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PROSECUTOR-Deliberate Attempt To Destroy Aircraft (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 OP
Sure looks to be deliberate. :( Little Star Mar 2015 #1
I don't believe it. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #2
Why would you disbelieve it? WillowTree Mar 2015 #11
They said they heard co-pilot breathing... JaneyVee Mar 2015 #14
But they also said that the descent that took place....... WillowTree Mar 2015 #15
"The co-pilot took advantage of the pilot leaving the cockpit."/NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #3
The... 'manual lever..?" pangaia Mar 2015 #5
I suspect there are automatic and manual controls... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #6
As below, I'm a pilot. :>)) Sometimes. pangaia Mar 2015 #17
The reference is to the autopilot controls Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #13
I'm a pilot. :>)) pangaia Mar 2015 #16
This is so damned sad - and strange. n/t Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #18
... hlthe2b Mar 2015 #4
sure looks that way... Takket Mar 2015 #7
OK so flying is safe pipi_k Mar 2015 #8
Aww Geez.. BlueJazz Mar 2015 #9
Somewhat more.. sendero Mar 2015 #10
i'm sure investigators are pouring over this guy's hard drives as we speak Takket Mar 2015 #12

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
11. Why would you disbelieve it?
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:24 AM
Mar 2015

What motive would a French prosecutor have for giving the somewhat detailed description of the information that they have from the cockpit recorder if what he was saying wasn't true? He's certainly not the only.......probably not even the first.......person to have heard the recordings so I just don't see any purpose to make such public statemenst unless they were backed-up by what's on the recorder.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
14. They said they heard co-pilot breathing...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:00 AM
Mar 2015

But never responded. Perhaps he had a seizure or diabetic shock, etc. Breathing doesn't mean conscious. Reports said he was happy, loved being a pilot, no previous problems. Something doesn't add up.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
15. But they also said that the descent that took place.......
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:43 AM
Mar 2015

.......while he was alone in the cockpit couldn't have been accidental as if he had just passed out and fallen against the controls. They were saying that it involved some sort of dial that would have needed to have been turned repeatedly to accomplish that descent.

None of what they were saying sounded as if it wasn't deliberate, in some manner or another and for some reason or another.

Regardless, just totally tragic all the way around.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
3. "The co-pilot took advantage of the pilot leaving the cockpit."/NT
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:44 AM
Mar 2015

"The co-pilot used the manual lever to fly the plane into a quick descent."

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
6. I suspect there are automatic and manual controls...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:07 AM
Mar 2015

I am as much a fan of levity as the next guy or gal but...

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
17. As below, I'm a pilot. :>)) Sometimes.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:03 PM
Mar 2015

There is no such thing as the "manual lever."

The A-320 doesn't even have a control column. It has side sticks.
Auto pilot is engaged with a 'button.'





Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
13. The reference is to the autopilot controls
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:27 AM
Mar 2015

The rate of descent would have required manual override of the AP system - that was discussed early on by A320 pilots. The AP would not itself choose that rate of descent if descent were programmed.

Also the door controls were manually overridden to lock the captain out.

Takket

(21,651 posts)
7. sure looks that way...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:10 AM
Mar 2015

based on what they said last night about hearing one of the pilots trying to knock the door down to get into the cockpit, it sure sounds like it was leading up to this. I had thought maybe depressurization caused unconsciousness but if that was true the pilot beating on the door would not have been able to do so.......

it is looking like their is a pretty fatal flaw in the system of barricading the cockpit door to keep hijackers out... if one of the pilots wants to be the highjacker, you've now left no way of preventing them from crashing the plane.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
8. OK so flying is safe
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:16 AM
Mar 2015

unless you're at the mercy of someone bent on suicide and mass murder.

Horrible.

It's a true nightmare.

Takket

(21,651 posts)
12. i'm sure investigators are pouring over this guy's hard drives as we speak
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:27 AM
Mar 2015

we'll know more in a few days, hopefully.

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