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xocet

(3,871 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:28 PM Mar 2015

Ted Cruz: "You Know It Used To Be: 'It Is Accepted Scientific Wisdom The Earth Is Flat.' "

Ted Cruz To 'Global Warming Alarmists': Galileo Was 'Branded A Denier' Too

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"Today the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-earthers," Cruz continued. "You know it used to be: 'It is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat.' And this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier."

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-galileo-denier-climate-change




Ted Cruz apparently cannot distinguish the incorrect idea that the Earth is flat from the incorrect idea that the Sun along with every other heavenly body (excepting naturally that the Moon does orbit the Earth) orbits the Earth.


The Greek philosopher Eratosthenes demonstrated scientifically that the Earth is curved by measuring said curvature approximately during the 3rd century B.C.E.:




The Catholic Church's problem with Galileo had to do with Galileo's support of the idea of heliocentrism instead of the Church-supported idea of geocentrism:




So, to place Ted Cruz's above remarks in proper context, his remarks should be annotated:


Ted Cruz To 'Global Warming Alarmists': Galileo Was 'Branded A Denier' Too

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"Today the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-earthers," Cruz continued. "You know it used to be: 'It is accepted scientific wisdom (This is not true and never was true. Since simple experiments do not show that the Earth is even locally flat (i.e., Himalayas, Grand Canyon), Cruz's accepted 'wisdom' cannot be scientific in origin.) the Earth is flat (accepted 'wisdom' until about the 3rd century BCE when the Earth's curvature was scientifically demonstrated by Eratosthenes).' And this heretic (due to his support of heliocentrism) named Galileo was branded a denier (of geocentrism)."

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-galileo-denier-climate-change



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Ted Cruz: "You Know It Used To Be: 'It Is Accepted Scientific Wisdom The Earth Is Flat.' " (Original Post) xocet Mar 2015 OP
No, that was The Church in total control underpants Mar 2015 #1
Did the Catholic Church ever actually assert that the Earth is flat? It was known long before... xocet Mar 2015 #2
No scholars ever believed such thing, church affiliated or not eridani Mar 2015 #4
As is the wont of a religious politician, it's always best to rewrite history...GOP never fact check Sheepshank Mar 2015 #7
I found this on #tedcruzcampaignslogans Gothmog Mar 2015 #3
Nice graphic! Thanks for posting it. n/t xocet Mar 2015 #5
clearly Cruz has difficulty Sheepshank Mar 2015 #6

underpants

(182,802 posts)
1. No, that was The Church in total control
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:34 PM
Mar 2015

Scientists could say whatever they wanted as long The a Church approved. Galileo dared to actually practice science.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
2. Did the Catholic Church ever actually assert that the Earth is flat? It was known long before...
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:58 PM
Mar 2015

...Galileo's time that the Earth is not flat. After all, the Earth had been circumnavigated long before Galileo got in trouble with the Catholic Church.

The Magellan and Elcano expedition finished in 1522 - Magellan died April 1521 in the Philippines.

The Galileo Affair occurred in 1633.

That is 111 years after the aforementioned circumnavigation of the Earth - i.e., indisputable proof that the Earth is not flat.

If you have any links to any assertion by the Catholic Church that the Earth is flat, I would really appreciate seeing them - especially if they are links to original documents.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
4. No scholars ever believed such thing, church affiliated or not
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:14 AM
Mar 2015

Quite a few uneducated serfs probably did, though.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
7. As is the wont of a religious politician, it's always best to rewrite history...GOP never fact check
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:09 AM
Mar 2015
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
6. clearly Cruz has difficulty
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:08 AM
Mar 2015

distinguishing between actual scientific methods and findings, with the ancient churches suppression of science and it's proclamation of what it claims is fact.....and Cruz also denying the imperative any minor scientist (from Galieo era) had to agree with the church on pain of death, or having family lands and money confiscated for being a 'heretic'.

These are the types of re-writing history that gains a foothold on the unsuspecting idiots who take a religious politician at face value.

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