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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm Sorry - But One Has To Question Hillary's Judgement For Calling This Presser Today.....
it has changed the dialogue already on the cable news channels and has taken the onus off the Repug borderline treasonous letter to Iran. I really thought that she was more politically astute than this and would not have taken today - when the letter issue was starting to get legs - to deflate that issue.
This leads me to a more serious question about her judgement and how that might play into her being a President. I don't know if she has gotten bad advice on this presser or what - but as timing is everything - this is really bad timing.
The news cycle for the rest of the week through the Sunday News shows should have been focused on this Repug Letter.
One would have thought that this letter story would have taken Hillary and her e-mails off the front burner and she would have been happy about that.
I'm sitting here questioning as to whether she might be upset by her story dropping from the news cycle and that she purposely scheduled this presser to regain the attention. Maybe this didn't play into her plans in her quest for the presidency.
What's the old saying about negative publicity even being good?
boston bean
(36,221 posts)and now she shouldn't speak.
WTF????
blm
(113,055 posts)Her camp could have seen the frontpages and backlash against the GOP and said, "let's give it another day or two."
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Story grew. I highly doubt she did this on purpose. The timing just fell out that way. Actually Palin is taking credit for Hillary blinking.
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)My 1st thought when I read the headline. It almost seems as if people can not fathom that others can focus on 2 different thing.
1/ Hillary
2/ republiscum.
I mean she could quite possibly link the two by saying we have seen this week what the republicans will resort to, to smear and degrade a democrat. Why should the lies they are saying about my e-mail be any different. You all do remember the Christmas card list congressional investigation.
* drop mike and walk off stage
randome
(34,845 posts)How about one of you provide a link to the actual presser announcement instead of posting the same hair-on-fire threads?
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riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)And I agree, she should have rescheduled. But I doubt it's going to be much of a distraction. Probably boring.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
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riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)i want what your smoking.
And yes, she's giving a speech to the UN followed by the press conference.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)blm
(113,055 posts)attention to any story BUT the ones involving her and are not acting with any agility on this one.
They didn't HAVE to do this press show today.
They are acting stupidly and deserve to be replaced, but, I doubt they are doing it maliciously.
Still - it leaves the thought out there. Perhaps some of the neocons in Clinton camp don't want the Iran deal, either
..the Joe Lieberman wing of the Clinton campaign.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)In addition to which, the substance of whatever she says will be promptly ignored by the GOP and their MSM note-takers. The only way this won't be a pointless exercise is if she stumbles. Inept.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)the letter to the side than anything. That letter undermines the work the President and Kerry are trying to do. That's far more important than Clinton and 2016.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Geezus, you are the folks that demanded she address this. Maybe you all shouldn't have done that.
riversedge
(70,208 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Just because Clinton gives a speech somewhere, it shouldn't take precedence over the business of the country at hand.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)47 Senators and the letter giving Iran the go ahead to mass produce nuclear weapons = big deal
HRC and other GOP'ers used private servers and private email = legal and *meh*
It's only the "Benghazi" crowd that will attempt to deflect anythig from the 47 idiots, and they would have picked any excuse regardless of any HRC presentation.
If anything the 47 have deflected the focus from HRC right onto themselves.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)will shove the Iran thing out of the spotlight. The emails dominated the news before. They will be again, unfortunately right when we had the republicans by the short hairs. She should have rescheduled.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)it seems almost as contrived as the whole Republican mountain out of a mole hill, email outrage.
your avatar seems quite appropriate in this case.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)It was a fooliish thing to do, no matter who does it.
I'm more concerned about the Iran stuff, not 2016 or Clinton.
I don't quite get the avatar thing.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the media will do what it wants to do. It doesn't need HRC as an excuse to ignore the 47 traitorous Senators. The RW media will clearly ignore anything they want while trying to shape public opinion.
The assumption that the media would have focied on what is important to the DEMS except that the email-gate issue came up, is ludicrous.
blm
(113,055 posts)nailing them for being traitors.
At 8 AM that was the LEAD STORY.
What was the lead at 11 AM?
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I don't watch RW media, so that's moot.
I think it's a huge blunder on Clinton's part to yammer on about emails, when we have the republicans in a tight spot.
blm
(113,055 posts)the headlines and news reporting they deserve for their treason?
OK - no big deal then that HRC's campaign made the decision to have this presser addressing the molehill that is already replacing the GOP treason in the TOP of TODAY'S news cycle.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the RW media will ignore any story they want to if it it helps shape public opinion in the direction they feel appropriate.
I can't believe you feel that HRC email story is the real reason the media is ignoring the 47 Senators letter story.
sheesh.
blm
(113,055 posts)They weren't IGNORING the story - they were finally RUNNING with it. That changed immediately when this stupid presser for the non story, non scandal emails was announced.
Why are you insisting none of the media was talking about the GOP letter? They are - at LONG LAST they were calling out the GOP for their traitorous behavior.
THEN what happened?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)The top story at CNN, HLN and MSNBC is about racists at OU.
"Try reading".
blm
(113,055 posts)The fraternity story was a top story, too. The top POLITICAL story was backlash against GOP and holding up Daily News' TRAITOR headline. It was replaced immediately by Clinton camp's announcement of a presser.
That may be smart campaign decision to you, but, not to me.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)you clearly think it's the former...I believe its the latter.
blm
(113,055 posts)Her campaign 'strategists' are uber-stupid.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)other than the 47 Senators.
They don't need HRC's help to divert attention, they are ignoring the entire letter to Iran story anyway. Look at Yahoo...not even a tiny little blip of the controversy. They are not trying to lessen the impact of the story, they are completely ignoring it.
blm
(113,055 posts)What changed that had it pushed aside by 11AM?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and will ignore what they want to ignore.
blm
(113,055 posts)You need to pretend they weren't covering the GOP letter in the first place. They were - they FINALLY were.
It was a moment - one that was EASILY REPLACED by the presser announcement.
Why make it so easy for them?
You won't buy it because you don't WANT to admit the timing was just not good.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the media will ignore what it wants to ignore......even more, the media will promote it's own agenda by deciding when and how it wants to ignore a story.
blm
(113,055 posts)There is NEVER a good excuse for handing them an opportunity like this on a silver platter.
If you want to claim that Clinton campaign was smart to choose this morning to make an announcement, then have the forthrightness to say so.
My claim is that the campaign was stupid to make that announcement this morning when the GOP letter was GAINING TRACTION.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And if she didn't announce she was taking questions they would ask her to take more question when reporters knew she was taking them so they could be there...
As it is I saw some RNC clown bray that there are not enough credentialed reporters at the U N.
think
(11,641 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Washington (CNN)Sen. Tom Cotton said Tuesday he'd "welcome" presidential candidates to join the 47 Senate Republicans who signed a controversial letter to Iran warning the country's leaders that a lasting nuclear deal would have to be approved by Congress.
And Cotton said he would welcome "even Hillary Clinton," the presumptive Democratic presidential frontrunner, to join the effort.
"I suspect she might have reservations about this ill-fated nuclear deal with Iran as well," Cotton said on CNN's New Day.
Several potential GOP presidential candidates have already signed onto the letter. Sens. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and Lindsey Graham are among the 46 Republicans who signed onto Cotton's letter "to the Leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran."
President Barack Obama slammed the letter on Monday, accusing the GOP of making "common cause with the hard-liners in Iran" by attempting to undercut ongoing negotiations that face a first deadline for a framework agreement at the end of the month.
If she doesn't speak out against the 47, she's complicit with the bipartisan war party. Again.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)global1
(25,245 posts)You got to be kidding. He really asked her to sign on to this letter?
Spazito
(50,331 posts)Oh, wait, oops, there were no comments as of yet.
Would this:
"If she doesn't speak out against the 47, she's complicit with the bipartisan war party. Again."
apply to Elizabeth Warren as well?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Spazito
(50,331 posts)she has a laser focus on Wall Street with the expertise to speak about it. I am glad she has wisely decided to bypass a run to become the Democratic candidate for the Presidency as her work in the Senate is very, very important, imo.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)somehow she is complicit because she hasn't immediately commented on the jackass Tom Cotton and his other crazies as somehow wanting to compromise on this issue with them.
Gee, Senator Elizabeth Warren hasn't commented yet on the letter, does that mean she is complicit also? However, Bernie Sanders did. No surprise there. A lot of Democratic Senators have yet to make comments, but there is no doubt in my mind they feel strongly against the republican vomit expressed in that letter.
Maybe your hatred of Hillary has blinded you so much, that you instead of being critical of legitimate disagreements with Hillary, such as her vote on the IWR or Patriot Act, you have to grasp at bullshit.
There is not ONE Democrat who agrees with this letter, INCLUDING Hillary. Everyday some shit is said about President Obama that is outrageous, dishonest, and disgusting, and guess, what, he seldom comments on the crazy talk unless the press asks him.
still_one
(92,190 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)to the world? She will be messaging that she doesn't support diplomacy with Iran, and as President, she will pursue a non-negotiated approach.
That's why she has to clearly stand today against the letter and the 47, and has to take this opportunity at the UN to speak out on it.
still_one
(92,190 posts)Warren has been making speeches after this broke, and hasn't mentioned anything
Your interpretation is because she doesn't respond to a letter that has no basis in fact or law means she is complicit does not follow a logical thought sequence. In fact it would detract from the negotiations going on right now with Iran, where the focus would no longer be the negotiations, but giving credibility to a letter that was a bunch of lies
She will comment along with Kerry when the time is right
global1
(25,245 posts)former Sec. of State that has been involved with such negotiations - then I would commend her. Maybe this was the only way for her to let her have her say on that letter.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)bad news for Hillary gets released at times when it gets drowned out by some other media event - she's been famous for her 24-hour media management since her Arkansas days.
Note the email story first hit the wires in the middle of the Netanyahu kerfluffle - most definitely not a coincidence. Nothing ever gets resolved with Hillary, they just get passed up by other events.
Pulling the usual shenanigans with press credentials shows that this is quite deliberate on the part of the Clinton warcamp.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)We can't overlook how tone deaf her speech appears.
In the midst of the republican Iranian "scandal",
which buried her email "scandal", she decides to go
front and center putting her "scandal" on the front burner???
Either she has incompetent tacticians, or is running interference?
Seriously
blm
(113,055 posts)I hope not.
I prefer to see this as pure incompetence on the part of her 'strategists' who now deserve to be FIRED!
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)If Hillary was a newbie it would be understandable.
But a well seasoned political veteran
doesn't make these kinds of rookie mistakes.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)The way the script goes, she lets her story become the second story in the media cycle, and by the time people circle back to it, it's "old news"; claims of issues being resolved will be steadfastly and consistently made, regardless of whether that has any correlation to the truth.
dissentient
(861 posts)a day or two back. I'm interested to see the press conference, there will always be some other news event taking place every day.
If you say "Hillary is grabbing the limelight!" that seems kind of a weak complaint.
android fan
(214 posts)Trying to take the heat off the Republicans?
That's a big no-no from me. Clinton should use the presser to announce that she is not running for President, so speculation can be continued elsewhere.
If she was smart, she would forget the presser and do the U.N. speech so Republicans can continue to be roasted on a daily basis until they hand their resignations and answer for the Logan Act charges...
global1
(25,245 posts)the borderline treasonous letter 47 Repug senators sent to Iran to sabotage the negotiations.
JDDavis
(725 posts)That came in as the fourth story, after the S. Korean Ambassador's recovery, the racist fraternity in OK, and Hillary's email.
Story number 4 was the 47 treason story, which did NOT use the T word nor the Logan Act.
NBC's Chuck Toad was mansplaining to Today show viewers that Hillary's email is important.
The letter to Iran was a 3 sentence story.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Oh, it's the timing...
blm
(113,055 posts)it wasn't NECESSARY for her to have a presser today.
It's her campaign strategists that made this call, and they are WRONG. There is nothing evil about calling the strategists on THEIR stupidity. She'll win in 2016, but, this move is going to make it harder for OTHER Democrats on the ticket opposing the letter-signers.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I'm watching CNN and a GOP mouthpiece said he disapproves of the venue (the U.N.) for HRC's presser because there aren't enough credentialed reporters who will be there.
IMHO, Senators Feinstein and Durbin forced her hands with their remarks which allowed the press to suggest the intense interest is bipartisan.
blm
(113,055 posts)The urgent need to address it IMMEDIATELY wasn't there yesterday, and it was definitely not there this morning.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Not you, but the HRC bashing and the constant questioning of her motives makes me alternatively apoplectic and sad.
She is getting up hit from all sides and must feel the need to address the issue.
blm
(113,055 posts)and THAT is why I am so pissed at her campaign.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)With the exception of Hannity and co, and nobody cares what they think.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)This email bit is going to dog her all the way to November of '16. This email scandal is the little albatross around the neck of the bigger albatross around the neck of the Democratic Party.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...and the public reaction thus far has been, 'Yawn'.
Nobody that matters cares.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)So this isn't red meat to right-wing voters?
This "scandal" won't mobilize repub voters?
They won't use this to raise donations?
Democratic "scandals" do more to energize right-wingers
than any glad-handing by their candidates.
Those "nobody's" vote.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)As former Secretary of State, she is almost duty bound to do that in the most unambiguous way possible. If she doesn't, she will rightly be viewed as a self-serving Neocon pol, and not worthy of her party's nomination. We will see.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If she is trying to retain the shit-stained limelight, she has succeeded at the cost of undermining our President. If she did this unintentionally, then that is a strong indication she lacks the competency to be President.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Many high profile people have been calling for her to make a statement on the email story.
blm
(113,055 posts)Her campaign strategists should be fired for sticking with their announcement of a presser today.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Now, I see complaints that she is going to explain her choice of email provider.
blm
(113,055 posts)No one is saying she shouldn't address it. But she didn't have to do it TODAY OF ALL DAYS!!!
Her strategist team screwed up and there is way to pretend otherwise.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)would find fault with any decision.
I think she should have done it much sooner.
Republicans are so good at doing ridiculous things it would be some other story.
As long as we are in negotiations with Iran, the story of their letter will not go away.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)She probably should have taken it head on sooner, but the longer she waited without saying anything, the worse it was going to get for her, with ever more speculation swirling around. I think we've got enough new cycle for people to pay attention to the Iran letter as well. Choosing to do a presser is NOT one of the things I would suggest makes anyone 'question her judgment as to being President'.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The racist fraternity story is getting a lot of air time too because it's easy to understand and touches on America's original sin.
Plus it's a story where the bad and good guys are clearly defined with almost everybody , from left to right, lining up on the side of the good guys.
There's nothing more American than a public shaming.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Because it makes it more of a 'Friday afternoon newsdump' sort of thing. Iran is going to be whatever Iran is going to be, and whatever the American public thinks of it really isn't going to make diddly squat change to the situation. So if anything, to me, this is a good judgment call for her.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)A 50/50 story or a 90/10 story ?
SAE's favorability ratings rival those of ISIS.
blm
(113,055 posts)GREAT CALL by Hillary campaign.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)No matter how upset people are over it. It's not what the media wants to cover. They'd run with it for a day and move on to something else no matter what.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)what are the mega media snooze tv channels putting up as their top stories............ and talking about the most?
I wouldn't know since I don't have one but its important on how they play with the news.
blm
(113,055 posts).
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)did you check fox
blm
(113,055 posts)quickly because everyone is now breathlessly reporting on the emails again after the announcement that there would be a presser.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)the evening news will be next thing to flip through.....to see what's being played as important to the constitution vs hilary's press conference.
blm
(113,055 posts).
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)actions of the treasonous 47 morons who embarrassed this country by working for a Foreign Leader, demonstrating they are not familiar with Domestic and International Law, and had to be schooled in both by the Iranian FM.
What an opportunity, especially at the UN.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)...human beings are quite capable of focusing on more than one thought at a time. The hideous judgment shown by the Senate Republicans will not fade away simply because Hillary is getting some face time.
And, Hillary's face time will be increasing steadily as we slowly march toward the primaries.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Now today it's another story. Let's be honest. Like many here, your problem with Hillary Clinton is that she exists. No one takes any of these contorted justifications seriously. You get high fives from people who share your contempt for her, and that's it. This is all mere pretext for opposing a potential--not even declared--Democratic candidate. What's particularly troubling is that you all devote all of your energy to opposing one woman, while you advocate FOR nothing.
Then there is the fact you actually consider the cable news cycle an issue. This is yet another example of how much of the conversation on this site has nothing to do with the lives and concerns of average Americans, who care about where their next paycheck is coming from and how to pay the energy and medical bills, not what's on cable news.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Well I'd say it takes the cake, but that's already been eaten and another is baking.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I'm shocked I tell you just shocked.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Wait! Wait! There's more:
It's Email-Gate, I tell you!
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I mean, hey, she was only at the United Nations to talk about what was really of importance, the nuclear deal, so I thought. Silly me.
Because the 5 members of the Nuclear Club need to know the USA will keep its word on the NPT:
The treaty recognizes five states as nuclear-weapon states: the United States, Russia, the United Kingdom, France, and China (also the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty
Of course her apperance on television is of more importance than possible nuclear Armeggedon! By all means, Ms. Clinton, get your hair done between gigs. It's not like you ladies got anything else to do but sit around and look purty!
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Such nonsense
still_one
(92,190 posts)garbage open letter to Iran, is still being presented in the news, and talked about. In fact Biden's statement, along with others is keeping it alive
blm
(113,055 posts)Presser pushed TRAITOR story down in corpmedia's rotation.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Already I'm getting Clinton Drama Fatigue and she hasn't even announced that she's a candidate.
She likes "hard choices"? She should make one right now and stand up for the President's right to engage in diplomacy instead of sitting there like a bump on a log and giving the impression that she agrees with the 47 assholes who are attempting to undercut him.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)I mean really
You have no clue, nor do all the happy people in this thread who imagine they can read her mind or imagine they have an advance copy of her prepared remarks, or know what the assembled press is going to ask her.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and reporting on. I'm not so sure they would have ever made it front and center with any kind of outrage in any case. These are Republican Senators...after all.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)randome
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AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)page isn't actually happening, because Hillary talked about her emails yesterday. In fact just the opposite. Not only is the written media exposing it, but it was all over the television. For those that didn't give Hillary a chance to weigh in on this, and some actually assumed she agreed with Cotton on this, that assessment has proven to be wrong also.