How do you get shot in the face and released from the hospital the same day?

[Drunken Irishman]

[Turbineguy]

1. A hospital run by

republicans?

[anotojefiremnesuka]

2. No or crappy medical insurance would be reason

However almost all insurance companies don't pay shit and they find ways to keep you from being admitted in patient too.

Heck I know 2 women who gave birth and the insurance would not even cover a 24 hours stay, they kicked them out and sent them home within 12 hours of giving birth.

In this case they could have also checked them self out against medical advice.

I hate hospitals myself and if I could physically move I would check myself out against medical advice. I would rather be at home healing.

[TheKentuckian]

3. If you are really lucky I guess it could just not have done any structural damage

Like a bullet passing through cheeks or something like that where there is nothing to do but stitch you up.

[Sherman A1]

4. As we do not know the details

of the injuries and I suspect none of us are medical experts one can only assume that there are reasons beyond what we understand and perhaps need to understand.

I hope the officers are doing okay.

[billhicks76]

5. Good Question

I was surprised they were let out so early. Glad they're ok. We want both sides to lessen violence not increase it. This makes me wonder though if this story is media ratings driven

[malaise]

6. Better question - how do you move from critical to serious

to home in less than 24 hours?

It sure smells like BS

[ninjanurse]

11. Early misinformation

Like a lot of news stories, the first things that come out are not accurate. Imagine someone arriving at the ER with a gunshot wound- it would take time to assess the damage.

[malaise]

13. As in deliberate misinformation n/t

[linuxman]

7. Real estate and terminal ballistics have their #1 rule in common

Location, location, location.

A shot to the head does not mean a shot to the brain. There are innumerable ways for a round to pass through a persons face, yet result in nothing more than sutures, anti-inflammatories, some painkillers, and some rest at home.

Luck was on his side for sure. Could have been way worse.

[avebury]

8. Link please? nt

[secondwind]

9. I thought the bullet was lodged behind the right ear..... this doesn't make sense to me. n/t

[marym625]

15. That's what I heard too

Hours after it happened.

[hack89]

22. I read it went through his cheek first. nt

[Rex]

28. Someone here posted yesterday the bullet entered and was under one of the eyes.

I guess not. Glad they are okay and out of danger. It sounded horrible from first reports.

[onenote]

32. The doctor that treated him explained it.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2015/03/12/police-officers-shot-ferguson-police-department/70194818/

Of course, he's only a doctor and thus his word shouldn't be taken as having more credibility than the speculation of untrained DUers with no access to the actual details of the injury.

[Rex]

35. Lucky cop. An inch or two over and it would have been in his brain. nt

nt

[Logical]

38. Who are you whining about? Link. nt

[sendero]

10. Purportedly.....

.... this was a shot from a handgun at quite a distance. The bullet's velocity and impact would be greatly reduced. It probably barely penetrated the skin.

[leveymg]

18. If this was a handgun w/out a scope, the shooter had to be an expert. Look for yourself.

Could you make two out of four shots from this distance, rapid-fire, hitting both officers? Street view Google 23 Tiffin Ave, Ferguson, MO. That's the Ferguson PD in the red brick building at the bottom of the hill, about 120 yards away. The officers were standing either side behind the flag pole.

With an AR15 and a scope, an easy shot. With a handgun? Very, very difficult.

[hack89]

21. An AR-15 would have blown half his face away

It has every indication of a pistol round fired at long range. You have fallen for the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy

[leveymg]

25. Depends upon caliber and type of round. Read this:

A .22 round is somewhat less powerful than a .223, and both can be fired from a rifle.

The most striking of these incidents occurred in the village of a-Nabi Saleh on 5 December 2014. At the end of the weekly demonstration, a handful of village youths threw stones at soldiers. The military had stationed a sniper armed with a Ruger rifle together with a captain in an open area some distance from the village homes. The youths withdrew to a distance some 140 meters away, beyond the effective range of 0.22 bullets, thereby essentially ending the confrontation. Yet, about half an hour later, the captain and sniper walked some 200 meters into the built-up part of the village, for no apparent reason other than provoking the youths into renewing the stone-throwing, as indeed then transpired. The sniper responded by shooting at a Palestinian youth, who was hit in the thigh. The youth, whose injury was termed light, was taken to hospital in Ramallah. At no point were the troops in mortal danger and in any case, the confrontation was intentionally renewed by the soldiers’ who entered the village, apparently on orders from above.

in full: http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20150118_use_of_live_ammunition_in_wb

[hack89]

27. A .223 is significantly more powerful than a .22

there is no real comparison. This is what they look like side by side:

[leveymg]

30. There's a range of .22 and .223 rounds. You're showing a .22 shortie. A .22 MAG has a casing

that's not a lot shorter than than the .223.



Given that the wounds weren't that serious, I would conclude that it was a .22LR rather than Mag. Probably not a .223. We'll find out that part of the puzzle today, I'm sure.

[hack89]

33. But the example you gave was not a .22 Mag

.22 Mag is a very powerful round - it was not what the IDF was using.

[leveymg]

37. The point I'm making here is that this appears to be a small calibre rifle shot with a scope.

The exact ordinance used by the sniper in Ferguson is not so important to that essential fact.

[Rex]

29. It could have been a 222

Much larger round, but I bet it was a 22 long. Glad the cops are out of danger.

[sendero]

23. I totally agree...

... that making that shot with a handgun would be quite a feat. But we don't really know what the shooter was aiming it.

My guess is that the shooter just fired in the general direction and the cops happened to get hit.

[leveymg]

26. That "random shooting" scenario doesn't conform with the facts.

2/3 or 2/4 hit ratio from 120 yards against targets 10-15 apart in rapid fire? No. This shooter knew what he was doing, and was accurate and fast. Also got away from the scene, which shows planning.

[sendero]

31. Well...

.... I've long since given up on the idea that we will ever know the unknowable. I'll be surprised if this person is ever caught and even more surprised if we ever learn what actually happened.

And no, the results of a jury trial aren't definitive, they often have bogus outcomes. Eyewitness recollections are scientifically known to be very doubtful. Lots of the "facts" we knew, are not facts.

[Vinca]

12. Unlike Republicans, we shouldn't play doctor.

[NuclearDem]

14. I <3 context

Context: Because not everyone's watching TV at the same time you are.

[onenote]

16. More information here

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2015/03/12/police-officers-shot-ferguson-police-department/70194818/

[GOLGO 13]

17. Tis was but a flesh wound.

1 tough cop I imagine.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

19. Good question.

Got anything, Dick?

[Brickbat]

20. There are many different angles and distances that would make this possible.

[leveymg]

36. The witnesses said they saw muzzle flashes and heard the shots come from "up the hill" across the

street, between 100-200 yards. 120 yards North-Northwest from the Ferguson PD is a house at 23 Tiffin Ave. Google street view that. Line of sight right down to the PD building, but you can see in the unmagnified view it's too far for an accurate shot without a scope. Magnify twice, and the shot looks very straightforward.

We know exactly what the angle and distance was, and it's not consistent was a handgun without a scope.

[snooper2]

39. have you given this detailed information to the investigators?

[leveymg]

40. The cops saw the muzzle flashes, and immediately ran up that hill.

My conclusions are deduced from media reports and a bit of googling. I wouldn't tell the police anything they didn't already knew right after the incident. I'm just trying to straighten out the speculations (wrong) that this was somehow an impulse shooting with a handgun.

[ileus]

24. So you don't think the officer was shot in the face???

The moon landing was a fake also.

[cwydro]

34. A couple of years ago,

I broke my shoulder in five places.

Had major surgery (general anesthesia), a 3 and a half hour plus procedure, in which they bolted a steel rod with eighteen bolts to my shoulder and upper arm.

Released the same day.

[NM_Birder]

41. its a conspiracy man !

How is anything possible ?!

[marshall]

42. When you're in a hurry to get out of town?

he may have wanted to be closer to family--could have gone to another hospital.