, environmental degradation,
and marginalizing economically disadvantaged
people represents the worst of humanity.
A recent visit to Freeperville highlighted
3 disturbing realizations about them.
1. "Centrist" right-wingers reject the term "right-wing".
2. They believe "shouting down" others is "winning" a debate.
3. They express absolutely zero "empathy"
On the first point, they don't see their war-hawk,
free-trade, economic exploitation as "right-wing.
They prefer to present themselves as "centrists".
Despite embracing traditional right-wing values,
they spend a good amount of energy rationalizing
that their views are middle of the road or represent
the political center.
On the second point, the seem to take pride or
enjoyment from "shouting down" opposing views.
Those so called "centrists" brook no dissent or
opposing perspectives. When presented with an
opposing view they ridicule, harass, and attack
the messenger, in a nearly sociopathic fashion.
It seems more important for them to force their
views on others than to find common ground.
They don't seek understanding they seek dominance,
yet they claim to represent "centrist" values?
On the third point, they appear to be bereft of
the humanizing trait of "empathy".
The combination of authoritarian politics,
and dehumanizing social discourse leaves little room
for compassion. Despite their utter lack of sympathy
or warmth for others manifest in their destructive politics,
they insist they are "centrist". As though the political center
of "government of the people, by the people and for the people"
is an exercise in self-defeat and self-denial.
When it comes to expressing emotion their range is limited.
Fear, anger and aggression seem to be their only available emotions.
Color me skeptical when someone calls themselves
"centrist" yet embraces right-wing ideology.
There is nothing "centrist" about being a war-hawk,
economic opportunist, or indifferent to the human condition.
Those are right-wing traits. The only place conceivable that
someone could consider such self-serving values as centrist,
is from within the walls of a closed mind. When someone claims
to be a "centrist", look closer at their values than their words.
Thanks Freeperville, for the insights
aspirant
(3,533 posts)now they have glued together right-wing and centrists Dems. Next step is the HRC method, A PRO-CENTRIST which includes the Progressive/Populist wing.
Now they have PAINFULLY sewn us all together.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)I am a little late but welcome to DU...will look for more of your comments because you seem to not be fooled easily.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Ooops, missed one
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)Centrist = middle of the road, a flock of sheep or someone who can't make-up their mind and remains right in the center.
Do you want to go to war? Centrist answer, I don't know, let me think about it. What would Humpty Dumpty do?
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)... in support of the financial elite."
"Centrist" policies are ALWAYS good for the economic elite. Always.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Is it cognitive dissonance?
When those "centrist" policies disproportionately
impact groups typically "bigoted" against it's
a flimsy argument that centrists care about those affected.
Socially liberal, fiscally conservative is the Emperors new clothes
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Well point 1 - it depends on how you define the center; many democrats are also pro-free trade or corporatist - some even count as war hawks. But on other issues they do disagree with what they see as the far right.
Point 2 describes most groups on the internet. It's not like I've never seen someone shouted down, ridiculed, harassed or attacked at DU.
Point 3 again describes most people everywhere - let's face it showing empathy and taking time to understand where your political enemies are coming from takes time, and it's easier and more enjoyable just to slam into them. It might be better to look for common ground, but such attempts turn to shit just as often as they pay out.
Most people don't want to be understood as much as they want to be agreed with.
Bryant
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Our culture and society at large
has become coarse and indifferent.
There seem to be only a few small
communities that continue to embrace
compassion, charity, and defend those
least able to defend themselves.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)So well-written, and thank you for writing it!
Right wingers don't like to be called Right Wing...sounds familiar. So does much of what you wrote, actually. May be mirror-like for some who read it here.
economic opportunist, or indifferent to the human condition.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)No wing-nut OR right-winger that I have read or spoke with
thinks they are outside of the mainstream.
It's probably due to the "bubble mentality"
created by the MSM and social media?
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Democrats aren't immune,
but often apply critical thinking
to their discourse.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Trumads threads were just simply to bash a certain group of liberal DUers...I take it your thread is real and sincere?
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)The parallels between assorted "centrists" was remarkable.
Hence, the three things I mentioned.
There is a common thread.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I can get that kind of shit from family and neighbors, I live in a small town sadly with a large portion of Birthers/Truthers. Very interesting information, thanks.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)The Fox Spews I have hurled on me is disgusting
The people at the local outfitters and job sites are
rabid anti-Obama and instinctively loath anything "Democrat"
Rex
(65,616 posts)Every last fucking ONE has Foxnews on it! Get the oil changed...Foxnews, doctors visit...Foxnews. Sometimes I feel so hopeless and helpless living in a state that elected a Rush clone.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The middle-of-the-road Freeper is a knuckledragging chickenshit who hides behind extreme political viewpoints as a smokescreen for smothering feelings of inadequacy and raging paranoia.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)There is a line between describing their traits
and actually embodying them though
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Seems I touched a nerve.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)You made a very wild caricature
There is a difference between describing
such traits and actually embodying them.
ie, describing someone as a knuckle dragger
doesn't lower one to such status unless such
characterizations are made without comprehension
of the irony contained within said characterization.
That's what you suggest, no?
B2G
(9,766 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Democrats are like herding cats
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Not an original thought of their own. That great sucking sound you hear is the empty vacuum inside their heads.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Support for same sex marriage
Support for abortion rights
Support for civil rights for everybody regardless of their race, sexual orientation, nationality, et cetera,
Support for a robust safety net
Support for health care availability for all
.... Through hard work the Democratic party has made them main stream. Even national Republicans have to pay lip service to them. To suggest that a person can hold those values and not be "zotted", i.e banned at Free Republic is preposterous.
My buddy on another site always talks about having some "skin in the game" when making claims, predictions. et cetera. I'm willing to make a wager that if I espouse those views I will be zotted post haste. If I lose I put my name on a kidney donor list. If the person who wagers against me loses he or she puts his or her name on a kidney donor list.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)It's the pro-war, cutting taxes,
and environmental "development"
that others consider as "centrist".
As though cutting taxes, which impacts the
social safety net further impoverishing millions,
is somehow "centrist".
But they aren't religious zealots, or anti-choice.
So in their estimation they are centrist.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)The point is; the center is loosely defined
to fit a political opportunists agenda.
That, few people consider themselves
outside the "norm" or "center" no matter
how extreme or unjustified their opinion may be.
And that outside of a few "niceties" that are
universally considered "centrist", the core
values expressed through actual policies
embodied by political "centrists" are far from
the center of public opinion.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)By any measurement the members of Free Republic represent the far right spectrum of American public opinion. I would go as far to say those nuts wouldn't even define themselves as centrists but they are so delusional that they believe they speak for a lot, lot , lot more people than themselves.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Many in Freeperville DO BELIEVE
they are the mainstream.
As do all but the truly deranged right-wingers.
They seem to relish their outsider status.
But the more astute, and "garden variety"
right-winger does embrace the term "centrist".
They know it normalizes their harmful ideology.
It seem our conundrum it trying to apply
our understanding of a term to others who disagree.
Are "we" the authority on "centrism"?
I mean, who decides who is a "real democrat"?
Words do in fact have meaning!
The term "centrist" has lost any relevant meaning
in political discussion as long as it's a football used
to push political agendas under the guise of representing
widespread public support.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)"Centrism" is an inherently conservative position (as opposed to the right-wing radicalism we call 'conservative" in the US). It is change-resistant and seeks to preserve the status quo. The center opposed each and every single position you laid out, until the positions became too popular to press against them.
Some htye still oppose, like robust safety nets (centrists in the US are still wrapped up in neoliberal economics and privatization of public services) and health care availability for all (same reason.) They've not taken a stand on reproductive rights since 1973, because "abortion" doesn't win elections. They actively opposed LGBT equality until less than three years ago.
Every position you noted is in fact a liberal position, some of which have been lately adopted by centrists for political expediency.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)". Even national Republicans have to pay lip service to them."
Twenty years hence Republicans will say they were for civil rights for gays from the gitgo.
I remember reading an article by William Buckley where he was thinking out loud and mused that one day the Catholic Church's admonition against homosexuality would look as quaint as their admonition against dancing.
Some of the people reading this thread will live to see that day.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Regarding the issues at hand, it's wasn't the
"democratic party" per se but the activists
that held representatives accountable.
The legislative gains were long fought for
and hard won battles, some which continue today.
The Democratic party did not bequeath those rights
they were earned by activists and voters.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)than communicative. Political identification is like screenwriting, never tell me something you could show me.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)It is largely tactical, with politicians.
With voters it seems to be more about
feeling good or justifying ideology.
Interestingly, as much as your analogy
fits the discussion, it needs to be applied inversely...
all talk and nothing to show.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)hits the big screen it's either a comedy or horror show. "Leave it to Beaver" isn't even advertised in the coming previews.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Labeling by persons in politics is pretty futile past very broad categories. I can tell you this, from my point of view, 'Third Way' and DU's critics of Third Way are very similar creatures. Both are socially conservative Democratic cohorts which have required and will continue to require constant coddling to keep them supportive of any issue that does not translate directly into something they can fold, spend and exchange into Euros. One set uses 'centrist' rhetoric, the other does not. Both are cohorts that were slow to support every civil rights issue from Loving to Marriage Equality. They are really the same cohort fighting among themselves for dominance of the right leaning Democratic center.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)And neither seem to be "socially conservative"?
The Third Way seems to try to sew together
fiscal conservatism and social liberalism?
The right-wing centrists are pro-war,
environmental "development", and
diminishing "entitlements" / Social Safety Net...
Not much different from 3rd-Way policies?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Unfortunately their actual policies tend to collide
with the campaign rhetoric.
Fiscally conservative policies tend to hurt
socially liberal practices.
Where the latter mentioned parties agree
with right-wingers they collectively self-identify
as "centrists".
For example, are John McCain or Jeb Bush "centrists"?
They are certainly right-wingers, and would certainly deny the label.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Not centrist by a mile, imho.
IMHO, centrist Republicans are as rare as leap years.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)They have socially progressive views,
and are fiscally conservative.
How are they not "centrists"?
Or are you the arbiter of "centrism"?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)John McCain led the Senate Republicans in their battle to maintain "Don't ask, don't tell."
And here is John Ellis Bush:
[Should] sodomy be elevated to the same constitutional status as race and religion? My answer is No."
That's offensive on two levels... He's reducing people to sex acts and singling out certain groups for disparate treatment.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)McCain has demonstrated some "political expediency"
with his stands on the issues you raise.
Clearly he tries to walk a line to appeal to both sides
yet always falls to the right, where he is guaranteed reelection.
Jeb Bush also demonstrated some "political expediency".
He has moderated his rhetoric on both pro-choice and equal rights
to soften the appearance of a hard right-wing stance.
Clearly he's gravitating to the "center" for expediency.
You do realize Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton both previously
objected to same-sex marriage; today, they support it?
Is it your position that "centrism" is only relevant to social equality?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)No, and the only people who believed McCain and now Jeb are "centrists" are the press...Actually they don't believe it either but they have to embrace the narrative to make it a race and drive viewership.
Yeah, opposing marriage equality wasn't HRC's and BHO's finest hour but they have always been light years ahead of their peers when it comes to lbtgq issues.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Jeb & John are seen as "centrists" by the right-wing.
That's where we are not understanding one another.
It doesn't matter what you or I think "centrist" represents.
It's those who claim to be "centrists" that matter.
Average right-wingers eschew the term "right-winger".
They consider themselves "centrists", that they are the political "center".
And they are not entirely wrong as there is no litmus test.