DOJ couldn't prove Wilson WASN'T in fear for his life, of course he WAS in fear for his life.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The entire case comes down to whether or not the DOJ could PROVE the cop was NOT in fear for his life.

So, the DOJ had to prove that Wilson was NOT in fear for his life and they couldnt prove that because of course Wilson had CREATED a situation where he damned well deserved to be in fear for his life.

What did he create?

Go back to the city itself, harassment of black people as if it was 1920's Alabama, add to that the "get the FUCK out of the street"

SLAMMING the car in reverse and practically running into Brown, so close to him he cant get the door open and then NOT waiting for back up and then fighting over a gun Brown figured would be used to kill him (guess he was right) and so while running away and being shot at, Brown turns around and does who knows what, OF COURSE that fucking racist pig fuck was in fear for his life.

So if a cop is shooting at you for JAYWALKING and you figure the only way to save your LIFE is to maybe run toward the cop to stop the shooting as you are UNARMED , that is what you do; personally I don't believe he did that at all, I think he fell toward the cop while the cop ruthlessly and with NO regard for Browns life, slaughtered him in the street like a rabid dog.

[yeoman6987]

1. I imagine many law schools will use this case

For decades to show what to do and not do during situations. Maybe police adademies too.

[brush]

129. Wilson at 240lb and 6'4" tall is a scared coward who needed to be in a different line of work

Armed and at that size he was the one allegedly afraid for his life in an encounter he caused with an unarmed teen.

BS.

One humongous error in judgment after another after another compounded a simple jaywalking incident into a dead body in the street.

What a 240lb, 6'4" punk, who resorted to claiming Brown was like a demon so he had to gun him down.

That's CYO BS.

He was so "scared" he must have sh_t in his pants and forgot to called for back-up and then forgot to use his big 6'4", 240lb body and/or non-lethal weapon to neutralize a bleeding and wounded teen.

Newsflash to Wilson: That's why they hired your big ass. You had the physical girth to handle suspects without having to kill them. All you needed was some courage.

Get in line behind Dorothy and the cowardly lion on the yellow brick road.

[DefenseLawyer]

2. He still shot an unarmed man half a football field away

If I find myself "in fear for my life" by someone 150 feet away, and I have a gun and he doesn't, I would hope that filling him full of bullets wouldn't be my only option. Unfortunately, police all over the country are taught to shoot as a first resort, not last. As the Brown family attorney has said, Wilson "did what he wanted to do, not what he had to do."

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

6. What the defenders of the racist cop dont understand is, there is no debate here.

Only certain people are "debating" whether or not Wilson is clearly a racist, that he CREATED this situation (not unlike Georgie Boy Zimmerman created his) and Brown is now dead.

If these things were happening repeatedly to young white men by racist black cops (black people cant be racist in america but if you reverse everything the past 200 yrs they could be) you would see a civil war, period.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

10. I think you may be confused about the meaning of the word "debate"... N.T.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

11. Debate requires two legitimate sides with information that is to some degree credible

[Donald Ian Rankin]

17. No, it doesn't.

Debate requires two sides who disagree and who argue about that disagreement.

What you are defining there is "debate in which neither side is wholly correct" - some debates fit that definition; others do not.

Crucially, most people think that most of the debates they are involved in do not.

[XemaSab]

78. How exactly did Wilson create the situation?

By telling two people walking down the middle of the street to move?

If I (a non-LEO) told two people to get out of the street and one of them attacked me, would I have created the situation? Why or why not?

[arcane1]

113. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Darren Wilson supporter, blames victim Michael Brown, possible closet racist?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:40 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter is a fucking idiot, and everyone knows who it is. They won't be missed.

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Abusive, frivolous alert. And I think Wilson committed criminal homicide.

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: some people just have no clue

they should keep their mouths closed

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I believe police are deliberately provoking attacks and acting in a reckless manner not at all in the public interest. However, you'll need more than what you have to censor this post.

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Xema Sab, Wilson "created the situation" by being a Ferguson cop, a member of a racist cadre that routinely behaved badly--they have a reputation for hassling people when there's just no fucking need, even on side streets where people tended to use the street as a pathway and no one drove very fast on those roads. Alerter, I'm not yet convinced that Xema Sab is a "Darren Wilson supporter." OR a "closet racist." I also don't see any "victim blaming." Had the victim and his friend been on the sidewalk, it would have been harder for Wilson to find an excuse to fuck with them. That's just common sense. Jaywalking is one of those "probable cause" crimes that is used by cops all over to stop people of all colors for sometimes lame-ass reasons. I'm leaving this but I really wish all y'all would just stop being so fucking INSENSITIVE about these matters. How hard is it to discuss things in context? Ferguson was a game changer, and it's sad as hell that it took a half century after the Civil Rights Act and a dead young man in the street for the shitty game to start to change. Leaving, but just disgusted--isn't there anything we can agree on here?

Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[brush]

130. BY NOT CALLING FOR BACK-UP

Wilson first escalated the situation by backing his car so close to Brown he couldn't even open his door as it hit Brown. There was then the struggle at the car window as he drew his gun, further escalating the situation.

Brown apparently grabbed at the gun because he knew what time it was: WHITE COPS SHOOT BLACK MEN ALL THE TIME and he knew he was about to get shot.

Brown was wounded in the hand after the struggle for the gun and then took off running.

Wilson again escalated the situation by chasing him instead of calling for back-up.

He then escalated it even more by firing 11 rounds at Brown with only 6 hitting him. That means 5 other bullets missed and went into the crowded neighborhood.

That's how he created the situation. This information has been known and discussed here for months. How did you miss this?

[hack89]

15. Brown was not a 150 feet away.

Wilson got out of his car to chase him and did not shoot. He was 30 feet away when Brown turned and ran towards him. That is when he shot. Brown was 15 feet away when Wilson shot him. That is what the forensic evidence shows.

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

[DefenseLawyer]

28. Forensics can't establish the distance the shots were fired from

Forensics can show if the gun was pressed against the flesh, it can show if a shot was fired from less than two feet. The forensics can't establish with any certainty the distance beyond that. (There are no nitrates or other residue) The 15 feet comes from Wilson's testimony, not from forensics. You are free to believe the officer of course, but you can't rely on forensics to establish the distance. There was blood 180 feet from the SUV, which is then 20 some feet from where the body ended up. There is no other blood on the roadway. There is a shell casing recovered on the ground beside the SUV which would indicate that at least one was fired when he exited the vehicle, not after a chase. There was more than one shot, remember. Your officer emptied his gun. The fatal shot was in the top of the guy's head.

[hack89]

36. The 15 feet actually comes from eyewitness accounts

this is what we know:

1. Two shoots fired at the SUV, 10 shoots fired on the roadway.

2. No evidence or eyewitness accounts of Wilson shooting at Brown's back as he chased Brown.

3. Brown turned and ran towards Wilson. That is when Wilson started shooting

4. Wilson shoot three distinct volleys, stopping between each one. He hit Brown between 6 and 8 times.

5. Brown moved 23 feet towards Wilson after he was first shot in the road. (The body was closer to the SUV than the blood on the road. You have that fact backwards.)

6. Seven shell casings were found in close proximity to Brown's body.

The DOJ states that the physical evidence support Wilson's story.

[uponit7771]

45. Point number two is a red herring, Brown was shot at FROM the back and that is against the law

... Wilson bold faced lied about that too.

ON THE STAND...

Number 3 is NOT verified by MOST of the witness's

Number 5 is irrelevant, no REASONABLE person is going to believe an unarmed person 23 feet away from an armed person is a threat to the armed person.

That's what the DOJ is also not answerign

[hack89]

53. Go read the DOJ report. They say otherwise.

you need to stop cherry picking your witnesses and look at the big picture.

As for number 5, Brown ran 20 feet towards Wilson after being shot multiple times. So yes, a reasonable man would think that Brown represented a threat. If I told a man to stop, he charged right at me and doesn't stop even after I shot him once, then I would be fearful for my life.

[uponit7771]

55. Brown running towards Wilson was NOT ... NOT the reason Wilson said he fired the first shot !!!!!

... you didn't read Wilsons GJ testimony....


There's NOTHING about the closing in of distance in regards to Wilson saying he shot at Brown

[hack89]

58. He specifically said he feared for his life. Read the DOJ report. nt

[uponit7771]

65. Wilson fearing his life is NOT a jsutifcation for murder, has has to REASONABLY fear his life & all

...Wilson did was proffer something

NONE

NOT ONE

ZILCH

NADA

...witness's corroborated, the DOJ report does not address that and takes Wilsons words at face value.

[XemaSab]

81. How did Brown's blood wind up

inside Wilson's police cruiser?

How did Brown's blood wind up on Wilson's gun?

[Nevernose]

112. Wilson pulled his gun before it was necessary

That's why the blood was on it, and why Mike Brown reached for it. Otherwise, it's damn near impossible for a guy outside of the car to pull a cop's gun from the holster while the cop is in the driver's seat.

I personally think that there is just as much evidence that Wilson was culpable in the homicide as exonerates him, but I also understand the lack of reasonable doubt. The fact that the son of a bitch killed him because he was scared, in my mind, is just not up for debate. I also don't believe for a second that such fear was reasonable. Proving that is a totally different matter.

[hack89]

86. A huge guy charging you even after being shot multiple time

would not raise a reasonable fear for one's life? Why not in your eyes?

[uponit7771]

90. No, he was shot already multiple times ... you say it yourself... also, Wilson could've distanced

... himself... he decided not to...

[hack89]

94. Wilson was actually moving backwards as he shot. Read the report. nt

[uponit7771]

106. no ones taking Wilsons word for anything, he's a liar and a coward who decided not to

... file a report cause you know... he did everything by the book.

Either way, Wilson gave the reason why he shot at Brown THE FIRST SHOT after Brown turned around...

It was a damn lie that NOT ONE of the witness's corroborated...

[hack89]

110. You to link to his exact words

Because the DOJ disagrees with you.

[uponit7771]

114. Page 227 of Wilsons Testimony, I'm not going to cover for racist cops ...

... Wilson claims, after testifying he told Brown to stop... that he doesn't know why he stopped... and then claims Brown came towards him... Wilson never claims he stopped going towards Brown...

which is the clincher ...

If Wilson was under threat, again by someone with NO FIREARM, enough to have to shoot him then he should've stopped moving towards the threat...

He didn't,

Wilson never says he stopped moving towards Brown... later on of course he says he's backing up but only after Wilson claims Brown starts running towards him... again... Brown is unarmed and Wilson is making the case that Brown is a threat while moving towards him

More Bullshit from Wilson.....

Then Wilson claims Brown REACHED TOWARDS HIS WAIST BAND...

NONE of that is corroborated by the witness's... NOT ONE INSTANCE

All of this is part of the DOJ report...

Wilson put himself in a situation where he was under fear but not from the outset... he could've stayed his ass in the car and not tell the "threat" to stop ... then only back up later on...

So many inconsistencies it's laughable

[uponit7771]

116. No, he was not... read Wilson GJ testimoney

[uponit7771]

43. EITHER DISTANCE IS BAD!! There's NO WAY Wilsons going to make the case that an UNARMED person who...

.... was 30 feet or 10 feet away was a threat ENOUGH to have to use a gun in civil court.

... and even in your own post it proves that Brown was at least bleeding.

There's no account from the majority of witness's that says Brown ran towards Wilson

[hack89]

48. Brown ran 20 feet towards Wilson AFTER being shot multiple times.

Wilson is being charged by a huge man who won't stop even after being shot several times. I think a jury could rule that Wilson feared for his life. Why didn't Brown simply stop and surrender?

Do I really have to show you how an unarmed person can still seriously injure another? People get beaten resulting in severe injuries and death all the time.

[uponit7771]

51. That's not why Wilson said he made the first shot at Brown, did you read Wilson GJ testimoney?!

... no

you didn't

you would NOT have proffered that retort relative to Wilsons statmetns of why he fired the first shots at brown after brown turned around..

hand NOTHING to do with Brown running at him

[hack89]

56. From the DOJ report

As detailed throughout this report, several witnesses stated that Brown appeared to pose a physical threat to Wilson as he moved toward Wilson. According to these witnesses, who are corroborated by blood evidence in the roadway, as Brown continued to move toward Wilson, Wilson fired at Brown in what appeared to be self-defense and stopped firing once Brown fell to the ground. Wilson stated that he feared Brown would again assault him because of Brown’s conduct at the SUV and because as Brown moved toward him, Wilson saw Brown reach his right hand under his t-shirt into what appeared to be his waistband. There is no evidence upon which prosecutors can rely to disprove Wilson’s stated subjective belief that he feared for his safety.

[uponit7771]

64. "Moving towards" had NOTHING TO DO with Why Wilson said he fired at Brown!!! Wilson bold faced

...lied and

NONE


....of the witness's corroborate Wilson's account of why he fired at Brown AFTER Brown turned around.


There's no defending Wilson based off Wilson own damn words...


The kid was unarmed and Wilson lied.... the DOJ doesn't address those issues

[hack89]

82. I think you need to show me what you think Wilson said.

because the DOJ report says that Wilson feared for his life. A link perhaps?

[uponit7771]

87. Wilson fearing his life is NOT a jsutifcation for murder, has has to REASONABLY fear his life & the

... reason why Wilson proffered that he did fear for his life not ONE

ZILCH

NADA

Witness's corroborated that story.

Please read GJ testimony, all over the interenet

[hack89]

91. Yet the DOJ specifically says he did have a reasonable fear for his life

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so perhaps it is your interpretation that is wrong.

Multiple witness say that Brown stopped, turned around and ran towards Wilson. What was he supposed to do when Brown refused to stop? You need to tell me what he had to do at that exact moment.

[uponit7771]

98. Wilson could have 1, not ran after someone who was NOT a threat, 2. distanced himslef after the

..unarmed person turned around.

There's no evidence that MOST of the witness's say Brown ran towards Wilson and no ones taking the KKK supported LEOs word for anything.

[hack89]

103. The physical evidence says he ran towards him.

he fell 23 feet from where he was first shot. Remember that blood in the street.

[uponit7771]

105. Yes, Wilson ran towards Brown when he didn't have to... again, escalating the situation and killing

... someone.

[hack89]

118. Cops chase felons all the time

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that's ther job - to arrest criminals. Brown attacked Wilson twice. He would be alive if he had simply surrendered. Attacking policemen is a dangerous business.

[uponit7771]

122. Not ones that they say they're in physical threat of unarmed person, that's what Wilson is saying

... before he took chase...

Wilson running TOWARDS Brown and walking towards Brown even while shooting contradicts Wilson's "Brown was a physical threat"

Wilson LOGICALLY would have to kill Brown, using Wilsons own litmus for threat assessment which was how Brown "looked", once Wilson got close enough to make him feel threatened again.

Wilson states the reason he shot after Brown turned the first time was Brown wouldn't get on the ground but that was at 30+ feet

All other shots after that Wilson claimed Brown was "running at him" or something of the sort...

Wilson, without reasonable cause, PUT HIMSELF in a situation where he was threatened.... then killed someone


That's murder in some degree

[hack89]

123. We know Brown moved towards Wilson after being shot several times

the physical evidence proves that. Brown would be alive if he had surrendered after the first shot. Hell, he would be alive if he surrendered after the third, forth or sixth shot - only one of his wounds was fatal. He choose to attack Wilson instead.

He probable cause to chase and arrest Brown - not only was he a suspect in a robbery but he had just tried to kill a policeman.

[uponit7771]

124. the first shot after running away should NOT have been taken PERIOD. Wilson cant create the siuation

...were he is KNOWINGLY and uneedingly going into danger then fire and kill based off the situation he created...

thata the perfect excuse for murder...

im not taking wilsons word for anything seeing he

to this day

has not filed a proper report

[hack89]

125. We expect cops to risk their lives to capture and arrest violent criminals

it is part of their jobs.

Brown creation the situation by first robbing a store and the trying to kill a policeman. Wilson had a duty to arrest him. Brown should have surrendered.

[uponit7771]

126. we agree on part of what you said.... i dont expect cops to induce a situation , without need,

where they have to kill someone though.

like z Wilson escalated a situation by placing himself closer to what he admits is a danger to himself without immediate need to do so

Wilson admits he knew he shot Brown in the car...

Brown wasnt going to go far so the arrest and capture of Brown didnt have to happen right then and there

Brown didnt have a bomb or gun or even a mean dog... there was no immediate danger to anyone

[hack89]

127. Ok nt

[XemaSab]

83. Here's a video of the unarmed child:

Do you think he could have seriously hurt the clerk if he had wanted to? Even without using a weapon?

[uponit7771]

88. No, he was a child... you said it yourself

[uppityperson]

117. Did you know that they were about the same height, though Michael weighed more.

Michael Brown per wiki. At the time of his death, he was 18 years old, 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) tall and weighed 292 lb .
Wilson is 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) tall and weighs about 210 lb.

6'4" for both. Michael did outweigh Wilson by 80 lbs though.

I am telling you this because of your "huge man" comment, that Wilson was good sized also and many people do not know that.

[Hoyt]

67. Wilson should have kept his distance and waited for backup. Instead he preferred to intimidate

Brown and blast away in a densely populated neighborhood, without regard for innocent people.

Wilson had the upperhand, but choose to kill unarmed Brown, who should have been arrested and tried in court, not executed in the street.

[uponit7771]

73. +1, there were several opportunities for Wilson to distance himself from Brown and choose not to.

[hack89]

84. Brown didn't surrender even after being shot multiple times

he ran towards Wilson for 20 feet after being shot. He would be alive if he had simply surrendered.

[Hoyt]

92. Because Wilson was pursuing him rather than waiting for backup. Wilson had a baton and other

means of stopping Brown, including waiting in his car for backup. He chose to chase him and execute him, while putting other people in danger.

I know the gunners are fine with shooting away, and many are particularly fine with it like Wilson when it's a predominately Black neighborhood. But, police need to learn how to handle these situations better. Not act like a coward, and shoot away -- use your baton, step aside (I suspect Wilson was faster than Brown, particularly a wounded Brown) and trip him. Hell run like a wuss and get in your police car and wait for backup, it's better than killing an unarmed man because you can. Typical gunner view on these things.

[hack89]

93. Cops chase felons all the time

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Brown chose to attack Wilson twice. He could have stopped when ordered. He could have stopped when shot the first time.

At some point, Brown becomes responsible for his actions.

[Hoyt]

95. So does Wilson and the predominantly racist police department that hired and trained him.

[uponit7771]

96. ... and NONE of that has nothing to do with why Wilson shot at Brown... NOTHING...

[hack89]

99. You need to be more forthcoming

give me Wilson's exact words.

[uponit7771]

102. Read the report, they're in there...

[uponit7771]

41. ++++DING DING DING DING DING++++ !!!! Wilson bold faced LIED and said Browns hands were in his waist

... and that's why he shot.

NONE .. NONE!!!

Of the witness's corroborate that damn lie

[Enrique]

3. in my attempts to make sense out of what happened

I basically disregard anything Dorian Johnson said, which is as far as I know the source of the narrative in your post.

[brush]

4. What does that mean?

You believe Wilson's account of what happened?

[cali]

5. have you read the DOJ report?

[pintobean]

13. They keep refusing to answer that.

[Enrique]

23. it seems deliberate

a credible, devastating DOJ report comes out and has an immediate impact, and now people such as the OP are directing our attention back to the least credible aspect of the whole protest movement. In this case a version of events that was discredited days after the shooting.

[uponit7771]

49. Devastating to what!? The DOJ doesn't answer why Wilson had to use his gun on an unarmed person 15

... to 30 feet away from him.

Again, devestating to what?

tia

[XemaSab]

85. How many seconds does it take you to walk 15 feet?

How close should Wilson have allowed Brown to get before firing? 10 feet? 5 feet? If Brown was 5 feet away, would it have been acceptable for Wilson to shoot him?

[uponit7771]

101. Not run after Brown in the first place? There's no LOGICAL reason why Wilson should've killed Brown

...seeing Wilson had MULTIPLE opportunities to distance himself from Brown...

[brush]

108. Come on, Wilson is a big man himself . . .

with academy training and had access to his non-lethal weapons once not cramped inside his car.

He choose to leave them in the car, not call for back-up, and follow Brown with his gun — one error in judgment after another.

He choose to shoot the unarmed, injured teen when he could have waited for assistance in helping apprehend the hgihly visible and 300lb, 6'5" bleeding teen.

Then, being 6'4" and 250lbs himself, claims he was afraid for his life. He sure wasn't scared when he chased Brown and started shooting.

Seems he was just pissed that a black kid had the nerve to fight him off and run. He had to let the kid and the neighborhood know who was boss. That's the mentality in all these shootings of blacks and browns that you don't see when a white suspect is apprehended.

Hell, a white ARMED shooter just a couple of days ago was taken alive. Let's not kid our selves.

If he had been black or brown he would have been blasted to bits, unarmed or not — as in the shooting of the unarmed Brown.

Those of us not clouded by bias and the belief that police can do know wrong all know this.

[uponit7771]

47. Yes, and it doesn't answer how in the world Brown was a threat to Wilson unarmed 15ft away...

... that's what defenders of Wilson's account wont answer

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

7. Of course they do. ALWAYS believe the white racist cop...

[Enrique]

9. you're not for real

imho

[Yo_Mama]

14. I do believe DOJ. I wouldn't have believed the cop. n/t

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

25. DOJ said they cant prove he wasnt in fear for his life, that is ALL they said when you get down to

[uponit7771]

50. DOJ Doesn't answer the question of why Wilson shot from 15 - 30 feet away.. that wasn't the job

... of the report.

[Yo_Mama]

79. Actually it does

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown.pdf

I've read it. The physical evidence shows that Brown was moving toward Wilson and Wilson was moving back.

[uponit7771]

104. Wilson could have not gave chase in the first place, Wilson put himself in a situation at the LEAST

... and then killed someone without the need to do so.

There was no reason for Wilson to

1. Back his car into people walking down the street (escalation)
2. After Brown ran from the car, run after Brown while shooting at him from the back (escalation)
3. Not to distance himself from Brown once Brown stopped...(escalation)

NONE of this has ANYTHING to do with why Wilson said he shot Brown..

[Enrique]

8. i don't know

what I do know is that of the many witnesses, there are a couple that have proven to be very unreliable. Including Dorian Johnson. And of course there were witnesses supporting Wilson that were even worse.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

12. Nice try, means nothing...Racist cop created unecessary situation and unarmed black kid is dead

try as hard as you want, you cant escape these facts

[Oktober]

18. What does unarmed have to do with it?

Do you think that an unarmed person can't be a threat?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

26. And there you go, thanks for proving my point

[uponit7771]

54. Yeap, that's what it comes down to... Brown was a threat because he was Black and not because he was

... armed or not.

These people are STILL trying to proffer that Brown was a threat from 15 - 30 feet away from an armed police officer...

It's laughable ...

The LEO couldn've distanced himself and chose not to... killing was the first thing that came to Wilsons mind

[pintobean]

61. Now you're saying that a police officer

should have run from the suspect?

Maybe you should slow down a little bit.

[uponit7771]

68. No, distance /= running and where is it in LEO training that the LEO has to put his life

... in unreasonable risk relative to the situation!?!!

tia

[XemaSab]

89. Was there any way that Wilson could interacted with Brown

that WASN'T racist in your view?

Even telling him to get out of the street was racist! Even though it's part of the job of a cop to ensure pedestrian and motorist safety!

[uponit7771]

107. Of course there was a way, 1. Don't be part of an organization that hates people of color (the FPD),

..2. Wilson could have not backed his car into people walking down the street

3. Wilson could've stayed his ass in the car and not gave chase to a person he said was a threat

4. Wilson could not have shot at Brown when Brown turned around for the reason he said he did which ends up to be a damn lie NOT ONE of the witness's corroborate

[XemaSab]

109. So if there are two black kids walking down the street, an officer should call for backup

and/or run away?

[uponit7771]

115. ... you forgot, "not back his car up into two people and hold one of them in the car"...

... read the GJ report.

WIlson damns his self...

Hold Brown in the car is the real deal.. at least it came out of his own mouth

[ncjustice80]

119. yes. or not hassle them in the first place.

[uponit7771]

52. When the unarmed person is 15 - 30 feet away from the armed person!!?!? TONS!!!

The guy with the guy is more threatened than the guy without the gun and can't distance himself...

I'd like them to proffer that in court

[Rex]

63. Yeah good luck with that. A few here are invested in the DOJ, which doesn't affirm anything

about what they are desperately posting now. It is as if they think the DOJ proves Wilson did not use entrapment and then murder a teenager.

Oh well, at least the rest of us live in the real world.

[uponit7771]

74. They also all keep ignoring Wilsons Testimoney on why he shot Brown, it has NOTHING to do with Brown

... "running at" Wilson.

Wilson said Brown reached for his waistband and THAT'S the reason why he fired the shot after Brown turned around.

.. Wilson bold faced lied and NOT ONE of the witness's corroborated that account

[Rex]

62. Against someone with a gun and at a good distance? You have to be kidding me!

Generalize much?

[Oktober]

71. So you would think...

.. But as per the DOJ report, Brown had already come after Wilson when he received his hand injury.

[hack89]

16. You don't have to believe a thing Wilson said.

Just look at the forensic evidence.

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

[brush]

19. The DOJ seems to accept the prosecutor's report

That what it seems from this link.

Wilson should have called for back-up. Brown was injured and bleeding. No way could a 300lb, 6'5", bleeding teen, unarmed I should mention, have gotten far.

Excessive force is what I would call it. Why did he think he had to gun Brown down as he ran?

[hack89]

20. Are you saying the forensic evidence was made up?

ok. I guess we have nothing more to talk about.

[brush]

21. How do you get I said evidence was made up from what I wrote?

The report says Brown was injured at the car and turn and ran. Wilson fired at him as he ran then continued firing when Brown turned around.

What's in doubt even in the report is what happened when Brown turned around — whether he was staggering forward from being shot multiple times or "charging" — that is not clear.

My point is, none of that would have happened if Wilson had just called for back-up instead of firing 12 shots in a crowded residential neighborhood.

Wouldn't that have been the better thing to do, better police procedure? Like I said before, how far is a bleeding, 6'5", 300lb teen going to get?

With back-up, Brown could have been taken alive. The other officers and Wilson would have had access to their non-lethal weapons. Remember, in the report Wilson claimed during the encounter in the car access to his non-lethal weapon was blocked.

Brown's death was not necessary. IMO it's excessive force and poor police judgment.

[hack89]

22. First off, the report does not say that

it explicitly says he only shot when Brown stopped and ran towards him. It also says that Brown was only 15 feet way when he opened fire.

One can question if Wilson made the right choice in following Brown. But he stated why he ran after him and cops chase down criminals all the time. If Brown had simply surrendered he would still be alive.

[brush]

24. Of course he made the wrong choice in following Brown

He should have called for back-up. It was poor judgment that resulted in a dead body.

So many of these incidents seem to happen because the cops make poor judgment calls then are "afraid for their lives".

I'm so sick of all these black and brown men being gunned down by scared cops. I say get in another line of work if you're too scared to do anything but pull your gun and kill.

Wilson is a large man himself. He had access to his non-lethal weapons outside of the car. Where was his physical courage? Where was his police academy training? They train officers to do more than gun people down don't they?

That killing could and should have been avoided.

[Oktober]

27. Which crimes should Police ignore just in case things escalate?

[brush]

37. Calling for back-up to help make a non-lethal apprehension of an injured suspect . . .

is not ignoring anything.

All Wilson's training seemed to go out of the window when he got out of his car — poor judgment was shown with the ill-advised pursuit and panic, or was it an out of control rage, seems to have ensued when Brown stopped running and turned.

Admit it, he screwed up and an unarmed person died unnecessarily.

[Oktober]

42. More support is better but not always realistic...

In any case, the best way for this to have not escalated would be for Brown to have complied and remained calm.

[uponit7771]

75. ...after a cop tried to run him down in his PV? Really, remain calm after that?! tia

[Oktober]

76. Cars tend to sneak up on you when you walk in the road...

[uponit7771]

77. ... not in reverse, there's no "sneaking up on" anyone :rolleyes: The facts Wilson defenders lay

... out by themselves point to Wilson escalated the damn situtation

[uponit7771]

60. None, they can address crimes and be smart at the same time. Wilson was neither

[uponit7771]

59. +1, Wilson could have distanced himself from Brown but chose to kill first

[John1956PA]

80. Agreed. Wilson sped in reverse and opened the door, thus striking Michael and Dorian.

Driving in reverse, stopping in close proximity to the suspects, and opening the car door so as to strike them incited aggression in Michael. Wilson should have maneuvered the car in a different manner and stopped it at a distance which would have provided a greater margin of safety if it were to turn out that Michael and Dorian constituted a threat to him. Once stopped at the safest distance which still allowed him to observe the suspects, Wilson should have radioed for backup.

[DiverDave]

38. Its all conjecture The only witness that this is based on is the cop

a lying member of a racists pd.
Go away, MB had a right to be walking wherever he wanted to walk.
Shooting him was murder. PERIOD.
You sure you are on the right site?

[hack89]

39. No. It is based on multiple witnesses and physical evidence.

He was not stopped because of where he was walking. Wilson was aware of a "“stealing in progress.” at the Ferguson Market and Liquor and had a description of the suspects (ie Brown). He stopped them because they were suspects in a crime.

Read the DOJ report.

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

[DiverDave]

120. Yes he was

the cop didn't know of the "robbery" multiple witnesses said he was raising his hands, they were all
described as unreliable, of course they were all black. witness 45? MADE up a story, the da KNEW she made it up
yet she was presented to the grand jury.

If you get your info from faux 'news', they lie.

the cop murdered that young man, and you and those like you, spread lies.
My question is why? I suspect I know but explain it please.

His initial story was he stopped them for jaywalking.

[hack89]

121. I got my info from the Department of Justice

you really need to read it. They have recordings of the police radios. They know exactly what Wilson knew about Brown.

[uponit7771]

57. EXACTLY!! Wilson lied and said he NEVER shot at Brown FROM the back.... The DOJ report takes the PA.

... testimony at face value

[onecaliberal]

29. One individual has a gun, the other doesn't.

Who do you think is more in fear at that moment?
This is all so fucked up.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

31. Exactly, but all the racist cop has to say is "i was afraid" case closed

[onecaliberal]

32. If he were so afraid all he had to do was step on the accelerator

Of the car he was driving and leave the scene. Brown was NOT armed.
It's simple common sense. Think about it. You're in a car and you're "afraid" of someone on foot, what is your first instinct. Mine would be to drive away.

[pintobean]

33. Brown was the suspect in a very recent

strong-arm robbery and he fit the description that came over the radio. He assaulted Wilson at the police vehicle. It was Wilson's duty to go after him. I doubt that he expected Brown to turn around and come at him.

[onecaliberal]

40. Wilson admitted he didn't know about the so called robbery

Of cigars that the store owner says brown paid for.
When people suffer oppression at the hands of police for decades people are to going to become weary.
21,000 ppl in the city, 16,000 bench warrants kind of says it all to me.
Wilson said he was in fear, all he had to do was drive away, wait for backup. There was no reason for Wilson to talk to brown in the fashion he did when he first encountered him. Wilson set the tone. Wilson had the gun, stun gun, night stick and car. Brown had his feet.
The DOJ report lays out the systemic racism by the city and the police. You can choose to believe whatever you'd like but it doesn't change the facts.

[pintobean]

44. You're referring to the DOJ report

for the investigation into the city of Ferguson, yet completely ignoring the DOJ report on the Brown shooting. I would suggest you read the latter. You might just learn something.

You did know there were two separate reports, right?

[uponit7771]

69. RIGHT!! Wilson could've distanced himself from Brown from the get but decided to run after him

... and then shoot him FROM.. FROM the back which is illegal unless the perp posses a threat

[uponit7771]

70. No he wasn't, he as NOT convicted of that and Wilson's CO said Wilson did not know about the robbery

[NaturalHigh]

97. I think the DOJ report said Wilson knew about the robbery.

Wilson's CO probably didn't know that at the time. I don't know if he had personally even spoken to Wilson yet.

[pintobean]

100. I don't understand

Was he supposed to be convicted before his encounter with Wilson, or after he was killed?

Also, Wilson's own testimony was that he heard about the theft over his portable radio while he was at the sick baby call.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/read-darren-wilsons-full-grand-jury-testimony/1472/ page 202

And the DOJ report says he knew.

[HereSince1628]

30. I still believe in -least force/least damage-

there were options for Wilson that didn't involve his pistol.

Danger is always present in a physical altercation, but when it ends there are options to go to a different tool.
The immediate danger passed, but Wilson was just to committed to killing his opponent to choose them.

[NaturalHigh]

34. I thought the DOJ report said Wilson knew...

about the store robbery. That makes the initial contact about more than "jaywalking."

I understand that you fully believe what you posted, but do you really think your theory would ever result in a jury conviction?

[B2G]

35. What sealed the DOJ report

was the evidence that Brown went for Wilson's gun as he sat in his patrol car. You go for a cop's gun and all bets are off.

It's really that simple.

[KamaAina]

46. Well, of course he was in fear for his life.

There was a black man within 100 feet of him.

[uponit7771]

72. +1

[Unvanguard]

111. Technically self-defense requires that Wilson be "reasonably" in fear of his life.

Mere subjective fear is enough.

I am skeptical of Wilson's story but I think DOJ may well have been right not to indict him; "beyond reasonable doubt" is a high standard.

[Lil Missy]

128. Any 1st year law student could easily argue Brown is the one who brought it on himself.

Your premise is not supported by the facts or the evidence.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

131. Yes, Jaywalking is punishable by death in Ferguson

[pintobean]

132. That's nothing but a useless, irrelevant slogan.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

133. He jaywalked, then he died...I am sure you would be just as non caring if it was your son

[pintobean]

134. He committed a strong arm robbery, jaywalked,

assaulted a cop, ran away, turned and charged the cop, refused commands, was shot, kept charging and refusing commands, was shot some more, then he died.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

135. Bullshit...your comments are STRAIGHT out of rightwing land...you and I dont need to talk anymore

[pintobean]

136. No, a summary of the DOJ report.

They're not "rightwing land".

Yes, it was extremely simplistic, but that seems to be what you were going for with "Jaywalking is punishable by death in Ferguson." Jaywalking had nothing to do with Brown's death. His actions after he jaywalked did. Dorian Johnson was jaywalking, too. He's alive because he made much better choices than Brown.