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Source: FTVLive
Most feel that Phil Griffin is a dead man walking as the boss of MSNBC.
Sources tell FTVLive that new NBC News head Andy Lack will likely hand Griffin his walking papers sometime next month.
So, for his part, Griffin is in "hail mary" mode and willing to try just about anything to get MSNBC's dismal ratings up.
MSNBC sources tell FTVLive that Griffin has openly suggested to staff that he would like to bring back Keith Olbermann into MSNBC prime time.
Read more: http://www.ftvlive.com/todays-news/2015/3/20/msnbcs-phil-griffin-i-would-like-to-bring-olbermann-back
napkinz
(17,199 posts)his voice is sorely missed
MADem
(135,425 posts)as the young firebrands.
Of course, he got screwed over so bad by those clowns he might not want to darken their towels again--couldn't blame him.
Maybe a pre-recorded weekend gig, an hour long thing to start, that does "Big Issues" and can be re-run a few times during the week, to see how it rolls, and then maybe transition him to a half hour or one hour format four days a week...?
valerief
(53,235 posts)malaise
(268,967 posts)Yeeeeeeeeeeeeees!
raven mad
(4,940 posts)The Perfect Storm!
movonne
(9,623 posts)really liberal...
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Watch the full interview with Phil Donahue on Democracy Now! at http://owl.li/jiiAe. In 2003, the legendary television host Phil Donahue was fired from his prime-time MSNBC talk show during the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. The problem was not Donahue's ratings, but rather his views: an internal MSNBC memo warned Donahue was a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war," providing "a home for the liberal antiwar agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity." But that wasn't the end of the story: during a live appearance on MSNBC in July 2006, Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman criticized the network for Donahue's firing. Donahue joins Goodman on Democracy Now! to look back at the episode and the lessons it holds for media in a time of war.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And Bill Press could take over for Scarborough.
That would be excellent.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The channel has raced downhill since he took over. I still watch Al, and Hayes and sometimes Rachel, but the rest have been terrible with the exception of tweety and Hall and the handsome bkue eyed morning guy, what's his name? Mr. Handsome.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am surprised Sharpton lasted so long. I like his show. They cancel people I like.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Would be an obvious opening move. Likely they need a lot more changes at MSNBC to be successful
On edit, then have Rachel's show be the rerun at 11pm
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)Get rid of the RW hosts. Bring back Olbermann--without putting him on a short leash; put Ed Shultz on at 8, when he used to have his show after he temporarily cancelled his show to be with his wife, who was suffering from cancer at the time; and lose the right-wing talking heads in the morning. That's just for starters.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Morning Blow - even the evening stuff is off my watch for quite some time... If I want real news, I'll watch Al Jazeera or BBC America or internet superior offerings.
Funny, that I still read the paper, because there are some traditional things viewers like. I also remember the days of commentary at the end of network news, which is the genesis of Olbermann's style. Well, that, plus, Olbermann gives a nod to those seekers of truth on the internets.
It's not a hard formula
just not a corporate driven one. And, as long as they have so few in charge of so much NOBODY is going to bring this back to MSNBC.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)trueblue2007
(17,215 posts)HE IS A PIECE OF CRAP.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)when they keep bringing in More and More RW BS'rs....If they Really believe the "Right Wing Pig Sty" messaging is Helping their ratings then WTH would he suggest bringing KO back?
I agree, they Should bring KO PLUS Bashir, Donohue etc back.....but they won't, imo.
I read somewhere yesterday in an article about MSNBC that they were talking about putting Schultz back to weekends cuz he is the "lefts version of Glenn Beck" or something like that.
Too bad, cuz I'd sure tune in again.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The suits covet the "fucking stupid" 70+ demo.
(Because that's what THEY are.)
Chipper Chat
(9,678 posts)THE HOLY GRAIL! My TV has never been the same since 2008.
C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)You can't have an election year without Keith.
monmouth4
(9,694 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)Let's bring "Today's Worst Person in the World" segments. Loved it.
I would pay money to see Olbermann taking O'Really to the Worst Persons woodshed. I miss that. And poor old Billy's head would explode having the ol "smear merchant" busting his chops on a daily basis.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)I looked forward to that segment everyday.
That's a cool phrase----"Worst Person's Woodshed"!
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)as she is so muzzled.
The timing would be good for MSNBC as Jon Stewart is going off the air.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)and the timing would be excellent. Good point!
deathrind
(1,786 posts)...again, if this happened.
patricia92243
(12,595 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)I like Rachael but I tuned in to watch KO
47of74
(18,470 posts)wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)Get out! And take Morning Joke with you! I can't believe how Joe can get away with insulting MSNBC constantly and weighing in on changes at the channel.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)Flatpicker
(894 posts)But, I'd have dream for MSNBC.
Keep Rachael at 9pm.
Move Keith to 10pm and allow him plenty of time to rant.
Shitcan Morning Joe, Move Ronan Farrow to 10am. (Entertainment light news in the AM)
Add Ana Kasparian to 8-10am.
Leave Ed at 8pm, but the open up the investigative team and allow them to feed stories with indepth research to the opinion people.
You really don't have to move left, just do the legwork of real Jorunalism and watch the ratings go up.
ablamj
(333 posts)From TYT?
I think she would be good for mornings.
She's topical, has a good presence and keeps the flow going on her show.
Would be too cool! May the cable Gods listen to your suggestions!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)indivisibleman
(482 posts)niyad
(113,279 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)he's a high maintenance handful.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)but if he agreed to come back, he should be given whatever he wants. He's good enough to call the shots.
George II
(67,782 posts)indivisibleman
(482 posts)and we sure missed his commentaries during that time. Would love to see him come back and Griffin go.
irisblue
(32,969 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I do wonder if Keith would do it, he seems to be in a career nostalgic mode on his ESPN show.
Griffin indeed should never have fired Donahue - the stipulations he put on him was bad enough - he had to have two conservatives on for every liberal, and he counted as a liberal. That was one really sad chapter as Phil couldn't tolerate anyone questioning the rush to an unnecessary war. Worse yet he replaces him with ultra conservative fascist slime ball Michael Savage.
Get rid of Phil G, try to talk Keith back, then get Amy Goodman, Cenk, and Thom Hartmann if they can. I'd love Donahue back but doubt he'd do it at this stage of his life.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)Hopefully to replace Andrea Mitchell.
Leith
(7,809 posts)Griffin ran MSNBC into the ground. They need Olbermann baaaaad. People want to be entertained in the evenings and they had that with Ed, Rachel, and Keith (yes, we called them by first name in my house). I haven't watched in months. To tell the truth, I started dropping out when it was all Christie and the Bridge all the time. Yes, it was important, but there were other things happening in the world, too.
calimary
(81,225 posts)God I wish they'd bring Olbermann back. We need that loud nasty voice on OUR side! At the moment we don't have ANYBODY.
And for those who'd say "get rid of Morning Joe" - I would say "Seconded!" "Thirded!" "Fourth'd!" "Fifth'd!" And onward!!!!!
Backwoodsrider
(764 posts)not just each other. The talking heads could stand to remember the population, that's us has evolved and we don't like being talked down to or lied tp(unless you are a Fox viewer) and we think outside the little box many in DC seemed to prefer living in. Olberman and Donahue would be a great start but TV news/Entertainment in general needs to get smarter Ok I can dream cant I
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)From this interview, it sounds like he's glad to be away from politics:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/26/business/media/olbermann-and-espn-together-again.html?_r=1&
I don't see him going back to MSNBC.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)maybe he feels different now with election year coming up and the gop in charge of congress also Bill O , a lot of things to chew on. If he came back. wow, just wow.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)I don't see him going back, especially given the circumstances of his departure from MSNBC this last time.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He really didn't behave well during that period of time--he screwed Al Gore over in a big way, more than once. He expected a start up to have all the bells and whistles--rather like expecting a 61 VW Beetle to ride like a 2015 Lexus.
I'm sure that experience informed the people who prepared his ESPN contract--I'll bet it's got some ironclad provisions in it.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)Just ask Stephanie Miller, John Fugelsang, Jennifer Granholm.... The Current TV "fiasco" wasn't all on Keith. Just sayin'.
Also, Keith worked at ESPN previously. He helped get ESPN2 running. I think they knew what they were getting into when they hired him back.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I found that stunningly unprofessional.
Just sayin'.
He was recently suspended, this year, by ESPN AGAIN for getting in a pissing match on Twitter.
Of course ESPN knows him--my point is that ESPN knows how to ride herd on him, to keep him in a box. I think he works best with "parameters." He gets hubris-laden otherwise. It's a failing, despite the fact that he knows how to create compelling TV. The presenter should not overshadow the story, and he sometimes does.
In 1992, Olbermann joined ESPN's SportsCenter, a position he held until 1997 with the exception of a period from 19931994 when he was at ESPN2. He joined ESPN2 as their "marquee" personality to help launch the network.[24][25] He often co-hosted SportsCenter 11 PM show with Dan Patrick, the two becoming a popular anchor team. In 1995, Olbermann won a Cable ACE award for Best Sportscaster.[20] Olbermann later co-authored a book with Patrick called The Big Show about their experiences working at SportsCenter; he also said that the short-lived ABC dramedy Sports Night was based on his time on SportsCenter with Patrick, ABC having been co-owned with ESPN since 1985 (ESPN now produces all sports coverage on ABC, which is branded ESPN on ABC).[26] In his last year with KCBS before moving east to work for ESPN, Olbermann's salary was $475,000 but started "just over $150,000" with ESPN.[27] He made $350,000 at the end of his tenure at ESPN.[28]
Early in 1997, Olbermann was suspended for two weeks after he made an unauthorized appearance on The Daily Show on Comedy Central with then-host and former ESPN colleague Craig Kilborn. At one point in the show, he referred to Bristol, Connecticut (ESPN's headquarters), as a "'Godforsaken place."[28] Later that year, Olbermann abruptly left ESPN under a cloud of controversy, apparently burning his bridges with the network's management;[29] this began a long and drawn-out feud between Olbermann and ESPN. Between 1997 and 2007, incidents between the two sides included Olbermann's publishing an essay on Salon.com in November 2002, titled "Mea Culpa", in which he stated: "I couldn't handle the pressure of working in daily long-form television, and what was worse, I didn't know I couldn't handle it."[30] The essay told of an instance when his former bosses remarked he had "too much backbone," a claim that is literally true, as Olbermann has six lumbar vertebrae instead of the normal five.[30]
In 2004, Olbermann was not included in ESPN's guest lineup for its 25th anniversary SportsCenter "Reunion Week," which saw Craig Kilborn and Charley Steiner return to the SportsCenter set. In 2007, ten years after Olbermann's departure, in an appearance on the Late Show with David Letterman, he said: "If you burn a bridge, you can possibly build a new bridge, but if there's no river any more, that's a lot of trouble." During the same interview, Olbermann stated that he had recently learned that as a result of ESPN's agreeing to let him return to the airwaves,[clarification needed] he was banned from ESPN's main (Bristol, Connecticut) campus.[31]
...It was announced on July 17, 2013, Olbermann will host his own one hour nightly show on ESPN2. The two-year contract allows him to deviate from the topic of sports, into realms such as "pop culture and current events,"[41] as well as politics (a right Olbermann claims he doesn't intend to exercise).[42]
Olbermann was suspended by ESPN in 2015 for the week following Penn State University's annual philanthropy THON due to a Twitter exchange he had with Penn State supporters.[43] In the Twitter exchange, Obermann stated, "PSU students are pitiful." Later, prior to apologizing, Olbermann stated, "I'd like to thank the students and alums of Penn State for proving my point about the mediocrity of their education and ethics." [44][45][46][47] Olbermann apologized on his program upon his return March 2 but noted, "Im much more sorry about batting practice (i.e. trolling or cyber bullying). So for me, batting practice ends.[48]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Olbermann#ESPN
In between all that, he was demoted, then fired by Faux for gossiping about his boss's plans to unload the Dodgers--now, his boss is an asshole, but who save an idiot tells tales about the guy who signs your paycheck? The guy has a flair for the excessively dramatic, and he's immature. Imprudent. No FILTER.
Twitter fights with college kids? Really?
Just because someone says things that I tend to agree with (and I did agree with him more often than not when he was on MSNBC, and his goading and baiting was amusing during the rather dark Bush era) doesn't mean I have to find their character as a person compelling or appealing. In his case, I think he has personal issues and he's not a very nice person--even though, as I said, I think he's right on the money lots of times (his assessment of Scott Brown, e.g. was spot-on).
He's probably right where he needs to be, and I'm betting that contract is VERY detailed with regard to what he can, and cannot do. If he steps out of line, like he did goading those college students on social media, he pays. I guess he understands the limits when his purse strings get yanked, and his contract allows for that.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)But, it still doesn't absolve Gore for the way he treated everyone else at the network. Sorry.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think people should keep their word. It's how I was raised.
It's a quaint construct, out of favor in this century, apparently.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)Keeping one's word works both ways.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He apparently didn't understand the challenges of being on the ground floor of a start-up, where everyone pitches in. He wanted it all done when he waltzed in, and that's not how it worked out.
Again, he's where he needs to be. I don't see him gracing the halls of MSNBC any time soon.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)I saw the whole thing when it happened, and that's not what I saw. Like I said, neither party behaved appropriately.
As for him going back to MSNBC, I don't want him back there either. I hope Rachel and Lawrence ditch them, too. They're not worth the air space they take up.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That did it for me. I can forgive much, but petulance and immaturity and unreliability just aren't calling cards that make me feel he's worth the trouble.
Since he got fired after that, I don't think it's a question of belief. He behaved poorly and reaped the consequences.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)Which is why they wound up paying him a fat settlement for his lawsuit. If Gore and Hyatt were so victimized by the guy, they should've fought it out. It's not like they couldn't afford to.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That's why there's a non-disclosure agreement associated with it. Any rumors you've heard are just that.
CURRENT was the vehicle for Al Jazeera to make their entree` into the US market. Gore et. al. took AJ's offer because they knew they couldn't get a better deal for that network, and they had been running the place on a tight budget (which was why KO was so perpetually irritated--he wanted Five Star Facilities at a Motel Start-Up). That little issue needed to be resolved and I wouldn't be at all surprised if AJ picked up a piece of that little "Get Gone KO" pie.
Had it gone to court, KO would have lost--he had a "No Disparagement" clause in his contract and he repeatedly disparaged both individuals and the organization in social media. It would have been a Pyrrhic victory, though, because the network didn't have any money.
For this reason, I don't think KO got much out of that settlement at all, save the opportunity to NOT lose a case in a big way in court.
He also admitted to Letterman that he "screwed up:"
He doesn't work or play well with others. His behavior at CURRENT was a blatant demonstration of that. He sure didn't believe enough in the "progressive cause" to be a team player, that's for sure.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)If Gore and his associate didn't know Olbermann's reputation at that point, then they were the most clueless, stupid people on the planet. And, I find that difficult to believe, although given the way they ran their network, perhaps it shouldn't be unbelievable. They made promises that they couldn't keep, and no matter how much you bash Olbermann, that fact isn't going to change. Having said that, I'm done with this shit.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They likely thought that he'd put his ideological beliefs in front of his paycheck--they were wrong. That doesn't make THEM bad, it's the exact opposite--they tend to think the best of people. If that's a failing, well, I like those kinds of failures--tells me there's hope for the world, that not all people are assholes. Just the ones who liken themselves to ten million dollar chandeliers...
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)movonne
(9,623 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)David Shuster ?@DavidShuster 7h7 hours ago
.@keitholbermann Thoughts about this? http://www.ftvlive.com/todays-news/2015/3/20/msnbcs-phil-griffin-i-would-like-to-bring-olbermann-back
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)I really miss Keith.
Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)No severance to boot.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)What a disaster if they go rightward or disappear..
freshwest
(53,661 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)I remember listening to him on the old Air America radio show. He is great (imo).
Ron's Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Reagan
Also, keep the "Morning Joe" show ( the 3 hour format), change the name and immediately shit-can Scarborough as the host.
I like Hardball (with Chris), Big Ed, Rev. Al and of course Rachel.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)I have missed that show terribly!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)This fake liberal channel stuff isn't getting it done.
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)...get rid of Joe, Mika and the "Cycle". I miss Joy Reid.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)just bring him back.