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Elizabeth Warren vs Jon Huntsman. Why can't either party nominate the reasonable candidate instead of legacies like Clinton and Bush that so many people are tired of?
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Would you prefer to return to the good old days where Party bosses made the choice?
BTW - what makes an economic libertarian "reasonable"?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)They're voices were also included in that poll. The 26% number you're crowing about is made possible by GOP opinions.
The Democratic number are much higher.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)in Presidential elections!
Sorry, I dididn't get the message.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)More so than any usual crossever? LOL. Sorry, NO ONE ELSE got THAT message.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Different propaganda machines manipulate mass perception to force people to accept the pool of compromised politicians every election cycle.
The dynamic of Us vs. Them blinds the participants to the fact that the real problem is not Them or Us, but the persistent distraction of a wasteful conflict.
We are the fiddle that Nero is playing.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)to answer your question "what makes an economic libertarian "reasonable"? How about the fact that's he's not totally fucking stupid and bat shit fucking crazy like the rest of the republican party. Stand him next to mitty and cruz and he comes off like a Churchill consorting with chihuahuas.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Unless you mean people like Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Was Obama the establishment choice and Clinton was the outside rebel?
Who knew?
cali
(114,904 posts)people PARTIALLY make these choices.
Ack.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)I don't buy into the narrative that people are completely helpless and have no choice but to do whatever the ad on TV tells them. And if that's true, we have a _much_ bigger problem than money in politics.
cali
(114,904 posts)It's patently true.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)choose apathy most of the time. Really, explain to me how we don't have a choice. I research the candidates, find someone who's positions I agree with and who seems to have solid credentials, go into the voting booth to choose and...? My hand is magically forced to move towards the candidate who raised the most money, no matter what I do?
People have plenty of choice. Most people choose "I don't care enough, whoever," but that's still their choice. Feel free to share these "decades of studies" if you wish. I've seen some that show how politicians often don't do what their constituents want, but since they keep being voted in that doesn't say a whole lot. It's like not firing an employee who embezzles from you for years, and then saying you don't have any choice in the matter because they're doing something you don't want them to do. Well, yes. Most things in life don't happen just by wishing really hard, you have to actually do something.
"I've decided not to do anything to change things, yet this keeps happening" doesn't really mean you have no choice; it just means you've chosen to do nothing.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)You can talk all you want about how people have it in their power to NOT be influenced in this way, but being human beings with all of the faults inherent to that species it's never going to happen. The answer is to reduce those influences as much as possible so that people can make their choices from a more level playing field.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)bad choices." The latter is the beginning of a conversation that has the goal of fixing the situation; the former just perpetuates the learned helplessness that's the root of the problem. There are plenty of other areas where people usually make bad decisions - exercise, diet, anger control, use of free time, etc. But telling people that these things are largely out of their control isn't the solution, it only encourages inaction.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)commercials for the general election right now. Difference without a distinction.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of money, are dismissed?
And if it even looks like the People's choices are gaining traction, we see the same old smear campaigns, see Dean, Kucinich, and now the beginnings of the same against Warren eg, begin.
So WHO decided that we have 'only viable candidate' for 2016?
Certainly not the voters.
'Viable' = 'a candidate Wall St is willing to fund'.
Would Wall St fund Elizabeth Warren or someone as outspoken about the corruption on Wall St?
Please, we are not naive. I know those in power believe deeply, (I'm met some of them) that the people really don't know what is good for them and need Patriarchal figures who 'understand' these things, such as economics, to make decisions for them.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)WonderGrunion
(2,995 posts)No message
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)$>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people
or maybe
$$$$$>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I'm thinking the words "bought and paid for" might hold some relevance.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Has a 43%-16% lead over Warren in Massachusetts.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Perhaps you could organize one of those "draft" movements on convention floors that have always worked so well in the past.
WonderGrunion
(2,995 posts)Back then I went with Richardson before moving to Obama
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Wanting the person better equipped to take on and defeat the GOP.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... get the notion that choices ever should be this clear as adults?
olddots
(10,237 posts)kings and queens but always bad guys to make us feel better with ourselves .
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)WonderGrunion
(2,995 posts)He was the least bat-shit insane candidate on the other side. seemed like the best option for a Repuke 'sensible' candidate.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)why should she be the anointed one?
WonderGrunion
(2,995 posts)I just don't want to buy into the 'Hillary is inevitable' meme.