I'll bet if Elizabeth Warren runs, a large chunk of America will get on buses to go help her.

[TheNutcracker]

I really do believe that.

[srican69]

1. that may be true .. except she won't win ( small motivated minorty << lazy majority). nt

[AtomicKitten]

9. or she will

[leftofcool]

65. I hope she can raise a billion dollars because that is what it is going to take.

[SusanCalvin]

114. Well

I've been giving $5/mo through ActBlue for quite a while now. Of course, I'll step that up if she declares.

[roguevalley]

17. I believe she will because she exudes something lacking on both sides at the moment ...

integrity and guts. Count me in.

[cascadiance]

31. There's not many in either party that stand up to the banksters and other corporatists...

... that control both parties.

Despite the corporate media's efforts to depict her as "far left", that is just a label. When people start to meet her and see what she's about and that she reflects values that more are about defending them that the 1% in this country, her support will come from a lot of independents as well as many Republicans. Much was made of the Reagan Democrats pushing Reagan in to office. I think we might have a lot of Warren Republicans that might help someone like Warren, who I think they will ultimately discover is someone they want working for them as well.

Here's an article that gives an example of how many tea partiers are just as much upset with Obama on his Wall Street ties and lack of holding them accountable as those of us progressives on the left. Now, they start from that position because they are pushed to not like Obama by the right wing and corporate media. But the message that echoes with them is that Obama and implicitly the Democrats are helping the Wall Street banksters screw them. Someone like Warren would completely twist that right wing message around.

https://johnhively.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/tea-party-republicans-and-progressive-democrats-unite-to-fight-against-the-wall-streets-buddies-obama-wyden-mcconnell-and-orrin-hatch/

The TPP that is getting pushed now will potentially be a big issue that will unite the people against the corporatists that are pushing that POS down our throats that benefits no one but the wealthy crooks in our society, and will do far more to mess with our country's sovereignty than the UN ever did, which is what the right has in the past been conditioned to be very upset about.

[Enthusiast]

47. She will win in a landslide.

[pnwmom]

52. If she were thinking about running, wouldn't she have spoken out about

Hillary's emails by now? Otherwise it will seem as if she doesn't care.

Maybe she doesn't.

[Enthusiast]

57. Maybe she just isn't a cheap politician that would exploit such a manufactured scandal.

[pnwmom]

60. Meaning she agrees it's a manufactured scandal.

I think if she were running she'd have started already. She doesn't have a campaign organization already in place, as Hillary does. Time's running out.

[rhett o rick]

95. Whether she runs or not, we must bring the corporatist powers down. We

can not survive 8 more years of Wall Street domination. The corporations will try to stop her and they may succeed, but they can't hold down the Movement forever. 22% of our children live in poverty and 45% live in lower income homes. Goldman-Sachs doesn't give a damn, I hope you do. HRC isn't the right choice to fight corporatism.

[pnwmom]

97. I wish I had more confidence that Elizabeth Warren could win.

And the longer she waits to begin a campaign, the more she reduces her chances.

Give me Hillary Clinton over any of the Rethugs any day.

And if she wins, I'd love her to appoint Elizabeth Warren to the Supreme Court.

[rhett o rick]

102. The problem with the lesser of evils theory is that those in power can

use that to manipulate us. At some point, maybe when child poverty reaches 50%, we will stand up to them.

[hopemountain]

71. which are you?

part of the small motivated minorIty or the lazy majority?

it's so easy to sling shit from an armchair.

she actually was voted most likely candidate by democracy for america. people are already raising money and flocking to her state to urge her to open an office. if elizabeth warren does not run it is because she is choosing to not run. she most definitely has people behind her and i venture to say the majority are the very same grassroots hardworking majority that elected president barack husseing obama.

[peacebird]

2. Me too. And she could win.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

77. Me three - count me in!

[one_voice]

3. I agree. I think she will be able..

to motivate young voters too. Wait now hear me out--she's on their side when it comes to student loans. She's for education. She's against the big banks/corporations that are screwing everyone.

I think she gives a good speech--she's not Obama but she's good. I think she has a good chance to build a nice grassroots movement much like Obama did.

She reaches a lot of the population--imo.

I think she could make the primary very interesting.

****I'm not against Hillary/for Warren or anyone else. I'm commenting in a thread about Elizabeth Warren.

I'd like to Martin O'Malley throw his hat in the ring too.

[think]

4. Yep. The Washington machine wouldn't like it though /nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

5. I don't know if Elizabeth has ever failed to inspire a crowd?

Well, aside from a crowd of bankers

[bigwillq]

6. Does a large chunk of America even know who she is?

I'm a Warren fan, but unless you follow politics not sure if the average American can tell you who she is.
They may know her from watching Faux, but if they know her from there, they probably think she's the devil. lol

[KamaAina]

8. Did a large chunk of America even know who Barack Obama was?

[hifiguy]

10. I'd bet that in early 2007 his name recognition

was around 10% nationally, if that.

[NYC Liberal]

32. 76%, actually.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/26815/mitt-romney-still-unknown-many-republicans.aspx

[hifiguy]

33. Wow. His 2004 convention speech must have had

a bigger impact than I gave it credit for. I remember watching that speech with my now deceased mom and telling her "That guy is gonna be President sooner rather than later."

[NYC Liberal]

35. It really did.

Warren’s name recognition is at 68% now (same time period) so she’s not doing too bad herself.

Hillary is at 99% — but that’s pretty understandable!

[Fred Friendlier]

82. Back at Harvard in the mid Eighties

there was an atmosphere of "there is this hotshot kid at the law school who is going to be president some day."

Nothing like that vibe ever attached itself to Warren.

All this underscores the fact that Obama had been laying the ground work for his run, for twenty years, before he became an overnight sensation and landed in the White House.

Warren, who I love and respect and admire, has not been doing anything to establish a run at the presidency - in keeping with her repeated disavowal of any intention of running.

So I think it would be best to seek out a candidate who reflects our interests and is interested in running. How about this:

"A black agenda is jobs, jobs, jobs, quality education, investment in infrastructure and strong democratic regulation of corporations. The black agenda, at its best, looks at America from the vantage point of the least of these and asks what's best for all."

Cornel West

[hifiguy]

106. We almost overlapped at HLS.

I graduated in spring 1988, same class as Michelle. He started that fall.

[Fred Friendlier]

115. Those were interesting times

This kind of story pops up surprisingly often. One of my friends, today, has a sister who was at North House but graduated in the spring before I moved in.

I hope that you have kept moving on to the bigger and the better and the happier.

[bigwillq]

37. Much higher than I would have thought.

Thanks for the info.

[cascadiance]

38. And with that name recognition, Obama didn't really surge in the polls until a year later...

during the 2008 primary season, especially right after Edwards pulled out...

There's still plenty of time for someone like Warren to overtake Hillary if she decides to run...

[hifiguy]

39. The endorsements from Caroline and Ted Kennedy didn't hurt him

one bit, either. I'd been on the fence and leaning Kucinich (yeah, I know he couldn't win) but when Kennedys speak I tend to pay attention.

[cascadiance]

48. I think Kucinich was held back by the PTB "keeping" Edwards in the campaign...

... until Super Tuesday, to draw away any possible build up of support for Kucinich then. I was an Edwards supporter then, and I think we were pushed to support him instead of someone like Kucinich, when the PTB knew they had a "plug" that they could pull when it suited them to have him removed from the campaign and leave the progressives without a real champion to vote for then... People then moved to Obama, since his more nebulous "vote for hope and change" had people hoping that he would carry through with some degree of progressive change, when Hillary at the time was more vocal about her support for things like war in the middle east. Of course many that went over to Obama were later disappointed when he did things like reverse himself in his campaign stances of looking to reform "free trade" deals like NAFTA, when he now seems to be behind pushing an even more potentially damaging TPP, that in effect are substantive reversals of those earlier campaign "promises".

I think it might be harder to insert an "Edwards" vote sink this time around, and I think that Warren has a lot more potential to draw voters than Kucinich did then, and people will be a lot more suspicious of candidates like Obama and Hillary this time around than they were in 2008.

[NYC Liberal]

45. Absolutely. Warren is at 68% name recognition; certainly not bad at all.

And I think it will rise even more.

I support Hillary. But I also think Warren is terrific and I will be thrilled to support her and vote for her if she wins the nomination. It’s still about year before the primaries and a lot can happen. It will be interesting, that’s for sure.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

79. Obama who? Oh yeah, that guy, the President, who Hillary supporters said had no chance. Riggghhhht.

[Luminous Animal]

54. That was 8 months prior to the election and after he had won the Iowa caucus.

[bigwillq]

12. I would have to say no.

Things can certainly change.

[bvar22]

20. A large chunk of the country didn't know who Bill Clinton was until LATE in the campaign.

He didn't start shining until the debates,
and people were saying , "Who is that guy from Arkansas?"

[Art_from_Ark]

120. I've known who Bill Clinton was since 1974

when he entered, and almost won, the race for 3rd Congressional District against a 4-term incumbent.

[NYC Liberal]

30. Yes. 76% of Americans knew who he was in March 2007.

[BainsBane]

34. Yes, they did. From the 2004 Democratic convention.

His speech made him a star.

[Smarmie Doofus]

18. Average Americans don't vote in primaries.

A good thing too. Because people who READ and analyze and ponder do.

Which is why she has an excellent chance. IF........

[HappyMe]

7. I would in a heart beat.

[clydefrand]

11. iF WARREN can be convinced to run,

I think the people that would back her will end up being much more active than those for Hillary. Because, Hillary has been 'running' for a long time, and I just don't think a lot of people will be active in supporting Hillary. It seen those that are for Warren are MUCH for 'get out and work for her' types.
As much as I've been for Hil., I might actually get out and work for Warren.

[TheNutcracker]

87. Spot on! Warren motivates even the disenchanted politically astute to work harder

than they would for Hillary. I for one.

[hrmjustin]

13. She would have a devoted following if she ran.

[Segami]

25. Hardcore!

After listening to her speeches, people will gravitate to her campaign. The word will spread like a brush fire.

[hifiguy]

40. She touches a real chord with a number of people I know

who pay attention to things but aren't hugely politically active. When was the last time a real economic populist headed the Dem ticket? George McGovern? LBJ?

[hrmjustin]

43. They were before my time.

[Liberalynn]

14. I would

[Smarmie Doofus]

15. I know *I* will.

And for Sanders as well.

For Clinton, no.

I might conceivably vote for her in a GE ( although I doubt it because NYS is never in play). But, no... I'm not traveling to friggin' Pa or Ohio or Va to elect help elect someone who is only marginally better than Scott Walker. (Yes, she'd make a better appointment to SCOTUS for the Ginsberg vacancy than would Walker, Inc; but that's *only* if she doesn't ask permission from Goldman Sachs before she does it.)

The DEM establishment can't get it thru its thick head that you have to *MOTIVATE* the base if you want it to work for you.


So.....MOTIVATE , already.

[HereSince1628]

16. Considering what a big chunk could be and her position in some polls

I think the measurement of 'big chunk of support' would without doubt be met.

It seems that there is already a big chunk committed to convincing her to change her mind about running.

[Vinca]

19. IMHO, she's the only person who could capture the "Obama" magic.

[KittyWampus]

21. I'll bet if unicorns existed they'd fart rainbows.

[Fearless]

29. You say that like it would be a bad thing.

[Left coast liberal]

22. I would!

[CTyankee]

23. Too old to do the walkin' but ready to do the callin' for Elizabeth!

If she is in our CT primary, I'm IN!

[zappaman]

24. Nah, they'll be riding unicorns!

Cuz that's just as likely as her running, unless you think she is lying.
I love her and donated to her Senate run even though I live on the other side of the country and I don't think she's a liar.

[DesertDawg]

26. Count me

IN!!!

[Fearless]

27. Count me in.

[edgineered]

28. I'm in, finally, NOT a *plug your nose and vote* candidate (run EW!)

[sorechasm]

42. "She can't win!"

Hillary told me so.

I don't care. I'll still campaign for Warren because she's the only one displaying the courage to lead.
(Hillary is following Warren's lead, why shouldn't we all?)

[edgineered]

64. that sounds like something Hilla(R)y would say!

[appalachiablue]

36. I would get on a bus to help her campaign, or walk if needed, gladly. Motivated, highly.

And Thomas Piketty has to be in her cabinet, Treasury post. Lafayette was given honorary American citizenship, so can the economist. This country needs all the help it can get to recover from neoliberal corporatism. Joseph Stiglitz too.

[hifiguy]

44. Piketty and Krugman.

Get some people with actual brains as economic advisers for once.

[cascadiance]

58. And maybe some real decent SCOTUS justices like Erwin Chemerinsky and Marjorie Cohn n/t

[hifiguy]

107. Chemerinsky would be great!

Smarter than a treeful of owls, a terrific writer and a hard-core lefty Democrat.

[appalachiablue]

62. Absolutely, Krugman too. Totally clean house from the previous regime. The 90s are long over.

[Enthusiast]

41. We are sick of the lying and the betrayals of the people for corporate interests.

Even with the entire media lying to us it is still readily apparent that we are being screwed.

Yet the President is still pushing the TPP. He must think we are fucking stupid.

[Ed Suspicious]

50. Or irrelevant.

[Enthusiast]

53. That too.

[rhett o rick]

98. It's not that he thinks we are stupid, he just thinks we should sit down and shut up. nm

[Enthusiast]

100. Sit down and shut up, we have billions of dollars to make for a few select special buddies.

We won't cut your social security too much, you know, just enough.

[slumcamper]

46. In in Iowa.

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. Like they did for Dennis Kucinich? And Lord knows he never wanted for airtime.

[cascadiance]

59. I think if Edwards had pulled out a lot earlier, Kucinich would have picked up a lot of his voters..

I know I would have looked at him strongly then, if the primaries hadn't really started yet. By the time Edwards pulled out right before Super Tuesday, the only two candidates that were left with a shot were Obama and Hilary then. If Edwards had had the "plug pulled" earlier on him (and I do believe the PTB knew about what was going on with him a lot earlier), then i think Kucinich might have had a real shot then. He would have at least made for an interesting campaign, and also prompted a lot more discussion on progressive stances on issues in the debates, etc. too.

[Orsino]

51. She's not going to, but yeah, I probably would. n/t

[TDale313]

55. I'd crawl for Warren.

If she ran (yeah, yeah, yeah- rainbow farting unicorns, blah blah blah) she'd be great. She's a fighter, she's got a great populist message, she's smart as a whip and comes across as very real. I think her message would resonate.

[Thinkingabout]

56. I will be behind whoever the DNC nominee

[BootinUp]

61. I'll bet a lot of them will be pukes! nt

[Helen Borg]

63. I agree. It would be a landslide, I believe.

Of course, they would try to create a Warren Scream situation to take her down.

[TheNutcracker]

66. SHE WILL WIN!

[awoke_in_2003]

67. If she runs...

she will likely be my first pick in the primaries, but she says she isn't.

[mopinko]

68. i would sell m farm, give her the money, and hit the road.

i got friends in iowa. i would love to spend more time with them.
i might even take out a mortgage on my kids.

[Raine1967]

69. Charles Pierce is a personal friend of hers.

HE calls her senator professor — He has said that she isn't running.

As a fellow woman, I respect her words. As a fellow progressive, I respect Charles Pierce.

[Thor_MN]

70. Except for the fact that she isn't running.

Which she has said multiple times...

[RufusTFirefly]

72. Warren is a real thorn in the side of the Clintonites

1. Unlike Hillary, she doesn't cozy up to the big banks.
2. She dispels accusations that opposition to Clinton is sexism.

[broadcaster75201]

73. Nope. America can't even be bothered to vote. They sure aren't getting on a bus n/t

nt

[father founding]

74. Slick Willie 2.0

Obama is Clinton reincarnated to screw the American people, this is not the change we believed in.

[demwing]

81. I think you woke up on the wrong side of the thread...

this isn't an Obama thread, jeez...

[democrank]

75. The fact that Elizabeth Warren may not run for president is irrelevant to me.

I just wish folks who say, "She`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, "she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running, she`s not running" , would quiet down for a little while so people like me can hear what she has to say.

After all, Elizabeth Warren has more sense than just about any other politician in....or out....of Washington.

[RiverLover]

78. +1!

Here's a bit of what she has to say~

Elizabeth Warren's 11 Commandments of Progressivism
National Journal
July 18, 2014

Watch Elizabeth Warren give a speech to her fold, and you realize she's one of the rare Democrats who can excite her base in the same way Ted Cruz or Dr. Ben Carson can excite their own. As Politico's Katie Glueck wrote on Friday, liberals' minds may be with Hillary Clinton, but their hearts lie with Warren.

Speaking on Friday at Netroots Nation, a convention for liberal bloggers and activists, Warren got the crowd more fired up than Vice President Joe Biden was able to do the day before. (To be fair, the crowd was in a solemn mood at the time in reaction to the news of the Malaysian passenger plane crash). In her speech, Warren outlined more clearly than other Democrats the social issues that galvanize progressives. Her performance was reminiscent of a certain other young senator in 2008.

"What are our values?" Warren asked the audience, some of whom held up "Run Liz Run" signs.

"What does it mean to be a progressive?"

She went on to outline 11 tenets of progressivism:

- "We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we're willing to fight for it."


- "We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth."

- "We believe that the Internet shouldn't be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality."

- "We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage."

- "We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them."

- "We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt."

- "We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions."

- "We believe—I can't believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work."

- "We believe that equal means equal, and that's true in marriage, it's true in the workplace, it's true in all of America."

- "We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform."

- "And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies. We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it. We will fight for it!"

And the main tenet of conservatives' philosophy, according to Warren? "I got mine. The rest of you are on your own."

*********************************************************

Run Liz Run!

[zappaman]

80. Who's stopping you from hearing what she has to say?

I've heard plenty and love it!
By the way, she's not running...

[MineralMan]

76. If you believe that, you should be encouraging her

to run. Have you done that? I suspect she has studied the situation, and has decided not to run. Do you suppose that she is getting bad advice from those she has as me? She appears to have made her decision at this point. I'm sure you could email her, though.

[spinbaby]

83. A story from 2008

In my small city two offices opened up ahead of the primary. Hillary's office was on the ground floor of a shiny new high-rent office building. She was endorsed by the "official" local Democrats. I never saw anyone go in or out of that office. Barack's office half a block away was in a dilapidated old storefront but it was a hive of activity. It was the candidate who generated enthusiasm and drew volunteers that won. Elizabeth Warren can do that.

[HappyMe]

86. This. Exactly.

[AtomicKitten]

99. great vignette

It's all about the big mo. It's Elizabeth's for the taking.

[RiverLover]

84. R&K!!!

Will ride a bus, knock on doors, listen to people's concerns, just like Progressives are doing in Chicago for Garcia.

Run Liz Run!

[wilsonbooks]

85. Damn straight.

[TheNutcracker]

88. Does this thread tell you something? Have you seen any other 100% positive thread on a candidate?

TOTAL UNITY. Like never before!

[HappyMe]

91. Yeah...but...but..a billion!1..name recognition...

...Hillary!!11....she's our candidate!!111....

[obnoxiousdrunk]

92. Agree. Except #74

[TheNutcracker]

94. Doesn't count cuz they're bashing Obama and Clinton...not Warren. 100% positive for Warren here!

[One of the 99]

105. That's called living in an Echo chamber.

I love Warren and would love to see her elected President. But I don't live in an echo chamber and know that she doesn't play well outside of the northeast and west coast. She'll be another Michael Dukakis.

[RiverLover]

109. Sure, because things in the US today are JUST like they were in 1988...

[One of the 99]

113. They are worse for progressives

The GOP controls more statehouses and congressional seats that in 1988. But if you want a more contemporary reference, she'll be another Kucinich. It's not anything against Warren, it's more against the people in middle america that wouldn't elect her.

[WillyT]

89. Count Me In...

[Beausoir]

90. I bet you also believe that wolverines make great house pets.

[AtomicKitten]

93. .

[great white snark]

96. Wasn't Oscar part wolverine?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=624815

[Beausoir]

111. The classic!

[Stellar]

101. I don't know anybody that I would put my money

behind BUT Elizabeth Warren.. even in the midnight if she so chose to run.

[TheNutcracker]

103. Exactly, and this is proving to be the mindset across america!

There will be many, many buses!

[TheNutcracker]

104. PS. Thursday kick!

[CloneClinton]

108. Let's think about this..

This whole let's have Warren run reminds me a lot of the chatter I read here years ago about Howard Dean.. Refresh my memory how did that work out!

[RiverLover]

110. It reminds me of the chatter on Huffpo in 2006 for Barack Obama.

How did that turn out?

[brooklynite]

112. Well, in 2006, Obama was organizing a campaign,,,

Elizabeth Warren is not.

[TheNutcracker]

116. And in a different way, so is Liz. She gets just as much attention/support 'not running'.

[brooklynite]

117. When Warren ran for Senate in 2012, did she forego organization and fundraising?

As one of her funders, I can authoritatively say "no".

[RiverLover]

118. If you are this certain she isn't going to run, why does it matter to you so much

that we hope she does?

You'll be able to tell us you were right soon enough. If you are. I hope you aren't. But either way, you seem to care more than you should what we hope for...

[brooklynite]

119. I care, because I have to deal with the aftermath...

...people whining that Warren was forced out of running by "The Powers That Be", and that they "weren't given a choice", when they had plenty of time to try and find a candidate who actually wanted to run.

[TheNutcracker]

121. Nothing about force will be said, but a fact remains, we will not have a choice.

We have a right to 'wine' about not having a choice. No one WANTS to run. Can't blame them. But, we still don't have a choice.

[brooklynite]

123. Out of curiosity, were you as outraged when Al Gore ran for President?

[RobertEarl]

122. If not Warren, it'll be a republican

As it stands she's our best hope for real change.