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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
Thu May 3, 2012, 04:41 PM May 2012

A global collapse is NOT as bad as a plutonomy. And we have only ONE way out of either option.

Everyone is justifiably annoyed at any talk about looking forward to a global collapse. It is every bit as horrible as anyone has said it would be.

The problem is that a Plutonomy is actually worse. A Plutonomy is an economy or society that primarily exists to serve the 1%. In practicality it is a world in which the rich enjoy the comforts of life and the 99% get left outside their high walls to deal with the worst that the world has to offer: the bandits, the high crime, the pollution, the resource shortages, and cops who can't be bothered very often to tend to the situation. Let the poor eat each other, as far as they're concerned; just keep it away from the rich's front doorstep.

Okay now who's been to Mexico? A lot of folks, I presume. Well, I've also been to Mexico. Ever notice how the touristy areas are well protected because we Americans have money to spend there, whereas the other parts aren't so well protected? Ever wonder why the drug gangs are running wild in Mexico?

It's because an increasing majority of protection is reserved for the tourists and the rich, while the rest are left to face the wild running banditos who will think nothing of exterminating large swaths of a town to send some kind of message. NAFTA wasn't the only reason people immigrated from there to America.

Ever wonder why immigrants are returning to Mexico? Primarily it's because we're becoming like Mexico, economically speaking.

On top of that, the police are increasingly hostile to the interests of the 99% and they're failing their duties to the citizens... except wait, the Supreme Court has decided that their duties to the citizens isn't what we think it is, after all. As for America's drug gangs? We could have that problem handled, pronto. Gangs are not hard to find, and violent gangs plotting to commit violence aren't hard to catch. The problem, if you are feeling uncharitable, is that our law enforcement agencies simply do not care. Or if you're feeling charitable, they are vastly underfunded. Or they are too busy being ordered by the Government to chase Occupy protesters, recreational pot smokers or terrorist-funded mp3 filesharers ( ). Take your pick.

In any case, at the rate we're going, we'll become like Mexico. We're headed for a society that has all the trappings of a failed civilization except the Plutocrats will be sitting safe and out of reach. Our schools are being underfunded. Disaster capitalism and the shock doctrine are running wild. Every attempt to tax the rich is being fought tooth and nail. And if challenged, I can post up examples of Democratic politicians helping the Republonazis screw over labor unions.

Okay, so most readers are now screaming (along with a lot of expletives) "Well, there's a third option between a total collapse and a Plutonomy... it's called REFORM!!!"

Hey, how's that reform going anyway? The GOP is marshaling behind Mitt Romney despite him being a Mormon (looks like Bachmann is now behind him, along with Newt), and his poll numbers are surprisingly strong against President Obama despite the GOP's idiotic war on women. Anyone want to guess why Romney is polling higher than 5%?

It's not because reform is wrong - it's not. It's because of one thing: the 56-58 million John McCain/Sarah Palin devotees who came out in full rabid insanity force and LOST in 2008, and who intend to go full screaming nutjob ahead over and over again in every election until they crush us Liberals out of existence. They are a plague of zombies, Terminators with no brains, they'll keep coming and they will not stop. This is no joke, we ignored this fact in 2010 to our peril. Look at the combined liberal and independent voter turnouts in 2010 and tell me I'm factually wrong: I ain't.

The problem here is not that Reform is less desirable than a massive global collapse. I fear I need to repeat that sentence about 5 times; or about 40 times to any normal crowd. When I say reform, I mean a Worker's Party that develops within the Democratic Party and which transforms the Democratic Party as thoroughly as the civil rights movement did. And when I say WORKER'S PARTY I do not mean a 3rd party; I mean a newly reshaped Democratic Party. That said, the problem is that the people who would fight tooth and nail for a Worker's Party are too few in number.

The problem here is that we need a hard core Worker's Party movement in the United States, one that is bigger than the 56-58 million voters who fought for Sarah Palin and John McCain and who are still fighting to the very last voter under President Obama's shadow. We need nothing less than 58 million voters dedicated to the very last constituent to a coherent Worker's Party, voters who will push up Worker-friendly Democrats like the next local Bernie Sanders or Barney Frank, to Congress, the US Senate, and to numerous offices in statewide elections. We must do this soon, or we will face something worse than a total collapse: we will be trapped in a Plutonomy.

The problem with a Plutonomy is that it will be one backed by police gangs and the military. It will be a system that can never be brought down EXCEPT by a total systemic collapse. Why? Because in a Plutonomy, the military and police will be deployed to destroy anyone who tries to take the Worker's Party route.

Oh yeah and all the environmental crises that society is facing? That will be a crisis for the 99%, not the rich. They won't ever want for clean water or food. And you think a total collapse is bad? Wait'll you find yourself dying of cholera or toxic waste in your water while the rich are living it up safe and sound behind their walls. Like I said, all the trappings of a collapse, but with the Plutocrats' shadow looming over your head.

A global collapse is a horrible thing. But it's better than a Plutonomy. And we can prevent BOTH if and ONLY if we scramble, right now, and create a Worker's Party within the Democratic Party that can pick up close to 60 million voters, quickly.

I'll repeat: our one way out of becoming a Northern Mexico is a Worker's Party, one that's as strong and energetic as the Republozombie Party.

Exactly how are we going to achieve that?

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A global collapse is NOT as bad as a plutonomy. And we have only ONE way out of either option. (Original Post) Zalatix May 2012 OP
Questions: ProSense May 2012 #1
We're falling full scream ahead toward a plutonomy. Zalatix May 2012 #3
It's not ProSense May 2012 #5
One more thing: I'll let this poster explain just how bad things have gotten... Zalatix May 2012 #4
K&R DJ13 May 2012 #2
You are spot on, but the PTB have the propaganda apparatus to Doctor_J May 2012 #6
We need to start vetting liberal candidates NOW, for 2016. Zalatix May 2012 #7
IE, you want to work within the party, within the system MadHound May 2012 #8
If you are correct then there's only one thing we have to look forward to in the future. Zalatix May 2012 #9
Well d'uh! MadHound May 2012 #10
You're right, of course... tex-wyo-dem May 2012 #12
'Exactly how are we going to achieve that?" - It starts at coalition_unwilling May 2012 #11

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
1. Questions:
Thu May 3, 2012, 04:50 PM
May 2012
A global collapse is NOT as bad as a plutonomy. And we have only ONE way out of either option.

Everyone is justifiably annoyed at any talk about looking forward to a global collapse. It is every bit as horrible as anyone has said it would be.

The problem is that a Plutonomy is actually worse. A Plutonomy is an economy or society that primarily exists to serve the 1%. In practicality it is a world in which the rich enjoy the comforts of life and the 99% get left outside their high walls to deal with the worst that the world has to offer: the bandits, the high crime, the pollution, the resource shortages, and cops who can't be bothered very often to tend to the situation. Let the poor eat each other, as far as they're concerned; just keep it away from the rich's front doorstep.

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A global collapse is a horrible thing. But it's better than a Plutonomy. And we can prevent BOTH if and ONLY if we scramble, right now, and create a Worker's Party within the Democratic Party that can pick up close to 60 million voters, quickly.

I'll repeat: our one way out of becoming a Northern Mexico is a Worker's Party, one that's as strong and energetic as the Republozombie Party.


...are we in a "Plutonomy" now. If yes, are you advocating a "global collapse" is the best thing now?

I mean, things aren't bad enough yet, and they can only get better if it gets worse? Is that the idea?

Can President Obama use that as a campaign slogan to counter Mitt Romney's lies?

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
3. We're falling full scream ahead toward a plutonomy.
Thu May 3, 2012, 06:04 PM
May 2012

The best thing right now is a very strong Worker's Party. However we are so far away from making that happen that the option is pretty much about to set sail.

Things are bad and unless we DO come up with a full scale reform of our economy and make it happen, things will automatically get terminally worse.

This "things will automatically get far worse" part is hard for people to comprehend, yet it's right here in our faces. Let me cite some examples.

Look at our global warming situation. That by itself threatens to destroy our civilization. We are on a very fast elevator to hell where this issue is concerned. We are swiftly headed for a clean water supply crisis. This is guaranteed to spark civil wars around the world if we don't fix this problem. All of this is worse than any global collapse scenario you can think of, and it's very likely to happen. You're probably not even subscribed to the DU if you don't know how close we are to a global warming or water supply crisis. The rich, however, won't have to worry about the consequences of global warming. They'll have their access to food and drinkable water.

If you are homeless your situation is already desperate in the extreme sense of the word. Drug-resistant tuberculosis is spreading like wildfire among the homeless: up to 21% of homeless people in NYC have it, for instance. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1516406). What are the rich doing about it? Absolutely nothing. This is a problem that will likely spread to a significant portion of the 99%. It won't ever hit the rich.

Our infrastructure is crumbling. President Obama even knows this. ( http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-02/obama-says-deteriorating-infrastructure-costly-to-u-s-economy.html ) But do you think the roads and infrastructure are collapsing where the rich live? Hardly. No bridge is ever going to collapse under their wheels.

We are already at or past Peak Oil. I don't think even many Freepers would deny that the days of light sweet crude are at their twilight, at best. (Well, they could be crazy enough to deny that.) We are hell bent upon blaming speculation for the rising cost of gasoline when in reality the problem is rising demand for an increasingly difficult-to-extract supply of oil. We are headed for a crisis here. When energy prices go up, the cost of everything skyrockets. It will also lead to shortages. The 99% will suffer, greatly. We may very well even run out of gasoline, and although that's not very likely in this century, if it happens, a total collapse will happen. Will the Plutocrats ever suffer over any of this? Nope. They've got the money to guzzle oil till their heart's content.

Gangs? MS13? The Russian mob? That's our problem, and it will remain our problem. The rich? It ain't their problem. Hell, look at Ronald Reagan, he was running drugs to fund his illegal operations. It's likely that the drug kingpins answer to the Plutocrats. Oh and how are our cops doing against these gangs anyway?

The housing crisis? The financial crisis? Again, all our problem, not the rich's. Even without the bailouts they'll make money off of it.

These are all things we're seeing now, and things we will see much more of in a Plutonomy. The difference between this and things totally going to hell, is the latter puts the rich's skin in the game; the former they get to laugh from behind their safe walls.

But as I said, you could also try to marshal 60 million Americans to elect their city's / state's next Bernie Sanders and turn this ship around. I'm not sure how THAT is going to happen.

As for your last question? President Obama needs to say the words, "We need a Worker's Party. That party is the Democrat Party". He needs to say it through his words and his actions. He needs to ride herd. And we need to back him up. How is that going to happen?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. It's not
Thu May 3, 2012, 06:09 PM
May 2012

"The best thing right now is a very strong Worker's Party. However we are so far away from making that happen that the option is pretty much about to set sail."

...going to happen by itself. This is a huge country, and there is a lot more talk and dishonest agendas (and I'm not talking among politicians) than there is any serious effort to work toward that goal.

The fact is that everyone isn't working for the common good. The difficulty in fixing the tax code is proof.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. You are spot on, but the PTB have the propaganda apparatus to
Thu May 3, 2012, 07:36 PM
May 2012

keep any major pushback from happening. All of the country's liberals are lining up to vote for a center-right "Democrat" because the only viable alternative is nothing but a joke. The things that are really needed to get the country back - Single Payer Health Care, import tariffs, living wage, some sensible gun control, media reform, electoral reform, ... - are not even mentioned - ever. We're nowhere near a democracy any more, and yet all anyone wants to do is stand around getting pepper-sprayed or vote gladly for Obama and hope he throws a crumb to the centrists (forget about leftists).

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
8. IE, you want to work within the party, within the system
Thu May 3, 2012, 10:55 PM
May 2012

Like that option has really worked out well over the past forty plus years.

We are living under the two party/same corporate master system of government. Working within the system is the surest way to stifle any sort of reform you want to make to that system.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
10. Well d'uh!
Thu May 3, 2012, 11:32 PM
May 2012

Wake up and smell the coming collapse. We are riding the downward slide of empire and there's only one way this movie ends. Sure, the one percent can insulate themselves for awhile, years, perhaps decades. But in the end they will go to. Look at Rome, among many other examples.

We could possibly bring this puppy in for a soft landing ala the British Empire. But the odds of that happening, given the greed and short term thinking that now rule in our corridors of power, are very, very steep.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
12. You're right, of course...
Fri May 4, 2012, 01:48 AM
May 2012

The current system is systemically corrupted. It services the 1% by design. I'm not sure how it will get fixed, but I'm quite sure that it will require something dramatic (a total global collapse as you suggest, or something along the lines of a civil war or revolution). In any case, it won't be pretty.

Occupy has started to put some fear into the PTB...they realize that they are pushing it very close to a breaking point, but their own egos will not allow them to pull back...that will take rather forceful measures, either politically (not likely the way things are going) or an all out revolution by the people.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
11. 'Exactly how are we going to achieve that?" - It starts at
Thu May 3, 2012, 11:49 PM
May 2012

the municipal or maybe even the precinct level.

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