Seattle Times Poll on TPP: (currently) 89% OPPOSE! (3% favor, 5% want more info)

[Faryn Balyncd]

Here's the link to the Seattle Times poll on the TPP following the Wikileaks revelation on the investor-state dispute resolution tribunal:


Vote: Thumbs up or down for the Trans-Pacific Partnership
After a secret chapter was leaked from the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership. Has it changed your opinion of the deal?


http://www.seattletimes.com/business/international-trade/vote-the-trans-pacific-partnership/




Currently the total show 89% opposed, (5% want more information, 3% favor, 2% favor but have concerns.)

[brooklynite]

1. A web poll is meaningless...

[Faryn Balyncd]

3. Fortunately, rage is building as the details leak out.

Sometimes public rage is what is needed.

[brooklynite]

14. My point is that a web poll is meaningless...

....in term of gauging actual opinion. Getting excited because you're "winning" is probably counterproductive if you want to stop TPP, because it's reflective of only the small sample of self-selecting readers in a progressive enclave. I suspect the average person in the US knows very little about TPP and has no opinion about it whatsoever, so if you want to scuttle the deal, you'd better hold onto the mindset that you have your work cut out for you.

[itsrobert]

2. An online poll and $1.00

Will get you a can of dog food canned in china (includes pieces of plastics at no extra charge). Not much more.

[840high]

4. Thanks. Oppose.

[OnyxCollie]

5. Gosh, people don't like the TPP.

Best to only speak of it in quiet rooms, or on your own personal server.

[Faryn Balyncd]

6. A little daylight can do wonders, can't it?

[pa28]

8. Like NAFTA and the Iraq war the Washington consensus says we must have it.

Yet when disaster ensues they say "nobody could have predicted".

[Hoyt]

9. I think it's time for Obama to explain his position in detail. I doubt most will listen, but

at this point it's stupid not to lay out the reasons he thinks it is good for us. If there are good reasons, people should hear them at this point.

Trade is extremely complicated, even more so when trade agreements are part of attempting to improve relations with other countries and solidify relations long-term.

[eridani]

12. Please cut the bullshit about "trade"

Only 5 of 29 articles deal with tariffs and actual trade related issues. The rest of it is about "investors' righta" Well, fuck investors. If they make less than they wanted to make, tough shit.

[Hoyt]

17. That's part of trade. Everyone of the 12 countries are begging for investment in

their country.. That's why they are attempting to draft a good agreement for everyone..

Are you against foreign countries coming here, you have any idea how many people are employed by foreign companies that have INVESTED here? . I'm sure Vietnamese would like better jobs too?

There are sections on workers' right, environmental issues, etc. I guess you consider that Bull Crud too?

[eridani]

21. I am unequivocally against giving investors rights that governments don't have

They'll keep investing if they think they can make money--fuck 'em if they want to sue to get even more money. (McDonalds stays in Denmark even though they have to pay their workers $21/hr, right?) In all other trade agreements, the environment and workers' rights provision have been a joke.

[Hoyt]

23. McDonalds would have a suit in Denmark if the government said they had to pay twice what

similar fast food restaurants pay, under trade agreements similar to TPP. That doesn't bother me.

BTW- Denmark is pretty much my idea of Eldorado.

[eridani]

27. My point was that even if investors can't maximize their profits by suing governments

--if there is still a profit opportunity for investing they'll do it.

[Enthusiast]

16. The American people are all too well versed in the damage done by previous trade deals.

We do not want another trade deal of any kind. Period. We could care less about solidifying long-term relations with other countries. Especially when these relations would result in the suffering of indigenous populations at their and our expense.

We have cut through the bullshit. Too many lies for too long.

[Hoyt]

18. I don't think America will do well in future thumbing their nose at foreign countries.

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[Enthusiast]

20. You joke? All we do is foreign entanglements.

We should change the name of The United States of America to We Got our Nose all up in Your Business in Hundreds of Nations All Over the Earth..

[Hoyt]

22. Well we have used up more than our share of the world's resources and wealth.

I think it's time we stop acting like the 1%ers from a poor Mexican or Vietnamese's viewpoint.. It'll be good for everyone, especially if we make those who profit here pay decent wages and taxes to for education, healthcare, job training or guaranteed income for those whose skills are no longer in demand, etc.

[Scuba]

10. Fox News Blonde: "89% of the commie liberals in Seattle oppose the TPP 'cause they want free stuff."

Sure is refreshing when Fox is endorsing our President's policy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. The people? The people?? Until they cough up some real dough they ain't got nothin'.

Willie Sutton said he robbed banks "because that's where the money is". He probably got that info from politicians.

[woo me with science]

13. Sunlight does wonders.

This is exactly why the fascist cockroaches want this monstrosity under wraps until implemented.

[rhett o rick]

15. Some decrying the poll as meaningless do so because it they obviously don't like the results.

I think this poll in meaningful. The Seattle Times is a conservative paper and I am surprised they would post anything about the TPP let alone a poll with such results. Those that will tell you that we aren't seeing a Populist Movement beginning, have their heads in the sand.

[librechik]

19. too bad our leaders don't care what the people think

and don't feel obliged to pay any attention. Even when we get millions on the streets. They work for the donors.

What next?

[aspirant]

24. If the TPP and TTIP

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will make all the people of the planet middle class citizens, surely we can halt all USA FOREIGN AID.

Rigged trade is the answer, they say, not cash giveaways to other nations. We can divert these giveaways to USA indebted students and raise their standards to the middle class too.

[liberal_at_heart]

25. I love Seattle!

[Jackpine Radical]

26. Sun Eve 8:16 pm:

Oppose 90.61% (598 votes)
I need more information 5% (33 votes)
Favor 2.58% (17 votes)
Favor but have concerns 1.81% (12 votes)
Total Votes: 660