Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:25 PM

Hillary can't win.....period

why wont the Hillary hangers on face it? She has too much baggage and she will be destroyed if we make her the nominee.

Do you really think they wont bring up the e-mail thing and all the donations to the foundation from Saudi Arabia and other foreign countries?

She will be DESTROYED if we nominate her.

Lets start a movement for anyone else

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Hillary can't win.....period (Original post)	backwoodsbob	Mar 2015	OP
While I don't support Hillary I do believe virtually any Democratic nominee will win in 2016	davidsilver	Mar 2015	#1
I agree. The Blue Wall is real and it would be a real shame not to take	namastea42	Mar 2015	#35
Yes, I agree.	davidsilver	Mar 2015	#90
+1 n/t	JimDandy	Mar 2015	#102
But the precedent does favor the Republicans	Art_from_Ark	Mar 2015	#130
I agree but we live in a new age with new electoral math	davidsilver	Mar 2015	#131
And, on foreign affairs, she has an enormous handicap - Hillary is Bibi. "There is no daylight"	leveymg	Mar 2015	#2
Handicap? I'm afraid some think it's a plus.	AtomicKitten	Mar 2015	#81
On Israel, actually, there is a clear split between the "maximalists" (HRC, AIPAC, GOP) and Obama	leveymg	Mar 2015	#82
He has a nuanced view particularly in light of that of the hardliners.	AtomicKitten	Mar 2015	#89
Have you seen recent polls? Double digit leads.	JaneyVee	Mar 2015	#3
Eric Cantor's polls said the same thing	Man from Pickens	Mar 2015	#24
The difference is Cantor's polls were internal polls	mythology	Mar 2015	#31
it's not a material difference in this case	Man from Pickens	Mar 2015	#37
Agreed. /nt	Marr	Mar 2015	#57
+1	uponit7771	Mar 2015	#52
There wasn't nearly as much polling on the Cantor campaign.	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2015	#111
well, the best proxy for Hillary 2016 is...	Man from Pickens	Mar 2015	#115
Ronald Reagan lost the 1976 Republican primary and won the presidency twice by landslides.	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2015	#121
Totally. I'll take an activist actor over a self-serving sneaky politician any day. nt	NYC_SKP	Mar 2015	#123
The polls are saying something quite different.	MineralMan	Mar 2015	#4
Democratic support for Hillary drops 15 points since February	awake	Mar 2015	#7
Polls show Hillary Clinton beating all her Republican challengers by double digits	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2015	#8
In 2007, Hillary led all the polls	nichomachus	Mar 2015	#41
Against a Democratic challenger.	gcomeau	Mar 2015	#67
Shhhh!	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2015	#83
Is she running against Barack Obama?/NT	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2015	#85
Yes, and she has been since Dec. 2012. She runs to his right, enabling Bibi.	leveymg	Mar 2015	#87
Your accusation that she is running against President Obama because of a three year old...	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2015	#88
Who is she running against, then? Hillary is still running with Bibi against Obama.	leveymg	Mar 2015	#116
An attack on her LEFT flank (though Obama is still too centrist). She is republican kryptonite.	MillennialDem	Mar 2015	#112
In 2007, her share varied from 22% to 53%; mostly around 35-40%	muriel_volestrangler	Mar 2015	#133
How long do you think people will tout this poll.	NCTraveler	Mar 2015	#32
As long as her supporters claim great support.	Marr	Mar 2015	#58
... and independents love her... go hillary !!!	uponit7771	Mar 2015	#53
So we should ignore all the polls showing her beating every potential GOP candidate.	Cali_Democrat	Mar 2015	#5
Yup	nichomachus	Mar 2015	#43
Ok run some other slob against Jeb Bush and what have you got? 8 more years of	The_Casual_Observer	Mar 2015	#6
We can run an actual Democrat this time & win,	RiverLover	Mar 2015	#11
No "real" Democrat is ever going to win and haven't for a long long time.	The_Casual_Observer	Mar 2015	#46
Yep-- there's no excuse for compromising so severely this time, much less pre-primary.	Marr	Mar 2015	#60
Gosh is that you Ralph Nadir? nt	WhiteTara	Mar 2015	#127
You know, I don't begrudge our party's right-wing for claiming to be Dems.	Marr	Mar 2015	#129
I couldn't agree more.	Savannahmann	Mar 2015	#12
Yep. She may be a corporatist trollup to Wall Street and war profiteers, but she is OUR corporatist	GoneFishin	Mar 2015	#54
Run HRC against Bush and you will get the same results. nm	rhett o rick	Mar 2015	#51
Where have we heard that before?	Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin	Mar 2015	#80
I didn't say that, in fact no one ever said that. It's a Strawman.	rhett o rick	Mar 2015	#97
Sorry Rhett I've heard that kind of shit from you before	Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin	Mar 2015	#103
Yeah, but it's good shit.	Major Hogwash	Mar 2015	#118
You are wrong	OKNancy	Mar 2015	#9
I'm curious as to why Biden is never considered?	cwydro	Mar 2015	#10
He's my second choice. It is , imho, a testament to HRC's strength that she handily defeats him ...	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2015	#15
Good point.	cwydro	Mar 2015	#16
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2015	#13
Should have started to develop this "anyone else" you speak of about 4 years ago.	JoePhilly	Mar 2015	#14
Everyone assumes people will turn out for her the way they did for Obama.	Calista241	Mar 2015	#17
Name someone who wasn't already in the Republican camp who would reject Hillary over the email story	brooklynite	Mar 2015	#18
Oh pish posh. Everybody lies. Why should Hillary be held to a higher standard?	AtomicKitten	Mar 2015	#19
Here is an opinion piece from the LA Times on luggage and baggage:	namastea42	Mar 2015	#47
Funny stuff. /nt	AtomicKitten	Mar 2015	#76
"Republicans do it all the time, why is everyone picking on Hillary Clinton?"	NYC_SKP	Mar 2015	#120
I think Hillary's campaign leaked the email story	Prism	Mar 2015	#20
normally I would agree	Man from Pickens	Mar 2015	#25
good point. She was not very convincing or comfortable.	namastea42	Mar 2015	#39
She's not that bad...sheesh	BeyondGeography	Mar 2015	#21
"great resume"?	Man from Pickens	Mar 2015	#44
The world's a mess and it's all her fault!	BeyondGeography	Mar 2015	#48
I look forward to the primaries.	MelungeonWoman	Mar 2015	#22
I don't. There's going to be post after post attacking non-Clinton voters	jeff47	Mar 2015	#23
There's non-corporate Republicans?!?! Please enlighten me. Who are they?!?! nt	stillwaiting	Mar 2015	#77
Clinton will be inaugurated in 2017.	Orsino	Mar 2015	#26
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!	MohRokTah	Mar 2015	#27
Beat me to it.	A HERETIC I AM	Mar 2015	#42
Lol.	hrmjustin	Mar 2015	#28
PRESIDENT TRUMP THANKS YOU	Capt. Obvious	Mar 2015	#29
Hyperbole much?	truebluegreen	Mar 2015	#38
Save the Jimmy Jihad Carter right wing bullshit for a different board.	NCTraveler	Mar 2015	#30
It's amazing how many Democrats don't realize how much she's hated by much of America. n/t	Dawgs	Mar 2015	#33
THAT'S WHAT PRESIDENT CARSON IS COUNTING ON	Capt. Obvious	Mar 2015	#40
That's probably because she isn't.	NanceGreggs	Mar 2015	#101
Bookmarking for Nov 9, 2016...nt	SidDithers	Mar 2015	#34
Bookmarking for March 2, 2016...nt	ieoeja	Mar 2015	#69
Bookmarking for April of 2015	android fan	Mar 2015	#105
Sorry but none of that matters. It's all about the OFA database.	underpants	Mar 2015	#36
what is the ofa database?	questionseverything	Mar 2015	#64
Obama For America now called Organize For America	underpants	Mar 2015	#66
She emails me	android fan	Mar 2015	#106
I'm guessing if you were a great political strategist or clairvoyant	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#45
+1	FLPanhandle	Mar 2015	#50
OK but the polls say otherwise at this point.	liberal N proud	Mar 2015	#49
A clear majority in all the polls support Senator/Secretary of State Hillary Clinton	Agnosticsherbet	Mar 2015	#55
I'm not a big Hillary fan, but at this point I'm certain she'll be elected if she runs.	Vinca	Mar 2015	#56
I'll alert the media n/t	Lil Missy	Mar 2015	#59
It's still early on yet.	hamsterjill	Mar 2015	#61
Is this supposed to be a joke?	NaturalHigh	Mar 2015	#62
I believe Hillary can win	randr	Mar 2015	#63
I'm inclined to agree with you.	SheilaT	Mar 2015	#65
Are you serious? Who will destroy her? Rick Perry? He can't even count to 3.	Rex	Mar 2015	#68
Republicans don't disagree with HRC on money/war issues	Cosmic Kitten	Mar 2015	#70
I'm ascared!	Kingofalldems	Mar 2015	#71
Your prophecies will be given all the credibility they indeed, warrant.	LanternWaste	Mar 2015	#72
Ok, take a breath	Proud Public Servant	Mar 2015	#73
Baggage? If the other side can run a Bush, we can run a Clinton and win.	NightWatcher	Mar 2015	#74
Aww, she's lost the dog-shooter vote?	Starry Messenger	Mar 2015	#75
They are a hard lot to please!	digonswine	Mar 2015	#84
So classy. Where does such classiness come from? Mom's side, Dad's?	NYC_SKP	Mar 2015	#93
I don't know--I didn't know a propensity for murdering animals was hereditary.	Starry Messenger	Mar 2015	#95
I'm so glad I'm me and not a mean person who likes to bully and intimidate. That's so weak.	NYC_SKP	Mar 2015	#96
I'm glad I don't shoot dogs either!	Starry Messenger	Mar 2015	#98
Yes, do tell us how it's not classy to bring up past dog killings	CreekDog	Mar 2015	#108
Unfortunately . . .	Major Hogwash	Mar 2015	#117
Oh goody! Another anti-Hillary thread for the trash bin!	leftofcool	Mar 2015	#78
I got the sign Hillary will run and win. As I went through the check out line	Thinkingabout	Mar 2015	#79
Why not leave Hillary out of it? If you've got someone else in mind, talk about them. Of course,	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2015	#86
Problem is whoever they want to run would rather eat a urinal cake than deal with the far left.	great white snark	Mar 2015	#91
!!!	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2015	#94
+1	treestar	Mar 2015	#125
I've heard Katherine Willey on the radio twice this week.	NYC_SKP	Mar 2015	#92
"Kathleen Willey", really...	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2015	#99
Brickbat! I'll look that up!	NYC_SKP	Mar 2015	#100
What backwoodsbob said	KMOD	Mar 2015	#104
Based on your dog stories, she'd probably have to disavow your support	CreekDog	Mar 2015	#107
If Hillary can't win...	TeeYiYi	Mar 2015	#109
I've got one phrase that fits what a Clinton campaign will be: A "Hot Mess".	NYC_SKP	Mar 2015	#110
She can win	JonLP24	Mar 2015	#113
I suspect she isn't very popular with the backwoods Duck Dynasty crowd...	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2015	#114
Barn Burner huh?	IsItJustMe	Mar 2015	#119
That's wishful thinking, not fact. n/t	Lil Missy	Mar 2015	#122
Email thing has already been out there	treestar	Mar 2015	#124
"Hillary can't win.....period,"	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2015	#126
What "baggage"?	fredamae	Mar 2015	#128
Okay, I don't agree with you, but if those of us who are "Hillary hangers on" should "face it"...	classof56	Mar 2015	#132

Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:29 PM

davidsilver (87 posts)

1. While I don't support Hillary I do believe virtually any Democratic nominee will win in 2016

The electoral math doesn't favor the Teapublicans.

Hillary can't win.....period

1. While I don't support Hillary I do believe virtually any Democratic nominee will win in 2016

35. I agree. The Blue Wall is real and it would be a real shame not to take

90. Yes, I agree.

102. +1 n/t

130. But the precedent does favor the Republicans

131. I agree but we live in a new age with new electoral math

2. And, on foreign affairs, she has an enormous handicap - Hillary is Bibi. "There is no daylight"

81. Handicap? I'm afraid some think it's a plus.

82. On Israel, actually, there is a clear split between the "maximalists" (HRC, AIPAC, GOP) and Obama

89. He has a nuanced view particularly in light of that of the hardliners.

3. Have you seen recent polls? Double digit leads.

24. Eric Cantor's polls said the same thing

31. The difference is Cantor's polls were internal polls

37. it's not a material difference in this case

57. Agreed. /nt

52. +1

111. There wasn't nearly as much polling on the Cantor campaign.

115. well, the best proxy for Hillary 2016 is...

121. Ronald Reagan lost the 1976 Republican primary and won the presidency twice by landslides.

123. Totally. I'll take an activist actor over a self-serving sneaky politician any day. nt

4. The polls are saying something quite different.

7. Democratic support for Hillary drops 15 points since February

8. Polls show Hillary Clinton beating all her Republican challengers by double digits

41. In 2007, Hillary led all the polls

67. Against a Democratic challenger.

83. Shhhh!

85. Is she running against Barack Obama?/NT

87. Yes, and she has been since Dec. 2012. She runs to his right, enabling Bibi.

88. Your accusation that she is running against President Obama because of a three year old...

116. Who is she running against, then? Hillary is still running with Bibi against Obama.

112. An attack on her LEFT flank (though Obama is still too centrist). She is republican kryptonite.

133. In 2007, her share varied from 22% to 53%; mostly around 35-40%

32. How long do you think people will tout this poll.

58. As long as her supporters claim great support.

53. ... and independents love her... go hillary !!!

5. So we should ignore all the polls showing her beating every potential GOP candidate.

43. Yup

6. Ok run some other slob against Jeb Bush and what have you got? 8 more years of

11. We can run an actual Democrat this time & win,

46. No "real" Democrat is ever going to win and haven't for a long long time.

60. Yep-- there's no excuse for compromising so severely this time, much less pre-primary.

127. Gosh is that you Ralph Nadir? nt

129. You know, I don't begrudge our party's right-wing for claiming to be Dems.

12. I couldn't agree more.

54. Yep. She may be a corporatist trollup to Wall Street and war profiteers, but she is OUR corporatist

51. Run HRC against Bush and you will get the same results. nm

80. Where have we heard that before?

97. I didn't say that, in fact no one ever said that. It's a Strawman.

103. Sorry Rhett I've heard that kind of shit from you before

118. Yeah, but it's good shit.

9. You are wrong

10. I'm curious as to why Biden is never considered?

15. He's my second choice. It is , imho, a testament to HRC's strength that she handily defeats him ...

16. Good point.

14. Should have started to develop this "anyone else" you speak of about 4 years ago.

17. Everyone assumes people will turn out for her the way they did for Obama.

18. Name someone who wasn't already in the Republican camp who would reject Hillary over the email story

19. Oh pish posh. Everybody lies. Why should Hillary be held to a higher standard?

47. Here is an opinion piece from the LA Times on luggage and baggage:

76. Funny stuff. /nt

120. "Republicans do it all the time, why is everyone picking on Hillary Clinton?"

20. I think Hillary's campaign leaked the email story

25. normally I would agree

39. good point. She was not very convincing or comfortable.

21. She's not that bad...sheesh

44. "great resume"?

48. The world's a mess and it's all her fault!

22. I look forward to the primaries.

23. I don't. There's going to be post after post attacking non-Clinton voters

77. There's non-corporate Republicans?!?! Please enlighten me. Who are they?!?! nt

26. Clinton will be inaugurated in 2017.

27. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

42. Beat me to it.

28. Lol.

29. PRESIDENT TRUMP THANKS YOU

38. Hyperbole much?

30. Save the Jimmy Jihad Carter right wing bullshit for a different board.

33. It's amazing how many Democrats don't realize how much she's hated by much of America. n/t

40. THAT'S WHAT PRESIDENT CARSON IS COUNTING ON