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Unintended consequences: Obama traces origin of ISIS to Bush-era Iraq invasion
Published time: March 17, 2015 04:17
Edited time: March 18, 2015 09:46
http://rt.com/usa/241325-obama-isis-iraq-bush/
President Barack Obama traced the origins of Islamic State militants back to the presidency of George W. Bush and the invasion of Iraq back in 2003, arguing that its growth was an unintended consequence of the war.
In an interview with Vice News, President Obama said the rise of Islamic State (IS, also known as ISIS/ISIL) can be directly linked to Americas excursion into Iraq under Bush.
Two things: One is, ISIL is a direct outgrowth of Al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion, Obama said in an interview with VICE News. Which is an example of unintended consequences. Which is why we should generally aim before we shoot.
Obama stated that he is confident a coalition consisting of 60 nations will slowly push back ISIL out of Iraq, but added that the challenge of stopping extremism wont stop unless there is a political solution to the internal strife affecting so many countries in the Middle East.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)n/t
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
C Moon
(12,213 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)That's really sumpin'!
alfredo
(60,071 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I want dickless to be shamed somehow, in a severe way
lastlib
(23,224 posts)pasty white skin results from spending so much time wearing sheets, suppose??
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)puppet?
The bush family's link to power goes way back, to the Civil war and railroad era.
Cheney's goes back to...cheney. Unless you know something I don't.
kacekwl
(7,016 posts)family knew W needed help moving his lips. Enter Cheney.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Because there are no secrets involved and we can see and hear and have a brain.
How 'bout you?
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)that means "we can see and hear and have a brain".
or maybe not. just your supposition.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)...... what are you even arguing about?
Like we're making scientific analyses instead of snarky jokes.
And having lived thru the Bush years, and having a memory, it was obvious Dubya was not that engaged with that whole governing thing (one page DPB's...he didn't even read, y'know). Not so good for press conferences and PR either but it's what they got. He, like Reagan was a PR President.... a GOP idea.
But
Yes yes, I cannot see into the Bush family collective brain. Nothing about decades of external behavior or incidences and verbiages could possibly give us a clue as to what they are like or how they operate. THANK YOU, ND-Dem, for being so fair and understanding. I grovel.... I grovel in mortification...
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)disgruntled Iraqi military officers (under Saddam) and AQ-aligned Sunnis who were too hard to kill the first time around. They went underground like cockroaches and then got the band back together a few years later. It's really that simple.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)Bravo!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Can everyone at least agree on that?!
cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)heil
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)to me ...
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but I love that commercial. "Flo" delivers that line so deadpan.
on edit: Added the video for those who haven't seen it. She makes him feel so good for 25 seconds, then buries the knife
lastlib
(23,224 posts)I am so sick of that ******* "Flo", I could retch when I see her mug.
(nuttin' personal, awoke!)
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I hear you, though
Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)indefinite detention, the Patriot Act, torture, war crimes, drone killings, persecution of whistle-blowers and journalists, etc., preclude him from being a "Populist President". Sen Warren wants to control Wall Street, while Pres Obama and Holder are willing to give them a pass. Almost all of Pres Obama's appointees have been conservatives. How again is he "Populist"???
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I figured it had something to do with questioning his lying, cheating, reign of terror.
What a petulant man-child
sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)bulloney
(4,113 posts)How dare he not accept the blame for ISIS and blame Bush/Cheney on top of that!
When will these liberals (the fact these goofs call Obama a liberal is laughable) start owning up to their mistakes (another good laugh at their skills of projecting).
I've been reading it on FB and other social media for the past day.
marym625
(17,997 posts)In letting the world and American citizens know that we realize how horrible what we did was, is to prosecute those that committed war crimes.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)There should be some kind of international law against that LOL
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)wouldn't have to. Now it becomes political when it an actual fact.
If only that librul media would do their job.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Really the CIA in Afghanistan was who birthed the large multi national Islamic fighting force that first formed in Afghanistan, then moved to the former Yugoslavia, and finally wound up in Iraq and Syria. You could say we gave the seed money, and really our invasion of Iraq and then what went down in Syria gave it a huge shot in the arm.
I really only think that it can currently be defeated on an ideological basis and by not sending arms to the middle east, because the arms can be captured or sold to them from who we originally give them to. Another important part is to become energy independent. I think Obama actually knows this and is quietly trying to both do it and educate the public. However the GOP, and sadly, too many of our countrymen think that force is somehow an option that will work.
For years after Vietnam we understood this reality. However one bad thing I think about the Gulf War and our success there was that it sort of emboldened the hawks. After the self congratulatory wallowing we were doing after the Gulf War went so well, combined with the fall of the USSR I knew our imperialistic and hawkish elements were going to lead the country down the path of problems again.
randr
(12,412 posts)infuriating the dormant extremists, namely Bin Laden and ilk.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,976 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)or something like that...
K&R
knightmaar
(748 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)I found Frontline's program "The Rise of Isis" quite interesting.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/rise-of-isis/
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)killed and or beheaded. We have to encourage the surrounding armies (Sauds etc) to take up the cause. If they want stability in the region then they'll have to step up. The Pentagon loves war as well as the MIC (Military Industrial Complex)
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)and I don't want to see troops on the ground either. My point in posting the link was to show the blame goes beyond Bush. Obama played a role as well through neglect and ignoring Malaki's purges of the Sunni. The whole thing is a royal screw up, and now we are facing the consequences.
Submariner
(12,504 posts)Have Pelosi and Reid introduce a Bill to bomb some place that republicans hate, like the MSNBC studio during the weekend so Rachel is safe, and then like the republicans, sneakily bury a sentence in the Bill that allows Obama to run for a third term. He's too good to let go so soon.
Let's do it!
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)The stark difference would make some people hang their heads in shame
We were shown this difference when Obama (superman in some respects) took over after W, the worst president of all time.
We saw how different it was and we forgot about it so quickly, some of us did, anyway.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Allowing an axe murderer in the house because your kids make a mess and talk back ....isn't a very good idea.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)AikenYankee
(135 posts)conservative friends with a Third Obama term for six years now! Drives them crazy!!
Sounds like a great idea to me .... (except for that constitutional thing.)
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Third and fourth Obama terms. Beats the alternatives.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)thinking that I didn't need another reason to hate Hillary.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Obama could have left her dumb ass in the Senate where she chaired no committees and had no seniority. But he gave her actual foreign policy experience as SOS to bolster her resume that largely consisted of fantastical claims such as bringing peace to Ireland and ducking sniperfire in Tuzla. What does he get for his gracious generosity? She stabs him in the back and self-promotes her hawkish views. She forgets she lost in large part because of her hawkishness, so I look forward to a reckoning that is surely headed her way.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)She makes that quite clear in her interview that the "maximalist" stance she takes on every issue from Israel's bombing of Gaza to Iran enrichment is essentially the same as Bibi's and the Saudis'.
As she admits, "there is no distance" on these matters - Hillary might as well be Bibi or the Saudi foreign minister.
Does no one else find this remarkable? Are we really expected to quietly accept her nomination as the Democratic candidate for President without even discussion?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)And ignored for the most part by too many here.
It is my #1 reason, and lord knows there are many, why I cannot and will not vote for her.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Hillary has been enabling the "maximalist" hard-line positions of the Israeli RW and the Saudis, and will by all indication continue to do so. Clinton, along with the GOP neocons, share responsible for much of the chaos and sectarian violence that is spilling over out of the region. That fact is widely ignored around here. Let's see what we can do about that.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)red dog 1
(27,797 posts)God, I hope Bernie Sanders becomes a Democrat and runs against HRC for the Democratic nomination.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)I believe everything that happened was well planned and quite intentional.
mopinko
(70,097 posts)than to bomb a country that did nothing to deserve it.
we should have invaded saudi arabia if we were really trying to punish the perpetrators of 9/11.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)These are the children of the Iraq war.
Would be interesting to know how many ISIL fighters are orphans or had family killed during the Iraq war.
This was my biggest argument against the Iraq war that it would lead to a generation of children growing up with hate and vengence in their heart thus leading to more terrorism and war.
the_sly_pig
(741 posts)And with only one hand!!!
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)you kidding!
Mahalo Miles
ut oh
(895 posts)up the back of W's shirt? The puppet master at work....
former9thward
(32,002 posts)That should not even be allowed on DU. My, how time has changed.....
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Vice News instead of just linking to the interview. Here's the source:
https://news.vice.com/video/president-obama-speaks-with-vice-news
former9thward
(32,002 posts)But based on the subject matter they are slammed for using "Putin's propaganda". Here not so much....
samsingh
(17,595 posts)pure evil
Marr
(20,317 posts)the greedy, arrogant assholes in charge didn't really give a shit about such side effects. They had their short term goals and lots of dick to waggle, and they just barged forward and did it with the the acquiescence of the political establishment and lots of media cover.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)red dog 1
(27,797 posts)"PNAC, co-founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan, was a neo-conservative think tank (1997-2006) that had strong ties to the American Enterprise Institute.
PNAC is noteworthy for it's focus on Iraq, a preoccupation that began before Bush became president and predates the attacks of September 11, 2001."
More:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_for_the_New_American_Century