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Algernon Moncrieff

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Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:01 AM Mar 2015

So, if president Obama sold anti-tank missiles to Iran, congress would:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

Michael Ledeen, a consultant of National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane, requested assistance from Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres for help in the sale of arms to Iran.[19][20] Having been designated a State Sponsor of Terrorism since January 1984,[21] Iran was in the midst of the Iran–Iraq War and could find few Western nations willing to supply it with weapons.[22] The idea behind the plan was for Israel to ship weapons through an intermediary (identified as Manucher Ghorbanifar)[4] to the Islamic republic as a way of aiding a supposedly moderate, politically influential faction within the regime of the Ayatollah Khomeini who was believed to be seeking a rapprochement with the United States; after the transaction, the United States would reimburse Israel with the same weapons, while receiving monetary benefits.[23] The Israeli government required that the sale of arms meet high level approval from the United States government, and when McFarlane convinced them that the U.S. government approved the sale, Israel obliged by agreeing to sell the arms.[19]

In 1985 President Reagan entered Bethesda Naval Hospital for colon cancer surgery. While the President was recovering in the hospital, McFarlane met with him and told him that representatives from Israel had contacted the National Security Agency to pass on confidential information from what Reagan later described as the "moderate" Iranian faction opposed to the Ayatollah's hardline anti-American policies.[23] According to Reagan, these Iranians sought to establish a quiet relationship with the United States, before establishing formal relationships upon the death of the aging Ayatollah.[23] In Reagan's account, McFarlane told Reagan that the Iranians, to demonstrate their seriousness, offered to persuade the Hezbollah militants to release the seven U.S. hostages.[24] McFarlane met with the Israeli intermediaries;[25] Reagan claims that he allowed this because he believed that establishing relations with a strategically located country, and preventing the Soviet Union from doing the same, was a beneficial move.[23] Although Reagan claims that the arms sales were to a "moderate" faction of Iranians, the Walsh Iran/Contra Report states that the arms sales were "to Iran" itself,[26] which was under the control of the Ayatollah.

Following the Israeli–U.S. meeting, Israel requested permission from the United States to sell a small number of TOW antitank missiles (tube-launched, optically tracked, and wire-guided) to Iran, claiming that this would aid the "moderate" Iranian fraction,[24] by demonstrating that the group actually had high-level connections to the U.S. government.[24] Reagan initially rejected the plan, until Israel sent information to the United States showing that the "moderate" Iranians were opposed to terrorism and had fought against it.[27] Now having a reason to trust the "moderates", Reagan approved the transaction, which was meant to be between Israel and the "moderates" in Iran, with the United States reimbursing Israel.[24] In his 1990 autobiography An American Life, Reagan claimed that he was deeply committed to securing the release of the hostages; it was this compassion that supposedly motivated his support for the arms initiatives.[4] The president requested that the "moderate" Iranians do everything in their capability to free the hostages held by Hezbollah.[28]

The following arms were supplied to Iran:[29][30]

August 20, 1985 – 96 TOW anti-tank missiles
September 14, 1985 – 408 more TOWs
November 24, 1985 – 18 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles
February 17, 1986 – 500 TOWs
February 27, 1986 – 500 TOWs
May 24, 1986 – 508 TOWs, 240 Hawk spare parts
August 4, 1986 – More Hawk spares
October 28, 1986 – 500 TOWs



..and who says we "never negotiate with terrorists"?
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So, if president Obama sold anti-tank missiles to Iran, congress would: (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 OP
GOP hypocrisy knows no bounds /nt think Mar 2015 #1
they would... Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #2
Probably true Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #3
 

Man from Pickens

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2. they would...
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:28 AM
Mar 2015

quietly approve it as a last-minute slip-in to some must-pass bill because it benefits their MIC donors

while publicly lambasting him all the way

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