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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 08:43 AM Mar 2015

We need another Clinton.

Wait, wait...not another actual Clinton. A candidate who, as Clinton did, came out of nowhere. Not a Hillary or Al Gore. No more recycled candidates with ready-made hatred and boredom built in.

Bill Clinton was fresh, he excited people, he infuriated the right because they didn't know who he was, he wasn't part of the club, they had no ready-made excuses or talking points, like the warehouses full of crap they'll throw (are throwing) at Hillary or Al.

A little new blood, new ideas...is that too much to ask? Yeah, it probably is.

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We need another Clinton. (Original Post) Atman Mar 2015 OP
Like much of modern America, even our politicos are Brands(tm). morningfog Mar 2015 #1
I agree on all points but one ... Scuba Mar 2015 #2
Just curious what the context of this photo is. What was the event that they gathered? misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #6
Here you go. Octafish Mar 2015 #7
Thanks. Good Read. Appears it was a gathering of Southern Governors misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #11
In the late '70's Wallace had a change of heart and renounced his past support of segregation and Erose999 Mar 2015 #17
Wallace must have had quite the "come to jesus meeting" to turn a 180. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #18
He had a "come to Jesus moment " when they got the right to vote./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #20
Perhaps Hillary might have a come to Jeezus moment of her own regarding Wall St. and the winds of Erose999 Mar 2015 #21
Nixon tasked E Howard Hunt to plant pro-DEM literature in his would-be assassin's apartment. Octafish Mar 2015 #19
That plan was never carried out, though. hifiguy Mar 2015 #22
Subterranean History... Octafish Mar 2015 #23
We just need someone with the right plans. mmonk Mar 2015 #3
It's like the party is still getting over the Obama/Clinton earthquake BeyondGeography Mar 2015 #4
New blood would be a plus. "New ideas"... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #5
I'm not so sure it can be done with the current conditions we have today. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #8
We have a weak bench. cali Mar 2015 #9
Yes we do. Serious problem. Considering the worst of the Bench appointees arrived via the misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #13
By the time Bill was elected the right had defined him and pilloried him. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #10
As with Obama, Clinton didn't come out of nowhere brooklynite Mar 2015 #12
And he was just a really likeable guy. Rather genuine and kinda fun. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #14
Doesn't really matter...the CIA picks the president anyway. Atman Mar 2015 #16
We have one now. Orsino Mar 2015 #15
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. Like much of modern America, even our politicos are Brands(tm).
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 08:48 AM
Mar 2015

Buy the logo and don't ask questions.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
6. Just curious what the context of this photo is. What was the event that they gathered?
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:15 AM
Mar 2015

I see a handshake between Wallace & GHW and young Bill seated at the table. Where was this photo taken?

I ask because I have seen this here on DU several times and I understand the suggestion, but what was the purpose of the event?
Anyone have a reference to this?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. Here you go.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:25 AM
Mar 2015

Kennebunkport, July 30, 1983: Bill Clinton, George Bush & George Wallace.



Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.

CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

Michael Beschloss, my mom's favorite historian, says it's genuine: https://twitter.com/beschlossdc/status/275941914182828033

George Wallace did all he could to oppose President Kennedy and his administration's policy to integrate public schools, including the University of Alabama.

Something else important to know: Wallace’s running mate in 1968 was Gen. Curtis LeMay, who exhibited insubordination to President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis. President Kennedy, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern noted, exhibited signs of stress over the possibility of a military coup.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
11. Thanks. Good Read. Appears it was a gathering of Southern Governors
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:47 AM
Mar 2015

I suppose Bill came for the invitation & stayed for the lobster.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
17. In the late '70's Wallace had a change of heart and renounced his past support of segregation and
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:52 AM
Mar 2015

his famous stand at the schoolhouse door. He apologized to civil rights leaders, and spoke at a commemoration of the Selma march. In his final term as Governor, he appointed a number of African Americans to state offices that has yet to be surpassed. In his last election he had 90% of the black vote.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
18. Wallace must have had quite the "come to jesus meeting" to turn a 180.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:56 AM
Mar 2015

Interesting politics from that era.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
21. Perhaps Hillary might have a come to Jeezus moment of her own regarding Wall St. and the winds of
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 12:42 PM
Mar 2015

change within the Democratic party now. I doubt it though.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. Nixon tasked E Howard Hunt to plant pro-DEM literature in his would-be assassin's apartment.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:39 AM
Mar 2015

Nice way to smear liberals. Like someone with authority did with Oswald and Cuba.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. Subterranean History...
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:53 PM
Mar 2015
From DUer John Simkin's Spartacus Schoolnet:

Mark Felt of the Federal Bureau of Investigation immediately took charge of the case. According to the historian Dan T. Carter (The Politics of Rage), Felt had a trusted contact in the White House: Charles Colson. Felt gave Colson the news. Within 90 minutes of the shooting Richard Nixon and Colson are recorded discussing the case. Nixon told Colson that he was concerned that Bremer “might have ties to the Republican Party or, even worse, the President’s re-election committee”. Nixon also asked Colson to find a way of blaming George McGovern for the shooting.

Over the next few hours, Colson and Felt talk six times on the telephone. Felt gave Colson the address of Bremer's home. Colson now phoned E. Howard Hunt and asked him to break-in to Bremer's apartment to discover if he had any documents that linked him to Nixon or George McGovern. According to Hunt's autobiography, Undercover, he disliked this idea but made preparations for the trip. He claimed that later that night Colson calls off the operation.

At 5:00 p.m. Thomas Farrow, head of the Baltimore FBI, passed details of Bremer’s address to the FBI office in Milwaukee. Soon afterwards two FBI agents arrived at Bremer’s apartment block and begin interviewing neighbours. However, they do not have a search warrant and do not go into Bremer’s apartment.

At around the same time, James Rowley, head of the Secret Service, ordered one of his Milwaukee agents to break into Bremer’s apartment. It has never been revealed why Rowley took this action. It is while this agent is searching the apartment that the FBI discover what is happening. According to John Ehrlichman, the FBI was so angry when they discovered the Secret Service in the apartment that they nearly opened fire on them.

The Secret Service took away documents from Bremer’s apartment. It is not known if they planted anything before they left. Anyway, the FBI discovered material published by the Black Panther Party and the American Civil Liberties Union in the apartment. Both sets of agents now left Bremer’s apartment unsealed. Over the next 80 minutes several reporters enter the apartment and take away documents.

Charles Colson also phoned journalists at the Washington Post and Detroit News with the news that evidence had been found that Bremer is a left-winger and was connected to the campaign of George McGovern. The reporters were also told that Bremer is a “dues-paying member of the Young Democrats of Milwaukee”. The next day Bob Woodward (Washington Post) and Gerald terHost (Detroit News) publish this story.

The following day that the FBI discovered Bremer’s 137-page written diary in his blue Rambler car. The opening sentence was: "Now I start my diary of my personal plot to kill by pistol either Richard Nixon or George Wallace." Nixon was initially suspected of being behind the assassination but the diary gets him off the hook. The diary was eventually published as a book, An Assassin's Diary (1973).

Bremer’s trial lasted only five days. His attorney, Benjamin Lipsitz argued that Bremer was was a "schizophrenic" who could not be held responsible for his actions. Eight psychiatrists and two psychologists testified but they were divided on the issue of his sanity. Bremer was convicted of attempted murder and sentenced to 63 years in prison. In August 1972, three appeal judges reduced Bremer's sentence to 53 years.

SOURCE: http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKbremer.htm

John Dean never explained what he meant by: "If Teddy knew the bear trap he was walking into at Chappaquiddick..."

On page 121, White House Tapes Paperback Edition, published by New York Times.

I wonder what Nixon's lawyer meant in 1973, four years afterward? Did he refer to a Secret Team-CIA-mafia hit job Ted survived, like the 1964 plane crash with Birch Bayh? White House tapes also show Nixon went along with assigning a murderous Secret Service agents to "guard" Ted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5538381

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
4. It's like the party is still getting over the Obama/Clinton earthquake
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:03 AM
Mar 2015

Ok, he won and got re-elected, now it's her turn. This is taking up at least a decade, and a certain paralysis has resulted. Hillary hasn't declared (no need) and neither has anyone else.

Who might the new Clinton be? How about someone tech-savvy and young, like Andy Berke, the mayor of Chattanooga, who fought big corporations, built the fastest Internet in the world and is advising other communities on how/whether it makes sense for them. I don't know much about him, but that piece of his story is enough to make me want to learn more.

That we don't know more about potential alternatives is at least partially a function of one family dominating the discussion for three decades. Not healthy.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
5. New blood would be a plus. "New ideas"...
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:09 AM
Mar 2015

... is a bit more problematic. The new ideas that came in w. the Clinton era turned out to be .... pretty much .... NO ideas at all. Just Republican-Light. ( And more "Republican" than "Light".)

At this point "new ideas" ( implying BETTER ideas) could and should draw on the OLD ideas of the pre-Clinton party.

In other words, inspired by FDR, not Hoover.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
8. I'm not so sure it can be done with the current conditions we have today.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:39 AM
Mar 2015

With the media what they are, and the divide in the parties today, I am just not so sure we can replicate the win of Bill Clinton against a sitting POTUS.
It was Bill's upset win that brought about a shift in how the Right approached their elections.
They were far more undermining, hard core, and organized from the bottom up.
From gerrymandering to voter purge, and with talk radio & media working its way to the fore with bias, the Right has managed to orchestrate a divide in this country that is not going away anytime soon.

When all they now need is a POTUS to complete the trifecta, and many Dem voters we need simply beat down to where voting isn't the privilege worth bothering with like it was back in the Clinton day of the 90's, I do not have an answer as to how we beat them back.

Tough slog. Even since Obama was elected, the Right has been busy dividing even further, and undermining the ability of those who would likely vote Dem.

Much has changed and not in the favor of Dems, since Bill Clinton's out-of-nowhere election.

Those who set out, following Clinton's upset election, to move the odds in their favor have done so with little challenge or prosecution.

When money rules, this is the result.

IMO.
Thanks

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
13. Yes we do. Serious problem. Considering the worst of the Bench appointees arrived via the
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:03 AM
Mar 2015

..Bush crime family.
The history of that "family" and the trail to what threat we have today, undermining our very Democratic process, of by & for the American people, is a pretty glaring tale of how we got to the point of fighting against something so well funded, organized and lethal.

Their vision of American was much different than the rest of ours.
They had to begin a process to take the middle out of the Nation, to have the power they do today.
Slice, dice, and a few final clean cuts and the Bush Criminal enterprise marches forward.
Aided by a few of their billionaire friends, knowing that most everything can be had for a price.

I don't know how to undo this.
We start with taking 2016 from them, and we either unite or hand it over.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. By the time Bill was elected the right had defined him and pilloried him.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:43 AM
Mar 2015

He was also one of the most naturally gifted politicians of our generation.





Go to the 2:30 mark.

brooklynite

(94,513 posts)
12. As with Obama, Clinton didn't come out of nowhere
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:58 AM
Mar 2015

It took him a while to be noticed, but he had a long leadup to the campaign organizing political and financial support. Anyone who hasn't started that process by now is going to be hard-pressed to "pop up" successfully.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
14. And he was just a really likeable guy. Rather genuine and kinda fun.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:07 AM
Mar 2015

People did like him and he did what GHW (or any Bush) would not do.

Walk among the crowd.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
15. We have one now.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:10 AM
Mar 2015

If we want a candidate with new ideas, however, those have been marginalized by the money.

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